Srecko Sostar

"Is the holiday based on an unscriptural teaching?" -https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-celebrate-holidays/

This question from their web is interesting. Because all of us who are familiar with WT history knows very well many of WT "unscriptural" teachings.

Also, all WT teachings together, scriptural and unscriptural, living and influencing in parallel mode the whole life of JW members.     

On 11/18/2018 at 1:25 PM, Space Merchant said:

Well you revealed that have a dog named Frida, if that is the case.

Correction must to give, please. I said how i know one dog Frida. I am not the owner of this Frida dog :)) please S.M. be more precisely in details :)) 

On 11/17/2018 at 4:41 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

:)))))) only Frida i know  is a dog.

Send my regards to your pets (dogs) :))

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

That being said, God's Order has not changed.

Not changed in what subjects, about what? That WT belongs to a group (Restoration Group) of true religions that are closest to Primitive Christianity ? And how all "Order" that this Restoration churches have in their systems is from God??

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

when you speak ill of anyone of God's followers in the bible

Ill speaking ? You are too harsh. I am speaking openly with critical questions, because all characters in Bible are simply human as we are today. Well, if you speaking about me and I about you, and all together (both of us)  about them, we put their life, words and deeds under some sort of the magnifying glass. We have to question and explore to understand better. If sometimes going very far with that, why you worry? Everything will come to their place, soon or later. :))  

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

when all this time I thought she was male

Yes, you are free to have your free thoughts about all. Will you be so kind to tell us: Why you thought, all this time, she was male? What reason you have to thought that way all this time? 

Well, is it possible how your own a predetermined idea caused wrong perception? Not only in gender issue, of course :)))

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

so perhaps read the full response

.... this is for sure good advice, but please make your comments shorter for purpose to be readable in normal space/time framework. Thanks in advance :))

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

for if you are indeed female

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

He never said anything offensive, I recall all discussions on his end. Despite my stance with him I do encourage him to read and research, even tell him misinformation can cause such ones like Witness to stumble and or be misguided, which seems to be the case.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Did you think I was not serious in my own words, Srecko?

Yes you are serious, no doubt.

But if another participant clearly say to you how She is SHE not HE, why you put that in question? You are not showing respect to Witness as female. Why you are stubborn in calling Her as he?

9 minutes ago, Anna said:

Wait a minute, I thought Simon of Cy·reʹne carried the torture stake

John 19:17- Bearing the torture stake for himself, he went out to the so-called Skull Place, which is called Golʹgo·tha in Hebrew.

Mark 15:21 - Also, they compelled into service a passerby, a certain Simon of Cy·reʹne, coming from the countryside, the father of Alexander and Ruʹfus, to carry his torture stake.

Luke 23:26 - Now as they led him away, they seized a certain Simon of Cy·reʹne, who was coming from the countryside, and they placed the torture stake on him to carry it behind Jesus.

No one can be trusted :)))) But here we have two witnesses against one witness. I am pretty sure what (Judicial Committee) decision would be.

Dear Mr. SM

You may not agree with the opinions, attitudes, beliefs of other people. That's your right. As it is right for anyone else here.

But I have noticed that you love/enjoy, when you humiliate other people because they have different thinking than/from your's. You (often) assign them with various depreciatory attributes. Some of us are your targets on daily basis :)))), and your behavior in this manner is not something that can be called  as - The Christian way.  

What I have noticed is this, I do not remember that Witness ever sent you any offensive word !!!

Well, i can see difference between her's Christianity and your's Christianity. :)))

8 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Well if you have mentioned it somewhere before in some shape or form, probably that is the reason. Hence if you are using other social media spaces including this one, someone of that same space must have recognized you and or confronted you before. An there is a saying, once it is on the Internet, people know.

That being said, that deduces the connection - your hands is on every form of media besides this one, so you merely engineered your own unmasking.

Other than that, I have dogs too, 2 of them, a small Peekapoo, and a Husky.

The family love the dogs, just as I love them also.

Own unmasking? :))))))) 

Dogs are best friends,

they are not like some 

people who calls you Frida,

(or calls you with some other attributes, like SM for example :))))))

when you are not Frida but Srecko :))))))))))

Elementary respect in communication with other people, here or elsewhere. But as you said correctly, unmasking.

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

You sure about that?

Yes i am sure as it is surely/doubtless that, for example,  blue color has many variations (color shades) of that same color. So, my like, my laugh, my upvote, my sadness  and other expressions of my emotions and state of mind are not fixed, concreted in only 7 possibilities, putted as options by owner of this forum, for public display of mood that some can show in life.

