Srecko Sostar

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

20 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Later you just made DESCRIPTION about some names in scriptures. And put those names in TWO GROUPS, Inspired and Uninspired Christians. 

You said 2 classes

GROUP:

 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/group

a number of people or things that are put together or considered as a unit:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/group

a number of individuals assembled together or having some unifying relationship

CLASS:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/class

to consider someone or something to belong to a particular groupbecause of their qualities

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/class

a group of persons or things having characteristics in common:

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Christians, spirit led ones

.... this means that it is not problem if you are not "inspired"?  Because you are "spirit led"???  :))) What is this?

 All this what you described looks like this, to me:

top level        1) Inspired

middle level  2) spirit led

lower level    3) uninspired

lowest level  4) all other

Ones again. Give me 1 or 2 Bible verses where is stated in clear and simple words to understand:

A) Paul is inspired

B) Paul is infallible

Just that, not an essay with 1679 words.

4 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

There will be no "overlapping generations".

But perhaps .... "Overlapping Lawyers"

7 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

This is too much—absolutely too much

Well, well.... you addressed your displeasure with @Witness and me. But @Space Merchant  is excluded from your feelings ? :))) 

Do you agree Tom, about idea SM offered in his "revelation" ? Would you be so kind and offer Bible verses on SM claims? Perhaps he is right, but again, he offered no verses that give some possibility to think of "inspired and uninspired" Christians in 1 century.

And especially about INFALLIBLE followers of Jesus. :)) SM speaking about Paul as Infallible : ))) Who will be next??

18 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

On 7/27/2019 at 2:05 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

What evidences and proofs you have to offer us for such claim?

Practically regarding what the Bible says, which is the proof right there.

And this is answer? :))

18 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

As is shown in the Bible, we know that Paul was both inspired and infallible based on what we can pull from his history and what we read about him in the Greek New Testament.

Extraordinary ! Do you want to tell here how (Paul was both inspired and infallible) means:

1) He became infallible because he was accept Christianity  

2) He was infallible because he was inspired 24/7

3) He was inspired because he became infallible

or Paul was came down from Heaven like Jesus and that is reason for his infallibleness :))

And of course, you offer NO SINGLE VERSE that say/quote: Paul was INSPIRED or Paul was INFALLIBLE. !!!!! Maybe such verses exist, i don't know. But you prove nothing - NO BIBLE VERSES - ONLY Practically regarding what the Bible says, which is the proof right there. -  Later you just made DESCRIPTION about some names in scriptures. And put those names in TWO GROUPS, Inspired and Uninspired Christians. 

You can be "academic" how much you want, but so many words you put in comments, without any Bible verse that supports your opinions. And as result of this statement you made: 

18 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

There is no Christian who is inspired today, something of which I told you several times in the past discussions.

i think that i can't believe in your teachings/explanations because: you are not "inspired" ... and you are not "infallible" ! 

5 hours ago, Anna said:

Because they were understood (misunderstood) to be seditious by others. Later, the brothers regretted that they removed them.  The 1975 Yearbook of Jehovah’s Witnesses commented on the incident on page 119:

"After their trialsome period of 1917-1919, Jehovah’s people subjected themselves to scrutiny. Realizing that they had acted in ways that did not meet with God’s approval, they sought forgiveness in prayer repenting of their former course. This led to Jehovah’s forgiveness and blessing. One compromise had been the cutting of pages from The Finished Mystery, this to please those who had assumed the position of censor".

Something from waaaaaay back:

https://www.newspapers.com/image/?clipping_id=8633452&fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjM2NjY0NzE4LCJpYXQiOjE1NjQ0NTExNDcsImV4cCI6MTU2NDUzNzU0N30.DhXaQYCE8_uD4FDAtqv0kWp04J6hh_Iu6xawSYqKZ3o

 

I see this from text.

First, they "Compromise their Neutrality" by Obeying Censor and Not God. :)))

Second, why to speak about Worldly things (wars and weapons and politics) IF they want to be "Neutral" about Politics and Worldly Things? :))) IF someone want to be Neutral about something then He/They Have NO Opinion on something or at least They must "shut their mouth" and NOT to Tell WHAT IS Their Opinion, Thinking, Attitude. :)))) With this behavior you show your "neutrality"!  :)) and not taking sides.

9 hours ago, Anna said:

The government misunderstood neutrality for sedition.

