Srecko Sostar

WAT.9999.013.0012 analiza s brojevima slučajeva.pdf

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As far as I know the police have not gone into the main WTJWorg branch for Australia and searched/collected  for CSA documents from the closets and archives in the basement . This data was provided by WTJWorg Australia, voluntarily. I guess, the elders at Australia Bethel have decided what to store and how they will classify, mark the cases and what types of people (what kind of relationship were they with JW's) they will list in relation to CSA  and JW congregations.

Is it a question that there should be no CSA among JWs? If someone expects that, then they are naive. But, JWs surely live in the belief that this should not be among them, because they stick to the Bible. There is generally a great deal of mutual trust in JW congregations.
WTJWorg theology teaches believers to trust one another, to have complete trust in their elders, and to be wary of worldly people and governments.
JW members were supposed to confide in their elders, and they told them that the assembly aka elders would solve the problems. And to be careful not to slander (dragging in the mud) YHVH's name in front of the authorities.

It is shameful for WTJWorg Australia (in reality the USA headquarters) that it agreed to join the national redress scheme only after being warned that it would lose its charity status and tax exemptions. Since 2015, there is still nothing about these events on JWTV.

It seems the only solution for the world authorities to get WTJWorg to cooperate is through financial pressure. It is a language that Religious Corporation of NY understands.

The very significant aka devastating testimony of a GB member before the ARC will never be on JWTV. On that occasion, Geoffrey Jackson publicly denied the core teaching of WTJWorg. He announced that GB in NY is not the only FDS (Chanel) on this planet that God is using to spread his word.

The reason he is still on the Board of Directors of the Corporation is because all the other members think like him, and that is that they are not FDS. They are FDS only for rank and file JW. Only for the purposes of the doctrine that gathers believers in a vain idea.

The minister invited the representatives of the 4 religions and they all sat together with him at same table and smiled at each other because of the money that would be left in their pockets. These photos are not shown to the JW audience. Is there a reason for that?

I am sharing with you a very important view of the WTJWorg organization and their international information system on their official site. 

36 minutes ago, Fausto Hoover said:

Can former members actually argue apostasy?

A person who asks such a question should be able not to look at former members of a church as if they were apostates. People stop being members of a religion for various reasons. Church members who remain faithful to their traditions usually look with displeasure at those who leave. They are especially bitter about those who leave for reasons of disagreement with the theology or politics of how the Church is run.
Now I would like to use the commonly known practice of becoming a member of a Christian church. People should be baptized inside a church. Either at birth or at some other age. We see that many religious communities baptize minors as well as adults. By the act of baptism, one becomes a member of a certain church.
I would use the following illustration. Jesus was born in Jewish nation. By his very birth, he became a member of one nation and one religion. Therefore, he could not choose which nation he would belong to and which religion he would follow. It was determined for him by others. Regardless of whether he came from Heaven or not. That is not important now for the question from the beginning of the post.
What happened when Jesus was about 30 years old? He chose the baptism of John the Baptist and became what was later called a Christian. Jesus converted from the Jewish religion to the Christian religion. In fact, he is the originator, the founder of the Christian religion. But, as a Christian, he spoke a lot about the Jewish religion.

Can we say that Jesus had no right to comment and discuss apostasy in the Jewish religion as a former believer of the Jewish religion?

27 minutes ago, redHarmonioussparrow said:

How can we deal with former members who interpret every word literally?

Is it possible for hypocrisy to be viewed objectively?

Pastor Russell NOT the Founder of Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Contrary to some publicity made concerning "Jehovah’s Witnesses," Pastor Charles Taze Russell is not the founder of this religious group. He was never associated with them, nor did he ever claim the name. Pastor Russell died in 1916, while the "Jehovah’s Witnesses" did not come into existence until 1931. Linking Pastor Russell with "Jehovah’s Witnesses" leaves the decidedly mistaken view that their teachings and beliefs are alike. Such is not the case.

How could Jehovah's Witnesses suspect Christ's presence in 1874?

