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  1. 15 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

    Whether he is or not, his bad example raises an interesting  aspect of trying to figure out how the disfellowshipping "system" protocol actually works.

    Can any of the Congregations  he went to disfellowship him without his being present  to answer charges ?

    ... and SHOULD he be?

     

    I suppose how some answers on this we can found  in fact that WT are organized to have own, separate, independent "judicial" system based on some other kind of "law". WT judicial system and law is creation of mixed OT and NT examples, rules, commands.  

    Elders are viewed as "judges", because WT gave them to be in such position,  as "princes" of future NW system and as such have all rights to rule over members today. All matters, testimonies,  statements, evidences, counter-findings, etc. must be presented to them, for to be able to make a judgment, a decision. 

    According to that premise about elders role and in fact (WT) parallel  christian judicial system vs. secular judicial system ,  they should not rely on processes that have, that took by "worldly people" (because they are "unreliable"), secular authorities and their investigations or even their courts that reached a verdict (acquitting or convicting). All  should be confirmed or denied in the "court of the saints". :))

     

  2. As far as I know, GB is not against voting, as the principle by which decisions are made, have to make.
    But GB uses this "democratic principle" of making a decision, about something that is tailored to the/by "majority", in a way that have "higher meaning", "sacred goal". There are several levels where decisions are made by this "democratic means", by voting. It is at GB level. At the director level of certain departments. At the elders level. At assembly level.
    Less important items are often put to the vote in front of the assembly (rank and file members). Of course, the elders presents something in such a way that membership is moved to vote in according to a decision already in line by the elders (or some higher then elders), and only formal confirmation is required/made through voting and resolution.
    Making decisions within an organization is actually a matter of how "politics" is carried out by those who are high in the hierarchy.
    Thus, within the religion is not carried out "political politics", but "religious politics". :)))
    Perhaps it would be better to "throw a cube" (throwing dice, stone, beans or what ever else), as this kind can reduces the impact of human, of various clans and streams within a group. In fact there is a biblical precedent that would allow such way,  how to run a "corporate governance" policy (in religious, financial and other matters).

    It is primitive, demode ( démodé ), old fashion way but gives a lot of fun. 

  3. News  Philadelphia Media Network, PBC

    She says she was 5 when another Jehovah's Witness raped her. The religion's leaders call such accounts 'false stories'

    "For much of the last two decades, Lett has been a member of the small governing body that runs Jehovah’s Witnesses and sets the course for the denomination’s followers at more than a dozen congregations in the Philadelphia area, and thousands more around the world. Lett and the seven other men on this committee maintain quiet profiles, their voices usually absent from media coverage about the Witnesses’ widespread child sex-abuse problems.

    But in the spring of 2015, Lett unexpectedly starred in a 10-minute video that was posted on the Witnesses’ website, an appearance that coincided with a spate of stories about abuse allegations and cover-ups published by Reveal, from the Center for Investigative Reporting.

    Dressed in a dark suit, he grew animated as he urged followers to stay united by “rejecting false stories.”"

    .......read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-child-sex-abuse-stephen-lett-chessa-manion-20180620.html

  4. 13 hours ago, Space Merchant said:
    On 8/19/2018 at 7:21 AM, Witness said:

    I should have brought this out before; but then, I have many times under other topics. 

    JWs are aware there are both genuine anointed ones,  and those who are not anointed within their congregations. 

    As is others, this is no surprise to anyone. What you should have also mentioned is that those chosen and or destined for Priesthood, the fruits after Jesus, are chosen, not self-chosen and it is known by those, as some would say, are invited by God.

    Let reminds population how WT magazine explain some ideas? :)))

    STUDY ARTICLES FOR: FEBRUARY 29–APRIL 3, 2016

    The Spirit Bears Witness With Our Spirit

    HAVE YOU BEEN CALLED?

