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Another problem with such love presented in WT publication, where and when are talking about Christian love that is ready for giving life for brother in faith, is in video "evidence" when mother don't want to pick up phone when dfd daughter calling her. What "proof" such instruction show us? What love is in person who claim and teach how has love that is ready to give life for all other but not ready to pick up phone for own daughter?

This is "The Truth" too :))

I can agree with general idea you present. For sure, we can find the truth on various places, among all sort of group of people. We can find the truth even on the African plains, where the lion must eat the zebra to remain alive. And a zebra must exist so that a lion may have something to eat. And this "evidence" is a "proof" how The Truth looks like on this level. From this example, i am sure, you can understand where my thinking goes sometimes. So, we on Earth have many Truths, with many Shapes and many Sorts. 2+2=4 is also The Truth. Hurricane Florence is also The Truth and affect people's life. Bad inclination of human heart is The Truth as also it is compassion from the same hearth. Catholic also have some Truths. What shall we do with so many Truths?? And what shall we do with something that looks like Truth? What we shall do with something that stopped to be Truth? What we shall do with Half Truths, what with Lies? I can believe how JW, but also other smaller denominations, religions, groups of all kind can build connections in a way you described. Even worldly school children can make positive connections with children in came class or in another town or country. There is a mutual visit of a student from one school to another. Some of them manage to create lasting links. I believe that it is case with the people of other social groups, religious and non-religious, too. I had the opportunity to travel and visit JW in other European countries. And some of JW from the other countries met me here in Croatia and invited me to visit. Some acquaintances lasted longer, some shorter. When I visited some assemblies in other countries, some JWs came to meet me, some did not care about having a guest who came for the first time in their congregation. Some people are getting in touch, and some do not. Certainly, human relationships are complex and something attracts us and something rejects us from others. That is life. And our fantasy and imagination and expectations are something else, even in a "worldwide brotherhood". I think the Bible has several various paragraphs on this subject, about giving oneself to others, even to the point of giving life. At this level, there may be a problem because it is spoken, taught, by almost all people, and also by other religions, not just JW; "God loves all people to such a degree that He gives his Son to die for Human, Jesus loves all people to such a degree that he has given life to the righteous and the unrighteous." This could mean that JW should give life not only for his brother in faith but also for a brother who is not in faith. What we shall do with this "Truth"?

Yes, i came to this and similar quotes, that are in WT publications, in my "period of Cognitive Dissonance". Such WT statements are really "strong, solid food"... not for babies. :)))))) "For everyone who partakes only of milk is not accustomed to the word of righteousness, for he is an infant. But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil." - Heb 5: "Why do you spend money for what is not bread, And your wages for what does not satisfy? Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good, And delight yourself in abundance. - Isaiah 55:2

"clear, pure water of truth" ?? ...and famous question that can be hear from platform and in witnessing "Would you drink water from a glass with just one drop of poison in it?" Water That Leads to Life ..."Jehovah’s Witnesses invite you to taste the pure waters of truth." ..... [Picture on page 9] "You can find the ‘waters of truth’ at your local Kingdom Hall" https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102009003

In the past??? What is different today, on Saturday, September 15 2018 ?? :))

as i can recall, JTR said ones that he write with bigger fonts because he can see that text better. Even i consider to put bigger fonts because of my dioptric glass i have (+3.5 for reading) i believe this is prime reason in his case :)))

Not wish to offend Mr. G. Reformer. But one possible explanation why you G.R. has (and all other, as me too before few years) this feelings and attitude is, as i see, in problem (it is not problem in fact but tool by with what we as person can move in two possible direction) called Cognitive Dissonance. All people that is/was facing with at least two opposite information are entering in this inner condition of brain, of intellect, of soul, of spirituality and found himself in very big trouble. You can deny all information's, even facts and stick to your belief in order to "survive" and to stay where you are now (in JWorg) because it is "easier" for mind and heart. By staying in JWorg option you will not destroy your "imagination". Imagination created by WT and by you. On this mutual project you put much efforts, energy, love, faith, money, health, time etc. To leave it, it means a defeat. Defeat for you. Not for WT. They will survive as Company, because they ARE Company. But you, you can lose everything you built, for many years perhaps. That is very scary! But dreaded idea to abandon, left this "safe WT port" makes you, and many other JW, ready to continue to believe in WT deception. :((

Maybe is that what happened before, but also this what is happening now in the WT corporation, like this one; Dallas police officer was charged on Sunday with manslaughter in the fatal shooting of a neighbor, who authorities said was shot by the officer when she walked into an apartment she thought was her own and mistook the man living there for an intruder. The bizarre sequence of events unfolded after the police officer, Amber Guyger, 30, had just completed a shift late on Thursday and was still in uniform as she returned to an apartment she erroneously believed was hers, police said.

