Srecko Sostar
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For decades and decades GB claimed that FDS of 1918/19 was set over all of Christ's property. Now they claim they are not. Now they claim that this setup will happen in the future. 42 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said: the point is that there needs be some organized human component of the divine/human interface Does this fact strengthened by evidence proved that JWorg needs to be organized human component of the divine/human interface? Other religious group can bring out similar claims too. -
If this thesis is wrong ? What then? You have premise. But if you handle with wrong premise all your conclusions based on wrong premise will be questionable or useless.
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agree, violence is not the answer and we must do all we can to calm down some situation. but respond to violence sometimes asking person to be strong in both ways.
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but i also like very much that missing verses John 8:1-11
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What we can extract from this statement? That some elders criticize those who made reports? That some victims and their family was not report crime because of fear of elders criticism? .....and/or more? but we see next statement: By this, all cases (past and present) must be made known to authorities. Then Why in USA WT not gave documents to Court when they ask? Or by free will to police? Again, elders and others who know about this crime have to read again this sentence in JW document: The elders’ handling of an accusation of child abuse is not a replacement for the authorities’ handling of the matter.
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Just one of many changes WT made in recent years. 19 In review, what have we learned? In the beginning of this article, we raised three “when” questions. We first considered that the great tribulation did not begin in 1914 but will start when the United Nations attacks Babylon the Great. Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914 but will occur during the great tribulation. Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation. So, then, all three “whens” apply to the same future time period—the great tribulation. How does this adjusted view further affect our understanding of the illustration of the faithful slave? Also, how does it affect our understanding of other parables, or illustrations, of Jesus that are being fulfilled during this time of the end? These important questions will be considered in the following articles. source of paragraph: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013530 Here in this paragraph we see just some of many changes from past teachings in Watchtower ideology. Well, questions are as follow: What is The Truth? Can The Truth Stop To Be True? Does The Truth have the Owner? Why do some people like to claim that Only They know a Certain Truth? Does some Truth exists outside of our awareness of the existence of such truth? Why do we argue how some Truth or Truths can never change? Why can not we name The Truth, which has ceased to be true, that it is a Lie or at least Not The Truth? Do these truths from paragraph 19 cease to be true on the day of publication in the Watchtower Journal on July 15 2013 or are they, in fact, have never been The Truth?
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Symbolic or not, sword cut down the ear of one man. Or do you suggest that the ear also became symbolic item? 5 While Jesus was having dinner at Levi’s house, many tax collectors and sinners were eating with him and his disciples, for there were many who followed him. 16 When the teachers of the law who were Pharisees saw him eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they asked his disciples: “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?” Mark 2 10Later, as Jesus was dining at Matthew’shouse, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with Him and His disciples. 11When the Pharisees saw this, they asked His disciples, “Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”…Mat 9 34The Son of Man came eating and drinking, andyou say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of sinners!’ Luke 7 In WT revised Bible chapter 8 beginning with verse 12. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/books/john/8/ So i have to ask, what kind of gospel from chapter 8 you talking about? :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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"The big question now is where are you drawing temptation from in regards to the whole passage itself in this chapter? No cross-references to the passage alludes to temptation at all." ......Space Merchant ask me, and answer is; Dear readers of this issue, here is the origin, source of the word TEMPTATION mentioned for the very first time. And we see who first who put this word in circulation of our discussion. :))
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It is not wrong, in my opinion. But some other people here have different opinion.
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If i understand English sentence construction correct you said 2 separate things, correct me please if i am wrong, or give me explanation. 1) masturbation never leads to.... sexual immorality with another person? 2) masturbation never leads to .. thoughts about sexual immorality with another person?
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Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi
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James said, 3 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; Well, if neither Jesus nor JHVH tempted Peter with putting a sword in his hand, but only gave him a lesson with some simple command or imperative and obligated sentence addressed to Peter and other in group, "to buy and carry a sword", would it be the same that God or Jesus tell to disciple to go to whorehouse with him and after when some of his disciple have happy time with some of the women there, Jesus told to those who experienced fun time, "You see my friends, it is not good to do this what you have done. I brought you here to give you this important lesson."
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SM please be more careful about putting your ideas and words in my mouth about what i told or not told. Our conversation about money was in different context. I never said how i don't or didn't believe in "carried a purse". SM, SM :)))))))))
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sinners ......first thing came to me in this moment........ ....then we can count some other attributes too......................
