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  1. Srecko Sostar
    You made excellent point... question is not should we preach, but what to preach.
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    Thanks for respond. But from this comment i see how you softened previous personal belief. :)) and only miracle that stayed as miracle is preaching.
  3. Srecko Sostar
    Dealing With a Case of Incest Expel the wicked person from among you. ... not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people. Expel the wicked person from among you. How many JW's you personally know, who did or doing this and you decide not to greet them?
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    No Tom. Water is already muddy. And not because of you or me. We made them irrelevant. Don't we? Some of them ( practices) seems acceptable, to general public. And for people in one part of world. In other part of world and their society different practice is acceptable to them. We can conclude how different and sometimes opposite practices are relevant today too, as were in the past. Me personally, accept practice when we making effort to not hurt each other. At least not too strong, too hard :))))
  5. Srecko Sostar
    Look. Biblical beliefs is broad term. For example, polygamy as social system in old Israel, set by Moses (or by God, choose by yourself) inside Law paragraphs is very biblical. Polygamy in Israel was legitimate and legal way of living. So, polygamy is biblical teaching. At least for people who lived in those times. Slavery, Compensation for the Bride, Arranged Marriages, Concubins, Under age girls and woman got as War price ..., all this once was very biblical and worth to follow as way of living and blessed by JHVH, according to Bible. Concept of some beliefs .... is that really matters to go in explanation what is my concept?! :))) Until now i see how all sorts of Concepts failed.
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    Elders as "counterfeit priesthood" and "man of lawlessness". I would explain this to myself in this way: Elders in JW congregations as individuals are not "bad" people itself. Many of them have loving concern and are self sacrifice in helping others. I am sure how no one want (@Witness too) to discredit this aspect and quality of such individuals. But this qualities is not what is problematic and it is not in focus. Legitimate is to ask: Are they "appointed" to this service by God or by Human?! Are they supporting and promoting Jesus' teachings and instructions or those made by GB and WT Corporation?! That explanation can be very good trap. Dangers is outside and we are inside, so we are safe. :))))
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    This is not said precisely enough. Whole world (minus 8 millions JW) rejecting JHVH ways. And showing that openly. In a place you living people doing this too (rejecting JHVH ways). Please how you deal with them, on daily basis? Not greeting them? If you greet them you join yourself with their sins. :)) Did he greet him?
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    We have at least two sort of perception here. Arauna you said how you believe, "miracle" is possible. I agree that you and I or somebody else can explain some events in our or elses life as God's intervention. No one can make proof or contra proof for that. But you forget another important thing. WT Society and JW organization have official doctrine that is opposite of your beliefs in this. True, WT magazines from time to time brings experiences that border with "miracles" or are "miracles", because it is not explainable from human reality, how and why, but it was said how that have to be from God. WT and JW Organization teaching clearly say how, "miracles" stopped in 1 century. By "miracles", they mean supernatural, divine intervention by JHVH. Interventions and acts of every kind. Among other things, is also how JHVH protecting his people. If you try to explain to your brothers or elders how your specific experience is definitely, for sure, intervention made by God and to assure them how what happened is exactly what you believe - God's miracle in your life ..... let us inform about their respond. :))
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    Arauna, i am sorry but i have to react. You suggesting here, how robbers in this illustration are not Jews, but that is not visible in story. What IS visible in story is fact, how "pure, highly spiritual Jews" (Priest and Levite) not wanted to help but Samaritan did.
  10. Srecko Sostar
    I am not church member. I gave my opinion and thoughts and questions. You said: When Jehovah allowed things it was not the ideal but he allowed it because - as Jesus said - they were hard-hearted. Why you think, how JHVH dealing with human in this way, by allow, is not ideal?? JHVH is perfect and if he decide "to allow" things, than that IS ideal. You need more faith :))) As i can understand so far, JHVH "allowed" (perhaps exist some Bible verse who said this. It will be fine to find Bible verse who give clear God's intention and standpoint on this idea. Next, we have Jesus words who specifically say how Moses, and NOT JHVH, gave permission about it. Idea how JHVH "allowed" polygamy is just human idea and theological explanation. Fact that Jesus confirmed is clear: Moses gave them permission to have more than one wife. Jesus never said; JHVH gave permission. Also, Jesus gave answer on question: "Why Moses allowed that?". But Jesus not gave answer on: "Why JHVH not stopped this immoral law to be part of His Law and to stand as equal among His righteous and supreme, Divine words and laws?"