:)))))) only Frida i know  is a dog. 

7 hours ago, Outta Here said:

9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

who are firmly holding their wrong positions

I appreciate the point you are making here, however that is not the one I am making. My "opinion" on the matter in question is simply that, my "opinion". It is not "wrong" because it cannot be proven either way. It is just my choice of a particular alternative.

Your point takes the matter further in that you are making a judgement of what another thinks is "true" to be actually "wrong". That is a completely different arena.

Please do take in consideration reality about the fact, how not only people who oppose to WT doctrines are the one who talking about WT wrongs. This same WT periodically talking about own previous "errors". That says, how i am not the only one who "making judgement of what another thinks" is true or wrong. WT scholars of today/present time "judging" WT scholars of past time. By doing so they annuls past hard working of dedicate brothers. How they doing this? By introducing "new teachings"!

To using  your expression and way of logic; Both group of WT scholars has done nothing else but showed  an opinion on some, on many issues. Both group are not making any "true or wrong". They just "rowing" .... as You or Me doing now. ;))))) 

And yes, WT also "making a judgement of what another thinks as "true"", and announcing publicly how those "another" are apostate, pagans, false Christendom etc.   

20 hours ago, Outta Here said:

It still doesn't change the fact that the apostasy associated with the two bar cross is far greater than a crux simplex which has not become the brand mark of "Christian" apostasy.

Matter of preference ?

Consider for a moment that cross is true fact. But JW are ready to firmly rejecting this fact ONLY because of reality how all other "FALSE" (apostate?) religions using that fact/symbol for own religious beliefs, doctrines and customs. 

Such idea is similar to those verses in Bible 

Luke 7:31-35 New International Version (NIV)

31 Jesus went on to say, “To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? 32 They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other:

“‘We played the pipe for you,
    and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge,
    and you did not cry.’

33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine,and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ 34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ 35 But wisdom is proved right by all her children.

8 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Just the existence of a possible alternative to the traditional view was mind-boggling to me at the time, and caused me to revaluate many other "taken-for-granted" notions in connection with religious belief. 

8 hours ago, Outta Here said:

So at the end of the day, it is a matter of preference. I prefer the unpopular view.

You put on day light two very good thoughts. They are applicable to all of us, and also to the JW members ( and to WT, GB and others who run the show)  who are firmly holding their wrong positions in some teachings, doctrines, instructions, and views for the similar or same reasons. (taken for granted and preference)

thanks :))

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

He is linking you with them because your reaction to their comments means you agree with them

In general perspective it can be said so, BUT please have in mind that this (your's) must not be 100% correct conclusion, judgement. I will mention here what i have in mind when i put "like" on some people comment. I put "like" on general comment as such. That does not mean how i must be in agree with every word, dot or some aspects inside comment. 

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

with the other guy witness or Frida. 

Who is Frida !!?? 

6 hours ago, Equivocation said:

Not every day a a young guy gives advise to an adult but this one fits the bill. 

So again, ...... Who is Frida? :)))))))))))))) 

Or you need to be given an extra advice?

5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Its better to be a live dog than a dead lion ...... but better still to be a live lion.

absolutely agree :)!

We all was hear expression "it is dog's life" as something that is very hard and not something amazing. 

On other hand, dog as such, will never, never, never come to be a lion. ......And this fact can also be miserable and depressive thing, especially for a dog who dreams to be lion. :)))))

6 hours ago, Outta Here said:

What is? publicising all those personal details you list in a case where the judgement is mistaken?

  14 hours ago, Outta Here said:

what about mistaken judgements?

My comment:  that is terrible bad!

Conclusion:

mistaken judgements are terrible bad

3 hours ago, Outta Here said:

what about mistaken judgements?

that is terrible bad!

6 hours ago, Baruq JW said:

I can not speak for the English language as it is not my mother tongue, but in both French and Italian, no one would use the word hand to talk about the wrists. The hand is one thing, the wrist is another.

In Croatian, word "ruka" (as equivalent (i think) to English word arm), arm is upper limb in man with a shoulder joint connected to the body. It consists of the upper arm, forearm and hand. The upper arm and the forearm together form the elbow joint. And the forearm with the fist forms hand wrist.

When in Croatian we said "ruka" , that can mean all limb (arm) and  also one particular part,  hand (palm, fingers, and thumb=fist). When you shake in greetings you practically moves all limb (arm) but one part making this main meaning, your hand (again "ruka" in Croatian).

