Srecko Sostar

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

we can see no claim of inspired prophets, anywhere, whatsoever.

who sees see what is not possible to see :)))

For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

"inspired"

"motivated"

"carried along by"

:))

At least four-five spirits are in existence and have influence:

 1)JHVH spirit   2)Jesus spirit   3) Holy spirit    4) Devil spirit    5))Human spirit   

So, we are living in a World/Worlds with so many INSPIRATION and INSPIRED persons :))))

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Constantine whereas he himself during the Battle of the Milvian Bridge had a vision, had seen a cross in the sky

..... so the story goes .....

10 hours ago, Josué2 said:

Jésus et les premiers chrétiens votaient-i  ?

No, they used Urim and the Thummim :))))

9 hours ago, JW Insider said:

there is no reason for anyone to claim proof or insist on any particular shape based on any of the evidence so far.

... and here comes to surface, to day light our own, personal Conscience Integrity, Intellect Honesty, Freedom of Speech among/inside WT Organization who, with GB, are standing on Dogmatic Standpoint, dogmatic stance that is ready to declare such, a different opinion as apostasy, and to dfd person because of that. 

6 hours ago, Outta Here said:

put bracelets on your hands

Place me like a seal over your heart,
    like a seal on your arm;

7 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

@Witness I will ask you a 3rd time. Give me the actual claim that they said they were inspired prophets.

I stated before twisting things in your favor does not equate to the claim of which you are accusing them of, I asked for inspired prophets, you bring up prophet-like organization when it is already know most Non-Trinitarians claim they are the True Church, but we have yet to see JWs, or ANY non-Trinitarian make claim to inspiration.

So I will ask you, @Srecko Sostar and @JOHN BUTLER

As I see from quotations from WT publications that was brought on day light in Witness posts, it is understandable how GB class view themselves and their Organization. They see themselves as God's Spoke Persons, as Representatives, as Ambassadors, as Substitution instead Christ, as Prophetlike Organization, and logically if Organization is Prophetlike, than must exists people in such Organization who are Prophets in some or any sense of the meaning of this word Prophet. (for example if JW leaders and members as whole group talking and teaching  people, how future brings this and that, all who "preaching" such things are not only people who speaking about what they personally believe, they are not only messenger, agents, but sort of "prophets" too. No matter did they or did they not, personally or as group, source alone of some claim about future or just making repetition from Bible "prophesies".

Next thing. Bible said how we have two sort of "Prophets" and two sort of "Prophecies". True and False. Well, in  fact, no matter in what class some "Prophet" and "Prophecy" belong, he or she is "Inspired" by default. Because "Prophecy" as such must be "Inspired", otherwise it is not "Prophecy".

Logically follows the conclusion: Any person or group (as single or if belong to some organization) who talking about what will be, what the future brings , are some sort of "Inspired Prophets". Because person is and must be "Inspired" or "Motivated" to bring such stuff to other people.

Is some "Prophecy" false or true ?? This is another story. :))))))

      "Political leaders often end up being “false prophets” unable to fulfill their promises. Of course, not every ruler turns out to be a “Hitler,” whose promised “thousand-year reich” proved to be a disastrous 12 years of misrule. ... A very prominent political “prophet” of our present century was the League of Nations, formed in 1919. It foretold a world of lasting peace. But World War II unceremoniously dumped it into a pit of inactivity." Awake! 1981 Dec 8 p.14

In this Awake article we can see how far WT Company extends,  stretching the meaning of the word "prophets" and "prophecy". If you give promises to someone you are Prophets. Interesting! :)))))))))))))))))

Many people wish, want to know what is, how looks Context about some issue. That is because of reason to be able to understand more and better some issue, and if they have to make some decision about to be sure they will make good choice.  

Here is example how WT "scribes" manipulates with Context !!!!!! 