    15 Perhaps you are wondering if you have received this wonderful invitation. If you think that you might have, ponder some important questions. Do you feel that you have more than average zeal in the ministry? Are you a keen student of God’s Word who loves to delve into “the deep things of God”? (1 Cor. 2:10) Have you seen Jehovah’s special blessing on your ministry? Do you have a burning desire to do Jehovah’s will? Do you have a deep inner feeling of responsibility to help others spiritually? Have you seen proof that Jehovah has personally intervened in your life? If you answer these questions with a resounding yes, does this mean that you now have the heavenly calling? No, it does not. Why not? Because these are not unique feelings experienced only by those who have the heavenly calling. Jehovah’s spirit works with equal force in those who have the hope of living forever on earth. In fact, if you are wondering whether you have received the heavenly calling,that would in itself indicate that you have not received it. Those called by Jehovah do not wonder whether they have been invited or not! They know! 

    15. What does not prove that a person has been anointed by holy spirit?

    WHAT ABOUT THE NUMBER OF THOSE PARTAKING AT THE MEMORIAL?

    12 In recent years, we have seen an increase in the number of those partaking at the Memorial of Christ’s death. That trend contrasts with the decrease in the number of partakers that we saw for many decades. Should this increase trouble us? No. Let us consider some key factors to keep in mind. 13 “Jehovah knows those who belong to him.” (2 Tim. 2:19) Those taking the count at the Memorial cannot judge who truly have the heavenly hope. The number of partakers includes those who mistakenly think that they are anointed. Some who at one point started to partake of the emblems later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven. Therefore,the number of partakers does not accurately indicate the number of anointed ones left on earth. 14 Anointed ones will be present in many parts of the earth when Jesus comes to gather them to heaven. Speaking of that time, the Bible says regarding Jesus: “He will send out his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity.” (Matt. 24:31) The Scriptures do indicate that only a remnant of the anointed ones will be left on earth during the last days. (Rev. 12:17) However, the Bible does not state how many will be left at the time that the great tribulation begins. 15 Jehovah chooses when in history he will select anointed ones. (Rom. 8:28-30) Jehovah began choosing anointed ones after Jesus’ death and resurrection, and it seems that all in the first-century Christian congregation were anointed. From the first century until the beginning of the last days, the vast majority of those who claimed to follow Christ were false Christians; Jesus likened them to “weeds.” Even so, Jehovah continued to anoint some faithful ones throughout that time, and they proved to be like the “wheat” Jesus described. (Matt. 13:24- 30) During the last days, Jehovah has continued to select those who will make up the 144,000.[2] If he chooses to wait until late into that period to select some for that privilege, who are we to question his wisdom? (Isa. 45:9; Dan. 4:35; read Romans 9:11, 16.)[3] We must be careful not to react like the disgruntled workers who complained about the way their master dealt with the 11th-hour workers.—Read Matthew 20:8-15.

    12, 13. Why should we not worry about the number of those who eat the bread and drink the wine at the Memorial?

    Well, after reading those significant sentences in article and this one again; "The number of partakers includes those who mistakenly think that they are anointed. Some who at one point started to partake of the emblems later stopped. Others may have mental or emotional problems that lead them to believe that they will rule with Christ in heaven." ................. it is not strange that some can ask himself, "What sort of anointed are leaders in GB for all JW members?" 

     

  5. 3 hours ago, admin said:

    If you have a LONG trip that would add potentially 2 hours of "sitting time"

    It would be nice that human change life style and system to such level that "sitting time" be time for rest, for fun, for not to be in hurry, for learning something new, for introduce new people ... :) looks like i am not belonging to digital era :))))

  6. In material view, imagination go to have something that can be transform into whatever by single wish. 

    In other way, it would be "cool" to be in ability to transform myself .....:)))))

  7. "Past studies in people and animals indicate that slight, short-term drops in brain blood flow can temporarily cloud thinking and memory, while longer-term declines are linked to higher risks for some neurodegenerative diseases, including dementia."

    uppsssss, some signs are already here

    :))))

  8. There is a saying to schoolchildren that they "need to warm up a chair" while learning, it means sitting and learning long. According to this study, the students (and we all) should sit for a shorter time :)))) ( but school hour is 45 minutes in Croatia) 

  9. GB bans some forms of sexual intimacy. But the GB does not think that some difficulties may arise in someone's life. What if a man or woman has some discomfort in sexual function. And the only thing left for them to satisfy each other is what WTJworg forbids?
    By Moses Law man were been in position to divorce her, if she  not pleased him (whatever that means).

