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    BroRando reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    A public talk titled "The World Has Ended; Millions Now Living May Never Die" was first delivered on February 24, 1918 in Los Angeles, California. Five weeks later, on March 31, 1918 the title was changed to indicate absolute certainty: "The World Has Ended; Millions Now Living Will Never Die." The public talk continued to be delivered under that same title until 1925.
    At a 1931 Bible Student assembly in Columbus, Ohio Rutherford proposed a new name for the organization, Jehovah's witnesses, to differentiate them from the proliferation of other groups that followed Russell's teachings.
    Joseph Franklin Rutherford, also known as Judge Rutherford, was the second president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses) from 1917 until his death in 1942.
    OK, a few questions. 
    If I'm right what RUSSELL had built up was an Association of Bible Students possibly earthwide ? 
    So, what Rutherford had taken over was this Association of Bible Students. But Rutherford broke away from that and formed an Organisation naming it Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931.
    Now, this creates a question.  Who were the Millions now living that would never die ? 
    This was 1918. Pre-JW.  International Bible Student era.  So exactly who did Rutherford expect to 'never die' ? 
    (At this point it matter not that his prediction failed. More to the point of who he expected to live on).
    And when Rutherford's breakaway 'group' were named Jehovah's Witnesses, did his idea change from 'Millions' now living will never die, to, Only JWs now living will never die ?
    There must have come a time when the quantity of people expected to continue living decreased rapidly. Because Rutherford's JWs would have been far less than the original International Bible Students Association. 
    And when exactly was this Millions now living will never die idea, removed from the JW doctrines / teachings ? 
    There seems to be lots of discussion about RUSSELL on here, but not much about RUTHERFORD. However it was Rutherford that 'built' the Jehovah's Witnesses religion. 
    I'm interested in this big change of thought from the idea of, millions of individuals that would continue living, to the idea of, 'only Jehovah's Witnesses will continue living'.  So it would be goodto know exactly who Rutherford expected to 'continue living'. 
    (information taken from https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/218007.Millions_Now_Living_Will_Never_Die_ )
    The thoughts are mine but I found this book online when looking for information. I would think about buying the book but then wonder if it is likened to 'hero worship' / idolatry. 
    Any thoughts ??? 
     
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in "How can I explain 'the meek will inherit the earth' to my jw husband?"   
    The Timothy scripture applies to people like you, but was written for the Anointed and now applies to those coming out of the Last Days.
     
     
    2 Timothy 3:5
    having an appearance of godliness but proving false to its power; and from these turn away.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    So now the OP reports replies she Won't Answer... ssssss  ----  sssssss  tell us how Jesus Lied when he stated almost 2,000 years ago that everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will Never Die At All. (John 11:25-26)
    Maybe you're the LIAR?
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    BroRando got a reaction from JW Insider in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Jesus made this statement almost 2,000 years ago.... why don't you go for it and call him a liar too??   You know what Jesus says about Hypocrisy? 
    Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will Never Die At All. Do you believe this?” (John 11:25-26)
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    BroRando reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Like I say, Losers trying to take it off topic.  It really does prove that you are frightened of my questions.
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    BroRando reacted to TrueTomHarley in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    No, but it raises a better one.
    Please address Jesus’ words that seemingly make him a liar: 
    “and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all.”
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Jesus made this statement almost 2,000 years ago.... why don't you go for it and call him a liar too??   You know what Jesus says about Hypocrisy? 
    Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will Never Die At All. Do you believe this?” (John 11:25-26)
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    BroRando got a reaction from TrueTomHarley in Millions Now Living Will Never Die! by J.F. Rutherford ??????????? A few questions.   
    Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will Never Die At All. Do you believe this?” (John 11:25-26)
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in "How can I explain 'the meek will inherit the earth' to my jw husband?"   
    I'll talk to your husband for you.  Under our New Understanding, he is elgible to divorce an opposer... it would be a valid divorce and he be free to marry a younger more vital sister... I'll guess any sister would be much better than an old worn out opposer... 😀
    Just send him to this site you're on!
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    WTS Quote:  For example, unrepentant wrongdoers are removed from the congregation. (1 Cor. 5:11-13) What is more, the guard chambers in the entryways of those gates may remind us that today, when it comes to worshipping Jehovah, no one is admitted who does not have divine approval.
    When confronted with such issues, we do well to picture Ezekiel’s visionary temple with those lofty gates and remember: Jehovah does not lower his righteous standards, regardless of pressures from this wicked world. Do we agree with our heavenly Father and stand up for what is right?
