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In this topic, I'd like to see how much we can learn about Bible timeline as it relates to Jewish history and what we know about Egypt, Assyria, and Babylon. But let's see how far we can get using only references from the Bible and from archaeology. And only from NON-ASTRONOMY-RELATED archaeology. Therefore, there will be no BCE dates argued or discussed. We already have other topics for that. Also, I'll try to keep myself more organized, and keep the topic more organized. To that end, here are the proposed guidelines: Unrelated comments get moved to a subtopic (to be created and linked). Comments are to be strictly on the topic of Bible-related timelin…
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Went to a wedding and 70% of all those in attendance left about 40 minutes after the ceremony 1 2 3
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I'm a 21 yo PIMO on the West coast. My family and I attended a wedding this past Saturday and I was completely disgusted by my family's and congregation's behavior. The couple that got married are both studies, so they didn't get married at the Kingdom Hall. However they requested an elder to give the wedding ceremony talk (and I call it a talk because it was 95% scriptures and 5% about the couple) and they invited mostly JWs aside from their families. Everything was going pretty well, until about 40 min after the ceremony. I just finished eating when my dad whispered to my brother and I that we had to leave because there was a DF'd woman that was invited. I sin…
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What is the biblical basis for the existence of the status called "unbaptized publisher"? This is how it is explained in the JW cartoon. Of course, some elements in this interpretation are outdated doctrine that is no longer valid. If we exclude the "small unimportant detail" that "hours no longer count", the question still remains: Did Jesus become an "unbaptized preacher at the age of 12"? And if so, how? Key words in this video are: license, approved, elders, desire to be JW = unbaptized publisher. Are those words in Bible, too? pk_E_048_r720P.mp4
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Jehovah's Witnesses lose court battle over disclosing records on 2 ex-members - British Columbia 1 2
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-jehovahs-witness-privacy-battle-1.7079252 The B.C. Supreme Court has ruled against two congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses that tried to argue their religious freedoms were infringed when the information and privacy commissioner ordered them to turn over records containing personal information about two former members. On Monday, Justice Steven Wilson upheld an order requiring the Coldstream and Grand Forks congregations to disclose records concerning the ex-members' breaks with the church to the Office of the Information and Privacy Commissioner (OIPC). The Jehovah's Witnesses had argued that the s…
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Imagine a time when people no longer treat one another like animals. I know, it’s hard to fathom. After all, religion herself is the cause for many wars, causing strife and hatred that permeates mankind, but not for much longer. These manifestations will soon reveal themselves all over the world and is also known as the revealing of the Son of Man. This phase is the third and final phase known as the revelation phase of the Presence of Christ. One would think that all of mankind would welcome such a wonderful environment but the majority of earth’s inhabitants will actually reject and fight against this revelation tooth and nail, for mankind’s inhabitants as a whole …
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ACTUAL evidence Nebuchadnezzar's 18th is 587 BCE. TEN TIMES BETTER evidence than for Cyrus in 539? 1 2 3 4
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There is NO Bible evidence for 539 BCE. There is NO Bible evidence for 587 BCE. There is NO Bible evidence for 607 BCE. I think most of us understand that by now. So, I propose this new thread/topic where we shift the focus almost exclusively to the basic, fundamental question about the strength of the secular evidence in the Neo-Babylonian period. Why do we rely on it? Why does the WTS rely on secular Babylonian astronomer's evidence for Cyrus in 539? Why does the WTS reject the same evidence for Nebuchadnezzar's 18th year? Is the evidence for Nebuchadnezzar's years actually 10 times better than for Cyrus? When that question is solved, it also resolves the ent…
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So, GB and their supporters/Helpers take care that even the smallest donation of a poor sister or brother is not taxed by the state. Truly, wonderful JWs brothers/elders who care for the needs of the flock. If soft and persistent language does not help in persuading government officials to get a lower tax or a complete tax exemption, then GB advises the last measure, which is to ... sue them, all of them. lol
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Maybe It’s Not Cold On the Moon? ~ ? We have been there though? - Fly me to the moon? - ??? - I like the Song too! ?