    i just found this article. Perhaps somebody in Writing Department would/ should/ have to read it :))) ad inform GB Guardians of Doctrine about it.

    http://utj.org/viewpoints/responsa/is-oral-sex-permitted/

  10. 4 hours ago, Grey Reformer said:

    Then you will notice, the Watchtower has the same framework as Jesus did, to separate church from state. So, it is not what the GB is saying, it is what scripture is saying. The majority of former witnesses fail to make that distinction.  As for the trolling, from everyone here, that’s to be expected. There’s only one cure. The moral fiber of some is zero.

     

    I disagree. Jesus "framework" is/are interpreted many times by many people or organizations as how they see how would Jesus do this or that. So when you put quote that sound so final and as definitive diagnosis; " the Watchtower has the same framework as Jesus did", i must be careful, alert :)))) Not forget how same WT using phrases (when they explaining GB doctrines) as "Jesus must be thinking this or that, he obviously mean this or that. So, please do not call for Jesus authority when promote own or GB ideas :))  

  11. On 8/17/2018 at 12:12 AM, Grey Reformer said:

    How do you define Christian Activism, Political Activism, and Civil disobedience

    My opinion is not of some importance now. It is more important how WT define it and how some of people who participate in this forum as WT defender, are not  in harmony /unity, obeying) what GB told them, instructing and teaching. Let see what i found in JW publications.

    Politicians, activists, and reformers have long struggled to find solutions to divisive issues. Their efforts may be sincere and well-motivated. Yet, Christians recognize that only God’s Kingdom can solve mankind’s problems and guarantee true justice. We must leave the matter in Jehovah’s hands. After all, if each Christian advocated the solution he thought best, would not our congregations soon become divided? - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2015527

    "From Political Activist to Neutral Christian"                                                                                                                                                                                            THE year was 1953. The place—Liberec, Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic). I was then a 19-year-old activist who sought political change. We activists propagated our views by distributing leaflets that were critical of the Communist Party, then in power. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102002447

    Similarly, true Christians today do not engage in civil disobedience. They await the day and hour when qualified intervention by God will come. Only he has the wisdom and the power to bring lasting solutions to mankind. Through their preaching work, Jehovah’s Witnesses reassure those who are suffering from injustices that such relief is soon to come. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/101987647

  12. 5 hours ago, Grey Reformer said:

    hen you must be part of that group that read between the lines (tea leaves) and only paid attention to rumors rather than what the Watchtower message was actually conveying.

    Please all who have magazines and publication that are quoted here to send me confirmation about authenticity.  

    “The published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man’s creation as 4026 B.C.E. According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man’s creation will end in 1975, and the seventh period of a thousand years of human history will begin in the fall of 1975 C.E. So six thousand years of man’s existence on earth will soon be up, yes, within this generation. So in not many years within our own generation we are reaching what Jehovah God could view as the seventh day of man’s existence. How appropriate it would be for Jehovah God to make of this coming seventh period of a thousand years a Sabbath period of rest and release, a great Jubilee Sabbath for the proclaiming of liberty throughout the earth to all its inhabitants! This would be most timely for mankind. It would also be most fitting on God’s part, for, remember, mankind has yet ahead of it what the last book of the Holy Bible speaks of as the reign of Jesus Christ over earth for a thousand years, the millennial reign of Christ. It would not be by mere chance or accident but would be according to the loving purpose of Jehovah God for the reign of Jesus Christ, the ‘Lord of the Sabbath,’ to run parallel with the seventh millennium of man’s existence.” Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God 1966 pp.26-30

     
    “Does God’s rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man’s existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the “time of the end”.”Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20
     

    Just think, brothers, there are only about ninety months left before 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth is completed. Do you remember what we learned at the assemblies last summer? The majority of people living today will probably be alive when Armageddon breaks out, and there are no resurrection hopes for those that are destroyed then.” Kingdom Ministry 1968 Mar p.4

    “The immediate future is certain to be filled with climactic events, for this old system is nearing its complete end. Within a few years at most the final parts of Bible prophecy relative to these “last days” will undergo fulfillment.” Watchtower 1968 May 1 p.272

