Srecko Sostar
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15 hours ago, Anna said:
new circumstances, but the principles behind them do no change
Dear , "new circumstances" are in this; problem of child molestation in JWorg are incredibly huge. And it was "huge" because of numbers of victims and court cases, and millions of $ that WT Corporation have to pay. It is also because it was hidden in front JW members all this decades.
"Principles" is/are something else. Principles are not that, after reading some bible verses or reports man come to conclusion, to inspirational "new light" and say; "this is bible principle!" No, verses, events that you are reading are other people experience and way how they solve their problems. That is not always role model how you, today must solving your problems.
"Principles" - with this word, especially when someone add "Bible principles", human leaders in WT corp. are caused more problems than would be without such idea.
Bible is "TWO EDGED SWORD" !
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On 9/28/2017 at 18:58, Gone Fishing said:
alternative suggestions.
Hi, as i see you have good intention. But in JW org there is/are no alternative nor suggestions. Only "obey" WT. :)
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“Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." -
Biblical practice that was legalized on the level of religious and political authority in the Israeli people.
As all Bible books are inspired, than this particular text, reports are given by authority of god through Moses and other leaders in those patriarchal days are also for benefit not only for past days but for this days too :)). But it should be borne in mind that such customs, in fact laws, war laws and other laws, are not unique to the Israeli nation alone. This was the case with the nations that existed before Israel, during Israel and after Israel.
So, that is how we come to the first question. Why does the Israeli newborn nation have, as some today presume, "exalted, superior moral laws", but in these decrees, are the same as the laws of pagan peoples.
Go through books, Numbers 31, Deuteronomy 13:16; 20:14; Judge 5:30, and especially for this comment i would put accent on Deuteronomy 21:10-14. After reading verses and context, ask your conscience as first step - Would you do that as male, soldier for god?? How would you respond if your family been attacked from such soldiers? And if you female - how would you feel that strangers kill your family and took you with them as war spoil? To take you because you are beautiful and virgin, because he, soldier want you? What is inspired and divine and loving in such commands?
But, hey this is normal practice for pagans and normal "bible" practice for god's chosen people.
Here we come to issue of slavery. . When the Bible refers to female slaves who do not “please” their masters, we’re talking about the sexual use of slaves. Likewise when the Bible spells out the conditions for marrying a slave (see Exodus 21:7-11). We have examples as Abraham and Sara. Sara gave her female slave to be sexual slave to her husband for particular reason. We have Joseph who has been in young age, slave for others, but later he became lord, dynast and have own slaves, and generating slavery in Egypt, in time of food shortage. We can talk also about, military slavery, debt slavery and economic slavery for reasons of natural catastrophes and social problems on small or grand scale.
If someone think that slavery has been better, more compassionate, more merciful in Israel then in "pagan" nations i will put ? on that.
To go back on the beginning of post, practice and customs in old Israel today causing disgust and disbelief in modern people's life even, i supposed in the mind of every normal JW member. Celebrating birth of own child looks very harmless and innocent to me.
Have a good day and night without nightmares after picturing, visualize yourself bible events and customs and practice about which you will never hear, study in public talks or study editions of WT
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1 hour ago, John Houston said:
I want to hear this!
hehe, ok i will take time, not immediately, please be little patient, and will pick few things that was "biblical" practice of old Jew nation. Such things, rules, paragraphs was incorporate in the Law, and by that legislative body in Israel nation was just obey what God has said (if God said that!?) and legalised practice, custom and rules that, in fact was not, i think, something specific for nation of Israel only, but for all or many other nations way of dealing with similar life matters in those time.
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11 hours ago, Nana Fofana said:
They didn't say angels did they?
I was not listen yet Annual Meeting, in fact this is meeting which should be called with real name Annual Shareholders assembly :))))
Ok, on angels. Nothing is new about that. They always have this idea, of helping angels, because of some bible texts. And they promote that idea from time to time. For us who has been inside JW for long time, knowing that very well. For newbie is new.
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13 minutes ago, Bible Speaks said:
Keep reading the Chariot is on the MOVE!
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:)))) i would not call you naive but sincere, it sounds better
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12 minutes ago, Bible Speaks said:
Learn what the Master says today!
Oh dear, do you want to tell by this sentence how Master has been silence in past decades? and that He is not One who showed old light to GB/FDS?
I am not "attacking" without knowledge about "old and new light". What i am doing is something that is very good in fact. Actually -
1) „It is not religious persecution for an informed person to expose publicly a certain religion as being false. … To make a public exposure of false religion is … a public service.“ - Watchtower magazine, Nov 15, 1963, Article: „Execution of Divine Judgement upon False Religion“, page 688, par. 3.