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"[Jonah] kept proclaiming and saying: “Only forty days more, and Nineveh will be overthrown.”—Jonah 3:4. ????? Is it reasonable to believe that the Ninevites would repent in sackcloth at the warning of Jonah? ????? Commissioned a second time to go to Nineveh, he undertook the long journey there. “Finally Jonah started to enter into the city the walking distance of one day, and he kept proclaiming and saying: ‘Only forty days more, and Nineveh will be overthrown.’” (Jon 3:1-4) Whether Jonah knew Assyrian or was miraculously endowed with ability to speak that language is not revealed in the Bible. He may even have spoken Hebrew, his proclamation la…
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@JW Insider @Many Miles JW insider, I’ll write something up shortly, but feel free to change the title to narrow down the discussion or if @Many Miles wants to lay the issues out. I don’t want to impose, or give the wrong impression to whoever wants to participate.
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What is our scriptural basis for refusing transfusion of products rendered from blood? 1 2 3 4 25
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What is our scriptural basis for refusing transfusion of products rendered from blood? Our organization’s policy regarding blood is to disassociate (effectively: disfellowship) fellow JWs for accepting transfusion of whole blood, or any of the products known as red cells, white cells, platelets or plasma. On the other hand, we are not to disassociate/disfellowship fellow JWs for accepting any other products rendered from blood, such as hemoglobin, albumin, cryoprecipitate or cryosupernatant plasma. ONE ASPECT OF THE POSITION We have these two items of response and discussion: Item 1: When asked by an elder why we would disfellowship/disassociate a J…
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JWs insist, for a very long time, on being treated as "clergy" before the courts. Or in a some wider context known only to WTJWorg' "creators of future". Reference has already been made in previous CSA cases to the Catholic clergy, and their (JWs) status as a clergy inside JWs Congregations. "Catholic type of confession" is in a form in which one priest and one person who "confesses his sin" have a special relationship. Of course, this is nothing like the JWs elders who examine the "sinner" in a three-member commission ( Judicial Committee) and determine the "guilt or innocence" of the sinner. As far as can be seen, the purpose of the "Catholic confession"…
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(Quora question) Besides being a significant source for literacy in lands where it is poor, they are well known for disaster relief, prompting taking care of their own, in catastrophic times. They thus provide a good example for other groups to follow, for there is no reason that anyone cannot do as they do. In recent years, some critics have attempted to spin this exercise of brotherly love as a lack of concern for anyone else. They do this even though they themselves would—say, in the event of an earthquake—check on family members first, never dreaming that anyone would frame that as indifference to the suffering of ot…
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The Watchtower's 20-year adjustment to the standard Neo-Babylonian chronology 1 2 3 4 11
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If anyone wishes to participate, I'd like to have a more serious discussion about the 20-year adjustment to the standard Neo-Babylonian chronology. There may be several posts already made by @George88 and @scholar JW that are more related to this topic than @xero's topic about the Fall of Nineveh where several of them were, before being moved here. If anyone wants to participate they are welcome of course, and if anyone wants to continue some of the related and unrelated topics back on xero's thread, that's fine too. Unrelated topics here can even be moved over there if that seems OK.
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Lots of threads on chronolgy here. Why should I weigh in? All it would do is rain on someone’s parade. If it is of an interest I don’t give two hoots about—well, there are plenty of things interesting to me that others don’t give two hoots about. ‘Let it be. Let it be. Whisper words of wisdom. Let it be.’ But, what about those words of wisdom, Tommy? What are they? How come you don’t care about what everyone else here does? How come whenever the topic comes up, you join Pudgy in picking off fleas off yourself? Because it seems analogous to someone finding a document in the engine room of the Titanic to the effect that the ship is not going down in the next 20 mi…
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Q: How much credit do PIMO Jehovah’s Witnesses owe to Zoom for freeing them from attending boring meetings at the Kingdom Hall? Probably quite a bit, though simply fading would accomplish the same goal, minus the certain element of hypocrisy. Fading works fine for those who wish to leave. As long as one doesn’t go publicly reviling, robbing banks, or killing people, one is fine. A consistent blackened screen without any participation always suggests to me PIMO as a possibility, save for obvious cases of infirmity, distance, hardship, etc. Nor is anyone fooled in the long run. Witnesses bond so readily with their fellow believers, even from around the world, beca…
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JWTV video with Stephen Lett, May 2015 https://www.jw.org/en/library/videos/#en/mediaitems/StudioTalks/pub-jwban_201505_1_VIDEO
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This story is about a fairly unknown R&D engineer at a Japanese company. So naturally, I'll start off by somehow making this about myself. Just kidding. I'll make it about my father. Just kidding . . .well, almost. From 1964 to 1984 my father ran a couple of electronics labs for the University of Missouri. This was great fun for him and even more fun for me and my brother. The world was transferring from tubes to transistors, and my father invented a "semiconductor curve tracer" onto a simple oscilloscope screen that made testing transistors as easy or even easier than the old ways of testing vacuum tubes. The University got a patent for it. And from …
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Father Guido Sarducci on SNL had a skit called "Find the Pope in the Pizza." A woman sold her actual slice of pizza with an apparent image scorched onto the back for $28,000 on eBay. There have been similar occurrences with Jesus' face on a slice of toast, for example. https://birdinflight.com/en/world/20160525-litso-boga.html Well I had my own very similar experience today, when I sliced a pear in half.