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    BroRando got a reaction from vina sayers in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    Adam and Eve, what they didn't know... Jehovah God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eʹden to cultivate it and to take care of it.  Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.  But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” (Genesis 1:15-17)   Adam had everlasting life in view. All he had to do, is not partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Other than that, Adam could eat from EVERY tree of the garden including the tree of life to satisfaction. If you are a Lover of Jehovah God, then you Aprecciate and Love the Deep things of God. Jehovah God is a Revealer of Secrets. (Daniel 2:47)   The anointed cherub that was covering in the Garden of Eden started to grow a haughty heart and out of that haughtiness, he became vengeful and vindictive at the first human couple. Angels are moral agents and don't have to ability to procreate, not as spirits anyway. Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” (Genesis 3:1) This angel well knew what command that Jehovah laid on Adam. However, Jehovah never laid the command on Eve. It was Adam's Headship to guide his wife and Jehovah gave him some latitude in how to instruct her.   Jehovah simply commanded Adam, "but  as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” (Genesis 1:17) Either Adam choose to go beyond the command of not eating its fruit by adding"no touching" and about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden. (Non-specific). Or Eve took it on her own to expand Jehovah's command. Because next to that very tree of good and bad was the tree of Life. Evidently in the middle of the garden?   Notice Eve's answer goes beyond what Jehovah commanded Adam. "At this the woman said to the serpent: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden.  But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” (Genesis 3:2-4) Also, in her answer about the tree was not named...  but noticed in his reply he mentions knowing good and bad.   Next, the anointed cherub's response to Eve is quite telling. "At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die.  For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.” (Genesis 3:4-5) Did Adam tell his Wife, not to eat of fruit of the tree in the middle, (non-specific) because the tree of life was also in the middle of the garden along with the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Not only did Adam and Eve have permission to eat from 'the tree of life' before they sinned, but they could have eaten from it after they sinned before they went hiding from Michael the Archangel as he was walking in the breezy part of the day. "Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God as he was walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day, and the man and his wife hid from the face of Jehovah God among the trees of the garden." (Genesis 3:8) Evidently this wasn't the first time they spoke with Jehovah's Chief Messenger as the word of God since they heard him walking in the garden and this time went hiding.   Several things we can glean from the scriptures. One, if Michael is the voice and face of Jehovah God, it's quite likely he manifested in the flesh as he often did as Jehovah's Chief Messenger, the word of God. Second, if Michael manifested, it is possible that the anointed cherub manifested in the flesh and the Scriptures were speaking of him symbolically as a serpent due to his caution and his turning and twisting of Jehovah's Word. Third, notice Jehovah's response to his Only Begotten Son as he blocked access to the tree of Life.   Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever,—” (Genesis 3:22) This scripture gives us huge flashes of Spiritual Insight.   Jehovah had to be talking with the Firstborn of All Creation (Michael) which means Godlike One or One Who is Like God? It was at this instant of time that Michael understood that his God and Father was giving him an assignment which would end death. Michael was a mortal agent as the other angels were. We see that Michael "has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." (Hebrews 1:4) Read (Philippians 2:6-10 for that name.) Notice the (—) at the end? What Jehovah was thinking, he did not express in words because Jehovah sincerely wanted to grant life to Adam and Eve. Instead, Satan, Adam, and Eve forced his hand to withhold that GIFT. But not from others...... not the seed prophesied at (Genesis 3:15) Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Notice it doesn't say like us as Apostates and Opposers of Jesus Christ falsely claim. The little devils speak just like their father... research it.. you will SEE "like ONE of us" Look up the Hebrew....   With that Jehovah God expelled him from the garden of Eden to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken.  So he drove the man out, and he posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning continuously to guard the way to the tree of life." (Genesis 3:23-24) Jehovah could not allow or drop His Divine Standard for Adam and Eve to partake of the tree of life and live forever in their imperfect and disobedient state. There was Opportunity for them to do what is Right and partake of the tree of life, they simply choose not too.... Satan knew that Adam and Eve would positively die! That is how Sinister Satan is!!   For the next 1,500 years, Satan and his angels had their eyes on that tree of life with no avail. Making up schemes to taint Jehovah's Seed. But Jehovah guarded the tree of life and is granting life to those called, chosen, and sealed. What Satan wanted so badly for himself... Jehovah gave to his Chosen Ones of the 144,000. Amen!   Click for a Free Home Bible Study.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Dmitar in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    The Kingdom of God is not far off from you.  However, the answer Jesus gave to some of his disciples in private was to the specific question, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the Sign of your Presence and of the Conclusion of the system of things?”(Matthew 24:3)
    Today, all the peoples SEE this Sign, but only those having insight will understand. (Daniel 12:9-10)
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    Patiently claims Jehovah only stated {{us}} in the same manner Satan implied Jehovah Lied by stating
    However, Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like One of us in knowing good and bad. 
