Srecko Sostar

I am not talking about you Sir. I am not member of any church. Evidence shows that our memory isn’t as consistent as we’d like to believe. What’s worse, we’re often guilty of changing the facts and adding false details to our memories without even realising. - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/memories-unreliable-science-brain-false-memory-remembering-a8687296.html

It is proved by experience and science that memory about past events drops by time. More time gap, more holes in memory and wrong, error testimony about details of event. Well, this few brothers who are in fact "apostates" of their Small Church, speaking about their experience that was happened before 1, 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40 years? No. They are talking about event that took place more than 44 years ago. Only thing that can be accepted as true report is, that they were been members of some church and then became JW members. :)) Other details are in the air. Drill is today as before for newbie, read JW publication, have BS, go to meetings, go to preaching and go to baptism. Ex members of Small Church didn't tell us what was the name of that Small Church, it is unknown, even in their testimony in video, no single "witness" gave any data to what Small Church they belong before came to be JW !!! Why?

-small church -1000 small church members want to have BS with JW's -half of small church members (1000 men) -having BS in KH (only men , all in suits and with ties, of small church without women and children. This sound like some Bible report that never mentioned number of whole people but only grown male number aka people who can carry a sword :))) -what sort of people, in some small church, will abandon their church in one week and want to left their faith to go to another church?? -why to speak about 1970's preaching experience when (and dig up again 1975 Armageddon) when nowadays Society building more KH and bringing more people in silent service with Cart witnessing than ever :))

Conversation is like net. We building issue and upgrading it with many details on main structure. At first it looked as they are not connected with first subject of title that gathered us to speak. But everything we mentioned in short or long way, talking about bigger, whole picture we all looking from various (different and opposite) angles and standpoints. Think how this is instance of what is happened here with Letter. Because, how would you explain "big jump" from main issue about JW opposers to less important, or perhaps trivial conversation in comparison to main subject, about what Jesus did look like :)). Our friend @James Thomas Rook Jr. had put green frog-like creature. This Green remake is parody under question about how person in question would look in some artistic mind ............................ or how "opposers" look like ...to some JW's :)))))

:))))) now you sound like Adam. He blamed Eve :))) Word by word, little by You, little by @Arauna on 1940's, racist, time frame and similar... what do you expect from @Witness and me ... how should/would we react? :)))

Supreme Court denied Petition made by WT Society. https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/19-40.html

I will highlighted in red color some parts of text, and add some comment... and apologize for too much text :)) How did WT Society see Nazi German period, when Society were "young"? How looked time frame for Society? In this scholar analysis, author saw how JW Organization and members had WRONG Scripture interpretations, expectations, doctrine and beliefs in this, so called, Time Frame. As few times before and after this time point, too. By using this Book analysis, i would conclude how Spiritual Leaders of WT Society in that period of time (and today, too) had been led by Time Frame and own understanding, more than by Bible, Spirit, Angel, Prayer etc. Well, according to this, German leadership knew details from Letter and general membership Not. And how would You feel if somebody call you "Antichrist" and that you will be destroy in the "coming battle of the end" if not kneel down to Jesus Representatives on Earth aka WT Society? Again, WT Society made collective atmosphere of "hysteria" about how end of the world is here, so why not to give your life as member, because tomorrow you will be resurrected? Time Frame, again. But this is Inside Work of how so called Time Frame have to look if you are JW. Again, to copy paste: These straightforward statements left the Reichskanzler with only two possible conclusions: either the Declaration was the product of the collective imaginations of some crazed religious group or, it was, in its mad boldness, a declaration of war from a David against a Goliath. Here we see, how this book's "worldly" perspective was clearly said what JW members do not see. Declaration was product of one or of both facts. That JW was in "collective imagination" and that they "declare war to Hitler". Really? Is this true? In what Time Frame is this statement true and in what Time Frame it is a lie? WT Society saw political situation of the world in absurd imagination of Own Time Frame. All credit we can give to those JW who resist the "evil", even if they done that with lack of rational human mind. Other people also resist the evil, passively too. Some other had fight against evil and win it (temporary) and that is why this biblical-fundamentalist Christian group not ended in elimination. Or if you want it in this way: God allowed such outcome. What ever that means, because in JW terminology "allowed" doesn't mean how God approved or justified something.

Are we talking about: "new" light, "changed" light or about drinking too much"alcohol"?