Perhaps The WT Society (as New Government on Earth after Armageddon) similarly misunderstand many ex JW who want to be "neutral" on acts and laws of WT Society. And try to act according to own Conscience. By that they were, in eyes of WT Society, acted as "traitors" aka apostates.

Sedition, crime against the state. Though sedition may have the same ultimate effect as treason, it is generally limited to the offense of organizing or encouraging opposition to government in a manner (such as in speech or writing) that falls short of the more dangerous offenses constituting treason. - https://www.britannica.com/topic/sedition

Sedition is the illegal act of inciting people to resist or rebel against the government in power.

   https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sedition

5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Remember, when the Watchtower uses the term "mentally diseased" it's NOT referring to the sanity of a person, like ALL you dense people portray, but it belongs with the "poisoning of the mind" that is reflected upon one's heart. 😏

huh.... if you sure about that as your personal belief , it is something that is possible to accept. But only as your Interpretation and personal attitude ..... of hope.

Now,  when Writing Department and "Minister of Internal Truth" gave green light on text to be print with wording that IT IS in magazine, your argumentation is not so powerful. Because, all those smart people in Betel and around the Betel who working hard on wording in articles would used different lexis with clear and sound meaning IF they want to tell what you tell here. :))     

15 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

If the Elders were as you pretend, being guided by Bible principles, then how could they keep such disgusting things, dangerous things, unloving things, things that dishonour God, secret ? 

Yes. In fact WHY they have to call Legal Department for advice on - to call or not to call - if Bible PRINCIPLES and GUIDANCE of holy spirit are powers SUFFICIENT for Elders when making decisions? :))

28 minutes ago, Anna said:

The key is for the org. not to claim clergy penitence. That's the answer

If, then, the clergy-laity distinction is not based on the model set by Jesus’ apostles and other early Christians, does that make it wrong? According to the Bible, yes.......

Spiritually older men did, of course, serve as overseers, which included being shepherds and teachers. (Acts 20:28) However, these men were not paid clerics........

Sadly, when people disregard that divinely inspired directive, spiritual harm usually results, and that is true of the clergy-laity arrangement. How so? Please consider the following six points.

1. The separation of a clergy class implies that one must have a special calling to be a minister of God. 

2. The clergy-laity distinction exalts the clergy class, an evidence being adulatory religious titles.

3. A paid clergy class can impose a heavy financial burden on the laity, especially when the former have lavish lifestyles.

4. Because a clergyman may depend on others for financial support, he might be tempted to dilute the Bible’s message in order to please parishioners. 

5. The clergy-laity distinction tends to cause lay people to relegate religion to the clergy, while the laity just turn up for weekly services.

6. When the laity are Biblically uninformed, they can easily be misled by clerics, even exploited by them.

source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102009288

When GB, Elders and WT Lawyers defend themselves before Courts how in JW Congregations Worldwide existing clergy penitence as answer to Judges why they not want to give verbal or written testimony to Court, than all this what was said in Awake is worth NOTHING. We can also discuss some other claims here about this 6 points and found it problematic.   

Dear @Anna answer would not come by WT Society loud public claim how clergy penitence WILL STOP TO exist in congregations. Well, according to Awake that same THING doesn't exist at all in WT Society or JW Church. :))))..... because JW have not CLERGY :)))) ... only on Courts cases when millions of $ are at stake.

59 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

The early Christian Church consist of inspired and uninspired men. Yes Paul was inspired, however, Clement, Chloe, and Epaphras were not

What evidences and proofs you have to offer us for such claim? By which/what standards and methods you came to conclusion who was and who wasn't "inspired"? What Paul is and have done to be called "inspired"? .... and what Clement, Chloe and Epaphras are not and not done that you put them in group of "uninspired" Christians?

Question come for our time. Who are "inspired" and who are "uninspired" Christians TODAY? Give us some names or tell us, where we can find this individuals in places we live today?

Another question. You separate Christians in TWO CLASSES. What is the role of each one class ?

30 minutes ago, Colin Browne said:

The wheels of Jehovah's chariot will never stop making speedy turns in all directions.

It seems sometimes how this "chariot" making speedy turns in ALL Directions IN the Same Time  

1 hour ago, Equivocation said:

He isn't lying tho.

1 hour ago, Equivocation said:

What are the other beliefs that people have about it?