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    I would say this way. The year 607 is real year. The year 1914 is real year. But it seems that only thing that connecting this two subjects is, numbers. They ARE numbers. And for people who lived in those times, these years meant something. To us today, meaning lies in .... discussion only.
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    I made question on this. Please to repeat it once again. Who made and gave law on polygamy in Israel? JHVH or Moses? It would be nice to hear clear and unambiguous answer. If JHVH, than it is needles and excessive to talking about permission. allow = to give permission for someone to do something, or to not prevent something from happening: If Moses get this regulation from his own head, than we can start asking about other problems. Was Moses INSPIRED by God when wrote this and other paragraphs? .......etc. When JW people answer with: "JHVH allowed" ....this or that in Moses Law, such answer is not answer but just comment that say nothing valid. JHVH allowed many things, good and bad. Not only things connected with Moses Law, old Israel, First Congregation or today's JW, but also with all other things in life of all people who lived and living now in the World. To just say: "He ALLOWED" is meaningless. And can give both, wrong and/or correct, perception about interaction between God and Human and relation that coming from some sort of inactivity, lack of interest from God but also from human. Perhaps various aspects of "atheism" or non-religiosity coming from human can be also be explained by wording "allowed". Human "allowed" that things happen (People allow things to happen).
  13. Srecko Sostar
    We can go with try to understand context. That is ok. In Moses period, did he go against God Order in Eden? One woman one man. Because, according verses it look like he, Moses gave law on that issue and not God?! Jesus replied that Jehovah made only one wife for Adam and intended it to last forever but said that " due to your hard heartedness, 'Moses' allowed this practice. Well, this Bible history record making big question? What laws are given by God and what by Moses??!! Yes, but still ..... Does this act shows more? It seems how David was not satisfied just to kill enemies of him and his nation, but he had need to cut private parts of killed people? Or you suggest how such act was just common and normal, not only in historical context, but normal for God's Chosen If yes, than such practices not contribute to "separated" them as Holy Nation, but to be part of "worldly" spirit. In further talking about this, perhaps God have, had plan to make few various period of changes for his "nation" and in every time frame doing something to mold his people in specific way but according to worldly, secular circumstances? This can work too. Because people are not "inspired" to do good and teach good and truth, but to live according to general situation :))
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    As i understand JHVH, in JW Organization and WT Society context, this god is very interested that His people not to live as people around them. Does this includes only OUR time? Because, customs of old Jew are in many ways similar with customs of nations who not worshiped JHVH. Well, does this mean how such customs are not so bad, because Jew and non-Jew practiced them? What practices today is available to JW's that are same or similar to non-JW's, and JHVH not consider them as bad or as "spirit of this world"?
  15. Srecko Sostar
    1) if woman boss is in capacity to be boss and organized things in respectful way to her coworkers who are under her boss position, than this is not ruling over me or males or any other in firm. In other circumstances we are equal as human. 2) internal matters 3) this need more research, because slave is slave in old time and in modern time.Their roles and jobs not changed with time passing, i guess. Only means of labor, how they doing some slave job, perhaps changed..... and maybe some slaves today are members of Labor, Workers Union :))).
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    ... but every woman (modern, in keeping with the time woman) need always to have a heavy hammer and a mortise chisel on hand in a kitchen :)))))) ....yes, he is special case too .... and the simplest and most neutral way is, perhaps, to say: "Who will understand god's ways?" :))
  17. Srecko Sostar
    You really need to have stomach for killing someone this way. Forensic psychology experts possibly could be able to explain why woman murderer/killer used this way..... and not to poison him, for example. Is this is how God told her to fulfill His will....? or she find this as unique way how to be remembered and take the "glory" from other people in her tribe?
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    Then, it would be correct to notice how JW organization is not enough separated themself from this old world wicked system. Because evil thing founded its way how to spread spirit of this world into congregations and to win over spirit of Organization (whatever name to spirit you would give to be behind Organization) . So much about self praise WT Society making as the only true organization (religion) that is not "dirty" as rest of the world. For sure, JW's want to be as much is possible approved by God. But this individual intention not making Organization to be "clean".... or to be the cleanest organization in the world.
