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Well, according to WT published evidence there are few "not faithful and discreet" reasons for San Diego Beth-Sarim house: 1) Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia ... 2) Under a doctor’s treatment, he went to San Diego, California, and the doctor urged him to spend as much time as possible there. 3) Rutherford and his companion brothers have had religious fixation (persistent thought) about Kingdom and resurrection of past people based on fiction. 4) Explanation in magazine speaking how house fully served its purpose, but they must sell this too much expensive "monument". We see how "Purpose" of that building has nothing with real spirituality as Jesus presented it, in his life time on Earth. 5) Footnote in WT magazine said: At the time, it was believed ... This is one more prove in lines of proves, how WT Society and people who run this Organization, inventing teachings and doctrines.

https://web.archive.org/web/20060218124721/http://members.cox.net/tzdaniels/pictures/Time_March_31_1930.jpg It is impressive how Russell and Rutherford doing "fine job" and have been fine example of Opposers to established religions of their period of time. Reasoning book calling this two men as restoration leaders, who Reinstated true doctrines and true religion as it was in 1st Century. But, Jesus, as Opposer to Jew Religion established system, never mentioned that it would be needed to build house with olive trees for Ancient Princes in 1929. As curiosity, what would people say when those Ancient Princes would ask for women. Few for each of them? What was the subject, content of Rutherford's effort to restore, with building house for ANCIENT princes? Christianity or Old/New Jew Kingdom? Comfortable San Diego accommodation in 1929 is Type and Modern Warwick is Anti-Type for GB Princes :)) What about 1931 period doctrines and practices? To what sort of "restoration" do they belong? To which period of time do they belong? To 1st Century Christianity time? If they do belong to that period, why they are not stayed as actual beliefs and practice of modern JW? If Modern JW of our time acting as Opposers to practices and beliefs of Restoration in Russell' and Rutherford' time .... than who is True Restorer of 1st century Christianity inside WT Society and JW org? Does this statement is really valid from today's standpoint? "Their beliefs and practices are not new but are a restoration of first-century Christianity." - Reasoning Book quote

Perhaps it would be more "discreet" to not merge automatically this two elements you talking about: moral standards and by law obligated things to do, on one side, with theological subject/term "Truth" or with spiritual aspects in people's life, on other side. How to explain this? Children in kindergarten (of any kind i assume, religious, atheistic) are not thought, by their guardians ladies, to still, to lie, to curse, etc. other children and adult people. They received lessons to be nice, peaceful, honest, sincere, to share things, etc. By this, they shows qualities as every very moral atheist or very moral religious individual. To what "truth" this kindergarten group belongs?! :)) Or any other religious and non religious group in the world that reflects this moral and not only moral but spiritual qualities in the same time?! Because good moral behavior is based on good spiritual foundations. In this aspect, "spiritual" not necessary including how individual must believe in God. Because God's love and all moral and spiritual qualities is genetically incorporated in individual because of miracle act when God created people. That is why atheist people must not "belong to" particular ideology, false or true, to be bad or good. That is why religious people, must not "belong to" particular religion, false or true, to be bad or good. That is why JW members with their good behavior, not proving automatically how because of their belonging to particular Organization their religion is true. They not proving issue - how specific theology and doctrines is truth itself. It would be good to separate things that are not the same. You don't need to be religious to be moral and obey law in the same time.

We have nothing to say about vacuums. Vacuums are nothing. Vacuums are a lack of anything. Vacuums are cold, empty spaces that make up just about all of the space in the universe. Think about it. Imagine how far the Earth is from the Sun. Millions of miles separate the two relatively small objects. Everything between the Earth and Sun is a vacuum. Don't get us wrong, there is stuff there, just stuff that is hard to quantify or detect. Light passes through the vacuum of space. You've got radio waves, gamma rays, X-ray, IR, UV, visible, etc. There is even stuff called dark matter and dark energy. They are all there. But if you could hold your hand out, there would be nothing. source: http://www.cosmos4kids.com/files/universe_vacuum.html If You believe in God's creation of Universe than you will accept "vacuum" as His creation too :)) He would not "abhor" something that he created. Perhaps "vacuum" you talking about is something bad. But that sort of "vacuum" is Product of WT Society.

I think your experience, impression about @Witness is exaggerated, to be mildly said. :))

Did Jesus regularly visiting Temple and Synagogues, led by Jew Priesthood, and humbly obey lessons given by Priesthood? If He didn't, than we can rightly speaking about that how He rejected Temple and all what Temple representing to Jew people. He expected from people to follow Him, and not Temple and Priesthood in Temple. By that He also showed how He rejecting Temple.

It mustn't be if you change the angle of view :)) But that is not on me to help you. All i can do is to make you think with the words ... even silly one.

