Gnosis Pithos

Y'know.....I think thar may be a prophecy in thar ....................somewhar......????
John 11:51:"though, he did not say of his own originality; ....................................... he prophesied"!!!

 
Beth Sarim? That's why.
 
Hey it worked once, lets try that again but this time make it big enough for all of us. 
 

It's not confusing to me! It's either one or the other. And both of them are BAD!
Checkmate!

I'll take that as a No in answer to the question "do you have an income and expenditure breakdown?".
The report link provided presents a confusing "dissertation" suggesting that the Watchtower organisation receives vastly greater returns of finance than it's expansion programs are estimated to require, that deception is used on the part of it's leaders to extort money from it's members, at the same time as they are supposed to be "not receiving as much money as they are spending".
If this is the basis for what is considered to be "serious discussion", then forgive me if I sit this one out for a while until something of substance is presented.

As we all know, the watchtower refuses to let any one see any of that info., but one of the governing body did say their not bringing in as much money as they are expected to spend.
http://jwsurvey.org/cedars-blog/stephen-lett-admits-incomeexpenditure-shortfall-as-he-reminds-witnesses-to-donate-valuable-things

So in other words.....youre closed to any information that has been shown to you in the past and whats more...you are not open to view any information objectively that has or will be shown to you in the future? - Got it. 
"I'll have a serious discussion with anyone who is able and willing. But I haven't seen anything resembling such so far under this thread. Only the same old hoary chestnuts thrashed out ad nauseum elsewhere."- Gone Fishing.
 

Wow! You have a pretty low standard of what constitutes high luxury!
I'll have a serious discussion with anyone who is able and willing. But I haven't seen anything resembling such so far under this thread. Only the same old hoary chestnuts thrashed out ad nauseum elsewhere.
 I am sure something will surface eventually though, even if this question is addressed:
 

I can only assume that "Gone Fishing" is not looking for a serious discussion. Because anyone who is even remotely aware of the current events and the goings on within the watchtower knows good and well that things ARE NOT WELL. Even the very first sentence from this poster was sadly laughable.
". Why not? If they believe Paul's description of themselves that they are "ambassadors substituting for Christ" (2Cor 5:20) and that Christ is the ruler of Jehovah's Messianic Kingdom "-Gone Fishing
Not even the King Himself Jesus Christ didnt enjoyed such luxuries and neither did he seek them. The scriptures plainly states
" But Jesus said to him: “Foxes have dens and birds of heaven have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay down his head."- Luke 9:58
yet here they are...living in high luxury.  
"Are you already satisfied? Are you already rich? Have you begun ruling as kings+ without us? I really wish that you had begun ruling as kings, so that we also might rule with you as kings.+" 1Corithians 4:8
And dont even get me started about the child sex abuse cases that are being piled up within the courtrooms around the world ...little boys and girls who have been rapped and molested by those who are/were in leadership positions within the organization and the Watchtower refusal to cooperate with the superior authorities. 
No...I cant take this poster serious at all.
 

Unfortunately it can not be justified and whats more...its highly hypocritical on their part. They advice the brothers and sisters to live with a simple eye, in fact...they prefer them to not even seek a higher education, why? Because "The end is near" Because of a lack of education many (not all) of the brothers and sisters find it very difficult to support themselves and their families which forces them to have to work Over Time to compensate.....or worse, Multiple jobs. in light of  this fact, the "Slave" lives high luxury on "Kings Road"
Jehovah has seen all of these things and noticed something more shocking than this, for he says"The prophets prophesy lies,And the priests dominate by their own authority.And my own people love it that way."- Jeremiah 5:30
Nothing can be done about this gross hypocracy at present...but when Jesus Arrives, We as Gods people will answer not only for our Hypocrisy, but for our stupidity for "The Judgement Starts With The House Of God"-1Peter 4:17

I have a two part question: Why does Jehovah require the faithful and discreet slave to build a very expensive and grandiose luxury compound when the end of the world is imminent and how can the faithful and discreet slave justify the cost when they are not receiving as much money as they are spending?

