Srecko Sostar

22 minutes ago, MankeptforRacialsecretratters said:

False Religion

Does this false religion have a name?

Is "Russell's religion" that he started, a true religion?

7 hours ago, MankeptforRacialsecretratters said:

he was permitted to have an understanding

The answer should be given, who forbade him to have "understanding" from birth to about eighteen/twenty years of his life? Then, who gave him permission to have "understanding" from that moment on? Finally, is his understanding completely correct and accurate?

3 hours ago, boyle said:

If your going to dabble into secular law, Audrey, I suggest you learn to understand it. People here don’t know and they have a long

History of failures.

1 hour ago, boyle said:

Therefore, it's not that religions support each other, they argue the facts that are misrepresented by fallacious lawyers.

1 hour ago, AudreyAnnaNana said:

Yes, some of the Watchtower lawyers fit the accurate descriptions from the Bible...

The Top WTJWorg Lawyer Philip Brumley. "The Corporation" (donation money) paid for his law studies, and he received a heavy fine, not because he does not know the law, but because of his dishonesty, he misleads the Court, makes incomplete and incorrect statements with the aim of defending injustice. What a great Lawyer, what a great Elder.

227-0-Notification-of-Sanctions-Order.pdf

20 hours ago, Moise Racette said:

The GB doesn't change doctrine, but will adjust to the prevailing laws placed upon them. They obey the authorities as indicated in scripture.

AM clearly said they will not obey Norwegian Government or any other government in the world. His quote from video: ...,they may pressure us to change our scriptural beliefs but we are certainly not going to do that...,".  

When speaking about: ...,GB ... will adjust to the prevailing laws placed upon them. They obey the authorities as indicated in scripture.  This (your claim, hope, assurance) is opposed to the clearly stated claim of the GB member.

And most important. The Norwegian government does not prohibit JWorg from implementing this doctrine. The Norwegian government is not ordering JWorg to change this doctrine.
But, the Norwegian government decided not to give money to JWorg because it believes that this doctrine is contrary to the civilized, social and legal level of Norwegian society.
AM turns this situation around where it portrays JWorg as the victim. And that as a victim of "religious persecution". AM replaces the thesis and interprets the decision of the Norwegian government in a wrong way. This is about money. Only about money.

From 10:25. AM statement regarding not allowing "secular authorities" to dictate what JWs will believe.

JWs believe and stop believing the doctrines that the GB and religious authority within the WT company determines. Countless beliefs have changed within the JW faith. AM is a manager and he has to claim that his company is right and everyone else is wrong.

I suspect that the religious changes in the WT happened due to various reasons and influences. The changes that occurred in the doctrines and subtleties of the doctrines have nothing to do with the "light from above", but with the mundane changes in the corporation itself and the global events of the society in which we live (or in which people lived before us or, more precisely for this issue, since the existence of WTBTS).

The WTJWorg's claim to be heirs to the true faith (true worship) going back to or from Abel is an unnecessary, useless actually, comparison. Because history confirms (the one recorded in the Bible and in other historical records), how doctrinally and formally, this form of (true) worship has been changed throughout all these centuries.

GB leaders have "no choice". They will change some doctrine one way or another. Sooner or later.

18 hours ago, Arauna said:

the coal

Coal, oil, gas and other earth treasures were formed due to processes on/in the earth over millions of years. Processes are initiated and caused by God, as many believed, right? Why would God want coal, oil or gas, etc. to exist when it has caused man's interest in exploiting it? With strong consequences we see today.

 Gen 4:22 -  Also, Zilʹlah gave birth to Tuʹbal-cain, who forged every sort of tool of copper and iron.

The first blacksmith, he came to know about forging from whom? So early after human creation in Eden and in short period of time. 

Can it be said that God's intention was to create resources to be used for the benefit of mankind, or did their existence have another purpose ... or another way of using them?

Space bodies, galaxies, etc., are created in violent processes, everything is full of explosions. That's how the planet Earth was created, too, right? Did God stop creating after Adam and Eve? Or is he still creating the Universe? 

1 hour ago, WalterPrescott said:

What does this have to do with anything, when G-d's people have to endure persecution from everyone? This is, nonsensical thinking.

Your question in this form cannot be a counter-argument, but only an attempt to obstruct a reality that is ruthless towards WTJWorg. And that reality was created by GB and their scholars.  