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

F.W. Franz's talk is clearly all a form of a "performance"

I'm not a native English or American English speaker, but his whole narration, emphasizing parts of sentences, certain words are overemphasized . Each sentence has its own boring rhythm in which two or three words are constantly given a prominent place, only for the next two or three to be reduced in importance, and over again. And so for more than an hour. In my opinion he is a weak speaker, but because he thinks he is an important person who has terribly important things to say, things that are the Revelation of the 20th century, his speech seems pompous and as if it is the ultimate truth that will never change again, like those explanations given by his predecessors, especially Rutherford..

Just now, Srecko Sostar said:

F. Franz puts forward some theses in his speech. Well, he says it's important to know how long it took Adam to name the animals. Then that it is important to know how much time passed from the creation of Adam to the creation of Eve. Because such information is very important in order to be able to understand when the 6000 years of human existence ends and when the last thousand years begin (from the seventh day), the 7th day on which God rests.
He says that Adam only gave names to specimens of a species, not to every animal. This means, he says, that he was able to complete the task quickly. And that the speed of that work depended on how fast God brought him animals. Imagine that.  And how quickly God could do that, he concluded from the record that God brought the animals to Noah, before the Flood, in just one week, because again, he brought only the main representatives of the animals. So, concludes F.F., Adam named the animals in a one week and found that it became difficult for him after that. So God put him to sleep and created Eve.
A really speculative interpretation.

In his speech, F. Franz continues with a dazzling presentation about unwritten things in Bible, but his imagination works well. So he says that God could have created another man with whom Adam could talk, so it would not be boring and difficult for him. Because he would be just as perfect as him. But, in that case, they would not be able to reproduce, so God would have to create countless men to fill the Earth. This would again cause a further problem, because if these men rebelled against God, then one sacrifice of Jesus Christ would not be enough. it would take as many sacrifices as the number of these men is. But, since God is economical, (he literally said that, God is economical, so he alludes that he could have known it, he predicted, in other words, that people would sin) then instead of creating a large number of men, he solved it by creating one female unit.

It's all a product of meditating on the things of God in the Bible, isn't it?

1 hour ago, Srecko Sostar said:

Franz uttered some interesting nonsense and it was instructive to listen to the way in which he presented his argumentation, which is the fiction of an inquisitive mind. His mind that has fed millions of similar minds around the world with his confused application of prophecy and plain non-prophetic biblical statements with the historical experience of WTJWorg and his predecessors.

Therefore. September 5th 1975 is the turning point in which or after which, but it is a month, two, three months or a short number of years in which Armageddon will come.
He, together with other like-minded people, subjugated and fueled the anticipation that was to come immediately. He said don't get married, don't look for a good job, don't plan for children, don't plan for education, because that Day is coming quickly.

Clowns are still in charge, sadly.

F. Franz puts forward some theses in his speech. Well, he says it's important to know how long it took Adam to name the animals. Then that it is important to know how much time passed from the creation of Adam to the creation of Eve. Because such information is very important in order to be able to understand when the 6000 years of human existence ends and when the last thousand years begin (from the seventh day), the 7th day on which God rests.
He says that Adam only gave names to specimens of a species, not to every animal. This means, he says, that he was able to complete the task quickly. And that the speed of that work depended on how fast God brought him animals. Imagine that.  And how quickly God could do that, he concluded from the record that God brought the animals to Noah, before the Flood, in just one week, because again, he brought only the main representatives of the animals. So, concludes F.F., Adam named the animals in a one week and found that it became difficult for him after that. So God put him to sleep and created Eve.
A really speculative interpretation.

16 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

 

I think you can find audio recordings online of some talks that mention 1975...

 

 

 

Franz uttered some interesting nonsense and it was instructive to listen to the way in which he presented his argumentation, which is the fiction of an inquisitive mind. His mind that has fed millions of similar minds around the world with his confused application of prophecy and plain non-prophetic biblical statements with the historical experience of WTJWorg and his predecessors.

Therefore. September 5th 1975 is the turning point in which or after which, but it is a month, two, three months or a short number of years in which Armageddon will come.
He, together with other like-minded people, subjugated and fueled the anticipation that was to come immediately. He said don't get married, don't look for a good job, don't plan for children, don't plan for education, because that Day is coming quickly.

Clowns are still in charge, sadly.

3 minutes ago, seeknontruther101 said:

In what way? by those who are incapable of grasping a straightforward revelation?

