Srecko Sostar

On 7/4/2019 at 8:06 AM, Anna said:

It still baffles me why this subject (in broadcasting) was even raised.

Destiny for this Overlapping Generation theory is same as to, for example, 1975 issue.  After some period of time WT magazine and JWTV will explain, how some brothers (brotherhood worldwide), in their great zeal, misunderstand what has been published and were read between lines of text (and add own Drawings to Official Picture Drawings) :))) 

which group you belong to

5 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The sources explains Restorationist

Yes, thanks, again :))

But You did not tell me, again  :)) which Restoration Group You belong to? Under what banner You are? 

On 7/4/2019 at 10:47 PM, Space Merchant said:

Does it look like I support Interfaith

On 7/4/2019 at 10:47 PM, Space Merchant said:

And no Restorationist do not support interfaith

On 7/4/2019 at 10:47 PM, Space Merchant said:

the girl herself comes from a family of Restorationist Christians

What Restorationist Christian Group among of all this on Wikipedia, you find is the best for You? If You would be asked to choose one as Your Religion, which one will be?  

On 7/1/2019 at 3:53 AM, Anna said:

The mature Christian accepts they may understand things differently and moves on, and waits till things become clearer one way or another.

Does this mean how such JW person will/ have to preach what GB told him to preach contrary to his Understanding?? Because if so, his trumpet not giving clear sound to people around. In other words, such sound is clear only in the ears of GB but not clear in the ear of particular JW and  "unbeliever". Also, in that circumstances, JW person who is not convinced in such doctrine, spreading "false truth" that  is against his own conscience.  

Or, in some particular examples we have JW members who NOT Preaching (all sort of preaching, inside and outside congregation) that questionable doctrines and instructions. So much about Unity and Harmony of WT Society if members are not happy with some doctrines. :))  

On 7/1/2019 at 4:32 AM, JW Insider said:

On 6/24/2019 at 7:06 AM, Noble Berean said:

"[A mature christian] does not advocate or insist on personal opinions or harbor private ideas when it comes to Bible understanding. Rather, he has complete confidence in the truth as it is revealed by Jehovah God through his Son, Jesus Christ, and "the faithful and discreet slave." (w01 8/1 p.14)

On 7/1/2019 at 3:53 AM, Anna said:

On 6/24/2019 at 7:06 AM, Noble Berean said:

So, under what circumstances would JWs suddenly become aware that their personal ideas on the Bible have weight?

When it's not merely a personal opinion or idea but a clear unambiguous Bible teaching.

On 7/1/2019 at 4:32 AM, JW Insider said:

Another article said pretty much the same thing:

 *** w04 10/1 p. 7 “The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth”—How? ***
 One who is meek humbly accepts God’s standards in all aspects of his personal life; he does not insist on going by his own views or by other people’s opinions. He is also teachable, willing to be taught by Jehovah. The psalmist David wrote: “[Jehovah] will cause the meek ones to walk in his judicial decision, and he will teach the meek ones his way.”—Psalm 25:9; Proverbs 3:5, 6.

 

Own views, personal opinions, private ideas, other people's opinions, unambiguous Bible teaching .....  

In contrary to JW Private views are ..... Collective GB views, opinions, ideas that they marked as Bible teachings :))) 

On 6/28/2019 at 1:54 AM, Space Merchant said:

Restorationist

You mentioned many times in many various topics that JW are Restorationist.

Is this religion? Or some sort of conglomeration of few religions? Do they all teaching "The Truth"? Do they have same or similar "truths"? Are they in some sort of competition among themselves? Do they existing in some sort of mutual understanding and respect? Do they have some "interfaith" dialog?   

i am curious :))

@James Thomas Rook Jr. perhaps Billy is double/triple  agent :)))

On 6/28/2019 at 1:04 PM, Queen Esther said:

JESUS  CAN'T  PROMISE  YOU  ETERNAL, EVERLASTING  LIFE !

 ONLY  HIS  FATHER  JEHOVAH  CAN DO  ❤♥☼♥❤

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one. - John

And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. - 1 John

... but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans

I am the Alʹpha and the O·meʹga, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.......These are the things that he says, ‘the First and the Last,’ who became dead and came to life again: - Revelation

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. {2} He was in the beginning with God. {3} All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. {4} In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. - John

On 5/16/2016 at 7:36 AM, Queen Esther said:

I never allow anyone to cut my own thinking ! ONLY Jehovah❤️

 As a group, we willingly submit ourselves to the direction given by the Governing Body and cooperate with the appointed elders in the congregations. In such ways, we demonstrate our acceptance of God’s way of ruling.- https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2010047#h=22

This much about Cut of Own Thinking :))) Or you belong to rebellious individuals who never allow elders to tell you how and what to do ... in the name of God and Worldwide Unity ??  :))

....... and this quote is not from 1900th but from 2010 :))

On 5/16/2016 at 6:36 AM, Queen Esther said:

We  are  not  in  the  1900- years  -  we  are  in  the  2100 - century....