Please, if you know some more examples about similar "intellectual dishonest" give example   

2 minutes ago, The Librarian said:

@JW Insider @Srecko Sostar etc.... please start new topics for your ideas....

This topic is now all over the place.

Thanks.

Ok.

I will start new with topic about CONTEXT. 

greetings!

LITTLE Appendix for those who want presence of so called Context.  Here is example how WT "scribes" manipulates with Context !!!!!! 

11 hours ago, Anna said:

My personal view is there is no reason it couldn't have been a cross,

I agree with your personal view. Give me permission to remind you how Watchtower OFFICIAL teaching is stake, torture stake and nothing else. Because cross is pagan symbol and JW not support nothing that has pagan origin.

You walking on red line of dfd. :)))  

10 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

The GB doesn’t make human rules

Do you really want to believe it? :))

4 hours ago, Outta Here said:

11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

For this command you not need any other verse from Bible for purpose of some so called Context. Is this OK with you?

No not at all. Context is everything.

Please, what extra clarification, through  context aka additional Bible verses aka contextual support people would need to understand this command about not eating animal blood? With what other Bible verses, you think you have to, you need to, to give more explanation for purpose of understanding. Command is clear in his words, only what people need sometimes is answer on question, Why. But here at the moment we not need answer on Why not eating blood, but we discus do we need extra CONTEXT about one Bible verse. Context means to have more Bible verses (not only one) who support one verse and idea in that verse, that maybe is questionable or unclear. 

In question on blood and procedure of blood transfusion i would ask, What context in Bible show us that transfusion of blood in medicine treatment is under ban, is under command of not eating (or drinking) blood? What Bible context can be used to clarify that?

You say "Context is everything".

Please give us Context. BUT Context, NOT Interpretations. Not possible meaning and Not possible application. 

I am not supporter of eating or drinking blood, for sure. But we also have to know how some people eating flesh of some animal, in one part of the world, and this is something disgusting for people in other part of the world. Same was been with old Israel nation. God forbidden them not only to eat blood, but also to eat some animal meat, flesh, or forbidden to eat some part of animal flesh that was given for food. Later, that same God showed how he do not care what animal you eat, and what parts you eat (clean or unclean). Ban was connected to nutrition, feeding. Not with medical methods of healing.

2 hours ago, Anna said:

When the Bible talks clearly about certain fundamental things like the future for mankind then I would hope that was correct enough for me to try and impart that same hope to others, in this wicked hopeless world. 

When the Bible talks clearly about ... and when you or me or someone else believe that with all our heart .... it is understandable you want share that hope with others.

2 hours ago, Anna said:

I think it's kind of simple. The GB have decided they cannot be dogmatic and claim what God's thoughts are on fractions one way or other, so they have left it up to the peeps.

Apologize, but what does this mean,  The GB have decided they cannot be dogmatic and claim what God's thoughts are. They doing that all the time, open publications and you will see how they impute such thing to Jesus, for example, while explaining this or that doctrine. 

"They decided"?. Please when and how they DECIDED not to be dogmatic. Did they making public statement about own Dogmatism? Or JW members get this impression how GB are not dogmatic any more as they been before?   :))

3 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

JW members reacting if they, as persons with ability to understand things too,  blindly follow the human rules.

This would imply, the lack of respect for local laws.

Billy! Title of this post, heading is about "The Truth...." All here, old enough as JW members, very well know what means phrase "The Truth". This title  "At what moment "The Truth" has ceased to be "The Truth"?"  was intentionally created to give possibility to speak, to give comment on various and very different subjects as someone wish, but all that have purpose to show how many issues is possible to open and questioning and commenting under "The Truth" title. 

But please, be concentrate when you respond to some comment, in this case mine. I clearly and directly connect Governing Body aka GB with human rules that is created by that same GB ....and NOT talking about secular, or local laws as you said. 

