Watchtower Loses Appeal of $4000 Per Day Fine

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18 hours ago, JW Insider said:

But it's true isn't it, that each of these "prominent ones" should also be considering themselves to to be the "rank and file" at least on weekends.

hehe, while making barbecue for friends in garden party ? :))

4 hours ago, JW Insider said:

** w68 8/15 pp. 500-501 par. 35 Why Are You Looking Forward to 1975? ***

• This is not the time to be toying with the words of Jesus that “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matt. 24:36) To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end.

serious statement for serious students and those who are not serious  

Bold text said ...To the contrary, it is a time when one should be keenly aware that the end of this system of things is rapidly coming to its violent end.

:))))) 1975 ... and today is year 2017 at the end. 2017-1975= 42 years 

42 is interesting number, perhaps some type and antitype is possible to get from 42  

 

32 minutes ago, David Normand said:

Generation has different meaning depending upon the context

hahahaha

1) all descendants who are equally distant from the common ancestor

2) members of one knee in relation to the common ancestor; 
people, animals, and objects that connect the age or time of appearance 
(generation of students, writers, new generation of computers).

NOT fantomic "Overlapping generation", this terminology is "Made in USA by WT"   

On 12/6/2017 at 14:35, JW Insider said:

The legal rights to one's own published material include the right to say HOW it is distributed.

:)))) almost all methods of distributing, sharing, sowing of publications is/are acceptable to WT. Only when secular authority or citizens made pressure about some methods then they had been say something to "correct" flock behaviour, or get same goal by other methods.

As i comment in previous comment above, WT have nothing against if some "worldly" person read magazine and share it with other "worldly" person. Is this braking WT legal rights on their protocol how publications must be shared? Where is stated written or verbal instruction that WT publications can be shared only by JW member, baptized or unbaptized? Where is stated written or verbal  ban how WT publications is not possible to receive from "worldly" people, but only legally  way is that such job must have been done by JW member?

On 12/5/2017 at 17:50, DespicableME said:

The use of Watchtower Literature without the expressed consent of the Watchtower.

Here are at least two things.

WT wants that theirs literature to be expand at maximum, in all places, to all people. So if I receive WT magazine from JW member, or find a magazine on the road, or on JW library, I read it and give it to my neighbor to read the same magazine... Does WT get angry about fact that I was without WT knowledge gave their magazine to other people, shared it and talked about content with other people ?? What "legal rights"  they have on that?? NO rights.

But in second thing. If i used their content (get it legally from public sources, as in first example) as whole or as part and to share my opinion on subject with other people... what "legal rights" they have to stop me to do that?? NO rights. 

But they have lawyers and money. And that is answer. Not some fantomic freedom of speech or human rights. Who have power and money he have "rights" and "law" but where is Justice?

is it Justice that WT spread doctrines and no one can said nothing contrary to that? :)))))))

46 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

I was not referring to each individual life .... but the end of this system at Armageddon.

i know, i know James

just nostalgy and "gnosis" about self mortality and of other human gets me in this cold sunny day :)))  

5 minutes ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

5 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

10 hours ago, James Thomas Rook Jr. said:

so, in late 1974, I "caved in", and quit my job in Zaire, the Congo, and flew back home to Virginia to be with my parents when the "end came". 

You should have stayed where you were. The end did come in 1975 but only in Zaire.

Read more  

No TTH... it didn't.

"The End" did NOT come anywhere .... in 1975.

If it had .....  we all would have noticed.

1) funny side of comments is funny 

2) serious side is not funny - every day The End comes for someone's life 

3) ............................................................... ( future will add some brilliant thought on No. 3) :)))))

On 9/15/2017 at 20:43, Anna said:

Now if my mother in law had followed the Slave's instructions as per the video where the daughter returns after 15 years,  she would have not spoken to her daughter for 20 years, nor seen her grandchildren.  I cannot put my finger on it, but something tells me this is not right, it goes against natural human affection and decency that we were created with.