In answering on this and many more, we can use words; Yes, No, I don't know, You don't now, I am right, You are wrong .... but "the best" answers are on JW official web sites ................ ........ :))) from Bible Students era till now.

Artists are people who need inspiration for their works. In the absence of divine inspiration, the inspiration of this worldly world is also good, enough for making pictures. :))

If by Org you mean WT Society (American Company established in 19th century ) with every Corporations that is connected with Jehovah Witnesses people (all sisters or subsidiary companies, perhaps someone who knows better can explain what is legal relations between all this Corporations) and if by JW's you mean all baptized brotherhood (children, sisters and brothers of all ages) than you wrongly made conclusion how Second Class giving direction to and guiding First Class (including GB, who working and sleeping and eating in WT Society buildings and, as they said are not WT employees but they are, reading from your idea, are elected by Brotherhood not to Guide and Lead JW's but to be Body of Something). :))

Sorry, but you started to speak about Rutherford's feelings. :)) (bold red letter is mine) I will accept your corrections if your corrections are correct :))

I am not sure about this. Where in a Bible was clearly said that people died in Armageddon have no hope for resurrection? In WT explanation, Adam and Eve death was not like death of all people after them. Adam and Eve not died in Armageddon. Perhaps, when Revelation book talking about Second Death and Lake of Fire, it is some base to talking about no resurrection hope. But Armageddon has not described in Bible as Final Death, Second Death or Lake of Fire. Second Death is obviously something that happened to Adam and Eve. Teaching is how they will not be resurrected. Also, according to WT interpretation on Revelation verses, at the and of 1000 years there will be Final Test and Second Death for those not passed the test. Even "Normal Death" will be "hurled" into the Lake of Fire and died there. But even with that fact, death is eternal, because God is in power to destroy life whenever ever He found how that is justified. In my opinion, if God not want to resurrect some people from the past until today, that would mean how these people not died just as result of Adam sin, but how such death is already categorized as Second Death. By that logic, Armageddon is not and will not be, unique and only place and time from where and when is not possible to come to life again. Noah Flood, Sodom and Gomorrah, Jew's Holy Wars and some other examples are examples where Organization gave interpretations on issue of death and resurrection. If Armageddon, as you said, is Final Judgement with death sentence, than previous and future (after Armageddon) judgements are what? Final or Temporary judgements? Does Revelation book has Literal or Allegorical meanings? How you decide what is Literal and what is not?

Well, by this you telling us how "his feeling" about something, he put on paper and then, he or his friends, came to idea to spread around the world "his feeling" with help of religious publications in purpose to teach people about Words of God. ?? They (WT Society) claim how printing and publishing publications is for that purpose, to spread "God's word" around the globe to educate people .... with Rutherford's feelings and feelings of his friends ??!! Hold a minute please. For a very long, long time WT Society claims how not one person in Organization and nothing published in/by WT Society is not "inspired by God". And now this statement of your want to show us, how because God not inspired his people, we need some individuals/people (Rutherford and others) who will inspire other people. But you are brave to say in responding to @Witness how we are instruments inspired by evil: :))))) sad and fun Of course! And because of that you are in the same group as many others who don't know much about WT history. Apologize, but your own recognition on this, disqualified you from jury of those who are able to recognize how good or poor is someone person's knowledge about WT history. :))

If dead in Armageddon is not final, and if that means people can be resurrected because of special reasons God have, despite death in Armageddon, than ....

- He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10 and all the ways that wickedness deceives Here i see how Organizational success in: Preaching work, Legal Battles, Worldwide Unity, Building Programs, Technology helped Education ...etc, .... and hard work to be Moral in all things, can be also "weapon" that serve the lie. Not one time, even WT Society publication emphasized, how it is not enough for individual, or whole groups of people, to be nice and honest, moral people, not to lie, steal, kill, etc., or to even have faith in God, but how is most important to worship Him in acceptable way. ... they refused to love the truth and so be saved. This is very intrigue. How is possible that people, like JW members, refusing to love the truth, when they are so sure how they Have The Truth. They have the truth? This can go to philosophy and some metaphysics. Is it "Truth" some thing that we can to "posses"? Obviously it is inside WT Society. They can "materialize" some supposed "truth" into textual shape of some publication (books or/and magazines). If you get this publication and accept message, than you are in "possesion" of the so called truth. And after some time this "truth" can be replaced with another "truth"( in same manner you replacing old curtain with new one on your window). In means how so called "first truth" came to be "thing" that can be physically put aside or even destroyed. That is how "ownership" is working. Because this sort of "the truth" has not came from God, but it is human Product. If some individual is Creator of something (like "truth" in this case) he is entitled to "posses" it, to sell it, to destroy it. Here we see difference about who is ownership of something. Human can not "posses" God's Truth. Human can only "posses" own truth and playing with it as they wish. Well, we came now to this part of 2 Thess: For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie . What more you need to be on wrong way, than powerful delusion (send by no one else but that God who you, or JW in this subject, want to worship) This is something to get strong headache. You put your trust in God who sends powerful delusion on you because you are wrongly made conclude how you love the truth, but on contrary, you love your own created picture of image of truth. Is there any hope? :))

