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16 hours ago, Thinking said:
true apostate
well does this means how also exist false apostate :)))) and something in a middle of true and false ?
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18 hours ago, Thinking said:
what would you have done if you knew about David’s sin....how would you have sorted that out????
Thanks for this question. Many years ago similar questions went through my mind, about what David's servants and people around him and Bathsheba feels and thinking when they had passively and actively participate in that scandal, affair. What power forces them to be involved in wrong deeds of prominent persons in their midst? Many levels in hierarchy, family members, counselors, personal servants, other servants, elders, military leaders, religiously important persons and many others. All of them knew something, heard something, witnessed to something, not done something, ....and many more to tell and to feel.
Live that to your imagination, because it is not simple to me to express all thoughts and feels. Just to tell at the and -----draw some parallels to modern time, and you will see how all is the same. Everything is repeated cyclically. :))
- BillyTheKid46 and Thinking
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6 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:
The Watchtower doesn’t need the government to tell it what to do
This is contrary to Geoffrey Jackson deposition before ARC in 2015. He told then that would be easier for GB and WT if Government made clear statement what they as secular ruler expect from JW Church aka GB and WT
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5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:
However, the point of the greater good is being missed
I made comment about Education and Money Contribution. Greater good to who/whom?
5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:The Watchtower is not telling anyone what to do, they are merely suggesting what the joy it is to serve God properly.
Yes they telling members what to do by repetitive suggestible words in printing, pictorially (cartoons, movies) and in verbal ways.
5 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:It comes to this; do you prefer a child to use their ice cream money to contribute to helping others? Or would it be better for children to be exploited by buying a violent video game?
No no! You used the wrong way of illustration. Using these two extremes, you, intentionally or accidentally, directing the reader to go to the wrong way of thinking and to make wrong conclusion.
In first example, ("to use their ice cream money to contribute to helping others") a child can buy ice cream with that money and share it with another child and thus trained to show generosity and selflessness. Or he can save the money he receives from his parents and donate money or a gift to someone who does not have enough. Donating Money to WT Corporation is not an act of helping the poor or others. Helping the poor was one of the great features of the church in the 1st century. Charity position and not paying taxes, of WT and all sister Companies around the World, because of such status before secular government, not making WT real Charity institution, as one who giving people of all sort shelter or food or clothes and similar. Watchtower, JWorg and CCJW (to mentioned this few), as worldwide famous entities, are NOT Charity in true sense of what word charity means.
a system of giving money, food, or help free to those who are in need because they are ill, poor, or have no home, or any organization that has the purpose of providing money or helping in this way - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/charity
Furthermore, as a second part of the illustration you mention, ("exploited by buying a violent video game"). This would mean that JW parents would be in position to finance their children for purchasing such games and how such parents do not care what their children are doing or that they are irresponsible and negligent because they allow their children to buy bad things, or how they are easily subject to "worldly" influence and the influence of the trading world and consumerism.
Do you think so about all JW parents or just for some of them?! If yes, why that? Because by giving this sort of illustration on JW parents and their children, you put a bad light on the JW family as people who will spend money on bad things if they do not donate it to the Organization. :)))
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9 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:
The GB is not there to do the parents job.
I can agree in many you have said. But JW Church want to play enormous role in life of members. In important religious things as well in private decisions of member.
You can recall in memory cartoon with Sofia (i guess) and Sunday meeting and contribution her Ice-cream money for Church. Here is one eclatante, obvious example of teaching children directly from GB (church, elders aka hierarchy). That is inadmissible interfering in parents responsibility and family life. And that is not good.
Education is another issue in what they (GB) want makes strong influence on members without any "legal" aka biblical permission to doing that.
So, it seems how Church Leaders also don''t know, or purposely do not want to know, what IS their "business" and what is NOT. Or, in case of child molestation's and family violence want to "wash hands" as Pilate has done.
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5 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
only God's Kingdom can clear all that
Ok, that is nice hope. What is the reason that God's Kingdom watching all these misery, pain and tears of children who suffer? And do nothing? (waiting to see would your possible respond will be the same as WT publication explanation :::)))))
Next. You said GK is ONLY who can clear all that. So, in other words it is the same as you or someone else say how all efforts that people doing is in vain, useless at the end of day.
By that logic, God will not blessed or guide or inspired nothing and nobody in their efforts that this monstrous and evil problem be "solved" or at least minimized. Because, all blessing is on future Kingdom and not on this, today human now living on Earth.
Out of this subject. But you are talking so much of JW as "Restorationist" christian group. Web provide me this:
"Restorationist" denominations include:
The Christadelphians,
The Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),
Churches of Christ,
The Community of Christ,
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS),
Independent Christian Churches/Churches of Christ,
International Churches of Christ,
Jehovah's Witnesses,
Seventh-day Adventists,
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons)
etc.
I am not sure that JWorg would be happy to be in same "pot" with this other denominations. Because, according to WT only JW teaching "the truth", and no one else on this list :))
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12 hours ago, BillyTheKid46 said:
Psalm 72:4
I found only this verse mentioned "Children" , and how "King" is asked, called to protect them.
