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Yep. That's a big part of the point I was hoping to make.
J A Brown was likely a strong influence directly or indirectly on William Miller who accepted the 1844 date. Miller was very influential on Nelson Barbour who had been a Second Adventist follower of Miller, and Barbour was the one who added 1873 and 1914 to Miller's mix, similar to how J A Brown had previously added 1873 and 1917. And Barbour was obviously very influential on C T Russell who admits that he learned his chronology from Barbour. And of course, Rutherford and Franz learned it from Russell. 
J A Brown is therefore clearly a part of our own JW history. Which reminds me:
George Santayana: “Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Karl Marx: "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, then as farce." (Romans 15:3, 4) . . .“The reproaches of those reproaching you have fallen upon me.” 4 For all the things that were written beforehand were written for our instruction,. . .

No. It's just that some people might still be confused about what J A Brown said. He never said that the Gentile Times would end in 1914 or 1917. It looks like you are confusing what Brown said about the "4 Tyrannies" (2,520 years) running for "7 times" starting with the first year of Nebuchadnezzar until 1917. You were probably led to believe that Brown considered those 7 times to be the Gentile Times. Of course, these could NOT be the Gentile Times, according to Brown, because for him, the Gentile Times were only 3.5 times (a time, 2 times, and a half a time), not 7 times.
Brown said that the Gentile Times started in AD 622 and would end in AD 1844. Brown said that the Gentile Times would be 1,260 years long: Brown said that AD 1844 would be the end of several different prophetic periods. The 1260 lunar years of Mohammedan (Muslim) Impostuture (from AD 622) The 1260 solar years of Papal claims to infallibility (from AD 584) The 2300 solar years of Jewish Polity & cleansing of the Sanctuary (from BC 457) The thought is repeated several times by Brown.

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Just read several pages of his book. You'll see that this has nothing to do with theory. It's all pretty straightforward and he repeats a lot of the same things over and over again.
 

I wonder what you thought John Brown was right about, then, when you said "that doesn't mean he was wrong about 1914."
For the record John A Brown (in 1823) said that:
The end of the Gentile Times was going to be just a few years off, in the year AD 1844. The beginning of the Gentile Times was the start of Mohammedism (Muslims) in AD 622. The Gentile Times were 3 and 1/2 times in length, using the length Revelation 11:2 assigns to them. Multiple times he clarifies that the length of the Gentile Times in Luke21:24 = 1,260 (day/yrs) The reason this looks like only 1,222 [solar] years is because he uses "Mohammedan" lunar years So there is really nothing about John A Brown thinking there are "seven" Gentile Times. (Of course, the ONLY length of time that the Bible ever associates with the Gentile Times of Luke 21:24 is 1,260 days, so Brown uses that period in years.)
The completely separate 2,520 year period which he derives from Daniel 4 is a period he sets to the start of Nebuchadnezzar's first year of reign in 604 BCE. That would be the year to start the "head of gold" from the image found in Daniel 2  So to Brown it's unrelated to Jewish or Messianic rulership, or the destruction of the Temple about 18 or 19 years later (which Brown would have therefore associated with 587 or 586 BCE.)
And Brown never indicates that the Gentile Times would end in 1914 or 1917 or any time around World War I. He ends the Gentile Times in 1844. He ends Daniel's 1,290 day period in 1873. And he ends Daniel's 1,335 day period in 1917. Because all the periods started with the beginning of the Muslim Mohammedan religion in AD 622.
C.T.Russell and many other commentators had focused on the Papal and secular politics of the Holy Roman Empire, using only Solar years, and therefore had started the 1,260 "days" earlier and ended them in 1799. That made the 1,290 "days" end in 1829 and the 1,335 "days" end in 1874. J A Brown appears to be the first commentator to end the 2,300 days in 1844, which Adventists also accepted, both using solar years and starting around Ezra's time in 457 BC.

@Pudgy With respect to the so-called "overlapping generations," John A Brown had "solved" this (in 1823) by saying that Jesus was referring to the literal, physical "Nation of Israel." Curiously, his arguments also count on the fact that the natural nation of Israel would NEVER pass away, but would be restored at Armageddon in 1844, and would become a world empire, surviving the attack of Gog and Magog in 1873, and would reach its full and glorious realization in the entire world by the time of the second judgment in 1917. Some of this is similar to C.T.Russell's view in the Watchtower, and even Rutherford's view up until at least 1925, that the nation of Israel would gradually become the only surviving nation in the world, ruling from Jerusalem in Palestine.
A lot of Witnesses are not aware that C.T.Russell was a "world famous" Zionist according to some current Zionist historians. But Rutherford's last major support for Zionism was the book "Comfort for the Jews" in 1925, containing teachings that Rutherford dropped completely by 1930 (in the books, Light I and Light II).