Natural, God given conscience   vs.    Artificial, "bible based conscience" imposed by WT interpretations and rules   simple answer.

32 minutes ago, Anna said:

listening to Br.Herd.

what he said, please? to make you change your mind? in reasoning you made down 

"reason why 1975 was brought up again (at convention) was because it was a reminder that the Slave err, and that some of the new things i.e. the OVERLAPPING GENERATION theory was perhaps to be treated with caution."

because i can not believe that you believe in such logic  you stated

and what kind of logic Herd provide to win your logic

 

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

o protect their own work and protect the context of distribution.

in many examples about doctrinal and instructional things about which we can discuss and about people giving opinions and critics or opposite standpoint than WT have, we do not need to copy/paste all article or book because of "fear" how some critics of WT text are "out of context" in producing opposite view of some WT teaching. 

Some sentences (or even one alone) as part of bigger context can stay for itself as very clear and independent thought of author. With no misunderstanding what particular sentence cary as message, as teaching, as instruction to members. We do not need to always repeat, in writing or in verbal expression, all articles or public talk from GB members, to give prove how we are "In Context" of original text.

Critical look on WT Doctrine is not something that need to be stoped by Law. Because we have more powerful Bible permission on this issue: "TEST the Spirits!" How do you expect that me or you exercise this TESTING if I/you are not allowed by WT, who using hand of secular law, to stop people in their expression about issues that is problematic or are contrary to their conscience or understanding.

WT proved how they are itself as organization, changing all the time so called "bible based teachings" and by that , publicly show that they are not promoting "The Truth" but just human opinion on what truth may/can be, possible is.    

About JW and Jw. In our language (Croatian) grammatical rules are such that J is big first letter and w is small letter. Always been and stayed. No matter of US changing. The only changed Watchtower (magazine) from Kula stražara to Stražarska kula. And KH of JW, because of some grammar clearance of meaning.  

        

22 hours ago, JW Insider said:

the WTS is right in claiming its rights to such material

How would you looked, JWI, on secular WT rights in "publishing and multiplication" of, as claim is coming from WT, so called spiritual food, which/that is in fact obligation from FDS in regard to Masters command (to share), and Masters claim that His food is free for everyone, in connection to Bible "principle" - "Freely you have received; freely give." 

How is possible, then/after that in mind, to looking for material benefit, compensation or something else that is possible to get according to mercantile rules and laws.

Who is real Owner of WT publications intellectual content and all published words? If FDS was not been appointed "over ALL BELONGINGS" in 1919 then they HAVE NOT any of Masters belongings in their hand at all. Does FDS possess, own "words"? Are they Owner of words aka spiritual food? If all teachings are/came from Master then FDS  have no justification in claiming any intellectual or printing rights for such material.

But if it is opposite, if source, producer and owner of all content in WT publication is in human, then they have rights to put their hands on that and ask for protecting own possession, because it came from them not from God. :))

17 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

such literature is not only indicated as free, but "life-saving," "life-improving,"

-fair use rule as far is "fair" for those to whom critics is addressed. WTBTS is proud when can address "argumentative, Bible based" critics, judgement, revealing of hypocrisy in other parts of human society (religious,as first choice and then other, politics and trade systems).

But when observers, critics, ex members or even JW members questioning, reveals inside spiritual and hierarchical structure of doctrines, rules, instructions and corporational moves in aspects of money and such part of life inside WT, then WT consider such behavior as "not fair use", even against law of "publishing rights" or "intellectual property" and against WT freedom of speech, freedom of religion.   

Double standard? or theocratic warfare methods?

9 minutes ago, Noble Berean said:

That is actually hilarious

I do not know when Art Department started to making photos (and after videos) with JW members as actors of JW and non-JW for purpose of illustration in publications and after for real photographs of real people :)))) even in artificial, fictive, SF situations.

42 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

You'd be surprised -- maybe not.