As i understand you Frida, you are young JW member. I am little surprised with your way of participation here. :)) You, as Witness in JWorg congregation have been taught to defend WT doctrines, not to defend religious beliefs of people who not belong to JW religion. :))

Also, if you have some doctrinal/religious questions your congregational elders would be glad to help you Frida.

:))))

Of course, i said this just for fun. You are free to do what ever you want.

18 hours ago, JW Insider said:

These recent Watchtowers have not stated that Spiritual Israel is also made up of those who inherit the earth, but they have gone much further in blurring the line between those with a heavenly calling and those with an earthly calling.

You never know what can be from "blurring". Maybe they prepare terrain for introducing "new light" how 144000 will stay on Earth and rule above Earthly class from much closer distance. 

Of course, this idea would be acceptable too. Because New Government Administration is better to be seen with literal eyes of Subjects,  than with spiritual imagination. :))

6 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

We do not need links, we solely need the Bible.

:)))) 

1 minute ago, Space Merchant said:

Therefore this statement I made is true:

our BOTH STATEMENTS ARE the TRUTH, IN SEPARATE CONTEXT ! :))))))))

On 7/10/2019 at 7:00 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

On 7/9/2019 at 11:54 PM, Space Merchant said:

Animals cannot preach

Balaam's Donkey did, and Stones can preach too, according to Bible

You mean this? :)))))

Again, please go to  https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/preach

... dictionary said what are the meanings of word PREACH. 

3 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

preach

preach

verb UK  /priːtʃ/ US  /priːtʃ/

preach verb (IN CHURCH)

[ I or T ] (especially of a priest or minister in a church) to give a religious speech

to try to persuade other people to believe in a particular belief or follow a particular way of life:

to give unwanted advice, especially about moral matters, in  way:

preach

US verb [ I/T ]  /pritʃ/

preach verb [ I/T ] (SPEAK IN CHURCH)

to give a religious speech:

to try to persuade other people to do or accept something

To preach is also to try to persuade other people to have particular beliefs or behave in particular ways:

Well, preach is not always about Gospel :)))

38 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

your claims?i.e. a donkey and literal stones found on the ground and on walls preaching about Jesus Christ before the Messiah was even born.

39 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Weren't you the guy who said a donkey as been preaching about the coming Messiah?

Find where and when i made this explicit quotes, word by word. :))))) You adding, doing this all the time,  in every new sentence you made, a new "element" of my supposedly claiming this and that. You are comedian :)) and want to prove something that NOT EXISTING :)))

@Space Merchant Bible verses defending or destroying Own statements, and Ideas in Interpretations made by Readers, too.

Accept that if you like. If you don't want, what I have with You :)) Your's and other people comments are free to be read by other people because all that comments are Open to Public. So, if i "jump" in it by my cleverness or stupidity why you are upset so much? Because you want to defend so called "truth"? What "truth" .. in final conclusion? Opinions more likely. :)))   

On 2/12/2017 at 3:52 AM, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

.... that means nose area,

... ears area too :)))

5 hours ago, Anna said:

Well yes....funny....but I was being ironic when I said it 🙂

I was not being ironic, this badges with names will be helpful for sure :))

On 7/8/2019 at 8:16 PM, Anna said:

It might be good if you gave some examples

When we find differences and similarity of this two laws (God's and GB's) and to be able to make distinction about what authority supports and stand behind each "laws", and to be able to give resistance to human "laws", but on other hand to respect Higher Law, examples will be visible to us. :))   

17 hours ago, Anna said:

Then later in 1935 the WT called it a filthy weed and banned it in Bethel but did not try to impose this on the congregations.

"Light get Brighter" only for WT Society Leaders in Bethel, and stopped at Bethel Place. Congregations was left to be in "Darkness Light" of  previous doctrinal standpoint. :)))))   

Question is: Why would God want for minority of His people to know "The Truth" and to be able and in position to offer "unspoiled sacrifice, sacrifice without blame", ...... but for majority of His Flock He don't care and left them to be "unclean" spiritually and physically?? 

Irrational and illogical God? Or people can not understand His strange instructions ....from human standpoint of view ? 

Or, all is about Human Leadership who playing games/experiments with life of people/members/followers.

9 hours ago, Anna said:

Perhaps also it helps the brothers and sisters remember who they are, in case they get a little forgetful

I need this in every day life :))) Memorized is hard task for me.