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  1. There are various genres in the film industry. In this video, there are several genres in one. I think, did not watch the whole video, just some parts. As they wait for the "end," these JW people in the video recall some or many moments from their past. In which they have shown their attitude and resisted temptations, remaining faithful to their principle and so on. Some say that human whole life flashes before the eyes of those who are faced with death. These people in the video are faced with death. It is funny that hundreds of soldiers surround the twenty civilians in the clearing, on the meadow. Strange military tactics or bad estimates of the commander of the army. Or is it as the WT literature says: "All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether those appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not." Seems how similar instructions existing in army camp too :))))) The movies exist to make us emotional. And that is ok. It not surprised me how convention people have tears when looks video. All people expecting some spectacular outcome, for movie characters or for those/us who watching. Because while sitting and looking movie we have projections. We identify with characters, with the main actor, with events. In this video, the director and producer put a couple of comparative main characters. So there is something for everyone. For the old and the young, single and married, for rich and poor .... We are beings who love fantasy and imagination. Of all kinds. In one moment when i was in prison for neutrality i had imagination too. That wall of jail would broken down as in Jericho and i will walk away :)))) and that was before some 40 years. And walls of that prison still standing and receiving "guests". It will be nice that God making revolution and "neutralizes" all who are "bad" and those who are not so "bad" (but who are not "good enough"). And new society will growing. And same or similar problem will growing too. Because that is the nature of human, perfect or imperfect not matter. Just opinion :))
  2. My mentioned of children is for purpose of illustration. It is possible to use all other sort of examples too. :)))))
  3. If people like/want to be neutral and objectively, then both side in some disagreement must accept Court decision, no matter is such gave favor to left or right side of a bench. So, when Court decide in favor for JW, all JW community is very happy and interpret decision how JHVH intervene and protect His people. When Court decide opposite of JW community expectation then JW have another interpretation why that happened. This quote you gave from ECHR showing how that street is two way street. If someone want to use this quote only for JW religion members and not also for other religion or non religion members then all that is in vain. If your family member (children) want to celebrate birthday and you as JW parent forbid them to express their freedom to manifest and practice his or her religion (or wish, or non religion attitude, or atheistic, or worldly ideas) that is the source of conflict.” :)) please, do see how every sword have two side
  4. whereas if we tell someone that God speaks to us ....perhaps because people (in or out of JWorg) have not faith that this is possible. Or people are smart enough to not believe in such claims if someone would say how that happened to him. This very interesting thought you present, remind me on similar "problem" for faith, for spiritual life of believers. Miracles mentioned in Bible. People was cured from sickness, resurrected, been feed with food and drink from nowhere, saved from evil, from illness, from the enemy, from natural and unnatural catastrophe .... And today believers are sure that "miracles" was been possible in past, in far past - NOT TODAY - because WT explain how miracles ended in one particular moment of one particular day in one particular year in the 1st Century. That was the time, age of last seen miraculous works caused by God. All other that happened after, later was demonic acts or fraud. And today you are left in conviction how divine miracles are belong in the long past and will be in some distance day in the future. No one knows when in future. Close future or far future? It doesn't matter. In a future, BUT NOT TODAY. Past time - yes. Future time - yes. Today - no. It can not be today, because God will is to not doing miracles today but in the future ...and in the past. But not today. Today, what You need is faith. And that is miracle. Your faith is Miracle. Not physical demonstration of some supernatural effect. Only Faith you got, you have. And as You gave interesting example with "communication issue" (between people and God) that can be problem even among, inside the same group of same religion who are connected in so called religious unity and worship one God JHVH. If some JW member ever come to idea how God answered on his pray with Divine Voice that would be miracle. With what result? ....will be perceived as bat crap crazy? To avoid such effect, members will wrap, envelop, pack God's response to them, to such forms/formats that are socially acceptable within the organization (read or listen to life experience in magazines or conventions giving illustration for what i said) Here said, not reflects the author's point of view.... just freedom of thinking. :)))))
  5. WT teaching said that JW members must avoid any kind of contact with ex JW. Even with family members, especially if they are not living under same roof. For those family members who do living under same roof WT give instruction "how family ties continue" (this is ridiculous, isn't???:))))))) but "faithful JW family members will not talking about "spiritual things" with unfaithful (DF or DA family member), because Bible said so. And now we have irony situation in Bible events. God and Jesus have spoke with DF/DA angel aka devil. And it was not everyday small talking ("because family ties continue" :))) again ) but they are talking about very important spiritual things. About Job (brother in faith and his situation) or about some Bible principles and verses (Jesus and devil in dessert). Well, is there something that makes people feel confused on issue of "shunning" ?? Or am i only, single person in the whole world who don't understand why would God and Jesus forbidding to JW members talking with ex members when They were not using same WT standard in examples presented in verses down? 6 One day the heavenly beings* came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan* also came among them. 7The Lord said to Satan,* ‘Where have you come from?’ Satan* answered the Lord, ‘From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.’ 8The Lord said to Satan,* ‘Have you considered my servant Job? ........ 4. Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted+ by the Devil.+ 2 After he had fasted for 40 days and 40 nights, he felt hungry. 3 And the Tempter+ approached and said to him: “If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.” 4 But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s*mouth.’”+5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city,+ and he stationed him on the battlement* of the temple+ 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’”+ 7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah* your God to the test.’”+8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.+ 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah* your God you must worship,+ and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”+11 Then the Devil left him,+ and look! angels came and began to minister to him.+
  6. I suppose how some answers on this we can found in fact that WT are organized to have own, separate, independent "judicial" system based on some other kind of "law". WT judicial system and law is creation of mixed OT and NT examples, rules, commands. Elders are viewed as "judges", because WT gave them to be in such position, as "princes" of future NW system and as such have all rights to rule over members today. All matters, testimonies, statements, evidences, counter-findings, etc. must be presented to them, for to be able to make a judgment, a decision. According to that premise about elders role and in fact (WT) parallel christian judicial system vs. secular judicial system , they should not rely on processes that have, that took by "worldly people" (because they are "unreliable"), secular authorities and their investigations or even their courts that reached a verdict (acquitting or convicting). All should be confirmed or denied in the "court of the saints". :))
  7. As far as I know, GB is not against voting, as the principle by which decisions are made, have to make. But GB uses this "democratic principle" of making a decision, about something that is tailored to the/by "majority", in a way that have "higher meaning", "sacred goal". There are several levels where decisions are made by this "democratic means", by voting. It is at GB level. At the director level of certain departments. At the elders level. At assembly level. Less important items are often put to the vote in front of the assembly (rank and file members). Of course, the elders presents something in such a way that membership is moved to vote in according to a decision already in line by the elders (or some higher then elders), and only formal confirmation is required/made through voting and resolution. Making decisions within an organization is actually a matter of how "politics" is carried out by those who are high in the hierarchy. Thus, within the religion is not carried out "political politics", but "religious politics". :))) Perhaps it would be better to "throw a cube" (throwing dice, stone, beans or what ever else), as this kind can reduces the impact of human, of various clans and streams within a group. In fact there is a biblical precedent that would allow such way, how to run a "corporate governance" policy (in religious, financial and other matters). It is primitive, demode ( démodé ), old fashion way but gives a lot of fun.
  8. Stephen Lett is mentioned as important figure in this situation. That was the reason why i putted. :))
  9. News Philadelphia Media Network, PBC She says she was 5 when another Jehovah's Witness raped her. The religion's leaders call such accounts 'false stories' "For much of the last two decades, Lett has been a member of the small governing body that runs Jehovah’s Witnesses and sets the course for the denomination’s followers at more than a dozen congregations in the Philadelphia area, and thousands more around the world. Lett and the seven other men on this committee maintain quiet profiles, their voices usually absent from media coverage about the Witnesses’ widespread child sex-abuse problems. But in the spring of 2015, Lett unexpectedly starred in a 10-minute video that was posted on the Witnesses’ website, an appearance that coincided with a spate of stories about abuse allegations and cover-ups published by Reveal, from the Center for Investigative Reporting. Dressed in a dark suit, he grew animated as he urged followers to stay united by “rejecting false stories.”" .......read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sex-abuse-stephen-lett-chessa-manion-20180620.html
  10. As is others, this is no surprise to anyone. What you should have also mentioned is that those chosen and or destined for Priesthood, the fruits after Jesus, are chosen, not self-chosen and it is known by those, as some would say, are invited by God. Let reminds population how WT magazine explain some ideas? :))) STUDY ARTICLES FOR: FEBRUARY 29–APRIL 3, 2016 The Spirit Bears Witness With Our Spirit HAVE YOU BEEN CALLED? 15 Perhaps you are wondering if you have received this wonderful invitation. If you think that you might have, ponder some important questions. Do you feel that you have more than average zeal in the ministry? Are you a keen student of God’s Word who loves to delve into “the deep things of God”? (1 Cor. 2:10) Have you seen Jehovah’s special blessing on your ministry? Do you have a burning desire to do Jehovah’s will? Do you have a deep inner feeling of responsibility to help others spiritually? Have you seen proof that Jehovah has personally intervened in your life? If you answer these questions with a resounding yes, does this mean that you now have the heavenly calling? No, it does not. Why not? Because these are not unique feelings experienced only by those who have the heavenly calling. Jehovah’s spirit works with equal force in those who have the hope of living forever on earth. In fact, if you are wondering whether you have received the heavenly calling,that would in itself indicate that you have not received it. Those called by Jehovah do not wonder whether they have been invited or not! They know! 15. What does not prove that a person has been anointed by holy spirit? WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF THOSE PARTAKING AT THE MEMORIAL? 