Srecko Sostar

Watchtower logic is like this: What we told and what we teach is true. Now we just have to wait for new information's that will prove opposite or different. Meanwhile, all who would disagree with us must go, in this way or another. :)))) haha .. for my opposers

Well said Allen! And what to think about "water of truth", for free, without no charge, to buy without money and without so called "copyrights", that Jesus promised to all, and that have to be available for all, for people to be able to get everlasting life ::))) What a funny reality, what a parody, what a shame to trade with "The Truth". And all in the name of Law, Secular, Worldly Law. But when Secular Law said give us documents about this and that, then WT said, we must obey god more then you :))))))))

... dear Anna, if you open NWT Bible on page 1578 and 1579 (in Croatian edition 2006) authors of translation quoted how John (apostle) wrote 1,2 and 3 John in a year cca 98. So, book of Revelation is the book that placed on last position of Bible, but last written was those 3 letters, not Revelation, according to WT. That is what John Butler noticed about comment you gave. And that is just that. Nothing more. Not John Butler not me made up things about this issue. We just read NWT Bible and check information about "last" inspired words that found its place in Bible books. By the way does anyone know what was the name of that Catholic Roman Pope who ccollected "inspired" books and letters and then decide what one of all will be part of Bible - Catholic Bible of course. Later came Protestant Bible. And later came NWT Bible. And in the middle there is many other Bibles too. :))

Thanks to heaven, people have no power to read other people mind and motives. But, thanks to heaven too, other people have power to be suspicious about other people words. Also to be stubborn and persistent in that. :))))

I am like Moses, man of few words, not know how to talking. Even in my Croatian language i spending day in less talking than other people. In English i have problem with grammar and structuring Croatian way of sentences to English way. ;))) So, please accept my apologize for that. This is me, ....you can kill me but this is me :)))))

No problem with your explanation and human characteristic . Point is other thing - Deliberately or not, SIN IS SIN. That is all what is about in what i have to say about Bible viewpoint and what most or some religious people believe about human deeds and sin. If people decide that deliberately sinning must be punished with this and that punishment, they will do it. If people decide that unintentional, mistaken sin must not be punished but to forgive, they will do it. :)))))))

odor...preaching....one issue. Armageddon, as bible scholars explaining is The Day of JHVH. Seek Jehovah . . . Seek righteousness, seek meekness. Probably you may be concealed in the day of Jehovah’s anger.”—ZEPHANIAH 2:3. Look! The day of Jehovah is coming, Cruel both with fury and with burning anger, To make the land an object of horror,+ And to annihilate the land’s sinners from it.- Is 13:9 Woe to those who yearn for the day of Jehovah!+ What, then, will the day of Jehovah mean for you?+ It will be darkness, and not light - Amos 5:18 If you want to enjoy in the day of Armageddon, let it be your's. :)) Mindset... hahahaha Do you like WT publications with scene of Armageddon? What looks regenerate in them? And what prospect of life is in it? You have faith of surviving, good for you, but no one promise this outcome to You, not even JHVH.

Was he last or not no one knows for sure. But You believe he was last. And i respect your belief.... even with  symbol

Something not seems right, good and healthy in such way of thinking, to me of course. Dedication to god, even in JWorg world, must be the happiest and most important day of your life, because you choose LIFE in Jesus and his father. YOU CHOOSE LIFE ...... NOT Armageddon, ......because Armageddon is destruction and death. Perhaps that can be good in some sort of circumstances or when your days of calamity come on you, not because of Armageddon has come, but because of worldly events and unknown reasons, because something bad just happened in your place of living.

Not if they believe what they say. Getting something wrong is not a sin as such. Dear Gone Away, i think how this same Bible you have in your hand can and will defeat this sort of thinking. :)) Do one making some act/deed that can be characterized as wrong or bad or evil, and nevertheless if such was done deliberately or by mistake.... it is a sin in religious, Bible way of interpretation on this subject, as many bible scholars and teachers explained. If i believe that GB is not FDS and not god's servant and representative here on Earth (but you believe they are) then, as You gave reasoning, I am not deliberately sinning and not made sin, because I BELIEVE IN WHAT I SAY I BELIEVE :))))) I JUST GETTING SOMETHING WRONG, THAT IS ALL :))))

People who believe in god and to god can stand on this quote you gave, for sure. Now, because in every religious system on Earth, exist people, leadership who run god's Heavenly job, work or business here on Earth and in that process of governing they giving information about what god want human (member of one religion) to do, I ask; WHO giving information?? WHO giving right information?? WHO giving wrong information?? WHO ... in this one and same religion??

