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9 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Hey, you just solved your first word puzzle, Congrats!! This came to my stupid head 😂🤣

Ohh, do not worry, this is just for public fun and entertainment. :)))

On 8/25/2019 at 6:02 PM, JW Insider said:

*** w68 8/15 pp. 499-501 pars. 30-35 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975? ***
And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.

This came to my stupid head while reading again about terminology: "6000 years of human creation".

This is very close to wording - Birthday. Birth of Adam and Eve. In that "day" 4026 BCE Adam was "Born".

Timeline

“In the beginning . . .”

4026 B.C.E. Adam’s creation - source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1102009479

Well, it seems to me how WT Society was "involved" in sort of "celebration for Adam Birthday". Why to bring so much attention on Adam Birthday. This is pagan custom. Even to mention when your birthday is/was (only for administrative reasons) may be to understand as promoting idolatry :))))))) 

7 hours ago, John Houston said:

liability insurance for this activity

First time hear about this . How that works, please?

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, only the meek and righteous will inherit the earth.

This are beautiful attributes of personality. Soooo .... it is not important do you (or anyone else) in JWorg or not ?

@BillyTheKid46I found this on internet:

It seems how Structures in WT are well educated in talking about end of the world. :))

23 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

1.    Are you honestly implying the Watchtower is the only organization to reference the 6000 years of human existence?

 

2.    Are you making an argument between creation and evolution?

 

3.    Are you suggesting the Watchtower does not receive God’s Holy Spirit?

1) I don't think how WT is only who believe in 6000 years of human existence.

2) It is personal decision on what individual find reasonable to believe.

3) I don't think how any Structure (Institution, Organization, Religion, Company, Corporation) receiving HS. Only thing to believe as possible is, how person as individual, or as group of people are in position to receive HS.

18 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

One: the Watchtower was referencing the completion of a “prophetic cycle” in 1975.

Do you suggest, how WT can calculate and predict future events because of "prophetic cycles" ? 

14 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

However, by your statement here. You must think the cycle of 6000 years accrues when?

Read more carefully what i wrote, please. I didn't connect "6000 years cycle" with cyclical events of any sort. Science can tell us more about "cycles" in nature, on Earth or in Space.  

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Regardless of how you want to distort the narrative,

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

The only ones distorting that narrative are mentally unstable people that includes, ?Winisder, James, ComfortMypeople, and Anna in this forum.

Do you want to say how i am mentally unstable, too ? :)) ... so, listed name of people are not the Only Ones? :))

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

The point that you are shying away from, and the question was? HAS HUMANITY STAYED THE SAME FROM 1975 TO 2019? Or has it deteriorated from those 2 points in time.

According to Science and Experts on various fields on Human, cells of every organism changed everyday. Changing are at various cycles, from every day (or shorter) to every few years. Looking on your question in that way, Human Not Stayed the Same, all has been Changed. But nature of people Stayed as before, there was good and bad as before.

Also, Events you mentioned are Cyclical. So, that Stayed as was Before too. Quantity of Events? I don't know. Written History is too short to provide us information, and Humankind have no Statistic about all Events of any Sort (for example people have no records about how much rain failed before 756 years in land now called North Texas?).     

Deteriorated? If you ask, such question, people who are in food shortage, conditions are bad. If you ask the same, people whose ancestors were slaves to their masters, perhaps it is better now. 

13 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

If it doesn't matter to you one way or another, then why argue about it. That makes less sense.

intellectual gymnastic :))

7 hours ago, JW Insider said:

One thing is absolutely certain, Bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled Bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of man’s existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation! (Matt. 24:34) This is, therefore, no time to be indifferent and complacent. This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36) To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end. Make no mistake, it is sufficient that the Father himself knows both the “day and hour”!

One thing is absolutely certain, Bible chronology reinforced with fulfilled Bible prophecy shows that six thousand years of man’s existence will soon be up, yes, within this generation! (Matt. 24:34)

I the same time teaching was: This "generation" (of 1914) will not pass away - but Kingdom will rule Over the Earth instead satan's worldly system.

Well, we can ask now: About what "generation" Jesus speaking? And more important - about what "generation" WT Society speaking?

1) About "generation" who will see end of 6000 years of humankind?

2) Or about "generation" who will see the end of wicked system and establishing of Kingdom rule as New Government on Earth?

Revision of history? Or almost all JW of those period misunderstand "generation" issue. Do we have "overlapping generations"? One generation who saw 1914 events who overlap with generation who saw end of 6000 years of human history ? .......and again overlap with  ...................... with overlapping generation of today?  :))

7 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Therefore, if the Watchtower is taking into account future events by secular experts, that's exactly what they are doing.