     

    “Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then? Possibly, but we wait to see how closely the seventh thousand-year period of man’s existence coincides with the Sabbath like thousand-year reign of Christ. If these two periods run parallel with each other as to the calendar year, it will not be by mere chance or accident but will be according to Jehovah’s loving and timely purposes. Our chronology, however, which is reasonably accurate (but admittedly not infallible), at the best only points to the autumn of 1975 as the end of 6,000 years of man’s existence on earth. It does not necessarily mean that 1975 marks the end of the first 6,000 years of Jehovah’s seventh creative “day.” Why not? Because after his creation Adam lived some time during the “sixth day,” which unknown amount of time would need to be subtracted from Adam’s 930 years, to determine when the sixth seven-thousand-year period or “day” ended, and how long Adam lived into the “seventh day.” And yet the end of that sixth creative “day” could end within the same Gregorian calendar year of Adam’s creation. It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years.” Watchtower 1968 Aug 15 p.499

    “The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the “last days” have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God.” Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13

     

    “Many schools now have student counselors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them “brainwash” you with the Devil’s propaganda to get ahead, to make something of yourself in this world. This world has very little time left! Any “future” this world offers is no future! Wisely, then, let God’s Word influence you in selecting a course that will result in your protection and blessing. Make pioneer service, the full-time ministry, with the possibility of Bethel or missionary service your goal. This is a life that offers an everlasting future!” Watchtower 1969 Mar 15 p.171

    If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not?Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the “last days” in 1914, Jesus foretold: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!” Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

    “And now, as the year 1975 opens up, some thousands of the anointed remnant, still alive on this earth, look ahead to realizing that joyful prospect. The increasing “great crowd” of their sheep like companions look forward with them to entering the New Order without interruption of life. In the New Order Jehovah God will add to the “length of days” of the anointed remnant on earth to the point of satisfying the members thereof. It remains to be seen whether they will be yet retained here on earth to see the start of the resurrection of the earthly dead and to meet faithful witnesses of ancient, pre-Christian times. They would enjoy that, before being taken off the earthly scene to the heavenly reward with Christ.” Watchtower 1974 Dec 15 p.766

    “Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service.Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.” Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?

    “Today there is a great crowd of people who are confident that a destruction of even greater magnitude is now imminent. The evidence is that Jesus’ prophecy will shortly have a major fulfillment, upon this entire system of things. This has been a major factor in influencing many couples to decide not to have children at this time.” Awake! 1974 Nov 8 p.11

  13. 3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    Many sincere brothers now are quick to defend the mistakes of the past by saying that the number of little ones who were stumbled was actually a good thing. We've seem multiple comments on this forum that make that claim. As the misguided logic goes, with 1975, for example, it was a kind of test that only stumbled those who were serving Jehovah with a date in mind.

    so called "SIFTING", very popular terminology in one period of organization used to explain described phenomenon and some other situation when Company caused mass (in greater or less numerous scale) disapproval of some parts of members.

    3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    But more people will be disheartened over time without being able to put their finger on exactly why.

    excellent observation!

    3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    the book God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached. This 416-page book, published in 1973, contains vital information that is even more apropos now than when it was first released.

    ohh yes, in fact so many informative ideas and interpretations and double, triple time/way of fulfillment. So complicated to understand what in fact author want to teach. Pictures, parables, yesterday, today, tomorrow,  transmitted meaning and true meaning ....In fact not understandable, only way is to learn by memorization and repeat the text ... and play that you understand :)))))))

    3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

    But his idea was that it would somehow make people appreciate the Society, its place in our time, and therefore raise the level of activity................(Proverbs 13:12) 12 Expectation postponed makes the heart sick,. . .

    It is also written in some apocrypha :)))))))  

    A generation of JW and those who will be JW goes and next  generation of JW and those who will be JW comes,       But the earth remains forever.

  14. 1 hour ago, Gone Away said:

    Post thread probably needs to define the terms "neutral" and "political" otherwise it's just a semantic clash.