3 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

you answered your own long winded reply

Wordplay

then how could these ex-JWs have any role in “attacking” the JW ??

the question you ask reveals you must be blind to what goes on within the apostate infestation that hides on this site

Ex-JWs are very different individuals. From activists to completely passive individuals. Some have become atheists or agnostics. They, all observed together, are not organized. Thus, as such, they could hardly be considered a united and organized "coalition" operating independently or under the auspices of an established religion or "Babylon the Great".

Any organized religion, WTJWorg is certainly an organized organization, has a higher chance of becoming an “Organized Apostate Society” than some individuals.
This is proved both by the examples of the Old Israeli Assembly and by the example of the First Christian Assembly. Both became Apostate Religions.

So you really have nothing to brag about, nor to assign such “titles” to others.  

7 hours ago, WalterPrescott said:

Now, you're just behaving like JWI with wordplay. You know what he means, Everything under the sun, can be included. That also, means false religion. So, stop trying to separate words just to come up with your own misrepresentation.

According to WTJWorg interpretations "false religion": 

The Bible’s answer

13 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

coalition of the nations

thanks for providing some referance point ,few do this

a coalition of nations includes many many groups ,military ,governmental ,antichristians ,apostates fall into the last group ,having rejected the truth they first knew

Is that your personal conclusion? It is based on what?
I don’t remember your official literature giving such a description as you used it.

So far, WTJWorg has been talking about political forces that will attack JW. Exclusively about political forces that are within the UN organization.

4 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

the apostates must attack the the GB this is there destiny ,because if there feel they are doing the right thing and achieve self justification as satan did challenging jehovah ,,is a fultile attemp either way

if the gb are right they then realise their souls are condemend ,so expect the apostates to continue their attcks on the GB

this is there only course of action

Strange conclusion. The WTJWorg literature announces that you will be attacked by a "coalition of the nations" and not by "apostates".  

3 hours ago, JW Insider said:

*** jv chap. 11 p. 152 How We Came to Be Known as Jehovah’s Witnesses ***
. . . A. H. Macmillan, an administrative associate of three presidents of the Watch Tower Society, said concerning that announcement by Brother Rutherford: “There is no doubt in my mind—not then nor now—that the Lord guided him in that, and that is the name Jehovah wants us to bear, and we’re very happy and very glad to have it.” Which viewpoint do the facts support? Was the name ‘a stroke of genius’ on the part of Brother Rutherford, or was it the result of divine providence?

I would like to know if somewhere JFR claimed to be "spirit-led", in the sense that today's GB explains the term "spirit-led"?

19 minutes ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Tell you what—why don’t you and Witness and Srecko start your own closed club, then sit back and take note of how much we cry that you will not let us in?

Today is a day for jokes?

:))

7 minutes ago, Arauna said:

Humankind has regressed,,, not gone forward, 

Agree. It started with Adam and Eve, didn't it?

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

6 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

mean that science cannot reliably claim or assume anything.

True - they equate science with truth.... but they forget that IMPERFECT humans are making the assumptions these theories are based upon.

In all of this, it is good for us that scientists do not invoke HS or God or that they are His advocates. Then we would have another kind of "inquisition" next to GB.

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Any scientist that tells you that they know it all, is a liar. 

There are people who also claim they don’t know everything, but woe to you if you don’t believe in their interpretations.

2 hours ago, Arauna said:

Therefore the GB use science which has been through the true scientific method.

How does GB know which scientific method is right? How does GB distinguish “right” from “wrong” scientists? By what method? Religious method or scientific method?

3 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

Eve would be the mother of all living (Genesis 3:20

Incorrectly. Eve can only be a mother to her children. And Grandma Eve is just a grandmother, not a mother.

This would mean that the biblical writer does not distinguish between the terms: mother and grandmother.
Do we distinguish them?

23 minutes ago, Peter Carroll said:

as jesus said we should become like little children

Children would never form a corporation or organization that represents the Kingdom of God on Earth. They would never invent and pass administrative rules and deal with money matters.

Children would just play and listen to adults telling them what was allowed and what was not.

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

Jehovah did not need to use evolution to create (which according to theory happened all by chance with no purpose);

If the figures on the age of the universe and the events in it are not accurate, because some say that the figures on the age of events on Earth are not accurate, it would mean that science cannot reliably claim or assume anything.
This means that even WTJWorg cannot rely reliably on scientific methods, not only when it comes to astronomy and space but also medicine and other scientific disciplines, then it is really ironic that WTJWorg literature deals with topics covered by scientists and that they publishes together with the religious content of his journals, giving them this or that conclusion.