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Serving [tacos] where the need is greater. My parents moved our family of 5 from California to Missouri to "serve where the need was greater" in 1964. The first things we missed were the leeks and onions and garlic of Egypt (Num 11:4-6). I mean, of course, the tacos of California. Rather than risk turning into a pillar of sodium chloride by longing for the past, we did just fine with Missouri cuisine. And driving back to California once a year over the summer. Even though in a fairly large University of Missouri township, no local stores within 100 miles sold tortillas in 1964. By 1966, my father went to the town Kroger's and guaranteed the purchase of 2 dozen packs …
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In the "basement video" you will notice how the doctrine regarding the "Great Tribulation" is Outdated. Kevin, from the drama, left the JWs just few minutes before GT, but that doesn't mean he won't "survive" Armageddon. That's what they "promised" now in "new clarification", at least.
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PM Harold Wilson, UK and JWs. Anyone know if this headline was to be taken literally? Satire?
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I am not trying to sell an item on eBay. This item has been listed up there for quite some time, and the seller is in the UK. I was only wondering if anyone knew why the reference to JWs was on the cover. Did he actually say something like what's on the cover? https://www.ebay.com/itm/155110296118 The description. says: The front cover features Harold Wilson - Wislon Joins Jehovah’s Witnesses. Wilson is saying: “I cannot be a Christian and Prime Minister". Note that they spelled Jehovah's Witnesses correctly, but not Wilson. The Awake! mentions him a couple of times: *** g74 8/8 p. 30 Watching the World *** Church and State ◆ The …
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I've seen this rumor all over xjw sites, they are making a huge deal about it, but if it is true that Morris is not a gb anymore, then my guess is that he is retiring. I don't buy into all the fluff that he was disfellowshipped or asked to step down due to a drinking problem, etc. Again my thought is he just wants to retire, and that's all. If he is leaving due to health issue's, I hope his health is ok but if not I pray he gets the care he needs. But either way he will be replaced, angry opposers were hoping this would be the starting of the end of the gb, but that wont happen.
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In WTJorg, some say one thing, and some say something completely different. So who should be trusted? "Food at the proper time" that confuses, if you can see the difference. But GJ testimony is not on the "spiritual table", because there are reasons for it. GB in 2015: GB in 2023: 9. What quality is needed to understand Bible prophecy? Explain. 9 Be humble. Jehovah promises to help the humble. (Jas. 4:6) So we need to pray for His help to understand Bible prophecy. We must also acknowledge that we need the help of the channel he is using to give us our spiritual food at the proper time. (Luke 12:42) Jehovah is a God of order, so…
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Tell me, please, how can imperfect people be perfectly frank in their statements about own mistakes? Doesn't imperfection imply the constant possibility of error, by the own admission of these church leaders? How, then, can the alleged sincerity in statements be spared from mistakes? Is there really such sincerity among religious leaders that does not hide a touch of falsehood?
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7 Children are not fully developed in their ability to think, to reason, or to recognize and avoid danger. (1 Cor. 13:11) https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2019400 However, contrary to statement above they should be baptized as soon as possible as we can see from article bellow, said by WTJWorg. Should My Child Put Off Baptism? Occasionally, even when children qualify for baptism, their parents may decide that it should be postponed. What may be their reasons? I fear that if my child gets baptized, he might later fall into serious sin and get disfellowshipped. Is it reasonable to believe that a young person who puts off bap…
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is it ok for sisters to walk with the microphone
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