16 hours ago, J.R. Ewing said:

THIS FORUM is NOT MEANT TO BE UPLIFTING, just speculative, apparently!!!!

JW org or WT library or JW broadcast is "uplifting". Perhaps you should consider suggestion to spend more time there  

On 11/18/2017 at 22:01, J.R. Ewing said:

To keep informed, then post “all” allegations and lawsuits.

Mr. Ewing, do you think "all" about JW or "all" about all?

On 11/17/2017 at 19:48, Srecko Sostar said:

Other single sis works in kitchen. Very hard job for her and she was and still is very depressed because of working condition.  I said still is, because have saw her (she is in my ex congregation) on street preaching. Not looking happy or satisfied, but she share "good news" - that is irony. You speaking about bright future but with unhappy face.

Just to update this information. She worked in Bethel kitchen before "perestroika". After global reduce of Bethel workers she went to pioneer service. So i supposed how she was as pioneer preacher that day when i saw her. 

52 minutes ago, Gone Fishing said:

Yeah, you're a legend ........in your own mind!

ahhaahha NOOO Fisher.... it is in your mind ...you said, "you're legend"  :)))) i was never said that for myself.

Few more of your statements like this and you will come to be Legend :))))  

48 minutes ago, Gone Fishing said:

any rational thought

-anything what person can imagine is reality -

Before God created things, first he was had;

thought
idea
imagination

Do not forget this.

My imagination is not crazy as you think. Rational ideas are in there :)))  

4 hours ago, Gone Fishing said:

Has anyone given any rational thought as to why mandatory reporting of alleged child abuse cases would make a difference to our process in this matter?

Perhaps for the same reason Pilate have had in Jesus case. Pilate want to get Jesus free, but for me-Pilate, (for us-GB) would be easier   if people (secular government) say what and how to do. And after that he ordered to bring to him water to wash his hands as sign that he have nothing with all that what took  place. And if/when somebody in future say something against, some critics - then he (them-GB) can point finger to other(secular government) and say "they have to take blame for that, not us. 

I have good imagine, don't you think? :))))))))) 

JW Australia sexual abuse list - public 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tQL5RTf_i6K_Ia-_bo51JL00fdw396DCsV-EqE8xrOc/edit#gid=0

Total numbers of alleged victims 1730. But that is not final number. Some perpetrators have 10+ victims and for some, numbers are not known (unclear).

Working with Children Check Policy

The Working with Children Check is a screening mechanism to prevent certain persons from engaging in child-related work.

2.1

This policy takes effect from 15 June 2013 following the implementation of the Child Protection (Working with Children) Act 2012 and the Child Protection (Working with Children) Regulation 2013.

This policy must be applied in conjunction with the Working with Children Check Procedures (15 June 2013).

2.3

This policy applies to people who are employed or engaged (or who are seeking to be employed or engaged) in child-related work in the NSW Department of Education, in any one of the following capacities:

• as a paid employee;
• as a self-employed person or as a contractor or subcontractor;
• as a volunteer;
• as a person undertaking practical training as part of an educational or vocational course (other than as a student undertaking work experience);
• as a minister, priest, rabbi, mufti or other religious leader or spiritual officer of a religion or other member of a religious organisation.

link: https://education.nsw.gov.au/policy-library/policies/working-with-children-check-policy

This would be good to implement, not only in some Australian states, but around the world. 

What Does This Mean for Jehovah’s Witnesses?

For Australian congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the process for appointing an Elder or Ministerial Servant is now a bit more complex than before. In the past, Witness males were recommended for their positions based strictly upon their “spiritual qualifications” – a subjective decision which allowed anyone to rise within the organization with little or no real knowledge of whether they have a criminal background, or if they are a sexual predator. Criminal background checks are non-existent, and the only question posed to a prospective Ministerial Servant or Elder moments before they are appointed is: “Have you ever been involved at any time in the past with child sexual molestation?” – [Elder’s Manual 2010, Chapter 3 Section 13] The answer to this question has always been based on the “honor system” – and you can be certain that a child molester would never answer such a question in the affirmative. 