    Definition of politics https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/politics

    1a : the art or science of government
    b : the art or science concerned with guiding or influencing governmental policy
    c : the art or science concerned with winning and holding control over a government
    2political actions, practices, or policies
    3a political affairs or business; especially competition between competing interest groups or individuals for power and leadership (as in a government)
    b political life especially as a principal activity or profession
    c political activities characterized by artful and often dishonest practices
    4the political opinions or sympathies of a person
    5a the total complex of relations between people living in society
    b relations or conduct in a particular area of experience especially as seen or dealt with from a political point of view  
     
    By point 5a in explanation we are all involved in this process, as human living on Earth.
    By point 3a in particular group (WT JWorg) exist also political activities that is focused on events within society (members) and on other side how this religious group have to deal whit person outside of WT society (WT as Company and JW as religious body of members)
    In general use inside JW members, word "politics" are clearly viewed, i believe, as activity that is specific mainly or most for politicians and government that lead some country. JW members, in general, don't see how would even word "politic" be something that can be used in vocabulary of WTBT Society or JW congregations for internal affairs. This word sounds to much worldly to JW members, like sort of blasphemy. Even among  ordinary people in society (non JW) word "politics" have mainly negative connotations, especially when they looking how politicians acting.
      
  15. 19 hours ago, Grey Reformer said:
    On 8/15/2018 at 5:33 AM, Space Merchant said:

    Letter writing isn't politically no matter what anyone says, so I will put this out here because some people still not fully aware of the situation in Russia and or the EU.

    Of course, letter writing has nothing to do with a political agenda.

    Heh, JW letters was addressed to Russian Government, Mr Putin, Medvedev and all other political characters that are in "position to changed" Court decisions. So, how can you considered that as Neutral colored letters? When involved at least two parts of governing,  political and judicial power. 

    What JW consider as it is more powerful?   8 000 000 x i do not how many prayers in the day to JHVH ... or 8 000 000 letters of pray to Putin and Medvedev who "serve to Gods enemy, devil"? :))))

  16. 2 hours ago, Grey Reformer said:

    Although, the topic of conversation is “appreciation” to a certain person

    "Having Brothers Lett and Sanderson in Ukraine and Russia on the same weekend underscored the unity of God’s people and showed the brothers how much Jehovah and Jesus care about them......the Russia branch office to write: “The brothers and sisters were deeply touched that the Governing Body is so interested in this part of the world field. All of us felt as though we were given a big hug by the Governing Body.” https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/events/governing-body-encourages-witnesses/

    Can somebody explain me why is big B need to be in word Brothers Lett and Sanderson

    according to this - "Sister and Brother are capitalized in the same way as Doctor -- when used as honorifics or titles. These particular titles, along with "Mother" and "Father", are commonly used by religious orders." - it looks strange that brothers in Russia branch put accent on religious status of their brethren/brothers in Lord Jesus in another branch even if that is headquarter office.  

    Is that sort of men worshiping? Idolatry? I can understand if we honoring our friend, brother, wife in front of strangers or in some sort of official business, in public, on street, in work place or similar situation. But this is in article for JW members ,in first place, for worldwide brotherhood. Or nevertheless we should put Brotherhood  with BIG B, for rank and file members? :)) for purpose of honoring them, because many inside rank and file are in some sort of religious orders to some level (publishers and pioneers of all kind,  missionaries, elders of all sorts, Betel workers, lawyers ...) or if we want tell the truth, all JW members are part of religious order/orders but in some kind scale of hierarchy. :))

  17. 3 hours ago, Grey Reformer said:

    Just as Russia used the Watchtower as an excuse to actually retaliate itself against the United States because of its sanctions. The Watchtower became a pawn in a governmental chess game.

    Funny conclusion, in my opinion!

    "It's politically correct to hate on Russia these days."

    But many US companies making big money in Russia. Watchtower is also US Company.