Someone said in the Bible, I have a lot to tell you, but you can't carry it now. However, he still told them more than he should have. The followers then misunderstood many things, and nothing has changed even today with modern followers.

Who does not understand the simple message of the gospel? I guess all those who create a rich Corporation out of religion.

3 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

I would like to qualify that above statement. I think that 65% of the societies problems are that they completely ignore the clear instructions in Matthew 18 about how to Justly disfellowship, why, and when and how.

…. and 30% of the problems are tied to being wrong on 1975, and trying to cover it up and shift blame since then.

What about rest .., 5%? I am sure it is important to hear about it too.  

16 minutes ago, seeknontruther101 said:

distinct problems

At WTJWorg, all theological issues are tied into one single issue, problem.

36 minutes ago, Pudgy said:

I was there in 1975. 

…. and paying attention.

From California to Virginia to Zaire everybody was expecting 1975 to be “the end”, as Srecko Sostar documented.

At Assemblies the clarion cry was “Stay Alive ‘Till ‘75!”.

Just recently, last week, I heard from a JW brother that many years ago he preached in the countryside, about 1 hour away from Zagreb (approx. 45 km). Many people, whose doors he knocked on, very quickly said when they understood what he was preaching, oh you are the ones who went to the hill in 1975.

Since he was younger at the time, he did not immediately understand what kind of hill and 1975 the people in the village were talking about. Only much later did he connect what it was all about. 

So the JW brothers of that time went/climbed to the hill to wait for Armageddon. It's smart that they didn't sell their houses so they had somewhere to go back to and of course they stopped being JWs.

2 minutes ago, seeknontruther101 said:

we had a very good understanding of the past 6000 years.

This is questionable, because humanity is not 6000 years old. WTJWorg changed few times views about length of "creation days".

2 hours ago, seeknontruther101 said:

You're correct. Whose fault was it? Not the Org that's for sure. Just a bunch of enthusiastic people that were also misled by not understanding the meaning of the 6000 years. Who also misled some? Were you there?

“The fact that fifty-four years of the period called the “last days” have already gone by is highly significant. It means that only a few years, at most, remain before the corrupt system of things dominating the earth is destroyed by God.” Awake! 1968 Oct 8 p.13

“If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the “last days” in 1914, Jesus foretold: “This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”-Matt. 24:34. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!” Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15

“Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.” Kingdom Ministry May 1974 p.3 How Are You Using Your Life?

2 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Can God make a rock so big even He can’t lift it?

Yes, human being is that rock.

19 minutes ago, seeknontruther101 said:

It means a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault which the accuser shares, and therefore is an example of psychological projection, [1] or hypocrisy. [2]

GB and 1975. They blame JW members for wrong expectations, misunderstanding of articles in WT publications and similar.

3 hours ago, Anna said:

 

Protesting the mistreatment of all religions or people would be more of a political involvement than protesting the mistreatment of your "own people" your "spiritual family". Also, they are only protesting the mistreatment because it's clearly unjustified. They are not trying to change the government. 