12 In recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the Memorial of Christ’s death. That trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades. Should this increase trouble us? No. Let us consider some key factors to keep in mind. 13 “Jehovah knows those who belong to him.” (2 Tim. 2:19) Those taking the count at the Memorial cannot judge who truly have the heavenly hope. The number of partakers includes those who mistakenly think that they are anointed. Some who at one point started to partake of the emblems later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Therefore,the number of partakers does not accurately indicate the number of anointed ones left on earth. 14 Anointed ones will be present in many parts of the earth when Jesus comes to gather them to heaven. Speaking of that time, the Bible says regarding Jesus: “He will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.” (Matt. 24:31) The Scriptures do indicate that only a remnant of the anointed ones will be left on earth during the last days. (Rev. 12:17) However, the Bible does not state how many will be left at the time that the great tribulation begins. 15 Jehovah chooses when in history he will select anointed ones. (Rom. 8:28-30) Jehovah began choosing anointed ones after Jesus’ death and resurrection, and it seems that all in the first-century Christian congregation were anointed. From the first century until the beginning of the last days, the vast majority of those who claimed to follow Christ were false Christians; Jesus likened them to “weeds.” Even so, Jehovah continued to anoint some faithful ones throughout that time, and they proved to be like the “wheat” Jesus described. (Matt. 13:24- 30) During the last days, Jehovah has continued to select those who will make up the 144,000.[2] If he chooses to wait until late into that period to select some for that privilege, who are we to question his wisdom? (Isa. 45:9; Dan. 4:35; read Romans 9:11, 16.)[3] We must be careful not to react like the disgruntled workers who complained about the way their master dealt with the 11th-hour workers.—Read Matthew 20:8-15. 12, 13. Why should we not worry about the number of those who eat the bread and drink the wine at the Memorial? Well, after reading those significant sentences in article and this one again; "The number of partakers includes those who mistakenly think that they are anointed. Some who at one point started to partake of the emblems later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven." ................. it is not strange that some can ask himself, "What sort of anointed are leaders in GB for all JW members?"
  11. It would be nice that human change life style and system to such level that "sitting time" be time for rest, for fun, for not to be in hurry, for learning something new, for introduce new people ... looks like i am not belonging to digital era :))))
  12. In material view, imagination go to have something that can be transform into whatever by single wish. In other way, it would be "cool" to be in ability to transform myself .....:)))))
  13. "Past studies in people and animals indicate that slight, short-term drops in brain blood flow can temporarily cloud thinking and memory, while longer-term declines are linked to higher risks for some neurodegenerative diseases, including dementia." uppsssss, some signs are already here :))))
  14. There is a saying to schoolchildren that they "need to warm up a chair" while learning, it means sitting and learning long. According to this study, the students (and we all) should sit for a shorter time :)))) ( but school hour is 45 minutes in Croatia)
  15. I disagree. Jesus "framework" is/are interpreted many times by many people or organizations as how they see how would Jesus do this or that. So when you put quote that sound so final and as definitive diagnosis; " the Watchtower has the same framework as Jesus did", i must be careful, alert :)))) Not forget how same WT using phrases (when they explaining GB doctrines) as "Jesus must be thinking this or that, he obviously mean this or that. So, please do not call for Jesus authority when promote own or GB ideas :))
  16. My opinion is not of some importance now. It is more important how WT define it and how some of people who participate in this forum as WT defender, are not in harmony /unity, obeying) what GB told them, instructing and teaching. Let see what i found in JW publications. Politicians, activists, and reformers have long struggled to find solutions to divisive issues. Their efforts may be sincere and well-motivated. Yet, Christians recognize that only God’s Kingdom can solve mankind’s problems and guarantee true justice. We must leave the matter in Jehovah’s hands. After all, if each Christian advocated the solution he thought best, would not our congregations soon become divided? - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015527 "From Political Activist to Neutral Christian" THE year was 1953. The place—Liberec, Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic). I was then a 19-year-old activist who sought political change. We activists propagated our views by distributing leaflets that were critical of the Communist Party, then in power. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102002447 Similarly, true Christians today do not engage in civil disobedience. They await the day and hour when qualified intervention by God will come. Only he has the wisdom and the power to bring lasting solutions to mankind. Through their preaching work, Jehovah’s Witnesses reassure those who are suffering from injustices that such relief is soon to come. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101987647
  17. Stephen Lett quote: "We are supposed to comply with or obey what they tell us. Of course that would be with a proviso unless they tell us to do something that is unscriptural. And of course that would be extremely rare. " Rare or not but Mr Lett clearly said that GB from time to time tells members something that in fact  is Unscriptural! Â