Sorry if that was misunderstood. When I said "that's funny" I was thinking about the fact that TTH was trying to get this Lincoln/Grant discussion away from JW Only forums and finally put in a general non-JW forum. On this "third" attempt to remove it from JW references, TTH mentioned John Brown, and I wondered if someone might confuse this John Brown with John Aquila Brown. I was afraid someone would say: "Wasn't John Brown the man who wrote about the Gentle Times?"
For anyone who isn't aware of how this ties to JW beliefs, John A. Brown is mentioned in the JW "history" book, that we often just call "Proclaimers," quoted below:
*** jv chap. 10 p. 134 Growing in Accurate Knowledge of the Truth ***
As early as 1823, John A. Brown, whose work was published in London, England, calculated the “seven times” of Daniel chapter 4 to be 2,520 years in length. ... He did, however, connect these “seven times” with the Gentile Times of Luke 21:24.
That brief and only mention of him in our publications has confused some into thinking that John A. Brown mentioned 1914. He never did. Based on the above "Proclaimers" quote, some Witnesses have also thought that at least "he did, however, connect these 'seven times' with the Gentile Times of Luke 21:24." He never did that either.
So far, the WTS has not corrected the misinformation.
To see what John A. Brown actually said, one can find the primary book about the topic here:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/BakZr75kBvYC?hl=en&gbpv=1
That's volume 1 of Even-Tide, above. Volume 2 is on Google Books, too, but it goes on to other topics:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/FokAQDtWwQgC?hl=en&gbpv=1
He also wrote this book:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Jew_the_Master_key_of_the_Apocalypse/NKPhpB9uKEUC
If anyone wishes to discuss his books, I can join. I've read two of them, and that discussion will be moved to a JW-related forum.

That is why we now have this crazy philosophy driving the "great reset".  Driven by ideology of the World economic Forum. They are now burning old books and independent thought is no longer allowed.  The "critical " part of critical theory is gone amok.

https://voiceforscienceandsolidarity.substack.com/p/it-is-5-past-12?r=1iysu3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
 
Dear Friends,
I just listened to this 45-min desperate plea by highly-esteemed vaccinologist/immunologist Geert Vanden Bossche. His reports are typically so medically/scientifically esoteric that I cannot understand them. (Transcript included, if you prefer).
He writes for educated professionals in those fields. Since he is unaware that “the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one”, he cannot fathom WHY the medical world is remaining silent in the face of the humanitarian crisis that is the inevitable result of the current vaccine response to the SARS Covid-19 pandemic!! He explains that the unvaccinated are the vacuum cleaners of the pandemic (previous article) and the vaccine-response is an insult to science and exacerbating the pandemic and the infectiousness of the virus!!! He finds a further/escalated humanitarian health crisis to be inevitable. He states he can no longer send out diatribes/reports about this, because the situation is simply too stressful for him!
I plan to give him a witness today. Just bait with a small witness, then I will wait…see if he takes the bait, then I will provide more…
Since we are a geographically far-flung group, and come from all sorts of backgrounds, if some or even one of you,  would take pity on this man in his distress, and share the good news, in addition to my feeble attempt, we will have done a good deed and served our Master obediently.
 
I have lived & worked as a resort architect in 3 countries (US, Czech Republic, England) and recently have been working as a financial professional, licensed in Annuities & Mutual Funds. Nothing scientific/medical here. Some of you have a more scientific bent and perhaps would be more effective. However, we know that Jehovah & King Jesus can use any donkey to deliver the ‘gold’. 
Please consider perusing this article.
Note the desperation/distress of this scientist/vaccinologist. See if you feel compelled to give him a witness. 
Your fellow worker, 😉

(Daniel 11:43) . . .And he will rule over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libʹy·ans and the E·thi·oʹpi·ans will be at his steps.
I guess this assessment is a bit controversial...

Please, do it you for me!

(Daniel 11:43) . . .And he will rule over the hidden treasures of gold and silver and over all the desirable things of Egypt. And the Libʹy·ans and the E·thi·oʹpi·ans will be at his steps.
I guess this assessment is a bit controversial...

I don't think that was the only reason. Several countries in Europe would not be ready to stand by the US-sponsored sanctions against Russia (because they don't want their citizens to be faced with cold this winter). They were still compromising on the economic sanctions, but would have no more reason to compromise if the pipelines were sabotaged.
The US/NATO war against Russia which is being accomplished by using the Ukrainian people as cannon fodder is a war where Russia has tried to negotiate a peaceful solution for years. Since 2014, Ukraine has bombed and tortured its own Russian-speaking citizens in the Donbas regions, killing at least 14,000 of them just in the last 8 years. In fact, when Russia pulls out of a region, Ukraine uses it as an excuse to continue bombing their own Russian-speaking populations there even during this war. Russia has been trying to support the Russian-allied Donbas regions going all the way back to the Minsk agreements. Even during this war, Russia has offered to negotiate and the West has interfered with these negotiations. Boris Johnson even openly intervened at a point when it seemed Ukraine was ready for peace. Remember that the BILLIONS of dollars in military aid, is not free from the US military contractors. They still get paid through US citizen's tax dollars and payments approved from Ukraine's puppet government, that the US set up there.
So the basic idea that makes even more immediate sense is that Germany and others now have no choice but to support the US war against Russia via Ukraine.

