Srecko Sostar

"He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”

If looking from this point perhaps they not need resurrection (in a interpretation that is common to this point of understanding) , because they are alive to HIM already/now. Or they will be in some way and meaning and some kind of fulfillment.

:))) problem coming because so many verses exist in The Holy Book

18 hours ago, Anna said:

I don't believe this was the only reason. I did an approximate 3 month research too, and I'm still here (one of Jehovah's Witnesses). And don't tell me I didn't do proper research, or that I was biased. Those who know me on here can verify that my research was pretty thorough and unbiased. 

Why you do not believe JB? Think he is not sincere or he not done his homework well enough...in compare to your research? If JB has more then one reason for leaving WTJW it is also ok. Perhaps he will tell us that also when he will be ready to tell.

You Anna also doing research, i see that. Why you have different conclusion, it is up to you. :))

On 9/23/2018 at 6:02 PM, Gone Away said:

Christians serve as "ambassadors"

This is very common attribute in JW circle that some JW like to apply on each other. How many ambassadors serving in one foreign land? One i think. So for today World Jesus need only cca 238  (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2119rank.html) ambassadors to represent Jesus Kingdom. 

Or WT can build 238 Betel for each country, and with some number of stuff working there you need some 2380-7140 people who will support Kingdom interest before devil worldly kings, presidents and dictators. All other Kingdom population can do something but can not be ambassadors. What all Kingdom people can do, and have do is to PRAY, or as verse say, to SUPPLICATE for each other and for unbelievers.     :))

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

For most of us, it's a congregational decision following a set of rules reinforced bureaucratically from a central legalistic authority: the WTS. But in reality each of us stands on our own. In this regard none of us should be under any central authority except God and Christ. We should not shun because we are told to shun.

well said!

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

If we are only following rules instead of a desire to imitate Christ, then we are being overreached by Satan.

This sentence said the same thing, as one Bible scripture, what in fact, is going on; “The Evil One controls the whole world.”—1 John 5:19. nwt and all religions too. WTJWorg is not exempt. If somebody want to claim how WTJWorg is not under satan influence then he/she not believe in this Bible premise/statement/conclusion. 

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

We shun when it is appropriate,

From time to time, people are hurting each other. Some solve it by talking, some with a quarrel, some with silence. All these methods are known to the human spirit. If our friend stopped talking to someone, maybe we would stop talking as well. Is this good or not, we can discuss, but it happened. On other hand, as you highlighted, shunning on command is out of mind.  

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Just because Lloyd Barry shunned Theodore Jaracz doesn't mean the rest of us should have

But if someone is Lloyd's close friend .......:))))

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

Even if a majority of a congregation has shunned someone this does not necessarily mean that the rest should either.

But hey, where is unity then ??:)))))

18 hours ago, JW Insider said:

"How quickly can you get him disfellowshipped?"

very interesting experiences to hear from you and others here.

10 hours ago, Anna said:

I simply think that it would be unreasonable to expect a family that lives together, as a family unit, to ignore one another. A family unit has a basic structure and this structure should be unaffected, otherwise it would become a dysfunctional family unit, and nobody wants that. When the children leave, then they set up their own family unit. They are no longer a unit with their mom and dad and siblings, and can do whatever they want in their own family (regardless where they live, but usually they will live separately from the original family unit). So really there is only one variable.

Thanks for respond. But i am not sure do you support idea that family members are stopped to be bond/connected with family bonds/ties, blood if they go to live somewhere else??

This idea promoted by WT not sound reasonable, not have common sense, and in fact generated what you very well described as;  

"it would become a dysfunctional family unit"

22 hours ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

It appears that the Elders also try to tell the marriage mates of those that leave the Org' not to discuss scriptural things with the one who has left. So where do the elders get this instruction from ? 

hahaha, i am proof for this. I left JWorg and wife is in silence about almost all in cong. Just this morning she and one other sister (have no clue who she is, name, nothing) went to Zadar (town on Adriatic coast), for preaching in distance field service, some 290 km from Zagreb.  

So i have one week of freedom :)))))))))))) and cooking for myself, cleaning, watering plants, doing home works, painting, gardening and many other things .......  ahahahaahaa family ties continue :))))))) 

1 hour ago, Anna said:

Yes, this is a little misleading, because it only applies to members living in the same household.

With all due respect to you Anna, i must, not to You, but to WT who gave such instructions tell this; All that "models" who living where is so Stupid!! Do somebody living under same roof, under same roof but on second or fifth floor, in another house but in the same courtyard, in same courtyard but owner of both house is JW, or owner is dfd JW, in same  street or in same city, village, .........etc. I sound stupid to myself because making so many variables. Don't you think the same Anna? And WT doing exactly The Same Thing!!  

18 hours ago, Anna said:

 

On 9/22/2018 at 2:24 PM, JOHN BUTLER said:

  I'm saying it's the GB that have put themselves in place of Jesus Christ as mediator.

You are saying that indeed, and I am sorry you got that impression because the GB don't view themselves that way. So what gives you that impression?

Well Anna, i see that in this way.

Perhaps it is true how GB nowhere say this in such  way and by that your impression is correct. But answer on the question, "Do GB view themselves in that way, as "substitution for" Jesus?" is something that in private conversation will be interesting to hear. And then our "impression" would/will be more clear.  