History and science agree about cataclysmic events that was in the past of Earth and how that affect all living creatures. By that various evidences that is visible in scientific research in many fields, we can expect, soon or later, the same or similar changes in life of Earth and all forms of life.

Yes, this was idea for some time. After they wrote how specific Hebrew word "yom" can mean undefined, unknown period of time that can last more then 7000 years. I think in Creation book was (blue book) first time talking about this "new" teaching. But despite to this revelation about "yom" in Genesis book, WT still standing in interpretation how Adam and Eve as first human on Earth come to existence before only 6000 years ... and few years more (if we count from 1975 till today). In this we can see some disharmony, about this two Bible reports, in WT explanations and interpretations about when first human came to existence and how old is Earth, Solar system, Universe. Science said one thing and WT something different or not incorporate scientific knowledge and information's in religious teaching of the JW Church.

Think, I would not praise them for good deeds they doing, because they are obligated to doing good deeds and to have good intentions. They take/took voluntarily this responsibility. No one force them to take position of lead. What i stress is/are things they not doing well or they have done even bad in some case. Thanks Anna :)

1) The GB have not mishandled cases of child abuse, the elders have. Elders are extended arm of WT system. GB claim that they are appointed to giving "spiritual food". What is spiritual food? All what is told and written to GUIDE God's People on Earth. GB are Chanel of Communication between JHVH and Jesus .......and their Earthly Organization, Chosen People, Spiritual Nation that will survive Armageddon . They will survive if they Listen and Obey what FDS aka GB Teach and Instruct Jehovah's Witnesses. Is here something that confused You Anna?       2)  Elders have apologized to victims where possible. Agree! .........But also Top Management have same obligation. 3) The whole organization cannot be held responsible for every case that happens in congregations. WT was explained few times in publication, very rare done, i can recall one most two time when they discus about Personal and Collective Responsibility.  Yes, Organization is that Entity that is RESPONSIBLE for what members of that same Organization DOING! If you are member of the "Club" you are expected to play by the rule of the Club. If you not Club have to deal with You. If Club ignore what members doing and if members harm each other (or outside people) Club is obligated to call those who can handle issue. Club must know what they may and can and must solve "in the family" and what must go to Authority. 4) Have you personally had experience of having to handle an accusation of child molestation by someone in the congregation? If not, then you cannot know what you are talking about. If yes, then please let us know what happened. No, i have no personal experience in this issue.  ....and you are close to right conclusion how i am clueless what is going on :))))

I think this is general statement, about all crimes in society. Article mentioned among others crime and child molestation. But this is not told by WT authors, but by newspaper editorial in Puerto Rico declared: Reporter who wrote article said in fact - child molestation is a crime. Not WT magazine. Let see again what you paste: WT 1988 /4/15 page 11. par.6 "Distrust has increased because of another growing fear in our day: the fear of becoming a victim of crime. Many now do like the woman who said that she sleeps with a revolver under her pillow. Another fearful woman said: “I resent it. . . . My grandmother never locked her doors.” Thus, a newspaper editorial in Puerto Rico declared: “The ones who are imprisoned are us,” yes, in our own barred and locked homes. These fears are well founded. In the United States, for example, one woman in three is likely to be assaulted during her lifetime. The surgeon general there noted that “some four million Americans fall victim to serious violence every year—murder, rape, wife-beating, child-abuse, muggings.” Such crime is common in many lands, further damaging the trust that people have in others". Beginning and the end of this paragraph you paste, have quotation mark. It seems that source of that text is not WT author, but some secular source, newspaper, book or interview. WT talking about sin not about crime. When Bible speaking about some bad human behavior it is always in context with sin never with crime. WT running religion so they talking and teaching in such lexical and historical way about human behavior. Bible, the Law of OT and NT Commands not speaking about CRIME but only and always about SIN. WORD CRIME almost not EXIST in Bible, as i know. NWT using word "crime" only in Luke 23:4. But here is about Pilates who said how he can not find any CRIME about Jesus. Then Pilate said to the chief priests and the crowds: “I find no crime in this man.” Other translations using words; Charge, Condemn, Guilt, Fault. So, if Pilates really used word CRIME, that would by explainable by fact that he was servant of Roman Empire and Roman Legal and Judicial System that possibly using such terminology in Courts and in Roman Legislative. Perhaps somebody other here can tell more about word CRIME and Roman Empire.