Take your hands in the air. (Digni ruke u zrak.)

The friends stretched out their hands/arms (they were giving hands to each other) and then they were shaking hands. (Prijatelji su ispružili ruke jedan drugome i onda su se rukovali.

13 hours ago, Anna said:

I don't know....I will have to try that. But I very much doubt if I made it known that I don't agree with the point made in the What does the Bible really teach book or the What does the Bible teach us book (which replaces the Bible teach book) where it categorically states on page 213  that Jesus did not die on a cross that I would get disfellowshipped or be declared an Apostate. In fact it would be a good idea if this statement was changed, and I may write a letter to Bethel to that effect. And not an anonymous letter, one with my name and return address on it. And I will let you know what reply I get, ok?

Hi. You do not need to declare in all details how you got information's. Just say; some people around me in some situations while talking about Bible, give me some evidence and reasoning about issue, so this was disturbed me and intrigued me in measure that i have to hear from you what you thinking about it. Do you have some new historical and scientific research? Do brothers making any new research on subjects? :))))

5 hours ago, Equivocation said:

@Srecko Sostar Back to your old tricks, Frida? 

example 1) "Those who do not read can hear, for God has on earth today a prophetlike organization, just as he did in the days of the early Christian congregation."Watchtower 1964 Oct 1 p.601

example 2) "So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come? 
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET" 
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet? 
... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses. 
... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom."Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'

example 3) "commissioned to serve as the mouthpiece and active agent of Jehovah … commission to speak as a prophet in the name of Jehovah…" The Nations Shall Know that I am Jehovah" - How? pp.58,62

Prophecy

Definition: An inspired message; a revelation of the divine will and purpose. Prophecy may be a prediction of something to come, inspired moral teaching, or an expression of a divine command or judgment. -Reasoning book

False Prophets

Definition: Individuals and organizations proclaiming messages that they attribute to a superhuman source but that do not originate with the true God and are not in harmony with his revealed will. - Reasoning book

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6 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

Very well worded and to the point. Fabulous comment. Thank you Srecko. 

Thank you John. I was in fear of grammar. Will it be understandable enough. That worried me more than reactions of readers. :))))

13 minutes ago, Outta Here said:

Christians are fully aware of the subtle strategy employed by Satan and his agents to undermine and pollute pure teachings of true Christianity through apostasy,

If you by Christians means only JW, then i would make this kind of observation. JW members in each period of time received and accepted "The Truth" as it was in the specific moment when they became JW.

So, if someone been baptized in 1940 period, for him "The Truth" was been in one shape and form. For those in 1970 period, shape and form looks different then few decades before. For those in 1990 era, "The Truth" also changed shape and form in comparison to generations before, ....and until today same process is going on as well. We can call it "new light", "new understanding", "rowing" or with any other terminology that can arise and be invented, incorporated for justification why new interpretations are better, more accurate than old one.

To connect your comment and mine. Strategy by satan is to much perfidious for humans, to be able aware of apostasy. If JW of 1940 era thought how they clearly saw difference between two teachings and was sure how they had "The Truth", then how is possible that JW from 1970 era saw false teaching about 1940 JW brothers, and how is possible that 1990 era brothers was also been able to detected all false teaching that satan used in JW past periods for purpose to undermine and pollute previous periods of pure teachings of WT? And now modern JW also can see how his brothers from 1990 period was been under influence of teachings that was been undermined and polluted by satan, again.

What if process of never ending "new understanding" is nothing else but constantly present impact and process caused by devil and his influence by which he "poisoning" every "new understanding" in different proportions ?

22 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

But here we see I am asking you for bread, but you continue to hand over to me biscuits, and clearly I rather have bread, even asked you for bread, never once I asked you for biscuits, but that is all you continue to give.

:)))))))) believe me, biscuits are better for you .... in this situation.  

16 minutes ago, Melinda Mills said:

For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored

.... did they used Urim and the Thummim?... have they thrown the dice?

It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us ...

 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us...

The Holy Spirit and we have agreed ...

The Holy Spirit has shown us that we should not...

For it is seen to the Holy Ghost and to us ...

In those times, people of today said so, miracles had took place and ended in 1 century. No more any gifts, no more any inspired words, no more any inspired works. No more inspired writings .... aka publications .... in WT Company :))

So, if Spirit influenced apostles and elders to made decisions, please will somebody say, explain HOW that was happened? How humans and celestial spirits had communicated ....... and made decision ?