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Adam and Eve, what they didn't know...   
    Adam and Eve, what they didn't know... Jehovah God took the man and settled him in the garden of Eʹden to cultivate it and to take care of it.  Jehovah God also gave this command to the man: “From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction.  But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” (Genesis 1:15-17)   Adam had everlasting life in view. All he had to do, is not partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Other than that, Adam could eat from EVERY tree of the garden including the tree of life to satisfaction. If you are a Lover of Jehovah God, then you Aprecciate and Love the Deep things of God. Jehovah God is a Revealer of Secrets. (Daniel 2:47)   The anointed cherub that was covering in the Garden of Eden started to grow a haughty heart and out of that haughtiness, he became vengeful and vindictive at the first human couple. Angels are moral agents and don't have to ability to procreate, not as spirits anyway. Now the serpent was the most cautious of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” (Genesis 3:1) This angel well knew what command that Jehovah laid on Adam. However, Jehovah never laid the command on Eve. It was Adam's Headship to guide his wife and Jehovah gave him some latitude in how to instruct her.   Jehovah simply commanded Adam, "but  as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die.” (Genesis 1:17) Either Adam choose to go beyond the command of not eating its fruit by adding"no touching" and about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden. (Non-specific). Or Eve took it on her own to expand Jehovah's command. Because next to that very tree of good and bad was the tree of Life. Evidently in the middle of the garden?   Notice Eve's answer goes beyond what Jehovah commanded Adam. "At this the woman said to the serpent: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden.  But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden: ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” (Genesis 3:2-4) Also, in her answer about the tree was not named...  but noticed in his reply he mentions knowing good and bad.   Next, the anointed cherub's response to Eve is quite telling. "At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die.  For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.” (Genesis 3:4-5) Did Adam tell his Wife, not to eat of fruit of the tree in the middle, (non-specific) because the tree of life was also in the middle of the garden along with the tree of the knowledge of good and bad. Not only did Adam and Eve have permission to eat from 'the tree of life' before they sinned, but they could have eaten from it after they sinned before they went hiding from Michael the Archangel as he was walking in the breezy part of the day. "Later they heard the voice of Jehovah God as he was walking in the garden about the breezy part of the day, and the man and his wife hid from the face of Jehovah God among the trees of the garden." (Genesis 3:8) Evidently this wasn't the first time they spoke with Jehovah's Chief Messenger as the word of God since they heard him walking in the garden and this time went hiding.   Several things we can glean from the scriptures. One, if Michael is the voice and face of Jehovah God, it's quite likely he manifested in the flesh as he often did as Jehovah's Chief Messenger, the word of God. Second, if Michael manifested, it is possible that the anointed cherub manifested in the flesh and the Scriptures were speaking of him symbolically as a serpent due to his caution and his turning and twisting of Jehovah's Word. Third, notice Jehovah's response to his Only Begotten Son as he blocked access to the tree of Life.   Jehovah God then said: “Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Now in order that he may not put his hand out and take fruit also from the tree of life and eat and live forever,—” (Genesis 3:22) This scripture gives us huge flashes of Spiritual Insight.   Jehovah had to be talking with the Firstborn of All Creation (Michael) which means Godlike One or One Who is Like God? It was at this instant of time that Michael understood that his God and Father was giving him an assignment which would end death. Michael was a mortal agent as the other angels were. We see that Michael "has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." (Hebrews 1:4) Read (Philippians 2:6-10 for that name.) Notice the (—) at the end? What Jehovah was thinking, he did not express in words because Jehovah sincerely wanted to grant life to Adam and Eve. Instead, Satan, Adam, and Eve forced his hand to withhold that GIFT. But not from others...... not the seed prophesied at (Genesis 3:15) Here the man has become like one of us in knowing good and bad. Notice it doesn't say like us as Apostates and Opposers of Jesus Christ falsely claim. The little devils speak just like their father... research it.. you will SEE "like ONE of us" Look up the Hebrew....   With that Jehovah God expelled him from the garden of Eden to cultivate the ground from which he had been taken.  So he drove the man out, and he posted at the east of the garden of Eden the cherubs and the flaming blade of a sword that was turning continuously to guard the way to the tree of life." (Genesis 3:23-24) Jehovah could not allow or drop His Divine Standard for Adam and Eve to partake of the tree of life and live forever in their imperfect and disobedient state. There was Opportunity for them to do what is Right and partake of the tree of life, they simply choose not too.... Satan knew that Adam and Eve would positively die! That is how Sinister Satan is!!   For the next 1,500 years, Satan and his angels had their eyes on that tree of life with no avail. Making up schemes to taint Jehovah's Seed. But Jehovah guarded the tree of life and is granting life to those called, chosen, and sealed. What Satan wanted so badly for himself... Jehovah gave to his Chosen Ones of the 144,000. Amen!   Click for a Free Home Bible Study.