During the 2015 Royal Commission investigation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia, counsel assisting the Royal Commission, Angus Stewart QC, queried Watchtower Service Department chief Rodney Spinks, who admitted that the Watchtower organization had been completely disinterested in cooperating with the “Working with Children Check.”

It seems that for the appointment of men in the JW Assembly, apart from the permission of the Holy Spirit, the elders, the provincial supervisor aka CO and the GB, is needed also a secular license for working with children. :)))

History of this subject in one short article:

https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-tab-for-child-sex-abuse-secrecy-2m-and-counting/

10 hours ago, Gone Fishing said:

Doesn't matter where you go.

Thanks! From article you provide:  

"It is also reported that the abbey asked the court not to allow the claim because the seriousness of the allegations was likely to attract attention that may threaten the continued existence of the abbey.

The women accepted what the Guardian describes as "meagre" compensation payments and received no apology.

The solicitor representing the women, Tracey Emmott, told The Guardian: "It took the issuing of court proceedings before the out of court settlements were offered and even then my client's request for a formal apology as part of the settlement package was never forthcoming."

Even Roman Catholic pope have done apology in public, i heard on TV. As i can see, GB "popes" have no intention to say something similar. What thinking they have? What kind of hearts they have?

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10 hours ago, J.R. Ewing said:

There’s a fine line between being informed and simply posting. To keep informed, then post “all” allegations and lawsuits.

Thank you very much for links you provide. How many more exists on this terrible crime. As i read articles one thing is very common to all this, no matter is Catholic, Anglicans, Jehovah's Witnesses or others. All of them, church leaders aka priests aka elders - covered up and keep in secrets from police and other governmental services. On this Forum i see many JW participate in informations. So, first clean the floor in your house, then tell other to do the same. Or as Jesus said this much better than me. "Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye but do not notice the rafter in your own eye?+ ⁴  Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? ⁵  Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye." - Mat 7:3-5 NWT

Some quotes from articles you put show how  acts are very similar no matter which church is: 

It was seen as sin. Today we see it as a sin, but we also see it as a crime.'  - Valéry Vienneau, Moncton archbishop

"Fernand Arsenault, a priest - He accused the church of turning a blind eye to the abuse and concealing the crimes of those priests. "It's a terrible mistake," said Arsenault. "Because we would have saved many lives." Arsenault said that years ago, if a priest reported another priest, he would have been punished, not the abuser. But the church, in every filed statement of defence, has systematically denied knowing about any of the abuse at the time."

How looks Bible advice if you somehow came to legal problems with others?! Indirectly or directly question also arise; would WT Legal Department need to reconsider "tactics and theocratic warfare" they using in connection with child molestation cases?! Or does Jesus words are counsel for members (rank and file aka ordinary members of an organization) only?

 Matthew 5:25,26:

"Be quick to settle matters with your legal opponent, while you are with him on the way there, so that somehow the opponent may not turn you over to the judge, and the judge to the court attendant, and you get thrown into prison. 26 I say to you for a fact, you will certainly not come out of there until you have paid over your last small coin."

A group of alleged sexual abuse survivors from across the country have filed a $66-million class action lawsuit against the Jehovah’s Witness, CityNews has learned.

The victims are seeking $20 million for damages from sexual and mental abuse by elders, $20 million for failing to protect children, and another $20 million for breach of duty of care.

links:

http://www.680news.com/2017/10/02/66m-class-action-sex-abuse-suit-filed-jehovahs-witnesses/

http://mcstclassactions.com/

3 hours ago, Gone Fishing said:

https://factuk.org/

Latest News

• Warning to all wrongfully accused: keep all your records safe even when you think your case is closed

  Retain All Your Records in a Safe Dry Place even when you think Your Case Is Closed This may be especially pertinent […

This remind me on  WT Letter addressed to all elders to DESTROY all notes and previous  WTLetters  on child molestation issues.

18 minutes ago, Gone Fishing said:

Get real!!

FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD DOWN -Idioms

Meaning

It refers to failing organizations and how the blame of it should be on its ‘head’ that is its leadership.