https://www.osce.org/odihr/430985

.., and part of 1st Session of Conference in 2017  

General Counsel Brumley.
    Mr. Brumley. Thank you for those kind words, Mr. Hurd. And we want 
to thank the U.S. Helsinki Commission--Chairman Wicker, Co-Chairman 
Smith, and you particularly, Mr. Hurd--for hosting this briefing.
    It has been also very illuminating and encouraging to hear the 
words of Ambassador Kozak, Dr. Mark, and Dr. Collins. Their insightful 
comments confirm our own concerns about the situation of Jehovah's 
Witnesses in the OSCE region.
    There are over 8\1/2\ million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide. Over 3 
million live in the OSCE region. We enjoy religious freedom in 51 of 
the 57 participating States. The exceptions include Tajikistan, 
Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan and, since last April as we know, the Russian 
Federation.
    When domestic courts have failed to protect our fundamental rights, 
we have resorted to seeking relief from international tribunals. Since 
1993, we have obtained 64 favorable rulings from the European Court of 
Human Rights and 11 favorable decisions from the U.N. Human Rights 
Committee. But, Mr. Hurd, by far the worst problems we are facing in 
the OSCE region--by far--have to do with Russia, so I'll be 
concentrating on Russia in my presentation.
    In 2006, the government amended its law on counteracting extremist 
activity. It removed incitement to violence as a component of what 
constitutes extremism. The U.N. Human Rights Committee, the 
Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe, and the Venice 
Commission have all strongly criticized the amended law because it 
gives the Russian Government carte blanche to prosecute anyone it deems 
to be out of step with its version of what is acceptable. So, based on 
this law as it's been amended, the authorities concocted a three-step 
process to mis-categorize Jehovah's Witnesses as extremists and to use 
this as the foundation to strip us of our fundamental rights of speech, 
press and religion.
    The first thing the government did was to criminalize our religious 
literature. And it did this through bogus expert studies, and then 
backed up by baseless court decisions. They even banned our website, 
JW.org. It's worthy to point out, gentlemen and gentleladies, that 
JW.org is available worldwide with the singular exception of Russia.
    Second, Russia criminalized local congregations who had been using 
our literature even before it was declared extremist. Once literature 
that we had formally been using was on the extremist list, we removed 
it and stopped using it, but the authorities went so far as to plant 
banned literature in our places of worship so that they could later 
discover it and bring charges. And we have this on video.
    Then, third, it criminalized our religious activity at our national 
offices and in our local places of worship. So since this amended law 
on extremism was enacted, Jehovah's Witnesses in Russia have been 
subjected to the following: searches of their homes, places of worship, 
loss of employment, having their bank accounts frozen, mistreatment of 
their children by school authorities, detentions, secret video 
surveillance of their homes, monitoring of their mail, and intimidation 
to abandon their faith. This decade-long campaign culminated, as you've 
mentioned astutely, on April the 20th with the Supreme Court decision. 
The court ruled that the administrative center and all of the 395 local 
legal entities are guilty of carrying on extremist activity and that 
their property should be confiscated and their activity terminated. Due 
to a risk of criminal prosecution, we have ceased using our places of 
worship and our national offices. Our branches in Europe, Canada and 
here in the United States inform us that there is an escalation in the 
number of Witnesses from Russia seeking asylum. We're tracking three 
developments with particular interest, and you've mentioned them.
    The first is the criminal prosecution of Dennis Christensen; he's a 
citizen of Denmark. If convicted, he faces 10 years' imprisonment. He's 
been denied bail and held in pre-trial detention since last May, and 
his offense, singularly: he was worshiping along with a local 
congregation.
    Secondly, we're giving close attention to the proceeding by the 
government to take possession of our national offices. And this is in 
complete disregard for the fact that our administrative center, or our 
national offices, are owned by the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society 
of Pennsylvania, a U.S.-based corporation, and that the national 
offices are worth millions. The government is nevertheless seeking to 
confiscate it.
    Third, whether an appellate court will confirm a decision by a 
lower court to declare our Bible--the New World Translation--to be 
extremist. The New World Translation is available in over 150 languages 
and has been printed over 20 million copies. The very same translation 
in Russia is deemed to be an extremist publication. For just having 
this in one's possession, one risks criminal prosecution.