2) It also does not hold back from exposing religious falsehood.—Matthew 15:9; 23:27, 28. - https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/which-religion-is-true/
As you can see "old light" from 1963 is the same as "new light" on JW library in 21 century. In other words nothing has changed, The Same Light Still Shining.
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6 minutes ago, Bible Speaks said:
Not a Biblical practice
6 minutes ago, Bible Speaks said:“There is nothing better for them than to rejoice and to do good during one’s life; and also that every man should eat and indeed drink and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God.
Dear BS, Biblical practice is very wide concept. And some Bible practice that God JHVH allowed and even commanded through the law, prophets, priests and kings is something that would not be good to practice today. Do not "force" me :))) to count bible reports about old Jew practice.
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1 hour ago, Bible Speaks said:
the Jews did not believe in Birthdays neither did Jesus
I do not understand the semantic in your wording choice, selection
"I do not believe in birthday."
What is "birthday" that anyone should believe in that? :)))
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1 hour ago, Bible Speaks said:
Jesus inaugurated
Jesus never told nothing against custom or people who celebrate birthday. What Bible report said that he proclaimed how celebrating birthday is a sin, against God? But he counted some other things as bad, didn't he?
Wedding rings, white dress for bride, cake, wedding anniversary (aka birthday of marriage) and similar customs have "pagan" source, but still JW members doing this all and more. So please, be kind and look both side of medal.
What today JW or anyone else have with Jewish customs and traditions? But you put all that as role models and guidance as something that will pleased God if we imitate. Did not God all that Jewish stuffs live in fire and dust?
And Jesus was not "ordinary" Jew. Why you compare him with other people of his time. He came to change everything from the very fundament. Not only to change but to replace all that what Jewish had. He is the first one who sit and eat and fun with sinners, HE changed The LAW with such behaviour. And you today have problem if somebody want to memorize the day of birth. Awake dear
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“Because Christians can be loyal both to God and to earthly governments they can take oaths of allegiance to defend the Constitution, as is required of citizens in some countries in order to get a passport.” Watchtower 1964 Sep 15 p.551
“Christians refused to . . . sacrifice to the emperor’s genius—roughly equivalent today to refusing to salute the flag or repeat the oath of allegiance.” Watchtower 1975 Aug 15 p. 497
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Mat 1:18- "This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about : ...
Luke 2:11- "Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; he is the Messiah, the Lord. 12 This will be a sign to you: You will find a baby wrapped in cloths and lying in a manger.” 13 Suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God and saying, ..."
Mat. 2:11- "On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh."
This is the third mentioned birthday in the Bible besides two you mentioned. And as we all very clearly can see it is nothing against God if people rejoicing and giving present to person that was born on particular day.
Children that has been killed by Herod are not killed because birthday party for Jesus (angels, great company of heaven, shepherds, parents, singing, gifts) but because Herod.
Thanks for good post :)))
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13 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:
It matters little what is said - what matters is who says it.
Yes Tom and in this issue you exercise this method on me. I gave you real example supported with evidence. But no, you turn, spin that and told that it is not matter because i said that :))))
In fact WT said incorrect "story" in Reasoning book and left impression on readers how this conclusion about stake is done by "worldly" writer. Who have salts in head will see.
Next thing. Cross or torture stake, both looks paganic, and have source in pagan customs and symbolism. Both looks like penis. So if you think you win it is far from that. Religious people who advocates this or that version must first accept main thing about symbols and objects inside customs and traditions they have in own religion - to not worship nothing and nobody but God. So, you as JW not worship cross, but in the same time members and Society using also idolatry symbols that must not have been, originated in old pagan religion. But WT creating own modern paganism started with watchtower drawing (picture) on magazines and memos, flags with JWorg logo and others. Not to mentioned rejected crown and cross in the beginning published magazines. So please why giving lessons to others while in same time doing the same blasphemy?
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9 hours ago, b4ucuhear said:
note that Srecko did acknowledge his error. Not so great was still trying to spin it into a negative right after...
"after we make you you safe you will be saved"
Thanks Hear. In this example i show simply and plain that hearer of somebody talk can interpret his words as he, the listener understand it. And that understanding or interpretation must not be wrong in my case, as you suggest (if i understand you correctly
). In fact all message about apostate and internet give me conclusion that i am rightly interpreting all elements of his speech, talk on TV and that is - context, words, meaning, message, nonverbal speech, gestures, mimics, facial expressions, tone of voice and word choice.