But i was hoping that you would give some Bible verses where children are instructed how to deal with molesters (of any kind).
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3 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:
Well the thing is Srecko, I am not talking about JWs, I am talking to you, directly,
but i am talking about JW, Bible and issue
but i am talking about JW, Bible and issue
perhaps bigger font and color will help :=)
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16 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:
where have you been Srecko, under a rock for all these years?
yes, 40+ years in JWorg .... and it can be said -- it was under some sort of rock :)))))))
be careful, this is cryptic rocky message :)))))))))
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3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
one of these solutions is to educate our children on this matter,
Can somebody give evidence --- what is Bible teaching about issue of child molestation inside christian (JW) congregation? In other words --- HOW Bible educate children about pedophilia?
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About SM calling for JTR and my respond.
People today need some strong, courage and independent men like Abraham and David. For sure they would know how to handle situation SM described.
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2 hours ago, Equivocation said:
As for the odd unknown Language I tend to post, I do so so that no one recognizes what I say for a reason. If one can diciper it, good on them because I tend to keep such cryptic so I give you a freebie
funny, SM calling me "cryptic" .... so here i am not alone :)))))))))
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What Happens When A Couple of the Opposite Sex Are Alone?
What happens When a few brothers stay with opposite sex (sister)? I heard from one elder many years ago how that was situation between few brothers and one single sister in swimming pool. I can not believe myself until today was that really happened, but this elder said that to me with all seriousness how all of them have sex with that sister. Not know about final outcome.
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48 minutes ago, Equivocation said:
Old and New, New and Old. The GB has never claimed to be inspired and those who say otherwise only proofs true to the very lies they drown themselves in. The hypocrisy and the misleading, but people who know what is true and what is false will say something.
My point is that we should have a little talk about the term "inspired".
First we should come up with an answer on what type of "inspiration" the GB speaks. As for the religious people who govern the believers, then we can safely assert that GB actually claims that they are not inspired by the divine spirit.In what sense of inspiration? In the sense of what is often used for written Bible text and its source, these are verses like - 2 Peter 1:19-21 and 2 Timothy 3:14-16. GB denied such divine inspiration for written and verbal text that coming from GB members mouth, or in extension, all what is produced as "spiritual food" by means, with help, through WT Company or JW Organization as god's chosen organized people who doing His will.
Now let us see something about word "inspire" (and all forms that come from this one).
few from dictionary:
to make someone feel that they want to do something and can do it
to make someone have a particular strong feeling or reaction
to give someone an idea for a book, film, product, etc
to fill someone with confidence and desire to do something
If something or someone inspires something else, it causes or leads to it
As we can see to be inspired can came from various sources. And all sources are normal (if they are normal :))))). If you as JW member listen to Conventional program and hear some bro or sis how they are happy in missionary service, how they meet many interesting people, saw beautiful scenery of nature and many more and after you heard that you want to be missionary .... Who INSPIRED Who? Nothing is wrong to be INSPIRED.
If you read some book, watching TV, movie and something move you aka inspired you to say something, to do something ... it means you are INSPIRED. If God from heaven tell you to say, to do something, it means you are INSPIRED.
When GB of JW say how they are not INSPIRED what that means? Not inspired by spirit of God, not inspired by other people spirit , not inspired by own spirit??
How ever they claim, state, quote how they are not inspired, they are in fact want to say how GB is not RESPONSIBLE for nothing have been said and written. That is main reason for defending themselves with phrase "we are not inspired".
Inspiration is divine gift. And was given to all people. Or better to say some will found that and some will used that. :))) Not only for religious purposes!!!!!!!!!!!
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33 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:
Insert several dozen scriptures here ......)
When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he called out the 318 trained men born in his household and went in pursuit as far as Dan. 15 During the night Abram divided his men to attack them and he routed them, pursuing them as far as Hobah, north of Damascus. 16 He recovered all the goods and brought back his relative Lot and his possessions, together with the women and the other people.
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10 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:
For some of us there are emotions / feelings in between Love and Hate.
We should love our neighbours, but can't say a i do. I tend not to get involved with my neighbours, but i do consider their feelings when i do things outside of the house. So in my opinion showing consideration is a way of showing love, but in an indirect way.Â
For some people, those that have had a good upbringing and have been shown love, it is probably easier to show love to others. But when life has kicked you down for more than half a century then showing love becomes more difficult. God understands all this of course, but never expect people to understand.Â
I show 'love' to some people by just completely ignoring them. Well it's better than doing them harm
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Hate, I think we all hate something or someone at times. We are all sinners and fall short in many ways.Â
But you know the things i hate, no need to repeat them again.Â
Thanks for respond. Question is very hard to answer in full measure, with complete sincerity and openness. But, this is not environment to be completely open on every aspects of own private life. I truly appreciated your sincerity John and contribution you made by brave comments and experience you went through. Â
First and only sincerity one must show,Â
is in front "mirror"  when we looking own face, literal and spiritual. Would we go so far and tell some "secret" feelings and thoughts? It requires more faith and courage than of many who have been called "people of faith".
