Srecko Sostar

WT said this words applied to policeman, inspectors, soldiers, officers .... of secular government ---not elders and judicial committee

:))) hehe, not only freedom of speech. That makes ground for my own "old light" and "new light". (A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. "New Light" never extinguishes older "light" but adds to it…" Zion's Watch Tower 1881 Feb pp.3,188.) Or as WT magazines proves "Lights get brighter" ---- not only for WT but for me also :))))))))))

I will put this verse to some topic. Loyalty and Truth. Two moral powers that can exist on same level. Are you loyally love your failed "friend" at all times". In bad times, not only in good times? Can your brotherhood with him, and his with your, be born in "adversity"? If you start to shun, ignore, reject him because he is "sinner", how you will fulfilled Proverbs? Or Jesus words - LOVE YOUR ENEMY? “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,..." Is your failed friend your enemy?? Is your dfd brother from cong. your enemy?? If it is LOVE HIM. If he is not LOVE HIM.

Thanks, this is sure one of best answer, if not the only one, the best comment that someone made, not only to this topic, but also for few similar topics. And for wisdom person who read it give, bring to be more wise. Who hear let's hear, who read let's read -and take a lesson. :))

No, i am not. But i heard that some elders in particular congregation came to knowledge about one bro who have homosexual inclinations. And they solve that issue by giving him this kind of solution. Be gay, but not have sex with other male. Thanks for funny side :)) But i can be sure about your cognitive abilities that you see the point with this verses. All human are sinners, by accident or by half intention or by full intention to doing bad. And according to sinful state of mind and heart, no matter is that sinning last 2-5 seconds, 15 minutes or on daily basis, once a year, or in some other frequency. if Jesus mean literally what he said, then all would have to face judicial committee :)))))

yes you said right, i forget that GB abandoned type and antitype model of interpretation :))))))

While reading again your comment i found some parallel in OT rules and NT rules. About sinners. If OT congregation found you guilty and found reason to sentenced you in finally way, all congregants would stone the sinner to the dead. But in 1 century NT congregations introduced new rules on sinners. They are not using stones any more. They using new the type of weapon. After some judicial process, similar or not to the original way of investigation and judging given by Law, congregant was using in first place - words (to judge person) and after that silence, ignoring, dfd (to stone person).  Of course this observation is in err if WT interpretation on NT reports are mistakenly representing how to be applied this or that bible verse. Like their explanation on excommunication was  in 1947 Awake, totally opposite to later standpoint which came to power and is until now.    Â

how spicy would be if I would talked about mine ....:)))))))))))

Comparison of religious system is not so bad to do. You respond on my question, asking "Who is closer to Bible truth? JW or Amish?" with one more example of Scientology. Thanks. But, if i agree with you in statement about "only two possibilities" would i hear your opinion on the issue Who is closer to Bible instruction about treatment, handling with "sinners" inside congregation?? JW, Amish or Scientology? I will ask you the same 3 times. 3 is symbolic number :))))) This is second time asking. hehe

We are just humans, and we all have our good and bad. And must be able, have courage to say it. This afternoon i was recal one simple and "not important" behaviour in some other every day circumstances. Let me tell you. The brother from the former assembly often parks his car on the parking lot, near the school where I work. This is a parking lot for my colleague school staff and two other institutions in the same building. He has no right to park there, but he still does. But what is ironic is this. After I left JWorg, he did not want to greet me on the street when we met each other once, twice. But when his car was "trapped" in the parking lot because the ramp was down, he sent me an SMS message and asked me to help him get out. :)) Hypocrisy or not?

Perhaps GB as part of Kingdom administration (Kings , Priests....) have clear and sound position on this question. :)))

As it is written in Bible, we have this: 1)God made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law 2)Religious people made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law 3)Secular authorities made execution or some kind of punishment for ignoring/disobeying Divine Law principles that are incorporated in Secular Law

This is unclear. I think it is clear. Bible wrote that God has said, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways,"

just counting natural things of human life, nothing more or less.

1 Samuel 14:31-35New International Version (NIV) 31 That day, after the Israelites had struck down the Philistines from Mikmash to Aijalon, they were exhausted. 32 They pounced on the plunder and, taking sheep, cattle and calves, they butchered them on the ground and ate them, together with the blood. 33 Then someone said to Saul, “Look, the men are sinning against the Lord by eating meat that has blood in it.” :)))))) and going to toilet for small or big need is also natural.....