  18. Please all who have magazines and publication that are quoted here to send me confirmation about authenticity. “The published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man’s creation as 4026 B.C.E. According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E. So six thousand years of man’s existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation. So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man’s existence. How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a Sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee Sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants! This would be most timely for mankind. It would also be most fitting on God’s part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ. It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the ‘Lord of the Sabbath,’ to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man’s existence.” Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God 1966 pp.26-30 “Does God’s rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man’s existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the “time of the end”.”Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20 Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those that are destroyed then.” Kingdom Ministry 1968 Mar p.4 “The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these “last days” will undergo fulfillment.” Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272 “Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the Sabbath like thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative “day.” Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or “day” ended, and how long Adam lived into the “seventh day.” And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.” Watchtower 1968 Aug 15 p.499 “The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the “last days” have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God.” Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13 “Many schools now have student counselors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them “brainwash” you with the Devil’s propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left! Any “future” this world offers is no future! Wisely, then, let God’s Word influence you in selecting a course that will result in your protection and blessing. Make pioneer service, the full-time ministry, with the possibility of Bethel or missionary service your goal. This is a life that offers an everlasting future!” Watchtower 1969 Mar 15 p.171 “If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not?Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the “last days” in 1914, Jesus foretold: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!” Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15 “And now, as the year 1975 opens up, some thousands of the anointed remnant, still alive on this earth, look ahead to realizing that joyful prospect. The increasing “great crowd” of their sheep like companions look forward with them to entering the New Order without interruption of life. In the New Order Jehovah God will add to the “length of days” of the anointed remnant on earth to the point of satisfying the members thereof. It remains to be seen whether they will be yet retained here on earth to see the start of the resurrection of the earthly dead and to meet faithful witnesses of ancient, pre-Christian times. They would enjoy that, before being taken off the earthly scene to the heavenly reward with Christ.” Watchtower 1974 Dec 15 p.766 “Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.” Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life? “Today there is a great crowd of people who are confident that a destruction of even greater magnitude is now imminent. The evidence is that Jesus’ prophecy will shortly have a major fulfillment, upon this entire system of things. This has been a major factor in influencing many couples to decide not to have children at this time.” Awake! 1974 Nov 8 p.11
  19. so called "SIFTING", very popular terminology in one period of organization used to explain described phenomenon and some other situation when Company caused mass (in greater or less numerous scale) disapproval of some parts of members. excellent observation! ohh yes, in fact so many informative ideas and interpretations and double, triple time/way of fulfillment. So complicated to understand what in fact author want to teach. Pictures, parables, yesterday, today, tomorrow, transmitted meaning and true meaning ....In fact not understandable, only way is to learn by memorization and repeat the text ... and play that you understand :))))))) It is also written in some apocrypha :))))))) A generation of JW and those who will be JW goes and next generation of JW and those who will be JW comes, But the earth remains forever.
  20. Definition of politics https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politics 1a : the art or science of government b : the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy c : the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government 2: political actions, practices, or policies 3a : political affairs or business; especially : competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government) b : political life especially as a principal activity or profession c : political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices 4: the political opinions or sympathies of a person 5a : the total complex of relations between people living in society b : relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view By point 5a in explanation we are all involved in this process, as human living on Earth. By point 3a in particular group (WT JWorg) exist also political activities that is focused on events within society (members) and on other side how this religious group have to deal whit person outside of WT society (WT as Company and JW as religious body of members) In general use inside JW members, word "politics" are clearly viewed, i believe, as activity that is specific mainly or most for politicians and government that lead some country. JW members, in general, don't see how would even word "politic" be something that can be used in vocabulary of WTBT Society or JW congregations for internal affairs. This word sounds to much worldly to JW members, like sort of blasphemy. Even among ordinary people in society (non JW) word "politics" have mainly negative connotations, especially when they looking how politicians acting.