    These relentless and coordinated efforts confirm that Russia is 
bent on a minimum of driving Jehovah's Witnesses underground. Now, that 
said, to date, we are not witnessing mass arrests of Jehovah's 
Witnesses, but as you brought up, Dr. Mark, there are 175,000 Jehovah's 
Witnesses in Russia. The government seems to be taking the position 
that someone can be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, but you have to be one 
of Jehovah's Witnesses and keep it to yourself. Anyone who, in any way, 
engages in any activity related to our worship risks criminal 
prosecution. So the government is saying, in essence, you can be one of 
Jehovah's Witnesses, but don't associate with other Witnesses. Don't 
read your Bible or any of your literature, don't gather for worship, 
and whatever you do, don't talk to anybody about your faith.
    So we thank the many governments and their agencies, such as the 
U.S. Helsinki Commission, for your diplomatic efforts and statements. 
When we were at the hearing earlier this year--the Supreme Court 
hearing--the strong presence of the diplomatic community sent a clear 
message to the Russian authorities that the international community is 
well aware of what Russia is doing, and they're not deceived, either. 
They realized that these proceedings are nothing more than a thinly-
disguised effort to legitimize the government's goal of stripping us of 
our fundamental right to worship.
    And just, very, very briefly, I'm going to hit on the situation 
with Jehovah's Witnesses in Central Asia and in Azerbaijan. We 
mentioned that in Kazakhstan, we're caught between two camps within the 
government: one that seems to be leaning towards application of the 
rule of law and maintaining our legal status, and another component of 
government that is mimicking what's going on in Russia. We were banned 
in Tajikistan in 2007, and we continue to worship in secret. Uzbekistan 
is the second-worst offender of our fundamental rights in the OSCE 
region. Just to give you a capsule, since last September--September 
2016--there have been 185 police raids on religious meetings, 153 
convictions for religious activities, 148 fines. And by the way, these 
fines amount to 100 times the monthly minimum wage. They're not small. 
Seven Witnesses were jailed for religious activity, and there have been 
15 documented accounts of severe beatings by the police of men and 
women who are Jehovah's Witnesses. Witnesses are fined for even having 
a copy of the Bible in their home.
    With regard to Turkmenistan, we have the same situation. Bahram 
Hemdemov, a 52-year-old Witness, has begun serving a four-year sentence 
that he began in March of 2015. And his only offense, again, was 
worshiping with fellow believers. There have been some small 
improvements in Azerbaijan, but although we number less than 2,000 
Witnesses in that country, we have 18 applications pending with the 
European Court of Human Rights, and we have filed 11 complaints with 
the U.N. Human Rights Committee.
    So, in conclusion, we are gravely concerned about the welfare of 
our community in Russia. We are going to submit, for the record, a copy 
of my briefing and also a copy of a short video from Professor Heiner 
Bielefeldt--that's the former U.N. Special Rapporteur of Freedom of 
Religion or Belief, who commented on the state of religious freedom in 
Russia and gave particular emphasis to the situation Jehovah's 
Witnesses are facing in that land. His point was, or is, that as the 
space for one religion diminishes, civil society and religious freedom, 
in general, diminishes.
    Thank you, once again, for allowing us to comment on the situation 
with Jehovah's Witnesses in the OSCE region.
    Mr. Hurd. Thank you. Just a quick reminder about the Q&A. I'll ask 
each one of our panelists two questions. If you could hold your answers 
until I finish asking all of my questions, and then we'll eventually 
turn it over to the audience. We'll start with Chairman Mark.
    Taking advantage of your recent trip to Uzbekistan, in the full 
range of steps that they can and should take to improve their record 
when it comes to religious freedom, and, in particular--let's assume, 
for the sake of argument, that they're re-designated as a CPC--what are 
the most important actions the government needs to take in order to 
change that designation and improve the situation for religious freedom 
in Uzbekistan?
    Secondly, was there an acknowledgment, when you were there, from 
the authorities that their crackdown on religious freedom over the 
years might actually be undermining their efforts to counter terrorist 
groups and counter violent extremists?
    For Dr. Collins, going back to Kazakhstan for a moment, you've 
noted that prior to their 2011 religion law, at least in the region, 
they had one of the most permissive environments for religion and for 
religious freedom. Why the shift? Why the change?
    Secondly, I was particularly intrigued at your comments that in 
your research of Christian groups in the region, they rarely band 
together in response to persecution. I'm wondering what your best 
hypothesis is, or evidence is, about the ``why.''