That is nice and praiseworthy . But, i guess how you would not make Religious Doctrine about your sense of hospitality.

That part is clear to me. What is not the same/similar in this illustration, if we go to compare golf club member and JW member? I suppose that golf club member will say "Hello" to ex-golf club member on the street or will go to coffee together. :)) You all know the fact how I am ex-JW member. But many JW members on this forum (and some in my home town) communicate with me despite "official shunning rule". Perhaps to many of you it is easier to have virtual contacts with ex-JW's, and maybe giving you some feeling of "proper distance" because of this sort of communication or because we didn't have personal previous contacts as JW members. Or, you looking in different way on some JW who was dfd for adultery in comparison to some who left congregation by own will because of doctrinal disagreements, etc. Well, when golf club (or school) expelled member (or pupil) from institution, they can feel some sort of animosity or disappointment or even angry on him, but majority of them will not treat him as JW's doing with theirs ex-members.

Perhaps you are medical expert, or working in that sector, but i think how fact that someone is ex-JW can't be connected with OCD. In my understanding, this mental state (OCD) does not come as consequence, result of belonging to some particular group. On other side, belonging to some particular group can result that individual in that group is under power of manipulation and deception ...to believe in false, deceiving things.

As you can see, i made accent with word "shun" on custom of JW org. Shunning is usual practice inside JW org. But we are also aware of some practice when JW's ask dfd member to live the house (not area). Various Gradation of "expelling people" because of religious (and other) reasons is visible in many social groups.

Wording with "worldly View" about JW Club like this is not right way to describe what Human doing, whether they are JW members or not. Human interest is to be curios about many things. How is possible that you read this from my comment? I just made accent how need for questioning, asking, and state of confusing about some issues is normal for those that are "inside".

@JW Insider i have read your post from September 23. To me it seems how all is about those who are "inside" :))

Interesting opinions on a subject those who wrote these pieces weren’t that familiar with scripture. I think how we don't need to have high expectations from San Diego Sun reporter to be "familiar" with Scripture. But that is of no surprise, because Judge Rutherford showed lack of "familiarity" with Scripture too, when he made plans to build Beth-Sarim. "He that speaketh evil of his brother, judgeth his brother; speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law" - James 4 I would go a little further with meaning of this verse you used, and not with obvious verbatim understanding about "not judging other people". Wording "The Law" have wider meaning and not just God's command about what is forbidden and what is allowed to do. "The Law" is in fact entire content of Bible in which is reflection of God's thoughts, wisdom, prophets, lessons, His will, past and future. In that context of wider picture about Word He gave in Bible, i would say how misinterpretation made by anyone, or in this example by WT Society, and particularly by 3rd President of WT, "Judge Rutherford", who gave wrong meaning to Bible verses, we see how he has done exactly what you emphasized is bad. Judge Rutherford is that one who "judged the law" with his absolutely false proclamation (if you want, read this as apostate or perhaps demonic inspired revelation) about "Ancient Princes" who will soon be resurrected and come to be his guest in Beth-Sarim. What is the point: 1) he "judged the law" by giving false meaning to words of God. 2) he (and other under his influence) "judged his brothers" who were not accepted his teachings, in that period. Conclusion we can make today is similar. If GB "judging the law" with error, wrong, false interpretations and "judge you" if you are not willing to accept such ideology, than we have clear picture of modern fulfillment on James 4. :))

:))) Tom, The Only One who says you have to obey err is WT Society.

Of course, it is sad and crazy to shun people because they changed their standpoint, perspective on life or religion. But (almost) every social group doing exactly this same thing. Even "the most religiously advanced and spiritual mature group" as JW members are, doing the same thing. :))