    Maybe WT is just first on Russian list of US companies that have to be stopped to operate in Russia. :))))) Have to wait to see.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2016/08/03/headline-halah-t/#40025a795f99

    https://www.amcham.ru/eng

  18. EUROPEAN COMMISSION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
    Application No. 28626/95
    Khristiansko Sdruzhenie "Svideteli na Iehova"
    (Christian Association Jehovah's Witnesses)
    against
    Bulgaria
    REPORT OF THE COMMISSION
    (adopted on 9 March 1998)
    TABLE OF CONTENTS
    Page
    INTRODUCTION. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1
    PART I : STATEMENT OF THE FACTS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .3
    PART II : SOLUTION REACHED. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .4
    INTRODUCTION
    1. This Report relates to the application introduced under
    Article 25 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human
    Rights and Fundamental Freedoms by Khristiansko Sdruzhenie "Svideteli
    na Iehova" (Christian Association Jehovah's Witnesses) against Bulgaria
    on 6 September 1995. The application was registered on 21 September
    1995 under file No. 28626/95.
    2. The applicant association was represented by MM Alain Garay and
    Philippe Goni, lawyers practising in Paris.
    3. The Government of Bulgaria were represented by their Agent, Mrs
    Guenka Beleva and, subsequently, by Mr Vladimir Sotirov of the Ministry
    of Foreign Affairs and by Mrs Violina Djidjeva, co-agent.
    4. On 3 July 1997 the Commission declared the application
    admissible. It then proceeded to carry out its task under Article 28
    para. 1 of the Convention which provides as follows:
    "In the event of the Commission accepting a petition referred to
    it:
    a. it shall, with a view to ascertaining the facts, undertake
    together with the representatives of the parties an examination
    of the petition and, if need be, an investigation, for the
    effective conduct of which the States concerned shall furnish all
    necessary facilities, after an exchange of views with the
    Commission;
    b. it shall at the same time place itself at the disposal of
    the parties concerned with a view to securing a friendly
    settlement of the matter on the basis of respect for Human Rights
    as defined in this Convention."
    5. The Commission found that the parties had reached a friendly
    settlement
    of the case and on 9 March 1998 adopted this Report,
    which,
    in accordance with Article 28 para. 2 of the Convention, is confined
    to a brief statement of the facts and of the solution reached.
    6. The following members were present when the Report was adopted:

    ...................................................... etc.

    JW participate very much in politics to some level with other religious and non religious organization.

    If you go to read few documents about Bulgaria issue and see what in fact was the content of "friendly settlement" then you will be surprised ones again.

    JW representatives are participants on regular basis (for many years) in OSCE meetings as Non-Governmental Organizations.

    What  is  OSCE? https://www.osce.org/who-we-are

    Among its key partner organizations are the United Nations, the European Union, the Council of Europe, and NATO. Perhaps this is continuation after 1991-2001 disgrace with UN affiliation. http://www.truebiblecode.com/images/JWUNDPI.pdf

    YES, WT and JW are politically involved.

    There is no Neutral position, perhaps only  as  OBLIGATION for members, most for rank and file members.

  19. 16 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    even thought you deem Abraham as selfish,

    How can not you to understand that Abraham is just human like others. He did some good and some not good in life. He did something about he can be proud and something that can be discussed an questioned from today standpoint. You want to put him in sky and stars and in same time telling me (expect from me) that i need to adore or even bow down or worship him because of what he is/are or represent. Please be reasonable.

    You ask me ones what would i do if i would be in "his sandals", when he an Sara was "acting to be brother and sister"? Let me ask you, just for sake of discussion, you have no obligation to answer,  "What would you do that your wife offer you young girl, her slave, made, friend, what ever she is, because two of you  can not have children (or for some other reason)?" Would you make love with her for such purpose?"

    Abraham did so. And it looks he was liked Hagar much and she liked him, and loved her, fall in love with her.  Who wouldn't fall  in love with young beautiful female. Did he broke some principles? If looked from Old patriarchal way of living - No! it was common not only to God chosen people, but also for Not God chosen people (non God worshipers) for Society of those period of time, before and after.  What example and role model giving his experience with Hagar for people living today.

    He and Hagar not experienced Gods anger. Only family problems with jealous Sara :))) 

  20. 12 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    Actually here is where you confuse the information. Prophetess Deborah was the one who gave word to Barak that God gave command him to lead an attack against the forces of the King of Ca'naan and his military commander, Sisera (Judges 4:6–7).The narrative is shown in in chapter 4 of the same book.