It is pointless for JW Brumley to ask why there is a deterioration in religious freedom in one of the OSCE countries. As an elder, he preaches from house to house and in KH and JW Congresses, that JWs will soon experience persecution from all governments on the entire planet Earth, including OSCE countries. So he knows the answer to this question and he should not ask for it from a person who, I assume, does not believe in YHVH theology as presented by WTJWorg.

Secondly, WTJWorg is known for its exclusivity. Although the OSCE Conference and some other gatherings are an exception, due to JW hypocrisy, it is clear that a JW member must not participate together with a member of another religion in some joint society where they should reach some agreement or simply participate together in some ceremony or celebration. JW elders do not attend gatherings organized by the state where representatives of other religions are also invited.
A JW member must not go to a religious meeting of another community even out of mere curiosity. He may not attend a person's funeral if a priest of another church is there. Etc.
So this JW Elder, General Counsel for WTJWorg has continuity to show how duplicitous he is.

Nathaniel Hurd, Policy Advisor, U.S. Helsinki Commission (Moderator), Ambassador Michael Kozak, Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor, Department of State, Dr. Daniel Mark, Chairman, U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom, Dr. Kathleen Collins, Associate Professor of Political Science, University of Minnesota, and Philip Brumley, General Counsel, Jehovah’s Witnesses (Left to Right, Photo Credit: U.S. Helsinki Commission) - https://religiousfreedominstitute.org/2017-12-4-congressional-commission-hearing-examines-religious-freedom-in-osce/

1 hour ago, Fausto Hoover said:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201608/how-spot-liar-or-just-someone-trying-avoid-the-truth

 

Organized politics is like organized religion. There is an ideology and those who represent and spread it. And there are those who believe it.

5 hours ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

I am not sure, @Srecko Sostar, if this is how you meant that word: "Unsubordinate: Not subordinate; not of inferior rank, dignity, class, or order."

Yes, you are right, perhaps google translator didn't understand me  

Word Insubordinate would be right. 

insubordinate

adjective

   formal disapprovingUK  /ˌɪn.səˈbɔː.dɪ.nət/ US  /ˌɪn.səˈbɔːr.dən.ət/

Add to word list 

(of a person) not willing to obey orders from people in authority, or (of actions and speech, etc.) showing that you are not willing to obey orders:

4 hours ago, Fausto Hoover said:

Isaiah 44:18 New International Version

18 They know nothing, they understand nothing; their eyes are plastered over so they cannot see, and their minds closed so they cannot understand.

Mark 10:34 King James Version

34 And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 King James Version

WTJWorg is considered themselves as "God's Chosen People". The words of Isaiah were addressed to the Jews who were in BCE because of the Covenant. Analogous to your theology, these words are for every JW in the organization, not for those individuals or people outside the JW Church.

48 minutes ago, redHarmonioussparrow said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamartia

An interesting read. One has to ask oneself some questions. GB often repeats the mantra that Jesus did not promise "perfect spiritual food", so the interpretation of WTJWorg has sometimes been wrong, and will continue to be, it seems.

The main point of WTJWorg is that spiritual food comes from the Source aka Jesus and travels through the "Only Channel" to the believers.
What kind of "error" is it about? Random mistake in communication between Jesus and GB? Or is it about flaws of character in Jesus or in GB?

@Fausto Hoover

Different "products" can bear the stamp, character, idea, personality of the person who disclosed them to others. But also, over time, a person creates new works that have no resemblance to previous works. The OT and NT portray this beautifully.
I looked through some of the presented links with more or less attention. Fortunately, the "secular sources" are first studied by the Bethel committees, who then choose what and how to write in the preparation of "ready-made spiritual food" so that ordinary JW members do not have to bother with links like the ones you have shown. Some JWs might while reading them themselves come to "wrong" conclusions and "fall away" from the faith.

Support for polygamy, slavery, wars, conquest of other people's property in wars, class differences, patriarchy that does not recognize that women are as valuable as men..., are some of the things that began to change with the advent of Christianity. But even today, some topics are still subject to discussion.

Different denominations are faced with the same questions. WTJWorg has found its own interpretation of the Bible and invokes its own autonomy and the right to maintain that religious autonomy as a Corporation. At the same time the Org.  does not allow an individual member of his Church to be like Jesus, who as a Jew realized his own autonomy in the projection and interpretation of the Law. Of course, he paid for it with his own head in the end, but he remained independent and unsubordinate to the Church Clergy of his time.

@Fausto Hoover

Your way of communicating with former members of the JW religion is interesting.
You enter into a dialogue with me, but you consider it unworthy to mention the name of your interlocutor ,but you use his statements, quotes, to be able to discuss.

Or is this way of communication your kind of self-justification for talking to ex-JW while you can technically say that you are not actually talking .... in order to justify yourself in front of other forum members; GB or before God himself who sees from heaven what is truth and what is fantasy.  

I will comment your comment on my comment in next comment ....,:))