:)) I am not from Turkey, hahah, but not also far away (cca 1800 km). 

5 hours ago, Anna said:

Indeed it's hard to imagine, therefor I will logically deduce that this wasn't deliberate, but rather a mistake that has been going on for decades in all institutions, including government institutions and the courts. If you read the articles I posted the links to you will begin to understand. NO ONE deliberately, and with malicious intent allows a child to be molested.

Generally i can agree with thoughts you present here. Because i, as you, want to believe that human are honest and sincere, always.  But i am wrong in such conclusion :)))).

There is a proverb;   "fish stinks from the head"

5 hours ago, Anna said:

Officially the Elders might not feel they can do so, but anyone else can!

If one elder see himself as,not feel he can do so, or not capable, or not fit to catch himself with issue, or not with same thoughts as Company - then would be honestly from him to step away from such position.

Also, elders are not ordinary members of church.

And on - "but anyone else can". No they can not because "anyone else" have not "privileged informations". 

7 hours ago, Anna said:

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G. Jackson: “But the point I was trying to make, Mr Stewart, is there are other scriptural factors that maybe make that a little complicated, and it would certainly be a lot easier if we had mandatory laws on that”.

haha, so G.J. want to watering, dilute God's s word with secular laws. He want "mandatory laws" and by that have "justification" to put some "scriptural factors" down ???!!! 

8 hours ago, Anna said:

G. Jackson: “The point being, here, another aspect that an elder needs  to consider is he does not have the authority to lord it over or take over control of a family arrangement, where a person - let's say it is a victim who is 24 or 25 years of age - has a right to decide whether or not they will report that incident. They also respect the family arrangement that the appointed guardian, who is not the perpetrator, has  a certain right, too.  So this is the spiritual dilemma that we have, because at the same time, we want to make sure that children are cared for. So if the government does happen to make mandatory reporting, that will make this dilemma so much easier for us, because we all want the same goal,that children will be cared for properly”.

Last sentence would comment.

Bible revealed "mandatory reporting" on its pages. And WT GB very clearly explaining that to its members, to all JW around the World. Anna, you for sure know many bible verses about that and how WT publications interpretations on such issue must be, have be practiced, enforced in all JW congregations.

So, as i see things, G. Jackson just looking for excuses in front ARC.  Here is what was also been said in ARC:

"Mr Geoffrey Jackson agreed that all policies of the JehovahÂ’s Witness organisation are subject to scriptural principles and that the Governing Body approves all policies to ensure that they are in keeping with the Scriptures.96

Branch offices around the world, including the Australia Branch Office,99 may write articles for the Awake! and The Watchtower publications, but the articles must be submitted to the Governing BodyÂ’s Writing Committee for approval.100

Mr Jackson and Mr Toole told the Royal Commission that Branch Offices may adjust policy letters issued by the Governing Body to reflect the requirements of local laws.101 Mr Jackson said that it would be unusual for a Branch Office to publish its own manual or guidelines on responding to allegations of child sexual abuse.102 From at least the 1990s, under the direction of the Governing Body,103 the Australia Branch Office has periodically issued directives in the form of letters addressed to all bodies of elders providing instruction on how to respond to allegations of child sexual abuse.104"

Current policy on child sexual abuse

Mr Spinks told the Royal Commission that the current polices of the JehovahÂ’s Witness organisation for dealing with an allegation of child sexual abuse are outlined in:105

• the Bible (the English edition published by the Jehovah’s Witness organisation is the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures)

• the current elders’ handbook, Shepherd the Flock of God106

• Jehovah’s Witness organisation publications available to all congregants approaching baptism,107 such as Organized to Do Jehovah’s Will108

• guidelines issued by the Governing Body to all branch offices in August 2013 on how Service Desks should field questions from elders about child abuse matters109

• letters sent to all bodies of elders – in particular, the letter of 1 October 2012,110 which consolidated into one letter the spiritual advice and guidance provided in various letters from preceding years as to how Jehovah’s Witnesses handle allegations of child abuse111

• The Watchtower magazine article entitled ‘Let Us Abhor What is Wicked’, published in January 1997, which clarifies in biblical terms the principles a congregation should have regard to in considering how a ‘child molester’ should be viewed and treated.112

SO BY THIS I WOULD MAKE THIS CONCLUSION;

 DID NOT WT CORPORATION (HQ) BEEN AWARE FOR DECADES ABOUT LAW MANDATORY REPORTING OR NOT REPORTING, NOT ONLY IN AUSTRALIA BUT AROUND THE WORLD'?? IN ALL OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE WT COMPANY OPERATE??