"The Truth". How widely meaning and many areas are covered in this word.Â
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45 minutes ago, Josué2 said:
Désolè je ne vois trop le rapport avec ma citation des paroles de Jésus.
Please, give some example how looks your hate and your love in everyday life .... :))
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- So David rose and he and his men went and struck47 down among the Phi·lisʹtines two[i]hundred men, and David came bringing their foreskins48 and giving them in full number to the king, to form a marriage alliance with the king. In turn Saul gave him Miʹchal his daughter as a wife.49
If you like, please skip all that intrigues between Saul and David and fighting for power and prestige. I am not interested in background about problems that those two individual had among them. It will be very good to see and understand what in this act is precious for Christian today to imitate when they found themselves in premarital period, about money and material issue, new family bonds, .....
In this and other stuff about David we found description - And David was continually acting prudently in all his ways, and Jehovah was with him.
According to this statement it was ok to kill 200 people, even enemies, as price for bride. Bloody money, we would say today. Nice beginning of family life. Miʹchal, Saul’s daughter must be very proud and happy when heard about trophy David has won, collected. It seems how such way of living was the best and only possible if you want to survive in such society. We today are too much meek in comparison to manly, macho individuals as David.
Well, we have two messages from Bible:
Be meek like Jesus (read - let people spit on you)
Be prudent like David (read - don't mess with me).
... now please would someone give context of this two teachings :))
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7 hours ago, Thinking said:
You are seeing what you wish to see....still not seeing the big picture...
....maybe, but your comment is picture you made :)) ... and that picture put such impression on my mind
... anyway, thanks for good intentions!
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11 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:
Genèse 29:30-32
Jacob made love to Rachel also, and his love for Rachel was greater than his love for Leah. And he worked for Laban another seven years.
When the Lord saw that Leah was not loved, he enabled her to conceive, but Rachel remained childless. Leah became pregnant and gave birth to a son. She named him Reuben,[a] for she said, “It is because the Lord has seen my misery. Surely my husband will love me now.”
Here we have some gradation, degrees, in feelings of love. (Hate can also have gradation)
greater love
grater than
not loved
In one moment we have information (inspired information) how Jacob was not just showed LESS love to Leah, but inspired report said how Lord saw that Leah WAS NOT LOVED. Here we have very different conclusion. Not loved at all.
Is it possible to say how sometimes when somebody say, I love my dfd family member less, in fact means -- I do not love him/her at all?
What literal message is here in Genesis? If you have two women in your life and you dare to love one less (or not love at all), than God will punished woman you love more. Or do i missed something and not saw some greater Context? :))
In next post/comment i will put another example and ask you to find a context and lesson for 21 century people.
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11 hours ago, Josué2 said:
Matthieu 6:24
Matthew 6:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
What is your message?
Is it this?
God=master. Money=master.
You hate God but love money. Or. You hate money but love God.
You will be devoted to God and despise money. Or. You will be devoted to money and despise God.
If one of this is in your life, please give some example how looks your hate and your love, on money and God. :))
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9 minutes ago, Josué2 said:
Il voulait plutôt dire que ses disciples devaient aimer moins les membres de leur famille que Dieu (voir Matthieu 6:24). Dans le même ordre d’idée, la Bible relate que Jacob ‘haïssait’ Léa et aimait sa sœur Rachel, autrement dit qu’il n’aimait pas la première autant que la seconde (Genèse 29:30-32).
OK, i can "swallow" this interpretation and make careful agree with idea you present, BUT when you say "to love less" what you really mean by that? What is truly, actually everyday way how you and other JW member SHOW this "less love" ??!! And what when your family member decide not to be JW or stop to be JW?
According to WT, "to love less" means not to pick up cell phone when dfd daughter call her mum. And that is shameful !! Is it that what you mean by "to love less" in religious sort of thinking?
For me, that is out of mind and brutal, that is destruction of humanity, it ruins the natural conscience and creates an artificial people, insensitive robots.
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29 minutes ago, Thinking said:
The apostles also believed errors.
29 minutes ago, Thinking said:Jesus ALLOWED that error to be believed
29 minutes ago, Thinking said:yet he deliberately chose for them to go on believing that lie or mistaken belief
30 minutes ago, Thinking said:we have assumed wrong things...taught wrong things...some really major stuff ups actually ...
31 minutes ago, Thinking said:since when has his people ever been with out errror.
31 minutes ago, Thinking said:it’s a pattern we have
35 minutes ago, Thinking said:You have put too much faith in Men my brother.
Dear Thinking and final words of Yours is:
32 minutes ago, Thinking said:what you wrote above is all true...logical
Thanks!
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thanks for respond :))
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At what moment "The Truth" has ceased to be "The Truth"?
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Thanks for link. But i do not see what is on page 76 about G.J. quote. Please help.