Quotations from JWorg. It can be on other issue also, but this is also interesting: my comments are in red color. "While the Bible disapproves of homosexual acts, it does not condone hatred of homosexuals or homophobia. Instead, Christians are directed to “respect everyone.”—1 Peter 2:17, Good News Translation. Question: How JW show respect to everyone if are not willing to say even hello on street to person who is: everyday sinner, in process of cleaning from sin, in the state of repentance and not doing sin, in a process of fighting against own bad desires with more or less success? Can a person be born homosexual? The Bible doesn’t comment directly on the biology of homosexual desires, though it acknowledges that we are all born with a tendency to go against what God commands. (Romans 7:21-25) Rather than focus on the cause of homosexual desires, however, the Bible prohibits homosexual acts. the Bible speaks of “those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts,” and then it adds: “That is what some of you were.”—1 Corinthians 6:9-11. In saying “that is what some of you were,” does the Bible mean that those who stopped engaging in homosexual acts never again experienced any homosexual desires? That could hardly be the case, because the Bible also exhorts: “Keep walking by spirit and you will carry out no fleshly desire.”—Galatians 5:16. As to my knowledge from JWorg publications, person who is homosexual is allowed to be baptized and to become member of JW cong as long as he/she not practicing such behavior. In other words, Bro John Doe is a gay, but because he is passive gay or pedophile or ... (he can have desire, and he have desire) because he have good self control and not practicing sinful desire, he can be invite for lunch in some family with ...minor kids.!? Note that the Bible does not say that a Christian will never experience an improper desire. Rather, it says that he or she will choose not to carry out that desire. Christians learn to bring such desires under control, not dwelling on them to the point of acting on them.—James 1:14, 15. [6] The Bible thus makes a distinction between inclinations and practices. (Romans 7:16-25) A person who has homosexual leanings can control what he allows his mind to dwell on, just as he would control any other wrong desire, including leanings toward anger, adultery, and greed.—1 Corinthians 9:27; 2 Peter 2:14, 15. While Jehovah’s Witnesses uphold the moral code set forth in the Bible, they do not force their views on others. Nor do they try to reverse laws that protect the human rights of those whose lifestyle differs from theirs. The message that Jehovah’s Witnesses bear is a positive one, and they eagerly share it with all who will listen.—Acts 20:20. But Jesus said, someone who have sinful thoughts, desires he already made a sin. No matter did he engaging in act or not. So, this is somehow in opposition to explanation we read before in text by JWorg. So, did someone who have just desire and never done nothing to realized it (he is made sin in mind and heart, and by Jesus words, he is wrongdoer) braking the unwritten law said by Jesus. Mat 5:27,28 "You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Does JW members take a stand about this (statement from Jesus) according to Bible or they need to reconsider rules about this matter?

By your opinion, in this matter - Who is closer to Bible truth? JW or Amish?

Divine Law is above our philosophizing. Or also, will said, above speculation by GB. None of us, mostly nobody, has any difficulty understanding the basic moral provisions that are the content in Divine Law. Some of the basics are presented in the 10 commandments. Jesus' 2 commandments are essence on all 10 and all 1110 or more if you like. And this is the closest to, what i have named, Natural Conscience, because the Source of Human conscience is WHO? GOD! We as some kind people of "faith", "believers" would normally be in harmony on that and such reasoning and statement. Would we? Bible said so. "Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the Law, since they show that the work of the Law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them." - Rom 12 God is the source of Perfect conscience in Adam and Eve, but He is also Source of Imperfect conscience in all people after them. If God have no problem to accept imperfect human conscience and products of such conscience,  by what license, by whose permission, GB have, GB takes the right to have authority over Conscience of JW members. How he acquired such a right? He named himself (self-appointed) as Distributor of "food" and an Official interpreter of "words" ("Guardians of doctrine" according to G. Jackson  testimony in front ARC) So because of the fact how all people around the Earth have very close, similar moral standards. And that is the core of that part of my comments and discussion. And because that state of Conscience which is common to all humans,  it is not natural how GB making "interpretations on some Bible text" and by interpretations create rules that directs, channeled/ing people's emotions, mind and deeds. Directed criticism at the policy of the WT does not include discussion of the basic moral demands we are obliged to do! Obligated as Human, not as Members of this or that.    Â

TTH i get it now.... i think :)))) double negations in sentence make my conclusion as it was. In other words you said, paraphrasing; "Christian congregation tell Witness families they must to avoid any association with dfd children." ... are instructed to avoid any association with a disfellowshipped family member. Give me like symbol, pleeeease :)))) Â

:)))) perhaps i need "simplified edition"

If you "believe" in something what you see or hear directly that is not faith or "believing". You need to reconsider  the concept of belief, believing. If you not want or if you can not accepting reality how that is possible and more of that, how that happened in some JW congregations, your personal attitude and opinion, not deleting reality of life events. Â

Are you serious? All meetings are Public Meetings and Open for Public. What Happens at Our Meetings? Jehovah’s Witnesses hold meetings for worship twice each week. (Hebrews 10:24, 25) At these meetings, which are open to the public, we examine what the Bible says and how we can apply its teachings in our life. Watchtower Company is PRIVATE company, and all real estate are also in PRIVATE POSSESSION of the Company Inc. BUT MEETINGS are open for all Public, members and non-members. It is like in Catholic Church. Church is in possession of Private Owners but it is free enter for all public. Believers, tourists, opposers, JW members ...hehe

Apologize, did I not understand this sentence quite correct?  "...Christian congregation does not tell Witness families not to associate with df'd children.".... I based my comment on this particular sentence. Â

2016 Convention movie program rejects, disproves such yours conviction. At 6:15 phone ringing but mum ignored daughter call. Â