AND BECAUSE WT JWORG IS UNIFIED,  IN UNITY AND UNIQUE  AS  GOD'S ORGANIZATION, UNDER THE SAME SPIRIT, AND HAVE SAME TEACHINGS, DOCTRINES AND INSTRUCTIONS AROUND THE WORLD - THEN WHY GB NOT HAVE THE SAME  PROTOCOL AND PRINCIPLES AND INSTRUCTIONS FOR ELDERS IN EVERY SINGLE CONGREGATION AND FOR AVERY BRO AND SIS IN THERE'?? IN ONE COUNTRY ELDERS WILL REPORT AND IN OTHER NOT ??????????????

G. JACKSON WAS INSTRUCTED BA LAWYERS WHAT AND HOW TO TESTIMONY. HE WAS NOT GUIDED BY HOLY SPIRIT.

Sorry for big letters. Nothing bad,  no angry mood, just to accent    

6 hours ago, AllenSmith said:

spiritually mature Christian can REVERT back to a child spiritually, and then, complain, they don’t understand?

GB doing this periodically with excuses/explanation how "new light get brighter", was came on them and because that they changed teaching... and they, GB, literally using words how they not understand something in the past....but  now they do. "Now" will last to another changing of doctrine. 

Is reasoning (rationale) in your sentence possible to apply on GB? :)))

7 hours ago, Anna said:

Just give me a couple of hours. Just starting on dinner.

Bon apetite!

Thanks for polite and mindful respond. Rare characteristic this days  ..... here :))))))

2 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

Fire away!!! NO ONE is preventing you from exercising your right to "free will". That, in essence, is what gets people into trouble, especially sick minds that exercise it. I just happen to know what your overall view is about the Watchtower, that I can apply the following, honestly!!

Romans 16:18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.

you do manipulate with this bible verse on how to apply it on those who have opposite opinion compared with yours :)))

2 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

Yes, I've been waiting to read some reasoning from you as well!!!

No, i will not wrote more, even not some verse from Proverbs because it would seems manipulative to you if i would quote them here :)))))))))))   

11 minutes ago, AllenSmith said:

It still your rationale. I didn't suggest, it was a good one, when "all" you show, is the manipulation of Watchtower literature, and distortion of scripture.

 

very sad to hear your conclusion! without real reasoning and ... ahh better to save my air and not to try respond more than this  

 

42 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

G Jackson pleaded to the ARC to make their laws uniform, which would make JWs job so much easier  

Please, show me place where G. Jackson said that, that i would be able to check for myself, thanks! 

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/getattachment/c2d1f1f5-a1f2-4241-82fb-978d072734bd/Report-of-Case-Study-No-29

"Authority to produce or revise child sexual abuse policy

Mr Geoffrey Jackson said that the Governing Body’s expectation is that Branch Offices around the world will act in accordance with the procedures and guidelines set out in the 2015 Branch Organization Manual.113 Mr O’Brien told the Royal Commission that ‘the theocratic or Scriptural direction that the Governing Body provides, is the same in every branch and for all Jehovah’s Witnesses, worldwide’.114 Mr O’Brien explained that the Branch Committee faithfully implements and follows the direction of the Governing Body.115 Mr Toole said that Jehovah’s Witness congregations in Australia take their direction and instructions from the Branch Office.116

It is apparent that the Governing Body retains authority over the general principle and framework of all publications in the name of the Jehovah’s Witness organisation, and any view or perspective contrary to the Governing Body’s interpretation of the Scriptures is not tolerated."