In this https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w19831001/help-for-victim-of-incest/ Here is only place i find they mention about male victims. All other paragraphs talking, giving experiences about girls and woman. "Studies in the United States suggest that one in five girls and one in ten boys suffer sexual molestation before they grow up."

Well said. And If JW parents adopt some non JW baby, after several years son/daughter get baptized as JW and after some time stop to be JW by diss or dfd. Then what would happen? This adopted child would be abandoned and ignored by foster family. What a beautiful life !?

You have quite normal perception :))

Adam and Eve by Rubens.  Adam and Eve by Watchtower  Jew woman clothing  Jew male clothing  Jew family fashion  ..... some casual style here

In purpose to avoid endless arguing and imposing some people attitudes on what is Christian acceptable dress and what is not, about Fashion and Clothes, God created naked people ;)))) Are you ready for a New World and this kind of Fashion style? :)))

HAha, yes sometimes other people use our "Intellectual property" and make new topic. It is understandable, people sometimes gave us some new idea with what they said in comment. Maybe it would be nice and polite to have little conversation, agreement and mutual exchange of ideas. :)))

In period of 1980 and on JW magazine talking about, as i read in this magazine, only women as victims. Second, WT talking about issue as a sin, not crime that have to be handled by secular authorities. And WT was seen perpetrators as persons who, if repent enough, are as other ordinary sinners. So, i have to ask; IF GB and His Holy Nation and Only Organization on Earth not received much more better Instructions, from Heaven, in this matter - What makes WTJWorg so better from others in the past time (from 1980 period on, because GB members loved to mention on TV how this Organization was almost first that spoken about this issue) ? Surely one who was sexually abused as a child can be certain of God’s understanding and loving acceptance. Why, Jehovah forgives even those who, unlike the abused child, commit gross sins—if they repent and change their course of action!—1 Corinthians 6:9-11. - https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w19831001/help-for-victim-of-incest/ From this it can be seen how "Scriptural Based Position" looks like. Child molestation is a gross sin that can be handled without much fuss in Judicial Committee of elders. Next thing: Thanks for link you provide. There is 3 point that is modern, advanced (21 century) view made by WT. And they said; A) Child sexual abuse is a perversion B) Jehovah’s Witnesses abhor child abuse and view it as a crime. C) Child abuse is a serious sin. https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/legal-resources/information/packet-jw-scripturally-based-position-child-protection When and how GB WTJWorg came to this NEW Instructions and attitude about issue?? With a Little Help of people who are under "devil control". When Courts, experts for child health, Commissions and other Secular Institutions made more talking and made some pressure on religious and other group, institution who HAVE Problem with this. Until today, as what i know, WT Legal Department are not willing to fully cooperate with Courts and other Secular authorities in benefit to victims. Some victims want money, and why not. Because WT victims was not and perhaps will never heard Words of Sincere Repent and Apologize from all those who make them so miserable because not handled their matters and problems in a way that would imitate Heaven's Love, Comfort and Justice. JWorg web was never, until now, said how GB and other people in position (elder) made (and making still now) big errors and not handled this properly in harmony with all good Instructions that can be found in The Holy Book and in Secular Books too. Until now NO Public Apologize to Victims! Perhaps, and if they do it public, it would not be sincere ??!! This public attitude on JW TV how WT are purely innocent is something disgusting.

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."Hamlet (1.4), Marcellus to Horatio

Generally said: Fact how we do believe something or we do not believe something, not making that thing as it is true or it is false. We have freedom to believe what ever we want.