Ohh, sorry then. I thought how "insightful expertise" and source of wisdom for leading Organization was "empowered" by holy spirit :))

7 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Making it known to the public how secular experts believe the world will deteriorate.

When you say "public" you specifically  mean on JW Community ? Because "this public" was the first who had needed to be convinced and believed in 1975 end, and then with such zealous faith to present the message of end to another "public" aka worldly people. 

Secular experts believe in the same stuff  today too. JW members believe in the same stuff today too. 

7 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

If you compare 1975 with 2019, can you honestly say the world has stayed the same?

I can do compare because i was stayed alive until 1975 ... and until 2019. Generation of 1914 can not compare nothing, i guess.  

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Leave signs of prophecy to those that can see the signs and interpret those signs accordingly.

Obviously i am not in group of enough clever people, but what you present with plenty Awake magazines is this: WT Society worked hard in Spiritual Concepts trying to find answer about The End. With the little Help of "worldly people", listed in various Awake magazines, Organization find  way how to support "1975 Concept" (in their's or in your's interpretation, what ever, it doesn't matter to me, at the end of day). 

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

That’s because you are looking at the Watchtower publications “word for word” when you have to look at them with consistency.

This sound somehow like; all those authors ,of articles and books of WT Society publications, found the way how to wrote all that  material in a Revelation Book symbolism pattern, for only "chosen one" who will understand true meaning. :))

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

The truth is in the Watchtower publications!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Commenting on this is not recommended  :))) 

10 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

That doesn't mean to intelligent witnesses that we are waiting for the Sabbath, the day of God rest to intervene with Armageddon.

I am confused. Do you support WT Society and their doctrines or not ? What ever your answer will be, i respect your choice. But, from your comments, from time to time, from subject to subject, your speaking is not in harmony with JW Organization teachings. :))

Or perhaps, this "Sabbath" issue was changed in WT Theology from 2015 until now?  

1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

For one. You have to understand the concept of a 1000 years is 1 day of God. Therefore, prophetic terminology falls under and within that parameter.

This "Concept" is not fixed, not fixed even from Bible aspect. For in Your sight a thousand years are but a day that passes, or a watch of the night. - Psalm 90.

From this Bible based "Concept" 1000 years is as 4 hours not 24 hours or 1 full day (Jew Concept, 12 hours of day light and 12 hours of night). This would mean how One Day is 6000 years. And not 7000 years as in some Calculations WT Society explained (as time was passed Length of  "Creation Day" had various calculation - 1000 years, 7000 years and as "Contemporary Light of Today" explained, that is: Unknown Period of Time)

Well, basically, if we want to take in consideration all this changes in JW Organization on Doctrines about Time and Periods, you based your "Concept" on WT Society "Concept", ..... and this is untrustworthy.  

25 minutes ago, Witness said:

Prophetic fiascos are not “good works”, but prove your leaders do not have the light of Christ within them.  WT's failures do not glorify God, whatsoever.  One demeans the very persona of God and Christ, to believe they tolerate such lies, from the tongues of those who speak them.    Jer 23:16; Rev 16:13,14

Ezekiel 13 description is amazing about false promises and teachings about future events.

http://www.theocraticcollector.com/1969_-_Awake.pdf

Awake 1969, May 22, pages 14,15  (302 and 303/768)

Author of article, under authorization of Top Spiritual Leadership, "prophesied" how world will end in next few years.

Now and  today you @BillyTheKid46 made claim how GB will never again do the same mistake? :))) And we doing good if we believe you? :))

21 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

What can be said about 1975 that hasn’t been said about 1975? The “fact” people keep misrepresenting what happened about 1975 in a sense that was made clear by the watchtower publication was the objective to a clear narrative about the 6000 years that

5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Don't give me any crap about "it didn't happen".

1975 is what didn't happen. 

4 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

because of the 1975 fiasco, the Watchtower would no longer print such enlightenment.

:)))) such enlightenment 

....but "life-saving information" have to come from WT Society and have to be spread among members despite 1975 err. If they will not do it again (to warn people about imminent end and danger) how and when will people go to basement and hide?? :))

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Suddenly the Watchtower needed to be cops, psychologist, therapist, etc to appease the world and the critics within the Watchtower. They never claimed such expertise, you did! Therefore, they cannot add something that was "forced' upon the Watchtower. 😉

Needed to be? WT Representatives aka Elders already acting in similar kind. They, according to WT articles, fulfill the role of those who are:   

The shepherds and dukes (or, “princes,” NEB) in this implausible army are the congregation elders. (1 Pet. 5:2) Today, Jehovah certainly has provided an abundance of spiritual men to shepherd his precious sheep, to strengthen his people for the future attack of the modern-day “Assyrian.”     