Haven't seen much evidence for the validity of the second part of that question. The idea that the US would push for a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine has been public even for many years prior to the US coup that replaced the president in 2014. Even Biden stated many years prior that the way to get Russia involved would be to push for more NATO countries, including Ukraine, along the Russian border.
Also, Rice was not the only person to admit that Europe needs to be forced into a greater dependence on US energy. It's a well-known, and sometimes openly admitted goal of US war in the Middle-East to gain control over the energy resources. Trump admitted it openly at least once. The very reason that the US continues to occupy about a third of Syria has been to continue stealing control of its oil. The commission that looked into whether Assad (Syria) actually "gassed his own people" had actually already debunked it, although the debunking was from the same people who would later change their story. Libya was building up better relations with the US, when Gaddafi started pushing for national control of the oil resources, and cooperation among African nations. It is not really a secret that this is why Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and others decided to murder him (and laughed about it).

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ALLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN!

Sure. It's a bad habit from past employment, but I think a lot about what people can do with statistics. You know: "lies, d#$%n lies and statistics." You can make people believe in things that are true, only half-true, or completely false. Here are my own numbers below. I had never looked at mine before, and it reminded me that the 11 downvotes I gave out were part of a joke that I was playing with someone else here.
But I can also state, with some sense of real accomplishment, that nearly 580 of the 618 downvotes I received, all came from the very same person, even though they came from about 27 of that same person's various accounts.

 

Yet you continue to enter a JW forum and declare Jehovah is not God's name "repeatedly".......
Adios.... go find some other waters to play in and hurl insults.
 