Sorry to interrupt this way of reasoning you display, because by such logic we can ask, why to talking about Bible and all that stories from old age, .... that were written much, much longer ago than it is 1900th ??  

Speaking about past WT publications contents, shows people of today (JW and non JW)  how shall look like the future for WT Society, and what people can expect from this Organization about teachings and internal rules.

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Try to read the entire article

Rank and file, ordinary people, Am Haarets reading Bible and Clergy say: We shall explain you what you reading and how you should to understand.

I am reading WT article and you say: Let GB and me explain how you should to understand. :))))

Ohhhh man! :)))

21 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

26 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

As "Winsider complains of me not citing the source, how about you do the same. He won't criticize opposer's since he believes they deserve every opportunity to get their licks in when attacking the Watchtower. Especially in areas that he seems to support.

However, that double standard doesn't fly with me, so post your sources accordingly. 😉

 

I don't care for your problems with   @JW Insider   

About Source, mark the text and with right mouse click Search Google for ....and you will find source. :)) 

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402016046  

“We Want to Go With You”

The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah’s Kingdom (Simplified)—2016 January

35 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

12 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

What motivated WT Society as Publisher of religious publications to go with declaration, statement: "We are not inspired?" 

Because clearly they are not inspired prophets, they are spirit led prophets who never claim inspiration. Now you spin your breaks for you were leaning towards them being inspired...

Do you by this answer suggesting, how in the same time here on Earth, beside not inspired prophets, existing also inspired prophets??

And please stop with this WTJWORG Mantra, how people are NOT INSPIRED but in the same time they are LED BY SPIRIT :))) This sort of logic is out of Mind.

Teach me to do Your will, For You are my God; Let Your good Spirit lead me on level ground. - Psalm                                    For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. - Romans                                                                        But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. - Galatians

How does WTJWORG stand is when faced with this meanings of LED? How looks LEVEL GROUND of WT Society? Or are they below ground level, and rowing to surface with constant error  mandate instructions that members have to obey?                                                                                                                                                                                                     What sort of sons they are if they making claims/spread doubt, under spirit led guidance;   Do the other sheep need to know the names of all anointed ones still on earth today? No. Why not? Because it is not possible for anyone to know for sure that these ones will get their reward...  Anointed Christians cannot be sure that they will receive their reward until Jehovah makes it clear to them that he has judged them as faithful... So anointed ones do not think that they are better than others. They know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants. And they do not feel that they can understand Bible truths more deeply than anyone else...They also know that when Jehovah anointed them, he did not let everyone else know about it. So an anointed person is not surprised if some do not believe right away that he has been anointed...Unlike Jehovah, the brothers who count the number of people eating the bread and drinking the wine at the Memorial do not know who truly is anointed. So the number includes those who think that they are anointed but are not. For example, some who used to eat the bread and drink the wine later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems and believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Clearly, we do not know exactly how many anointed ones are left on earth. - JWorg library source

- They know that Jehovah does not necessarily give anointed ones more holy spirit than he gives his other servants...  This Act of/when JHVH Giving His HS, to me means, giving inspiration. It is ACTION that God making to someone, This God's decision to Give NOT depends on some person who wish or want HS, who working in Betel or study Bible 12 hours a day or spend 90 hours in preaching with Tablet and magazines or who just sitting and waiting. Because even Donkey can be inspired and talk God's words. If God can make donkey to preach by act of HS Inspiration why is problem to accept possibility of Inspiration on human who are made on JHVH Image? 

Well, we have here (in WT Society) constant playing with terminology and lexis. We have people who showing their belongings to anointed class, who are, supposedly, appointed by God to be in Leading Position or Governing position as Body, but who denied even small possibility that God is powerful enough to put His Spirit on them and to be Source and Cause. In same time this people tell others to obey and listen to them as to God and Jesus because Organization (Corporation) is, imagine!!, led by this same Spirit, which they denied that have power over them. So we have here Donkey (WTJWORG Corporation) on whom God can put His Spirit, but can not put His Spirit on Balaam (Governing Body) :)))        

8 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

to take ownership

... sounds familiar to idea that GB will be appointed Over All Jesus' Belongings, that means, at least, over All Things on Earth (things= material and spiritual + humankind)

49 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Instead of just guessing, a person might be able to get closer to the answer just by asking @Space Merchant. Assuming SM responds at all, one can see whether a direct YES or a direct NO appears in the response @Space Merchant gives to the following question:

@Space Merchant, Are you now, or have you ever been, one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Until now, as SM and i had conversations, he never said his clear position to this question. I don't know what stops him to tell us to Whom He Belong? :)) He is man of integrity and don't want to lie, but in the same time not want to tell the truth... perhaps he is silent on this because of that reason. 