So, to clear it for purpose of issue. If GB making rules are those rules under warning that Jesus and apostles named with "human rules and commands"??  (Mark chapter 7 + Isaiah)  

⁸ You have stopped following God’s commands, preferring instead the man-made rules you got from others.”

5 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

7 hours ago, Outta Here said:

" We never are definitely right, we can only be sure we are wrong."

It depends on the context of what is being discussed.

That is a philosophical aphorism which is true in a general case, for most things, most of the time.

There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth: not going all the way, and not starting. 

I cannot teach anybody anything; I can only make them think. 

You can ask me to look for the truth, but you cannot ask me to find it. 

7 hours ago, Outta Here said:

10 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Question is, in what context GB put, push verses

I do not understand this question at all.

For help you what i mean by GB context. Example; Bible command say: Do not eat blood. Very simple imperative, almost nothing else is need to understand. For this command you not need any other verse from Bible for purpose of some so called Context. Is this OK with you? If you respond with YES, i will continue. 

6 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Your ability to quote such scriptures would seem to indicate your ability to understand them in context and correctly.

Thank you, but i am not talking about my ability. Question is, in what context GB put, push verses .... and how JW members reacting if they, as persons with ability to understand things too,  blindly follow the human rules.

If we cut an apple in 4 pieces, 4 parts, are this 4 still an apple?

If we cut this 4 pieces of apple in more 4 and have 8 pieces, are they still an apple?

If we putt all this 8 parts or whole apple in blender, result will be.....? What? :))))))) Drink for apple lover.

18 minutes ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

I asked a question earlier, where is the practical and impractical application with feminism?

Sorry, but what my comment have with "feminism" issue. :))

1 hour ago, BillyTheKid46 said:

he reasoning of a perfect and sensible person. Follow this person.

Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

46 minutes ago, Outta Here said:

agree that unfulfilled expectations as a result of believing human speculation is indeed far from encouraging. Yet the Scriptures, (true prophecy), long counselled against this tendency and warned of it's results: "Do not put your trust in princes nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation" Ps.146:3; "Expectation postponed makes the heart sick" Pro.13:12.

It is amazing how Bible itself, and of course, especially  with help of interpretations made by church leaders and bible scholars, making confrontation inside book itself and inside people's mind. 

Obey your leaders and submit to them, VS Do not put your trust in princes nor in a son of man,

for they are keeping watch over your souls VS who cannot bring salvation

11 hours ago, Anna said:

God's spirit   motivating us

Hi!

This sound like new way of expression, some kind of introducing new, different way of talking about same issue by GB.

Instead "we are inspirited" he say "we are motivated".

Tomorrow, perhaps we will hear not only this "we are not inspired", but also

" we are not motivated"  (we are currently indisposed)

:))))

2 hours ago, JW Insider said:

You should pay closer attention to exactly how SM answered this

On my direct asking (at least two time) to identifying self about his religious affiliation, he made  maneuvers of avoiding to answer on this. If he is JW perhaps he find it useful to "anonymously" as outsider, as JW "sympathizer"  defending WT Corporation. Sort of "theocratic warfare". :)))

On other hand, in general aspect, every "true" JW will found good to give public testimony/witnessing, and own public recognition as one of JW. Especially when many of participants here using "fake" names, or some substitution for personal name as some name of special meaning to them..

I do not want to talk about him and his motives. That is not polite, at least.

Well SM if you read this, you see that i control myself and not speaking nothing bad about you..... Greetings! :))

2 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

But you and Butler do not believe in educating our children to better themselves, therefore, stuff like this will happen.

Bravo SM ! What to expect from you SM, than your purposely attempt (stab) in redirecting responsibility of world biggest problems on individuals who are not suite to your Restoration normative (Butler and me and similar to us).

Your repetitions about what was previous comments of mine are and over and over again quoting what is said by this or that person is quite numbing.  Using such anesthesia is not useful in my case. Apart from proving that you have a good memory, the constant repetition of what was and when was someone had said something, does not show anything positive about you. :))