Scientists have telescopes, these on Earth and those that travel through space, and they say that they are watching this or that (star explosion, merging galaxies and everything else), and that what they see now actually happened many millions of years ago. If the figures on the age of the Earth are not accurate, as you claim, then neither these figures on the age of the universe are reliable or accurate, because they come from “science”.
If, on the other hand, it is true that scientists see the current, present event (star explosions and galaxy mergers, etc.) through a telescope, then I would be interested to know what these events represent? That God continues to create the universe ... or to destroy it,..... or that he has long ago started processes unknown to us in other parts of the universe in which there is nothing but raw mass and energy?

5 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

we dont feel sorry for your twisted reasoning it just reveals your spiritual father has taught you well ,you have chosen the side of the demons and the father of the lie satan ,we rejioce in knowing who our enimies are ,yes i am very negitive to wards the opposers of the true god Jehovah and look forward to the positive future offered by the bible under the direction of the governing body and the leader Jesus ,whom you abandoned long ago ,As your title says keep waiting ,for the rest of us we have the truth

A somewhat childish way of proving that one side is right and the other wrong. Such a comment has no value in proving where the truth might be, but only accuses the other person of some kind of hostility towards JWs.
Mutual accusations and naming are unnecessary. If anything needs to be blamed, then it is patterns of behavior and belief in doctrines that we feel are bad.
Most people are victims of manipulators. Victims should not be blamed. A small number of those who are the bearers and main promoters of religious delusions should certainly be named, in general or individually.
Barbara Anderson has gone through one phase of her life, now she is in another. Maybe some of you know her better. I know her only through the texts she publishes.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

The organization itself will reveal the GB's stupidity, and  "her" sins.  

This process has been going on for decades. Every new "refining", "clarification" and "new light" is, essentially, a proclamation that previous JW scholars have spoken / written nonsense, stupidity.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

There are already movements by elders, to remove the GB.  

What do you mean?

13 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The day any member of the Governing Body takes full and personal credit for any deed performed on his watch, ignoring Jehovah, then and only then will your scripture have relevance. 

Didn't they do that the moment they declared themselves responsible for the FDS service?

Didn't they do that when they warned the flock that they must be ready to obey every instruction from GB, no matter how unreasonable it seemed?

Didn't they do that when they said that God and Jesus showed complete confidence in them and that JW members should have such an attitude towards GB, too?

1 hour ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Sigh—I thought this was put into the closed group—that’s why I upvoted it—where it should have been in the first place (IMO) but it was not.

 It is so wearing for opposers, who misunderstand fundamental ways of how God deals with humans, to malign the Witness organization based upon false premises. 

The trick is, not to sanitize the present, but to desanitize the past. Plenty of responsible ones in Bible history have said or done wrong or clumsy things, yet continued to be used prominently in Jehovah’s service. No reason to think it would be any different today.

From the event related to Moses (and not only him), one could conclude differently. Just before entering the Promised Land, Moses ignored the instruction he received from God (concerning water for a thirsty people). The "punishment" was swift and irreversible.

The duty and privilege of leading the people to enter the Promised Land has been delegated to new people, Joshua and Caleb and others.

2 hours ago, Peter Carroll said:

only those in the truth

The JW that was “in the truth” in the past decades had a different truth than the JW of more recent times. They are united only by the WTJWorg administration, which is in legal continuity through all periods of doctrinal changes.

1 hour ago, Witness said:

Of the full gamut of teachings by the organization, is it not true that most beliefs of yesterday, lie in the shadows of the organization’s library of defunct doctrines? Each changed teaching is abandoned to its “dark corners”, as another translation puts it in Luke chapter 11. Yet these doctrines are still discretely catalogued, as if to boast that God has shown His blessings on the organization by providing JWs with “new light”. (Isa 59:8-10; Jer 9:5-6) 

JW members in all stages of their spiritual life, to this day claim the same, "have the truth", "were in the truth", "are in the truth". Apparently they have been accompanied by "God's blessing" all this time when it comes to all those changed doctrines.

53 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

(no Hellfire

If we start from the premise that God is love and does everything so that people would not suffer and have (hope for) everlasting life, but still "allows evil" in various forms and intensities, then the question can be asked:

What is the difference between the idea that God allows "hellfire" after death of man and the idea that God allows “earthly fire” during the life of that same man?

In duration of "fire", i guess. The duration depends on the accuracy of the thesis - an immortal soul after death or a mortal soul before death. :))