Some WT publications in articles that talk about the end of 6,000 years, and these are the well-known passages on the Internet, even today show that people of that time had great expectations about 1975. And today's reader, by reading same quotes, who did not live in that time and euphoria about a possible future, may come to the conclusion that JW expected change on global scale (nothing new in fact, IBS and then JW expected that change more then one time, and still now talking "the end is very near") Is there a sentence in an article that speaks directly or indirectly about some details about 1975 may not be a crucial thing that have to give us an answer today to the question of truth and honesty of WT, and then of the JW member too. JW brothers and sisters in the time before 1975 had the expectation that change might occur. Did those who had hoped for the new world were a lot or a few, what motives they had and why, that is irrelevant !! WT has given material, spiritual food that has led to the warming up of interest for the possibility in coming of Armageddon and for the Kingdom that will rule over the Earth. This very fact how 1975 is mentioned not only by ex-JW, but also by JW members and was/is of public speaks and in WT magazines show how something was controversial and disputable in connection/with 1975. I was baptized in 1977, started study "blue bomb" in 1975. And have memorized that 1975 was year that some JW with whom i had contacts (elders too) expected how something will happen. Today, I drove a car to the service and returned by bus to the city. One sister, her husband is elder, recognized me after many years and she knew I was no longer JW, started talking to me. She said how she is very happy for getting new job (in school) after been unemployment for some time, and now can easier to repay the mortgage. In the end she told me that she is hoping I will return to the assembly because "now is very close to the end". What is interesting, she and her husband was single workers at Zagreb Betel. They get married and continue work in Betel. After some years must left because personal problems, She became suicidal. Her husband was one to whom i send many quotes from articles, before few years, in English language, about some issues and 1975 also. He never responded to my e-mails. Well, JW people living from generation to generation with similar "now is very close to the end".

uhh, you gave too much specific statements that must be verified in some scientific, historical, religious and genealogical way. :))))))) Can you?

I do not want to be involved in problem between you two. I am interested in comment, if you want to give, about my post. ;))

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This morning came to me on more thought :))))) We talking to others how Adam lived longest of all human. Did he? Bible text counting only male names of particular area and their life span. How long Eva lived?? We see today how statistic said that women living longer then men. Why not to look in far past with same possibility or even fact? That Eve lived longer then Adam. Until beginning of 19 century, researchers said, human lived in average 30-40 years. But now living longer, double or more in some parts of the world. Well, it seems we have to reconsider some or few or many things about some Bible quotes and about our interpretations of Bible quotes.

When i was kid i imagined to be policeman on motorcycle. After, there was a period when i like Bruce Lee movies. Martial arts are still in my head. That is very close to this short story :))) And who knows what other hiding person sleeps in me. Or in you?! ahahhaa

Yes, life span of those generation/s are very long and then we have rapidly almost sudden cut to, what Moses has wrote, 70-80 years. Some said how people today living longer in many parts of world then before (before few decades or before few centuries), because of scientific and medicine progress. That is strange, indeed. Of course, human nature is complex. Physical and mental and other things are in deep connection. Deterioration in physical way not automatically leads to mental deterioration. Many people who have physical deficiency/defect are very intelligent, mentally, psychical health persons and have spiritual, emotional needs as others. Does people today have less need for love, compassion, understanding, beauty, ...etc. then perfect Adam and Eve had, or first, second and third generation of First Couple who lived longer and perhaps in better body shape in comparing with nowadays people and was "closer" to perfection??? I don't think so. Our needs today are the same or even stronger in some moments. In that sense we are not showing any deterioration. :))Thanks Anna! :))