  21. Of course, letter writing has nothing to do with a political agenda. Heh, JW letters was addressed to Russian Government, Mr Putin, Medvedev and all other political characters that are in "position to changed" Court decisions. So, how can you considered that as Neutral colored letters? When involved at least two parts of governing, political and judicial power. What JW consider as it is more powerful? 8 000 000 x i do not how many prayers in the day to JHVH ... or 8 000 000 letters of pray to Putin and Medvedev who "serve to Gods enemy, devil"? :))))
  22. "Having Brothers Lett and Sanderson in Ukraine and Russia on the same weekend underscored the unity of God’s people and showed the brothers how much Jehovah and Jesus care about them......the Russia branch office to write: “The brothers and sisters were deeply touched that the Governing Body is so interested in this part of the world field. All of us felt as though we were given a big hug by the Governing Body.” https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/events/governing-body-encourages-witnesses/ Can somebody explain me why is big B need to be in word Brothers Lett and Sanderson? according to this - "Sister and Brother are capitalized in the same way as Doctor -- when used as honorifics or titles. These particular titles, along with "Mother" and "Father", are commonly used by religious orders." - it looks strange that brothers in Russia branch put accent on religious status of their brethren/brothers in Lord Jesus in another branch even if that is headquarter office. Is that sort of men worshiping? Idolatry? I can understand if we honoring our friend, brother, wife in front of strangers or in some sort of official business, in public, on street, in work place or similar situation. But this is in article for JW members ,in first place, for worldwide brotherhood. Or nevertheless we should put Brotherhood with BIG B, for rank and file members? :)) for purpose of honoring them, because many inside rank and file are in some sort of religious orders to some level (publishers and pioneers of all kind, missionaries, elders of all sorts, Betel workers, lawyers ...) or if we want tell the truth, all JW members are part of religious order/orders but in some kind scale of hierarchy. :))
  23. Funny conclusion, in my opinion! "It's politically correct to hate on Russia these days." But many US companies making big money in Russia. Watchtower is also US Company. Maybe WT is just first on Russian list of US companies that have to be stopped to operate in Russia. :))))) Have to wait to see. https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/08/03/headline-halah-t/#40025a795f99 https://www.amcham.ru/eng
  24. EUROPEAN COMMISSION OF HUMAN RIGHTS Application No. 28626/95 Khristiansko Sdruzhenie "Svideteli na Iehova" (Christian Association Jehovah's Witnesses) against Bulgaria REPORT OF THE COMMISSION (adopted on 9 March 1998) TABLE OF CONTENTS Page INTRODUCTION. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1 PART I : STATEMENT OF THE FACTS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3 PART II : SOLUTION REACHED. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4 INTRODUCTION 1. This Report relates to the application introduced under Article 25 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms by Khristiansko Sdruzhenie "Svideteli na Iehova" (Christian Association Jehovah's Witnesses) against Bulgaria on 6 September 1995. The application was registered on 21 September 1995 under file No. 28626/95. 2. The applicant association was represented by MM Alain Garay and Philippe Goni, lawyers practising in Paris. 3. The Government of Bulgaria were represented by their Agent, Mrs Guenka Beleva and, subsequently, by Mr Vladimir Sotirov of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and by Mrs Violina Djidjeva, co-agent. 4. On 3 July 1997 the Commission declared the application admissible. It then proceeded to carry out its task under Article 28 para. 1 of the Convention which provides as follows: "In the event of the Commission accepting a petition referred to it: a. it shall, with a view to ascertaining the facts, undertake together with the representatives of the parties an examination of the petition and, if need be, an investigation, for the effective conduct of which the States concerned shall furnish all necessary facilities, after an exchange of views with the Commission; b. it shall at the same time place itself at the disposal of the parties concerned with a view to securing a friendly settlement of the matter on the basis of respect for Human Rights as defined in this Convention." 5. The Commission found that the parties had reached a friendly settlement of the case and on 9 March 1998 adopted this Report, which, in accordance with Article 28 para. 2 of the Convention, is confined to a brief statement of the facts and of the solution reached. 6. The following members were present when the Report was adopted: ...................................................... etc. JW participate very much in politics to some level with other religious and non religious organization. If you go to read few documents about Bulgaria issue and see what in fact was the content of "friendly settlement" then you will be surprised ones again. JW representatives are participants on regular basis (for many years) in OSCE meetings as Non-Governmental Organizations. What is OSCE? https://www.osce.org/who-we-are Among its key partner organizations are the United Nations, the European Union, the Council of Europe, and NATO. Perhaps this is continuation after 1991-2001 disgrace with UN affiliation. http://www.truebiblecode.com/images/JWUNDPI.pdf YES, WT and JW are politically involved. There is no Neutral position, perhaps only as OBLIGATION for members, most for rank and file members.
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