4 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

referring to Paul as a lawyer

If we take in consideration that Paul has been in Higher Education Program of those time and societies (thanks to God, GB members of those time were not burdened themselves about Education Issue):)) as such was more familiar to Legal Questions,he can acted as "Lawyer" in some matters.  

5 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

If you didn't know that Christians are also prophets and spin it into something else, then it shows on your part. To not know this, to not the know the Bible or what a Christian actually is, I state a again when it comes to hypocrisy, I call em like I see em.

 

@TrueTomHarley please tell me , Are You a Prophet? :))

5 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

I speak against lies. If someone claims someone else claimed inspiration when there is no fact and or truth to that claim, I will refute. You say this because still to this day you cannot even bring up them actually claiming to be inspired, therefore, the loop-de-loop and mental gymnastic games being played by you.

What motivated WT Society as Publisher of religious publications to go with declaration, statement: "We are not inspired?" 

Who asked Them .... Who forced Them .... to take Public Position on this Issue? Who want to know are They Inspired or Not? :))

4 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

7 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

 But nothing here shows a claim of inspiration. No utterance of them claiming to be inspired, in fact, no history of any Restorationist claiming to be inspired. Therefore, your claim is an absolute absurdity.

.....No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. ...

What this sentence expressed? It expressed Idea how All what was written in publications is given by God to the authors of these articles. 

After many years later, the same Publisher, WT Society, claim how All what was written in publication is not Perfect Food and have Errors because Inspiration, Guiding, Teaching, Leading not coming from God. 

Well, please, WHAT Was and Is Expressed in The Watchtower and other publications? :)))) Man's Opinion or God's Opinion? 

On 6/21/2019 at 4:59 AM, Space Merchant said:

That being said, some so called Christian spread their idiocy and claim they are of God and Christ,

Does this statement is applicable to JW's too... because they claim how they are only true religion, and how God and Jesus supporting, guiding, empowering, leading, teaching (only) them, and how WT Society with all other Legal Entities that this Society established is His Earthly Organization and His Possession among all other Nations and Religions??

Don't need to answer !! :))  Because you defending every religion doctrine you find fit to your understanding of Bible and your models of acceptable (i don't think that you are wrong in some of your understanding). And by that you support "interfaith" (something that is blasphemy to WTJWORG), because many religions have some "Common, General, Universal Truths". Otherwise, you would join WTJWORG and become a member of Only One True Religion. :)))

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Our friend @Space Merchant  

The roots of the Unitarian movement lie mainly in the reformation of the 16th century. At that time people in many countries across Europe began to claim the right to read and interpret the bible for themselves, to have a direct relationship with God without the mediation of priest or church, and to set their own conscience against the claims of religious institutions. - source https://www.unitarian.org.uk/pages/history

 

In this description we see how this movement (at least in the beginning) is not cult - like in comparison to some WTJWORG quotes and in comparison to list on page 1 made by @Outta Here . 

3 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

The Org may not have put it into print, but they deliberately spread the rumours about it happening. 

They spread rumors in print :)))

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Some JWs misunderstood

Tell us the names of those JW's who misunderstood, and we shall try to check  that   :))))

6 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Now you are going off into a mental gymnastic firestorm coupled with some mash potatoe'd absurdities.

Here is where absurdities can be found, among other places: 

"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

Dear friend SM, Why you are defending WTJWORG when you are not part of them? I represent my opinions as mine, right or wrong or semi-right and semi-wrong. :)) 

You joined to opinions that are your's or from someone else. Where we going with this? To mental gymnastic :)) 

Our friend @Space Merchant  

The roots of the Unitarian movement lie mainly in the reformation of the 16th century. At that time people in many countries across Europe began to claim the right to read and interpret the bible for themselves, to have a direct relationship with God without the mediation of priest or church, and to set their own conscience against the claims of religious institutions. - source https://www.unitarian.org.uk/pages/history

12 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

Formal education is not denied. Personally, by the experience, it’s a waste of time. Those at the high end of life just need it for prestige and to boast. Those who struggle through life that receive a higher education get NO guarantee they will be successful. That's a myth set forth by ex-witnesses and opposer's. Show me where it's written once you receive a higher education, your life will be transformed to a better life? I will show you stories of millions receiving a higher education that settled with what they could get.

First time mentioned "formal education" was when you spoke about Jesus and rabies. That was about Religious formal education. And you gave final idea how JW's don't need formal religious education, because they are like Jesus. 

After we came to "general education" about all stuffs, including knowledge about some Bible Issues, language, historic events, anthropology and similar.

And now you gave statement how,  you didn't deny formal education, but you came to experiential conclusions. 

-It is waste of every-bodies time.

-Many of your posts are supported and explained by quoting "worldly sources" of people who get Higher Education because of profit, fame and because they wasted own time.

-And while living in own misery of unsatisfied life they wrote books which supports JW's Doctrinal Standpoints.  :)))