Therefore, we are ambassadors+ substituting for Christ,+ as though God were making an appeal through us. As substitutes for Christ, we beg: “Become reconciled to God.” - 2. Cor. 5:20 nwt

In Interlinear Translation (by WT) there is Greek word translated with "we are supplicating over Christ".

supplicate

see definition of supplicate

On 8/11/2018 at 1:17 AM, JW Insider said:

It's not a new point. A disfellowshipped, grown child, not living at home should be shunned by the family except for absolutely necessary business that may need to be conducted with the child.

WT magazine quote:

"The religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue." source: https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/

WT and JW members having real problem that coming to be bigger and bigger with every day.

Training Video on JWorg Convention very clear highlighted important point/lesson for JW members, when mum not want to respond on dfd daughter phone call (this act has been presented (showed) as role model that is need to be imitate). Also, there is/are more examples in publications and in public talks in congregations to support what is going on.

So, it is question; What GB means when say -  "blood ties remain and normal family affections and dealings continue."???  

What is "normal family affection" in this ???? when mum not want pick up phone to her flesh and blood?????!!!!!

I am so hurt when see this hypocrisy (not because my family not want speak with me), but because i feel the pain that is inside those (ex) JW people rejected by their families and friends!! because of WT policy.  

52 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Indeed because as I told you before, as well as here and now that I do deal with people who have these addictions,

Do you therapist or medicine man or doctor and in such way helping people in their addictions?

“Whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty at all, but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water bubbling up to impart everlasting life.”—JOHN 4:14. nwt

This morning i found post on my g+. And inside picture someone put this verse. And some sort of idea, "new light" came to my stupid head.

WT explaining that according to verses in Bible "faithful and discreet slave" is: 

¹⁰ Who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave? That slave is made up of a small group of anointed brothers who directly prepare and give out spiritual food during Christ’s presence. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/402013533

Well, according to Jesus, His Water will become Fountain in YOU, as single person. If You drinks from His Water You became source for spiritual truth, food, water. 

By this verse in John something is very wrong in WT explanation how only "small group of anointed BROTHERS" (not sisters) aka GB are the only one who giving food, water that leads to Life. 

PS   Jesus told to Samaritan woman this words about source and water and life. He offered her to drink this everlasting water and as result of that, she will become source of water (without need to go to "fds" for spiritual food). Mutual encourage and sharing of this fountain water is not under restriction or obligation inside particular organized religion requirements .

Hi! Video i found today is interesting about this subject - "shunning" and family members.

 

sharing feelings? 

:))) feelings can be "dangerous", very,  and if you share such "dangerous" feeling to so called trusted confidant  it can turn into an even bigger problem than the one you are already in with your "trouble felling" in your deceitful, sensitive, wounded heart.

3 minutes ago, Srecko Sostar said:

agree!

On other hand, if video belong to category called "spiritual food in proper time", then it would be of general benefit for all JW membership, not just for selected audience in The House. 

appendix:

I'm wondering if any of you know the answer to the question. Did the video/videos be watched separately, by group of - men, women, married, unmarried or some other combination in the audience?

8 hours ago, Anna said:

My opinion is the video is embarrassing and would not impress the public.

agree!

On other hand, if video belong to category called "spiritual food in proper time", then it would be of general benefit for all JW membership, not just for selected audience in The House. 

18 minutes ago, Anna said:

Not always a solution though is it? It very much depends on who takes their place!

People run WT business for more than 100 years. Whoever takes place on governing position must run WT Company. Company (Board of directors or however else they are called) have responsibility to those who have their interests (shares) in it.  

57 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

Without hard evidence ... I try not to think at all about what other people do, or don't do.

I had three Elders surround me at the Kingdom Hall, and well within my "air space",  one asked me  without any verbal foreplay  whatsoever: "What do you think about the Governing Body?".

I replied without thinking .... "I do not think about them at all!".

They didn't bother me again for almost a year.

Yes, OK.   I mean in regard to what you said;  "In any Corporation, the ONLY way to correct things that are seriously wrong, is to fire those responsible."

What do you think? Can an individual or organization possessing  the truth?

What do you think? Are the members of the governing body the owners of some shares of WTBTS or any other sister company ?

1 hour ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

As for this stupid argument as to what the law states or does not state, its totally irrelevant.

200%+ agree

19 minutes ago, JOHN BUTLER said:

GB proclaim to be the 'Faithful and discreet slave'

For decades and decades GB  claimed that FDS of 1918/19 was set over all of Christ's property. Now they claim they are not. Now they claim that this setup will happen in the future. 

Does this fact strengthened by evidence proved that  JWorg needs to be organized human component of the divine/human interface?

Other religious group can bring out similar claims too.

12 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

he point is that there needs be some organized human component of the divine/human interface

If this thesis is wrong ? What then? You have premise. But if you handle with wrong premise all your conclusions based on wrong premise will be questionable or useless. 

20 minutes ago, AllenSmith34 said:

violence wasn’t the answer

agree, violence is not the answer and we must do all we can to calm down some situation.

but respond to violence sometimes asking person to be strong  in both ways.

9 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

omitted the verses from the Bible

but i also like very much that missing verses  John 8:1-11