  19. Srecko Sostar
    Bible speaks about stones who witnessing and children who gives a praise. What is strange if some women doing what some men don't? You doing the same here. Would we ( who are males) have to reject and make funny of your thoughts and words just because you are woman? WT publications said that same idea. And your explanation is based on that. .... But articles explained how NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE who are and who are not anointed. Based on this clam from WT and such information, it is good to be careful about GB too. :)) What is work of anointed and what is work of slave? What is difference? What their service to God and to people making to be different in the past and today (1st century ...... 2000 years later)?
  20. Srecko Sostar
    Seems to me how the only Prince who lived in that house was Rutherford.....and servants. Proof of vain, futile faith. Also, Rutherford believed differently than JW's now. King and Priests not need to be in the Heaven to be Kingdom's rulers over, above the Earth, in the Sky. But here on land of California. Present use is for President and assistants. Of course, he need that because of health issue. Some other ill bro/sis have to wait for future blessings with hope. And thereafter to be forever at disposal of ..... It stands as testimony......of good money investments. Confirmation of faith and hope will be no more because they sold building.
  21. Srecko Sostar
    Debate question is in topic. Part of my comment is not answer on topic issue: "disfellowshipped for leaving violent partners". Interactions, you mentioned, is something i comment from one of angles we can use to make conversation between us who participate. We have at least three groups of people who are involved in debate here. This is what we can call as "social interaction". We standing on different positions, but we have "interaction". Normal human changing of thoughts, opinions and standpoints. We all here are proof how WT Society "obligation" that is need for JW members to obey is of no significance, meaning and purpose ... here, on this web site. In that context, i would like to understand your position. Do you showing your "mercy" to us, while interacting with all of us here? Or do you feel sort of "obligation" to interacting with us? I don't see why would "mercy or obligation" have to be impetus and motive, for me or anyone else here, to go in interaction with people on this web site !?
  22. Srecko Sostar
    Good points. Interactions. That remind me on rule that JW like to have as practice when ex-JW is in question. Violent husband who beat his wife has all right to be father and teacher to his children, on one hand. This we call parent-child interaction. Perhaps he show love and tender to children, but we can go to question this, because he beating mother of those children he love so much. Well, he don't love mother to measure he beating her, but love children he have with beating wife ?! Upside-down world. What he will give to children in interaction moment? How he will explain this two side love? JW love all people except ex-JW. Interactions. Upside-down world. Love can stop at any moment. Husband not need to love her wife if he has such feeling, but beating is not proper interaction. JW are not obligated to love ex-JW, but does this give any right to them to stop having human interaction. Do not misunderstand me. I have no need, any need to speak with my JW family or ex congregants and other JW. I just show how many things in life are upside down. Even my interactions. :))
  23. Srecko Sostar
    I believe how this is quite "normal and spiritual" advice, almost for every problem, until our days. :)) Male - female issue. Domination issue. Theocratic order issue. In this what was said and what life give us to see, it is notable to understand how problems that are common to worldly society are visible as similar or same problem in spiritual society aka JW organization. Men want to be boss and women have to obey them. That is not issue itself, because every group give power to one person who making decisions. If wife decide to give this to husband than it is willingly. But if wife see things in other way, husband is not entitled to break her will with force, of any kind. Well, does Jesus' teachings giving all authority and power to husband for beating his wife and/or children? If answer is NO, we can make sort of excuse or explanation with everything we want, but there is NO EXCUSE. No matter of what period of time we speaking about and try to understand how looked practice of elders in specific part of the world in specific circumstances and moment, WT Society is/was not acting under principles that giving love, justice and comfort to victims. Primarily (in cases like this or about CSA) they care about look and about status that look have to bring in own eyes or eyes of people. This is not good. This bad examples (past and nowadays) giving evidence, proof how they have problems in communication with holy spirit ....or Jesus' teachings.
  24. Srecko Sostar
    It would be ok if WT Society, as Charitable Organization, build or buy some places for shelters of this kind. For JW's female members. In such case things would stay "in a family" and needed person would receive some help. Don't get this serious! That could be devastating. Because "little dark secrets" would be/stay under internal control.
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    The highest heavens belong to the Lord, but the earth he has given to mankind. - Psalms 115 16 As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, But the earth he has given to the sons of men. -NWT
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