15 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:

That's not true,

Ajajajjjjj :))) Ok..., Please go to video lesson from your 2016 convention, here is link for you to not losing time in searching. From 4:15 and on, Author of this video giving lesson to JW members how things should be in congregation. Every scene in  WT video production have Its Special PURPOSE. It is not by Chance Who is Sitting Where. Actors not picked by self on what chair to sit. Producent did that for them, Producent know why is important who is sitting where.  This Is Message, This is how things need to be, This is way to introducing example that must to be imitated. Because JW members have to Obey all Instructions from Organization no matter how that can look from Human Standpoint (WT study edition nov 2013). "All of us MUST BE READY TO OBEY ANY INSTRUCTIONS we may receive, whether these appear SOUND from a strategic or human standpoint OR NOT."

Video: Mother, Father and sister are sitting separate from family member (daughter, sister) who will be announced from stage about dfd decision by elders. So please, JW members must more carefully observing, listening and looking what is content of videos, cartoons, articles, public talks and so. If you can not see what is obvious to notice... if you not want to believe to some other people who point you to look on some thing.... then no one can help you, only God. :))))

link for video:

 

On 12/4/2017 at 14:14, JW Insider said:

the Art Department at Brooklyn Bethel

this mentioned history is interesting. Inspiration of artist who making pictures have several sources, i guess. :))

16 hours ago, Noble Berean said:

Got a reference for that?

i will look for

21 hours ago, Noble Berean said:

why would we treat them like they don't exist at our meetings?

I have read somewhere in publications how dfd family member can come to meeting in the same car with rest of the family, but he/she can not seat with them in KH, but separate in some other corner of hall, not in the same seats as rest of family. Then when meeting is over he/she can seat in the same car to go back to home.

Imagine how this sound and look so bizarre and unnatural and crazy rule to obey :))))

21 hours ago, Anna said:

P.S. I think if the daughter would be terminally ill, that would be an entirely different kettle of fish

You want to.....

 introduce "precedence" :)))?  exceptions from The Rule?

20 hours ago, Noble Berean said:

JW parents aren't even supposed to pick up the phone when their daughter calls? Imagine if that daughter was terminally ill or had suffered a personal tragedy. Or maybe she just needed some support at a dark time?

Many "illustrations" as in this fictive (or real?) drama or video movies that WT producing for giving "spiritual lessons and guidance" to members, are made in a way to mask or not to show some other circumstances, elements, factors, possibilities that exist in human nature and in responding to such issue in different situations. 

Some mothers, as one in video, would not pick up the phone and talk to dfd child. But some would. This lesson in video was made for those who not obey the rule, and for those who have to learn what to do in some future fictive or not fictive circumstances.

But you put very very good questions. Thanks.      

38 minutes ago, AllenSmith25 said:

They knew I was an active witness, and they held no animosity toward me. We got along just fine.

hehe, you know what people said: do not talk about religion, politics and sport... and you will drink your coffee with person, of opposite stand, in peace :))))))) 

2 minutes ago, AllenSmith25 said:

literature, omitting certain things, and adding

of course, it is possible. But as it was showed in some examples from WT publications in this Forum, WT using such tactics of omitting and skips commas, words, quotation, verses with purpose to misrepresent  other people thoughts and words. Perhaps some bad ex-JW imitate former religion leaders. :))) but we have many ex-JW who are honest and truthful in stating things. If you want you will accept that fact :))    

2 hours ago, AllenSmith25 said:

Yet, the only ones digging the past and bring up *incorrect* information are ex-witnesses.

Sorry if i am bored, but "1975 events", as unpleasant and inseparable part of WT JWorg history, was portion of official convention spiritual food program this year. GB digging their own and yours (members) past. Perhaps GB looking to much apostate channels about 1975 and been provoked to put this same subject as "proper food in proper time" (with late of few decades :)))))))) almost half century.   

1 hour ago, AllenSmith said:

I also warned people against it,

Hi, 

this job you had done in that period looks like Geoffrey Jackson respond before ARC, how GB expects from all members who read/to read Bible and reject all false, error and wrong instructions, teachings that coming from Organization and to filter all teachings and opinions expressed in publications.

No matter of "side effect". :))