I am stupid, but not too much :)))))))))
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6 hours ago, b4ucuhear said:
the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of it's literal (intended) meaning
Using written and spoken words is not always easy to express one's thoughts. Not even between people who speak the same language. In the lexicon of each nation there are synonyms and antonyms. There are single and multiple words. There are metaphors and metonymy. There are homonyms, homographs and homophones. And much more.
In order for the two speakers ( interlocutors) to be able to understand one another, much has to be in common when using the same language. Both must know exactly how to convey the thought. Both must know one meaning or more meaning of the same word and how to use it in particular kontext. Both must know how to understand the thought. And the thought behind the word. Both must know why there is a misunderstanding and how to resolve the misunderstanding. The problem of interpretation of what is written or pronounced certainly exists in mutual communication.
One example of this is WT's practice of turning the blame on the 1975 teachings and interpretation on the followers. A similar thing happens with some other instructions. Not only with so called "prophecies", or GB wishes that their interpretation on Bible text looks like "prophecies", thinking (process of thinking) which should to be advanced and sees things that will just happen (around the corner :)))).
6 hours ago, b4ucuhear said:intellectual dishonesty was used to support
I will continue on "dishonesty" with this example, and there is much more. Everyone knows how starting the topic of "the cross" in the Reasoning book. I will copy/paste this part from Reasoning book;
Reasoning from the Scriptures, page 89, Cross, JWorg library;
The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: “The Greek word for cross, [stau·rosʹ], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. . . . Even amongst the Romans the crux(from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole.”—Edited by P. Fairbairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376.
BUT GO TO ORIGINAL TEXT and see dropped text. WT put dots (...) instead text.
The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: “The Greek word for cross, [stau·rosʹ], properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung, or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. But a modification was introduced as the dominion and usages of Rome extended themselves through Greek speaking countries.
Even amongst the Romans the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright pole and this always reminded the more prominent part. But from the time that it began to be used as an instrument of punishment a transverse piece of wood was commonly added; not, however, always even than..... The following text continues, describing the types of crosses and the ways in which the convicts were murdered...,others extending their arms on a patibulum. There can be no doubt, however, that the latter sort was the more common and that about the period of the gospel age crucifixion was usually accomplished by suspending the criminal on a cross piece of wood. But this does not itself determine the precise form of the cross; .... The following text continues by describing 3 types of crosses. —Edited by P. Fairbairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376
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6 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:
People change their minds. There is no shame in saying that.
But if you carry on that the only reason you could have reversed a decision you made is that you were brainwashed - surely that is pathetic.
I agree, there is no shame to change minds. I show you that i feel no shame for my change
Only reason? No. :))))))
Every of us can be brainwashed (deceived - in this religion matter) and claim how that it is not case with him, and not able to see that in fact it is the case :))))))) Will lunatic ever confess that he is crazy? ahahahaha
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12 hours ago, Stephen D. Robinson said:
"Should I join a religion that
I am just giving my thoughts about how I view anyone ..
BOTTOM LINE: APOSTATES ARE JUST PLAIN STUPID.
Thanks for sharing your feelings. Yes, Feelings, not Thoughts, because, dear ex brother, i can see that from your copy/paste method of text that is not your deep thoughts. You just expressed your strong feelings, nothing more.
Thanks for calling people like me stupid.
I will give/turn to you my other cheek too, so you can slap me once again :))))))
For me is more important to do this, "come out", than to join some religion....4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues.
Come out ... He said, not - Go in ...
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51 minutes ago, Queen Esther said:
apostate/s
Definition of apostate
:one who commits apostasy
Definition of apostasy
plural apostasies
1:an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
2:abandonment of a previous loyalty :defection
Yes Esther, i was done that after 40 years in JW church :)) and because that i have more informations and more insight. An that have nothing with a claim or assumption about my time.:)
1. To Society Watch Tower, Watchtower and corporations
2. To Jehovah's Witnesses and all assemblies
3. To all whom this concern
Declaration on termination of membership to a religious community of Jehovah's Witnesses
I was baptized in 1977 at the age of 17, then a minor. But, in good faith I answered the following two questions just before baptism, which is symbolized my dedication to God in terms of the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses religion.
At that time (before the change of June 1 1985) questions have read as follows;
A) Have you repented of your sins and converted, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?
B) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?