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Ohh Allen, Do you really want to say how i am the one who put you in temptation and dragged you in this discussion?? :)))))
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Well yes, it is ok what Jesus put in his prayer. But he personally ask them to have sword/swords with them at that temptation moment. Why would Jesus intentionally stumble his friends and made them to do something what is wrong? Because of fulfilling the prophecy? Or Jesus made some parables, enigmatic message, hyperbole, secret teaching? Why would Jesus ask them to CARRY swords, when he knows very well that his followers can, might be put in temptation to use it? Or did Jesus want that sword to be used? Anyway, Jesus gave Peter just advice about what could happen if you use lethal weapon in confrontation with other people. Interestingly, after healing the ear of injured man, Jesus gave no explicit command to Peter how he is guilty of breaking JHVH Law or Jesus Law.
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I think we have argument in Bible report about last night when Jesus said this: 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors’[b]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” 38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied.
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I can say how i like his framework. But maybe i can say also how i am not always in agree with WT interpretations of Jesus framework :))
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I can accept how faithful JW member "understood" WT Policy in this issue. But if dfd or dsd person are still in the "WT frames/chains of such understanding" then her/his mind are far from normal and healthy mental state. Because he/she dance on same music together with JW member who dictate his/your behavior in relation to him. And that is not good.
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I had already knows this application with/to Samaritan. My questions was  for those who forget what is answer :)) Thanks to you they hear now. It is better that this is heard from someone else here, not from me.  Â
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General idea of going throughout personal inside trouble of mind and soul as cure is acceptable. General idea how society, people around such person, family or some group have role in this is also acceptable. General idea how some methods in this process are necessary, identical in approach, painful for all involved are also acceptable. But because every person is unique, and how similar stuff they going through is not the same stuff in everyone life, has specific details for every one in particular, people who "helping" need to adapt their approach and methods to each case in a special way. WT scenario in video made "special effects", because The Company determined for each actor what to play and why he/she would have such words, feelings and thoughts and such reaction/interaction. In video case daughter, allegedly, need family surroundings and/or just parents voice "and this small dose will satisfy her"!! What if she had been in need for more then a "small dose"?!. Some persons fall in desperation, is suicidal emotions. What if daughter made suicide after unanswered call?? Because this can be very real Life scenario that WT want to escape for manipulative reasons on convention's public. What would parents, and mother especially, who not want to respond on phone, think of WT helping methods "for the greater and long term benefit of a person" after funeral of their daughter??
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AllenSmith34 said: Are we overextending ourselves in this scenario? Are we talking about Someone's duty as a paid individual to help others? or is it FAITH based? There are certain aspects of your post, that is expected for those that get paid to help. If my memory served me, Jesus told how he lay life for his FRIENDS, the 12 (even Judas is in it).12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.14 You are my friends if you do what I command. ("if you do what I command" ... sort of conditioned love?) And now we shall go to Romans chapter 5; 6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die.8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ("while we still sinners" .....sort of not conditioned love!) To continue; Did Jesus here "OVEREXTENDING" his scenario? He was not gave life ONLY for his 12 friends or some imagine future "Christian brothers". He gave life for all people. And inside all people exists all sorts of people - good, bad, sinners, righteous and unrighteous, JW, Catholic, Republicans, Democrats.... and whoever else. Who have duty???.... Who have faith???....................NO, question is Who have love? ------ FOR LAY DOWN OWN LIFE FOR YOUR? Please, what you have to correct in this??!! Who is unfit in good deed for save your life from fire? Fireman? :)) Allen, Allen
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Well, let me to think ones again.....??!!!&&&&##$$$$$*****xxxyyyyzzz&&&&&====///..... OK i am ready now. If Mr. Fireman, who happened to be Catholic, come to some JW family burning house and loses his life by saving JW brother elder's wife or children then what will we say? We can say how he haven't Christian love, explained by WT what Christian love is and how has to look, , but he was maybe paid to save your life? Was he paid to lose his life to save your? No. But some people have strong affection, or strong sense of responsibility, or strong desire, wish to help someone who need help. Well, who have "love" or greater "love"? JW mother who not want pick up phone for her daughter or Catholic who put his life for person who is not Catholic?