This is an interesting point. The information that @Patiently waiting for Truth included is true, and it does not confirm the 1970 Watchtower article. That article was wrong, and the Watchtower kept that wrong view from about 1950 to about 1980. Without admitting that this old view was wrong, the Watchtower has more recently (1984) made a correction to it, which I have included at the end of the post.
The 1970 Watchtower article that Chioke Lin quoted earlier says:
*** w70 6/1 p. 343 A New Bible Translation—Does It Honor God? ***
But French scribes did not invent the name “Jehovah.” It was in use centuries before, Raymond Martin’s Pugio Fidei using it in the form “Jehova” in the year 1270.
Here's the same wrong information repeated in 1980:
*** w80 2/1 p. 11 The Divine Name in Later Times ***
Interestingly, Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican order, first rendered the divine name as “Jehova.” This form appeared in his book Pugeo Fidei, published in 1270 C.E.—over 700 years ago.
This incorrect information had been presented in further detail back in 1950. Many of the extra details are correct:
*** w50 12/1 pp. 472-474 An Open Letter to the Catholic Monsignor ***
Your quotation from the Catholic Biblical Encyclopedia says Jehovah was the incorrect pronunciation given to the Hebrew tetragrammaton JHVH in the 14th century by Porchetus de Salvaticis (1303). But let us say: The origin of the word Jehovah used to be attributed to Petrus Galatinus, a Franciscan friar, the confessor of Pope Leo X, in his De Arcanis Catholicae Veritatis, published in 1518. But the latest scholarship has proved he was not the one to introduce the pronunciation Jehovah, and neither was your aforementioned Porchetus de Salvaticis. As shown by Joseph Voisin, the learned editor of the Pugio Fidei (The Poniard of Faith) by Raymundus Martini, Jehovah had been used long before Galatinus. Even a generation before Porchetus de Salvaticis wrote his Victoria contra Judaeos (1303), the Spanish Dominican friar Raymundus Martini wrote his Pugio, about 1278, and used the name Jehovah. In fact, Porchetus took the contents of his Victoria largely from Martini’s Pugio. And Scaliger proves that Galatinus took his De Arcanis bodily from Martini’s Pugio. Galatinus did not introduce the pronunciation Jehovah, but merely defended it against those who pronounced the Hebrew tetragrammaton Jova.
In 1557 Jehovah became established in John Forster’s New Hebrew Dictionary, and Marcus Marinus admitted Jehova in his Lexicon Arca Noae of 1593. Sebastian Muenster uses the name Jehova in his text of his Latin translation of the Hebrew Scriptures (1534), and in his notes on Exodus 3:15 and 6:3 he uses the name as though it were well known. Also in 1557, in bringing out Pagninus’ Latin version of the Hebrew Scriptures, Robert Stephanus used Jehova uniformly for the Hebrew tetragrammaton. In a note on Psalm 2:1 he remarked that substituting Adonai for it was to be rejected as a Jewish superstition.
Cardinal Thomas de Vio Cajetanus in his Commentary on the Pentateuch, of 1531, regularly used Jehova. In his translation of Genesis 2:4 he has “Jehova Elohim”; and in his note on Exodus 6:3 he says: “Jehovah the God of your fathers appeared to me (Iehova Elohe patrum vestrorum visus est mihi).” To be consistent, you should call that “shallow scholarship” on the part of your cardinal, what?
But that such “shallow scholarship” is not limited to Roman Catholic clergy of the 13th to the 16th centuries, ...
The pronunciation Jahweh, usually credited to John L. Ewald of the 18th century, goes back farther, to the 16th century. Ten years before Ewald was born (1747), Jahveh was found in Eichhorn’s Simonis, the Lexicon in most general use in Germany. F. H. Gesenius adopted the pronunciation Jahveh when Ewald was still defending Jehovah.
A correction to this misinformation was made in 1984, in our publication "The Divine Name That Will Endure Forever." (Appropriately released at the time of the 1984 Reference Edition of the NWT.) In this publication, it was tacitly admitted that the monk, Raymundus Martini, had never used any form like "Jehovah" or "Iehovah" or "Jehova" or "Yehova." These forms were not generally evidenced until the 16th century, literally several centuries later.
*** na pp. 17-18 God’s Name and Bible Translators ***
In time, God’s name came back into use. In 1278 it appeared in Latin in the work Pugio fidei (Dagger of Faith), by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk. Raymundus Martini used the spelling Yohoua. Soon after, in 1303, Porchetus de Salvaticis completed a work entitled Victoria Porcheti adversus impios Hebraeos (Porchetus’ Victory Against the Ungodly Hebrews). In this he, too, mentioned God’s name, spelling it variously Iohouah, Iohoua and Ihouah.  Then, in 1518, Petrus Galatinus published a work entitled De arcanis catholicae veritatis (Concerning Secrets of the Universal Truth) in which he spells God’s name Iehoua.
The name first appeared in an English Bible in 1530, when William Tyndale published a translation of the first five books of the Bible.
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*** na p. 17 God’s Name and Bible Translators ***
In time, God’s name came back into use. In 1278 it appeared in Latin in the work Pugio fidei (Dagger of Faith), by Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk. Raymundus Martini used the spelling Yohoua.
*** na p. 18 God’s Name and Bible Translators ***
[Picture on page 18]
God’s name in the form Yohoua appeared in 1278 in the work Pugio fidei as seen in this manuscript (dated to the 13th or 14th century) from the Ste. Geneviève library, Paris, France (folio 162b)
*** na p. 17 God’s Name and Bible Translators ***
Printings of this work dated some centuries later, however, have the divine name spelled Jehova.

At first I thought you might be being somewhat judgemental on the overseer George Benson....and stayed quiet.... however when you wrote the above it got me to thinking....
Wasn't there an official video not long ago telling young people to put down their violin (musical instruments) in favor of studying and field service?
That would be an obvious stumbling block to millions of JW's worldwide which would be a very strong argument for him to choose NOT to use his talent publicly despite having a natural right to do so.
Interesting conundrum here.
ok... I've said enough.... I'm sure Brother George Benson would be an interesting elder to talk to and get his views on things given his experience in life.

Interesting that it dates close to the 1st century ....
 

More interesting information: 
 

Historian David Kertzer, author of “The Pope At War: The Secret History of Pope Pius XII, Mussolini, and Hitler,” joins Amna Nawaz to discuss.
Hitler had a secret "back channel" setup with the Pope.
10/16/1943 - They (Nazis) tried to arrest all of Rome's Jews ... and held them just outside the walls of the Vatican for 2 days... ends up 1,007 Jews were sent to their deaths in Auschwitz without protest to Hitler.
 

The Bible describes burning sulfur and fire raining down from the sky which permanently destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 19:24).
Is there any evidence still left in the geological record that matches the Bible’s description of what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah?

In 1913, Raymond Weill was the first Jewish archaeologist to excavate the most ancient part of Jerusalem. What was he looking for? King David's Tomb. How did he know where to look for the tomb? He used the Bible!

The Genesis account of the creation of the Earth is not taken from a viewpoint in outer space, the entire account is taken from the viewpoint of a person standing on the ground looking at events.
 
What he sees from the ground is what is recorded.

Go to Genesis again and re-read it keeping that idea in perspective firmly in mind, and it makes a lot more sense with what we know happened from solid evidence.