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    BroRando got a reaction from BroBright in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    So the Prophecy at (Daniel 12:11) has a beginning and an end. It covers a period of time during the time of the end. So what event marks the end, giving us insight to the conclusion of the prophecy for others to be fulfilled? "And arms will stand up, proceeding from him; and they will profane the sanctuary, the fortress, and remove the constant feature. And they will put in place the disgusting thing that causes desolation." (Daniel 11:31)
    Since these things are in fact being fulfilled since 1919 what is the event that marks the final part of the prophecy that is upon us? Notice the term 'constant feature'. Prophecies often have an initial fulfillment and then later on concludes with a final fulfillment. The constant feature refers to a continual sacrifice. Animal sacrifices were brought to an end by the death of Jesus Christ.
    So as to the timing, it occurs during the end of times. However, the constant feature during the Last Days would be the constant feature of the continual sacrifices of our lips in Preaching the Good News and in Praising Jehovah, the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Peter 1:3)
    So the event we are looking for is when the King of the North makes his move and invades our Kingdom Halls, he repossess the constant feature of praise from Jehovah God and Bans the Preaching Work of the Good News of God's Kingdom. Therefore, this prophecy begins to manifest under a certain and specific condition. The King of the North is pushing ahead like a stubborn mule because it thinks he can rob Jehovah's treasury like a common thief and get away with it. (Matthew 24:42) Our Prayers and Praise are far more valuable to Jehovah than gold and silver. Soon, the King of the South will no longer be reluctant but join forces with him and the 'ten horns' will spew propaganda that collects their coalitions of earthly kings together as Gog of Magog. (Psalm 2:2) The result? Gog of Magog will be brought to his finish as Christ Millennial begins.
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Last Days... When?   
    You are one and done... sorry... Not Sorry! 😄
    Matthew 12:32
    For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Last Days... When?   
    You are one and done... sorry... Not Sorry! 😄
    Matthew 12:32
    For example, whoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the holy spirit, it will not be forgiven him, no, not in this system of things nor in that to come.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Proof you're an imposter....
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Imposter... using corrupt scripture that removed Jehovah's Holy Name.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in 2034 and its significance...   
    Yep...  God's Name is JEHOVAH.... something you like to smear using corrupt scriptures that removed His Holy Name.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    More proof  you are a Non Witness. 
    Matthew 23:10
    Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.
     
    Accpecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior can add meaning to your life.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Dmitar in 2034 and its significance...   
    Prove it.  That will simply expose you as a willfull liar.  (Revelation 22:15)  Down down down.... in a ring of fire, she burns burns burns, flames keep getting higher.....  😀
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from Arauna in 2034 and its significance...   
    Do what you need to do to protect yourself from demonic onslaught... from here on out.. it will climax to a peak... if you want to steer up the nest... just mention 2034.
    If you think the demons where upset about 1914... when they hear about 2034...it will throw them in a violent tizzie....  but it seems you know who you are dealing with... keep opposing them for the saftey of others. 😄
    When they reject 1914 which is another red flag that they are not JW's... you can easily expose them.  Take Care and Stay Safe my dear Sister.... til the end!  (Matthew 24:13)
    It was a pleasure weilding the sword against them with you...
     
     
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    BroRando got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in 2034 and its significance...   
    Yep...  God's Name is JEHOVAH.... something you like to smear using corrupt scriptures that removed His Holy Name.
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    BroRando got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their End...   
    Imposter... using corrupt scripture that removed Jehovah's Holy Name.
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