Since I have over decades closely followed the changes in various aspects of activity of this religion, I noticed some frequent collisions (1 John 4:1; 1 Th 5:21). It is visible in: a) the content of the various interpretations; b) in the theory and practice of action in everyday life issues. Overview of many historical aspects of the spiritual heritage, which the organization has, since its inception in the 19th century, left to its members-followers, and wants to cover it up, revise and incorrect display, is astounding. Who wants to drink a water from a cup in which there is a single drop of dangerous substances?
The purpose of my statement is not to explain doctrine and practices of society and the board of directors, who are disturbed my conscience and reasoning within the love, faith, knowledge and understanding that I feel and I have to God and Jesus Christ and to the people, so I will taxatively single out only a few of them (Rom 14:4). These are obvious example, on the one hand, theological acrobatics from the main church body of Jehovah's Witnesses, and on the other hand, their dishonesty and practice in which one they are learns, and other they are works;
1) Confusing conceptions about their own identity (Who shared spiritual food? One servant, all 144 000, a composite body or the governing body ...,)
2) Pragmatism in changing dogmatic interpretations before the change was "firmly biblical established", such as a series of explanations about the "generation" ...,
3) Speculation about the meaning of biblical statements and how they should be understood. More than once the revised interpretation were in style of YES-NO-YES-NO; then this year's "changed approach to the interpretation of reports from the Word of God" ...,
4) Switching of responsibility from the governing body and their representatives on the ordinary believers in respect of the decisions and attitudes that members should be carried out, when it becomes apparent that they were endangered spiritually, mentally and literally health of fellow believers (eg, multiple expectations of Armageddon, Malawi and Mexico of the 1970s, questions about blood, juvenile members / Bulgaria /, neutrality ...,)
5) Co-operation and association with political organizations such as the UN and the OSCE.
6) Increasingly open calls for financial donations and contributions to the funds of the corporation.
7) Careless and unkind treatment of victims of pedophilia within the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses
Regardless of how, as collective or personal, members of the Jehovah's Witnesses will treat me after this letter of resignation, considering the worldwide-known practice of ignoring and avoiding (shunning) that Jehovah's Witnesses apply to all who are outside of their religion ("worldly" people, dissociated and disfellowshipped) - I with fully conscious and reason declare still this; My relationship with the people / persons in the Jehovah's Witness religion and those who are not, is based on the words of Jesus; "Love your neighbor as yourself"; "Love those who hate you"; "Whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them."
I expecting from you, that any kind of information which is stored anywhere, in connection with me and has my full name, such as personal files, or any other files you immediately destroy!
Zagreb, July 27/2015 Srećko Šoštar -------------
Verified by notary public
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1 hour ago, Stephen D. Robinson said:
There is a huge difference between respectful submission and active support.
:))))))) i do not not how to comment this right now.
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financial involvements in hedge funds and other funds,
https://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?CIK=0001407041&action=getcompany
Schedule 6: Detailed financial information — Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Canada
Rand Cam Engine Corp. is a privately held company whose stock is reportedly owned 50% by The Watchtower Society, a religious organization, 34% by James McCann and the balance by several other shareholders. Mr. McCann has indicated that he donated the shares held by The Watchtower Society to that organization but has retained a voting proxy for those shares.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/922330/000106299302000371/form10k.txt
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OSCE 2015 (NGO No. 21,168,169,318)
https://www.osce.org/odihr/190676?download=true
OSCE 2016 (NGO No. 15, 146,147,286)
https://www.osce.org/odihr/274356?download=true
OSCE 2010 (NGO 2010 No 2,28)
http://www.osce.org/odihr/75756?download=true
OSCE 2009 (NGO No. 2,6,42,79)
If you interested search alone
http://www.osce.org/gsearch?qr=jehovah's witnesses participant
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14 minutes ago, JW Insider said:
it doesn't say, "you will be saved."
thanks for show me err. ok safe :)))) after we make you you safe you will be saved :))))) end is the same, isn't ? ahahahah
JWs and Child Molestation
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I agree. Everything is relative, depend where some man position is. If you are victim nothing is easy, but if you are just observer who is not touched by other people suffering or problem, indeed all that is "relative" :((((
How can you be so insensitive again?? First with other people's feelings and problems in life, and now with other people's money? Drop? That is not drop because most of JW members are not rich with money, have modest income. And everything have to be payed, even own lawyers in this way or another
Yes it is! And still now you have no one court case or settlement out of court announced on JWorg TV, not mentioned about how much money they paid to victims in his reports. No columns in Yearbook on that issue. That is nothing but hiding.
"Two or three witness rule principe" are also great. haha