    The one of whom Deborah spoke to was Barak, for he was a ruler of Ancient Israel as well as a military commander as seen in The Book of Judges. Barak, with Prophetess Deborah, from the Tribe of Ephraim, the prophet and 4th Judge of pre-monarchic Israel, defeated the Canaanite armies led by Sisera. For Sisera was was commander of the Canaanite army of King Jabin of Ha'zor, who is mentioned in Judges 4-5 of the Hebrew Old Testament. After being defeated by the forces of the Israelite Tribes, that of both Zebulun and Naphtali, under the command of Barak and Prophetess Deborah, Sisera was defeated and was killed by Jael, who hammered a tent peg into his temple.

    Please Space, if Deborah gave word to Barak, did she only been messenger? I would say that she became, maybe by not her own will, person who take responsibility of leadership as Commander of army too. So by that she was important person in chain of command. And she went on battle field! You said in your explanation that (and confirmed my statement) by saying;"... under the command of Barak and Prophetess Deborah.." 

    You confuse me dear friend :))))

    Another woman came on scene. Jael. We see that Deborah and Jael was much more heroic than Barak. SO WHO IS BETTER HEAD IN THIS CASE, FEMALE OR MALE? :))) With Church or without Church, we discuss about does woman have ability, permission, possibility, obligation, prohibition, advice, and similar -  to do same things as male doing. 

    After all, both, male and female doing very beautiful and very ugly things. And they are doing that with and/or without God and/or Church! 

    I found something interesting on web. Here it is:

    God’s reason for choosing Barak for the Israelite commander is not clear. Deborah lived in southern Ephriam. Surely, there was an Israelite man who could lead the Israelites who lived closer than Kedesh, Barak’s home in northern Naphtali. On the other hand, Kedesh was only about 5 miles from Hazor. Barak personal experience with Jabin’s domination motivated him to throw off the Canaanite oppression.

    Barak’s caution when Deborah’s called him to be war commander of Israel seems appropriate for three reasons. First, the proximity of Kedesh and Hazor allowed Barak to know the magnitude of Jabin’s army along with its chariots. To Barak, the Canaanite army was beyond formidable. Second, the Bible gave no indication that Barak had battle experience. Likely his father Abinoam was a clan leader in Naphtali (Judges 5:12-13). Probably Barak had experience with decision making for a small group of men, but definitely not for an army of 10,000 men. Third, Deborah held court near Bethel, approximately 80 miles from Barak’s home town. Barak may not have known Deborah well; thus he was not sure that she spoke for God rather than herself. Barak must have been reassured when Deborah agreed to go with the Israelite army. Deborah was putting her life on the line along with Barak and the Israelite men.

    Barak’s response showed that he focused on Sisera’s seasoned, well-equipped army rather than God’s power and plan, e.g., God plan to lure the Canaanites into the Kishon river valley. Because of Barak’s failure to fully trust God, this Israelite victory over the mighty Canaanite army is remembered more for Jael’s subterfuge than Barak’s leadership.

  21. 20 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

    1 Timothy 2:11-14

    "And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."

    So, Eve was deceived and became sinner. But she was not aware what happened in fact because she was deceived.

    So, Adam was not deceived and not became sinner. But Adam made wrong purposely in fully conscious of the act.

     

  22. 13 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    Isaiah 3:12 Youths oppress my people, women rule over them.

    women rule over them

    So, here in book of Isaiah, God has objection about woman who rule over man, but He was very satisfied with Deborah who served as military and legal leader for nation in book of Judges? Do you want suggesting something about JHVH and why he chose Deborah for leading position over all nation, over all males, elders, patriarchs? Do you have problem with that? Why would God brake his own principle about position of woman (according to some view on this matter) in Israel nation by appointing Deborah to fill an office of leader? Looks like there was no male at the moment to fill that need? I hope she wore a cover on her head  while in service. Or this also would be problem for some people?

    She served as Military Leader. She served as Judge. God has not changed, as he himself claim. So, do you suggest how He made a mistake with Deborah? And decide that never again woman will be in position as judge alone, as judge with male partner or as judge above other male members?  

    Or do you think that Samson, because he was male, was better Judge then Deborah?

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