I’m not sure what you’re getting at.  This was God’s decree, an incident where two witnesses were not needed to accuse the guilty.   Aren’t God’s decrees enough of a “witness”? The Wt. refuses to acknowledge these scriptures; and correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to remember  G. Jackson said they didn’t apply.  If he had spiritual wisdom, he could see how they would apply to the child abuse issue today.  Ps 119:1-4,18,27,32-34,66 
 

I agree with most all that you are saying, except many children are abused by a parent; a parent they thought they could trust.  Also, I was abused as a girl by someone in the extended family. Because my parents thought so highly of the individual, I never had the heart to tell them of my abuse that lasted years, even though I had an especially close bond with my father.  They died not knowing the sordid truth about my abuser.

Who is your devil today, this evening (in my place is 10.14 pm) 

... and God have done some precedent action too, so why would not San Diego judge set his precedent too? He have God's permission for such action. God put him to that position according to JHVH words in Bible. 
If some worldly Judge make favor decision for WT, you would praise God for that, don't you?
So praise God also, when Judge made decision that is not for WT benefit. 

And your point regarding this???
Good to be reminded thank you very much. Yes, we are very well aware of these personal and "collective", (think I understand this term), areas of responsibility which is why we, for example  1. obey 1 Pet.3:21, and 2. obey Rev 18:4. 
Great examples, but in the case of unwitnessed alleged murder, the city of refuge arrangement has relevance.
The unwitnessed rape incident is also intriguing. Was Jehovah ever called as a witness additional to the victim?

BIBLE CODE
"You are all brothers"
P.S. “All You Are Brothers”.NWT

Yes, when Jesus was a victim of false accusations against him.
So the Pharisees said to him, “You are testifying about yourself. Your testimony is not valid.”
 “Even if I testify about myself,” Jesus replied, “My testimony is true, because I know where I came from and where I’m going. But you don’t know where I come from or where I’m going.  You judge by human standards. I judge no one. And if I do judge, my judgment is true, because it is not I alone who judge, but I and the Father who sent me. Even in your law it is written that the testimony of two witnesses is true.  I am the one who testifies about myself, and the Father who sent me testifies about me.”  John 8:13-18
The authentic priesthood becomes one with Christ as members of his Body.  1 Cor 12:7-11,12; Rom 15:6; 1 Cor 2:16   The Holy Spirit resides in their heart (if faithful) and through their anointing, God’s laws are written on the heart. 2 Cor 3:3; Heb 8:10; God’s judgments can be made through the power of Holy Spirit,  who reads each heart, including the victim’s.  In the case of the adulterous woman whom the Pharisees wanted to stone, she was “caught in the act”, but Jesus’ wisdom still allowed the woman her freedom. John 8:2-11  Solomon also used wisdom God had given him through Holy Spirit, when dealing with the woman who stole the other woman’s baby.  There were not two witnesses in that case, but the baby was restored to its real mother.  1 Chron 1:11,12
Today, the elder body, the false priesthood, cannot reside over such cases with any success, since the Holy Spirit from God does not dwell within their hearts. (Eph 2:22)  It never will, since they are not anointed, (1 John 2:27) and have replaced the authentic priesthood, which is an abomination. Dan 11:31; Matt 24:15; Ezek 44:7; Luke 21:24; Rev 11:1,2
Within the anointed Body,
 “A manifestation of the Spirit is given to each person for the common good:  to one is given a message of wisdom through the Spirit, to another, a message of knowledge by the same Spirit” 1 Cor 12:7,8
Eph 4:1-6
 
 
 
 
 

For now if it is at all possible for you to do, do not cherry pick my post, I know its hard for you since this is what jw's are best at, but if your going to insist on cherry picking, post the mostly positive things I said. And no where did I say anything about 1975 or Franz and all that. So your response is just a whiny defensive rebuttal instead of a coherent statement. Please don't comment unless you can do so.