Sorry, but when somebody doing buys and sells (real estates, shares and holdings ...etc) than that it is a business. No one of us, and no one of JW member, and no one of GB member are not want to live as Jesus was. Jesus himself gave this advice, instruction: - Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” -Mat 19 Well, here He said, sell, give to the poor. Does WT Society poor? Do GB members poor? If they are not, than why members give donations to Organization, Corporation? According to Jesus' words individual is responsible for finding this "poor" and give personal help. If you want to "organize" help, do it. :)) Jesus didn't give idea how followers have to collect and donate money to Him or to Apostles, for their accommodation, food, clothes, transportation, dentist, solar energy and green roofs ... or for their Preaching Activity. I am sure how there is many "poor" JW witnesses in the world. They need to receive help, not WT Corporations. You know story of average ideology. You eat meat, i eat greens .... in average WE are eating cabbage rolls :))))

Money and Place for worship. What is connection in this two opposite things? What was purpose for money boxes in Jerusalem Temple? What is origin and purpose of "treasury" from Jew ancient times to Jerusalem in Jesus' time? Before money (coins and later paper) came to be meaning for pay, people giving material things as animals, gold, grain, wine, oil and similar valuable things as Offering to God (for house of JHVH - "All the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron are sacred to the LORD and must go into his treasury.” "Then they burned the whole city and everything in it, but they put the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron into the treasury of the LORD’s house.- Joshua 6. And as support or payment for priests. Also as support for God's wars in Israel nation. For building and repairing house for God and also for house for King. For the maintenance of the temple and its ministry. What is purpose of money box that was in possession of Jesus and The 12? For Temple, for some Building where they gathered together? For ministry service, preaching service ....? Who came to idea to carry money box and collecting money and for what purpose? It is something about "the poor" in John 12, but comment made by writer explaining how Judas was thief, in fact. Who are "thief" today in WT Society and in JW org? Who holds, carry "money box" in Organization and for what reason? :)) We must understand something. Where is Money, there is chaos and mess. Money corrupts people.

Very new aspect for me too. By this i would say how WT Society and JW org application about Matt 24 and many events or "signs" that people can see in very visible and factual way have another meaning. Because, Announcing how The year 1914 and The Kingdom as Heavenly Invisible Fact with Physical and Earthly "evidences" visible to eyes, that making entering in some Special period for human, is Preaching Error. Perhaps Matt 24 is possible to use for 1914, as for many other periods in Human History. But Establishing of Kingdom (in 1914??) is not possible to support by "signs", because of reasoning Jesus has told, as you very well pointed out.

What is "good" for a man, woman ? :)) To be without any problem, doubt, etc? To have all we want and consider as "good" in our opinion? Sometimes, to be in trouble, doubt, hard time can be considered as "good" for individual if he learn something and become better person. By this "bad" is also "good" and belongs to God, too :)) As in Job experience. Only after sufferings he learn something "good" he didn't know before and perhaps he would never knew without suffer. What we shall say, is suffer good or bad? In other hand, suffer is "good" only in limited way, and not in everything people have to face. Because, in cases of child molestation for example, as in many others evil things, this sort of thinking, reasoning would be very strange. When people, religious, put theologically, answering the question; Why does God allow suffering? Answers are these from JWorg: First, he has not stopped Satan and those who side with him from trying to prove that they are right. Allowing time to pass has thus been necessary. In the thousands of years of human history, mankind has been able to try every form of self-rule, or human government. Mankind has made some advances in science and other fields, but injustice, poverty, crime, and war have grown ever worse. Human rule has now been shown to be a failure. Second, Jehovah has not helped Satan to rule this world. If God were to prevent horrible crimes, for instance, would he not, in effect, be supporting the case of the rebels? Would God not be making people think that perhaps humans can govern themselves without disastrous results? If Jehovah were to act in that way, he would become party to a lie. However, “it is impossible for God to lie.”—Hebrews 6:18. It is time to ask: If Main question, according to WT publication, is issue of Power and Governing over people, than "proving" who is right and who is wrong have to be settled in sort of Court or Congress, Senate, to be said in such terminology, and not on roads and hills, etc. Also, for second part of explanation. Preventing crimes is not prove of supporting those who doing crimes. Contrary, by active involving in situation you show your standpoint and position, are you for "good" or "bad", especially if you are in possibility to see human hearts and motives and have all wisdom and power.