Yes, JW's most commonly mentioned such a reason (time distance) for evolution in human imperfection and increase in imperfection, with result in big wars, big evil and similar things as sign of last days. I think that "increase in imperfection" not exist. We can talking about "increase" of violence, of burglary in summer time, of hunger, of high pressure in people who living in towns ..... etc. If Bible text said that in one particular day God throw out Adam and Eve from Eden with words of "curse" and how that make them "imperfect human" that can mean how in 1 second all have changed. To this moment you are perfect and from now on you are imperfect. Nothing about slow decrease in one characteristic and then slow increase in other characteristic. Killing is killing. No matter do you did this as perfect or imperfect human. Only increase, evolution, progress can be in methods and a means (knife or with Sonic weapon) of killing. With increase of population on Earth also goes increase of death. Story abut Adam long life (and some other people in Genesis) that last for few centuries and how that means his/human slow decrease of perfection is something else. It is interesting that, as far as i know, Bible has no reports about how his long life looks in details and to tell us something about his decrease of mental, intellectual, spiritual and other features. I think, if we talk about the amount, quantity of imperfection in a human, then it has nothing to do with some length in years (6000). The distance from Adam's point of perfection to today's man and our imperfection does not mean how with the years that pass from time point A to B (in our example 6,000 years) also increases human imperfections. You are imperfect or not. You can not be more imperfect then you are. And also on other hand, if you or Adam are perfect, you can not be more perfect then you are. I am not talking about some skill that we improves with time. And in this case of issue about skill, we can ask; if you are perfect, does this means that all your skills are perfect? Does that means that your perfect skill will be more perfect after 10000 years? On other side if you are imperfect and if you have enough practice and talent your skill will be better, will be "perfect" in some point of time but only to some "highest" point that your imperfect perfection can reach. So, logic how with with the passing of time imperfect human/people become even more imperfect not sound reasonable to me. People proved how they made some progress in all segments of life. Question that rises is, in what direction we going and using what we know and have. Perfect devil and perfect Adam and Eve proved that "perfection" are not guarantee for perfect life and all what that suppose to be. Knowledge that was "unknown" to first human, and ability to "differentiate" what is "good and bad" was became possible to them and people after them, only latter, after they took the fruit. So, we now have that sort of knowledge too, what is good and what is bad. With or without Bible. Because Genesis said ,And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil." Well, as far as i can see now, our increasing or decreasing in something have some connection with time but not in the religious sense that JWorg explains why mankind imperfection are bigger today then before and why we are in situation that we have now.

3) We do not lobby, vote in political elections, run for government office, or try to change governments. …Otherwise, how could we have a clean conscience when we preach the good news that only God’s Kingdom can solve mankind’s problems? source: https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016288#h=36 lobby verb [ I or T ] UK /ˈlɒb.i/ US /ˈlɑː.bi/ C2 to try to persuade a politician, the government, or an official group that a particular thing should or should not happen, or that a law should be changed: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lobby Recent example how WT Company and JW members participated in "lobbying" was writing letters to Russian Government and their politicians.

This statement is SF i think. The plant life cycle starts with a seed; every seed holds a miniature plant called the embryo. Some seeds are capable of growing even after many years if they are kept cool and dry. When a seed falls on the ground, it needs warmth and water in order to germinate; some seeds also need light. After being planted in the soil for a few days, the seed absorbs water and swells until the seed coat splits. The tiny root pushes down and grows, looking for water and nutrients. It is important that the seed is planted in the right place at the right time in order for it to germinate. Germination is the process by which an organism grows. Some plants flower within days while it takes others months or even years. Final product of seed is fruit. Fruit in final stage have new seed or seeds. An new seeds producing new fruits. Natural circle created by God. Without seed there is no fruit. Without fruit there is no new seed. Bible is full of examples about natural agricultural life in Israel land, soil. Statement that you or WT made above is more about artificial Monsanto production of food :)))) JHVH way of thinking ??? :)))))

....with elders' and WT' helping hand.

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YES! If elders have interest to Imitate Jesus they will do exactly this, to search for the lost sheep - Mat.18:12-14: “What do you think? If a man has 100 sheep and one of them strays,+ will he not leave the 99 on the mountains and set out on a search for the one that is straying?+ 13 And if he finds it, I certainly tell you, he rejoices more over it than over the 99 that have not strayed. 14 Likewise, it is not a desirable thing to my* Father who is in heaven for even one of these little ones to perish.

I have to add to this one more information. Yes, sometimes non JW parents making very big pressure on their son/daughter because he/she has Bible study with JW or has plan to baptized as JW. In some very rare cases parents was made threat how they abandon them, leave them without inheritance or expel them from home. Or how they will buy him/her new car if they will give up on JW. But strong reaction (even such rare extremely measure) from non JW parents are understandable. Because JW parents would also do almost everything to "save" their children from this wicked world and make them to stay in congregation.

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Agree with logic you present here. If non JW shun you because you are JW. But please you must have in mind that most of non JW people or perhaps i can say all non JW people will not shun you because you ARE JW. To illustrate. My mother is very zealous in preaching to non JW relatives, her sisters and brothers and their family. But she doing that with so much effort that what is too much IS TOO MUCH. But despite this her (my mother's) family receive mom every time and give her hospitality, to stay in their home, to sleep, to eat and to going visit bros and sis in that area and also she going to preach other people in town and around. So, that "unbeliever" home are some kind of free hotel for my mother preaching service for decades now (my parents accept JW in 1968 so imagine how many years are till today that mom preach them with no result). Shunning is not what non JW people doing to JW because of religion issue. Maybe sometimes non JW relatives try to somehow avoid annoying, boring JW family member who want to save him/them with Bible. This shunning stuff is something that JW people doing to non JW society in general and specially, with strong emotions to dfd/dis JW.