Hey, matthew9969, do you even know why this is going on? I was around those 15,20 years ago. We did not dance in the halls. UNLESS, there was a celebration there, a function other than a spiritual meeting. So I ask again do you know why we went crazy in our different hall in certain cities, at that time? If not please try not to hate. The principles have not changed. We put on plays and had certain skits for ones during there weddings and anniversaries. To have clean fun and used WORLDLY MUSIC, as you put. We are not the Amish, or did Jesus send us to the outskirts of the cities to live. We also do not only live among ourselves. We love still among this world. But we must live cleanly midst it. Sorry that you found your live drab and dreary. But I went through '75 and the Franz disfellowshipping and the other shake ups in congregational matters. But I put myself through college, my father taught us the truth per scripture, we did not sell everything we continued to wait on Jehovah and follow the leaders that took the reins of leadership. If they are taking us down the wrong knowingly, like Eli allowed his sons to do whatever they wanted, Jehovah and Christ will clean things up, Samuel did not cry and wanted to go back home to mommie. He stayed because he knew whose organization this was, I was taught the very same thing. I taught my children the very same thing!
So, I ask again, do you know WHY these things were happening? Not just in the videos you have posted, but in many more in this country and around the world. I await your response. Have a nice day!

Now I'm not condemning these people for wanting to have some joy inside their house of worship, but a few things stand out...these congregations would have been strongly reproved, if not even some disfellowshipped 10-15 20 years ago. This kind of joy definitely would have made my childhood much more easier to endure. But not just that...at my church, worship is done with christian centered music, by christian artist praising God and Jesus. These video's the brothers and sisters are singing and dancing and plagiarizing worldly music, and dances that have been popular in bars and worldly plays. I'm glad to see brothers and sisters finally being allowed to laugh, dance, have fun while congregating in a kingdom hall, still have some doctrines that are wrong, but they are catching on with what is in the bible about worshiping and praising God with musical instruments and dancing.
 

if they obey, why they have problem with Courts and other Secular Governmental Bodies in various countries?

Yes Bible talking about that, but "sheep" not using own mental power, powered by holy spirit, to make conclusions. They, generally, let to GB to made conclusion for them.
About possible future changing on "two witness rule", the rule GB defends with body and mind hahha. Perhaps WT decide to accept criminal forensic as "second witness". Not just another human witness :))))))

Not all anointed ones are uninspired.  Some actually, are guided by Holy Spirit.  
This is a comment I found by an anointed one, very much inspired:
“The Bible makes clear, that there are cases which DO NOT require two witnesses, such as murder and rape (Deut.22:25-27). In both crimes, there was no witness at all. IN FACT, a child is not capable of resistance toward a crafty adult, despite the useless advice for the prevention of child abuse which is given in the Awake's futile magazine article. It places blame on the incapable victim, should they be molested, by depicting an image of a child with her hand up, to her would-be rapist.

Jesus also let us know, that God Himself can be considered a witness (John8:18). If "elders" believe that they are appointed by the action of that very spirit of God, can it not also testify to guilt or innocence, in response to a prayerful petition?
Of course, God will not respond to the prayer of the wicked, just as He refuses to respond to the prayers of the GB, as they themselves admitted, about their decision to build at Warwick.”
 
 

Yes it is easy for those Bethel Princes in WT who sitting in comfortable offices and deeply meditates about some stuff, would it be this or that and then get in is some kind of trans and find some really bright ideas about issue. Put that in publications and JW org and conventions. Drilling JW members with ideas and dfd those if they do not agree. And after few years or few decades decide to change that doctrine with "new light" mantra. For WT "bible scholars" it is easy, i agree.
For rest of members? - that depends on various personal factors :)))) live to your imagination what would this factors be.