This is good explanation :))))) Than i have suggestion. Ceremony of "dedication" building to God after Construction team had finished job have to be done again but in reversible meaning. After real estate agent made new contract, Congregants will be gathered in KH for the last time "TO UNDEDICATE" buillding, bricks, roof, grass etc, especially if new buyer is someone from false religion church. It would not be a good thing to remain even the smallest part of God’s blessing to a new owner. :))))

newbie /ˈnjuːbi/ noun INFORMAL an inexperienced newcomer to a particular activity. People who run this forum putting different names (etiquette) under names of participants. They choose etiquette like this: "newbie, member, advanced member". By accusing me on "judging another" you primarily judging owners of this forum who put that sort of "characteristic" and apply such names, titles or nomenclature on all of us here. With such practice in run, i don't see how your objection for my humorous context of using word "newbie" is Judging?! :))

Doctrines and instructions that some Church has as teachings, make that particular religion as false or semi false. I think that we can not find any organization or church as "only true religion" because all of them have at least one or more than one err, wrong, false doctrine/s. :)))) 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be My witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.” - Acts 1 .... you are "newbie" in this ? :)))

This comment tells me, you have lost all faith and your heart has become dark. How to respond to JW member on one of such quote, but by Bible verse :))) Let Bible correct you and your judging other people heart, mind and motivation and outcome in their life. If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,[b] but do not have love, I gain nothing. - 1 Cor. You do, obviously, speaking, not about any religion, but about JW religion as religion that Jesus formed as No 1 church?? By this reasoning, you conclude how only your religion is not false? If He is your Church, why you not called yourself Jesus' Witnesses?? I think how "testing spirits" would be more appropriate wording about sort of reasoning and concluding about my "seeking". Bible support "hate", when we hate what is wrong. Do i need to quote verses about this too?! :))) If you conclude how i hate "human soul" because that "soul" not thinking like me, than you are on wrong path.

.... is this: Love God and Love People as yourself! Clear and Simple. All other theology is less important, or, in many cases (as it was presented) completely useless. Did Jesus died on cross or stake, do you have or not have immortal soul, hell, idols, etc... loosing ALL meanings if you have No Love. What if some day in the future God command people to make ... idols of something and to have it on the top of the refrigerator? Would that be "clarification, refinements" or else? Laws and doctrines and theology is nothing, worth nothing .... in Comparison to Love - The Elementary Thing. Well, all this what we discuss here and there about this and that subject, bring us little, on one hand. But on other hand bring us a lot, because discussion like this help us to see religious fraud. Stay well! Wish you health and prosperity!

@Sean Migos you are not "newbie". :))) Please go to G. Jackson testimony before Australia Royal Commission. He said something that whole word was heard - you are free to disobey GB instructions and doctrines, if you, as one of JW member, find in your personal reading of your own Bible something that your understanding and conscience tell you is different than GB has said. Of course, you will be dfd because of that at the end of a day :))) BUT he, as Legal Representative of WT, JW and GB said, you are NOT obligated to obey Them IF YOU THINKING DIFFERENTLY. In other word you are free to Think in Critical way of Thinking. In other words - to testing spirits - this wording is for those who have issue or problem, if hear words "Critical Thinking"

Circuit overseers gets reports from elders, in theory. Elders gets information from congregants, in theory. Congregants are not ready to talk against organizational preparations and doctrines, in theory. Well, does this "feedback" is based on assumptions, personal impressions and conclusions or even gossips? If proverb is so old, i doubt that children of those time had knowledge what the ice cream is :))))) You give me more importance than i really have. :))

please remove this murdering scene !

Judging? :))

Her motivations ?? If she wants "money" for suffer, what is wrong with that?! If she wants "justice", what is wrong with that? If she want the public "to know" what happened, what is wrong with that? It is not about her motivations, it is about JW Organization, WT Society and GB who, with a little help of WT Lawyers, making policy and instruct elders what to do in cases like this. Please, would you reconsider and reevaluate your emotions. Because "motivation" is in emotions. By asking about her "motivations" we entering in judging privilege that is reserved only to ....... If you believe in this above, about JHVH as final Judge, than i am surprised about even your idea to be suspicious about her "motivations"..... as Human Pretrial of JHVH Trial. :))

JW Elder, Mr Kevin, became famous for this statement. It would be good if WT publish this "experience of Court persecution against only true religion" in Study article :))

When someone forbids JW members to be critical on WT articles, or not to hear opposite view about JW Organization and GB, under treat of rebuke, shunning and dfd, than that can be understand as intention or reality of idea - "rule over others".

This is very good observation. GB are full in pride and self confidence of idea how food they prepare and serve are so good for JW's and non JW's. With expectations that JW's have to trust them because they are worth of trust. About served food. All of us experienced how, when we were guest in someones home at meal, we have been asked; do you like food, is everything tasty, do you need more salt, paper, etc? Even in restaurants waiter asking; is it all good, all right with served food? Self made conclusion by authors of articles (and pictures) how publications and program are "proper food in proper time", or to be more precisely, not by authors always, but by Publishing Company and GB who making last verification and giving "green light" for publishing, not giving that possibility to asking for more "salt" in food. :)) Of course, some people need less and some people need more "salt", so it is also good to notice how food is not possible to prepare, for all this various people, only in one "pot".