Elders who are reading this article can draw some useful conclusions from the account we have just considered: (1) The most practical step that we can take to prepare for the coming attack of “the Assyrian” is that of strengthening our faith in God and helping our brothers to do the same. (2) When “the Assyrian” attacks, the elders must be absolutely convinced that Jehovah will deliver us. (3) At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith. - https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20131115/seven-shepherds-eight-dukes/

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

They never claimed such expertise

Article claimed how GB (Organization) will provide Life-Saving Direction through Elders. And Elders must stand ready to help...... Well, somebody here have Expertise of sort :)))

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

If you weren’t there to personally experience what was going on, Get off it!

I am witness to some elders comments about 1975. That what i was heard was between 1977 and 1980.

In short, they have explanation why nothing had happened in 1975. Because time gap between creation of Adam and Eve is The Answer :))))  

So, obviously they waiting for Armageddon in 1975 :))

8 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Once again, no one here is an expert.

Agree, no one here ...... and if you don't mind to add, No One in WT Society and in JW Congregations. 

18 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Quite how you have managed to morph a discussion on baptism questions into one on handling of Child Abuse allegations would be an interesting study in itself, but not one I have the inclination to unravel at this point of time.

Anyway, if the topic manages to get back on track and any further points meriting discussion appear, I will be back. But for now, excuse me if I turn to other areas of interest. 

Some participants  made comments on this and on that, what "helped" or contributing to going in some sort of different subjects.

But, at the end of any subject or issue we speaking, about WT Society and JW Organization actions, ending exactly in this wording - "In the name of .....", because, in declarative way, everything what this Organization doing and speaking, supposedly IT IS in The Name of .....GOD. :)).

6 hours ago, Foreigner said:

Therefore, this is a non-argument.

Thanks for comment.

I conclude from your comment how you made argumentation about two sort of "perfection". That is also what i was try to explain and present. And, of course, terminologically, people have various ideas what "perfection" means to them. :)) 

13 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Vise-Grip Pliers

I have it  one :)))

2 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Are you suggesting the apostles and prophets were “perfect"?

I made suggestion how people don't need to be "perfect" to be able speaking truth.

Definition of truth

 (Entry 1 of 2)

1 a (1): the body of real things, events, and facts : ACTUALITY

       (2): the state of being the case : FACT

       (3) often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality

b: a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true truths of thermodynamics

c: the body of true statements and propositions

2 a: the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality

   b chiefly British : TRUE sense 2

   c: fidelity to an original or to a standard

3 a: sincerity in action, character, and utterance

   b archaic : FIDELITY, CONSTANCY

4 capitalized, Christian Science : GOD

in truth

: in accordance with fact : ACTUALLY

In that sense, about idea of "perfection". What are your thoughts about devil and his angels. Did devil lost his "perfection"? Did he lost his abilities as spiritual creatures? In case of Adam and Eve, people said how they lost their "perfection" in meaning: they lost everlasting life, they lost to stay young, they lost continuation to be and stay in "perfect" health of body and mental power etc. 

In that meaning (comparing), what do you think: Did devil lost his power "to fly", be invisible, to making supernatural things of all kind as it is described in Bible? Does his ability to deceive is less powerful (less "perfect")  today   than before? Because, perhaps as in case of interpretation made by religious people - as people are far from genuine perfection of Adam and Eve, they come to be "more imperfect". What ever that is and can be. 

If this is explanation or one of explanations, as reason why people going from "bad to worst",... than it is strange how people today are able to do "more" (more in every sense) than people before, more than people who was "closer" to "perfection", because time gap between them and Adam and Eve was less than it is from people today. 

I can conclude how  "perfection" or "imperfection" is not guarantee for anyone, will/would he speak the truth or not.

Devil spoke lie to Adam and Eve when he was "perfect". His lie happened to be Before God called/give him a name "snake", much before God "dfd" him. In fact, i have to ask: Do you now some Bible verse who give some idea or reason to believe that devil had come been "imperfect" after rebellion? (he became imperfect after the lie was told?)

Adam and Eve also spoke lie, and that was happened before God send them out of Eden. In this examples i don't see nothing, but evidence how "perfection" of all sort, of any kind, does not mean inability to act as "imperfect" (to tell a lie - purposely, for example ...... ) Or to look on "imperfection" as only reason why somebody tell wrong, error statement   :))