Srecko Sostar

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Concerning women, the term associated with them is Shepherdess

Did women look after sheep, goats ... in ancient time of OT?  

Were the Shepherdesses only to female sheep and goats?

4 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

It gets worse, for on an extreme level, not only some profess women cannot minister, but that they are primarily there to be submissively (the world's view of the term) and to give birth only, which is a wrong mindset.

Why your objection that others have the wrong mindset, when you yourself are advocating the wrong attitude about women and claiming that God has an unchangeable Order. Well there is no immutable. He revoked the Order from OT and placed another Order through NT. And change will continue to happen.

5 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

God's Order is vastly different from the Chosen notion

On the one hand, God creates Adam and Eve who are not given the concept of patriarchy or the concept of the man (Adam) as the only one who has the last word in everything.

On the other hand, it later allows for a system of patriarchy and polygamy and slavery.

Then enters a phase in which it softens the laws of OT and creates a concept of equality within the Christian community in which it still relies on a slightly softer patriarchal relationship between man and woman.

And as a special new level, architecture emerges in which men and women become representatives of the government with functions that include / unite political and religious power (Kings and priests).
This approach is unique in that it allows women what they have never been allowed to do in either Judaism or Christianity. To rule over the people (the only OT exception, I think, is Deborah in the capacity of Judge) and to perform priestly service.

The activity of the Prophetess was also an exception.

But it is precisely these exceptions that speak of a God who has no problem with the concepts (out of known "Order") in which women are given to be in positions for which some zealous/stubborn men claim to be the only right given to them.

4 hours ago, Pudgy said:

Why would anyone need to guard the book of Enoch?

Due to the increase in crime, such as theft, robbery and burglary .....

6 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Are you referring to equal before God, or are you referring to equality among humanity? If you mean the latter, that equality is displaced by homosexuality, which scripture rejects.

So, do you believe God should have homosexuals in mind?

144000 = Kings = political/administrative service/position........both, male and female

144000 = Priests = spiritual/religious service/position.........both, male and female

Priest = https://www.dictionary.com/browse/priest

6 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Why are labels so important to you? If anything, Christians should continue what scripture states about being disciples and followers of Christ.

Thank you for your reply. And it seems more natural and accurate to me that JWs consider themselves followers and disciples of Christ. I think that's what other Christian denominations conclude about themselves too.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

I wasn't defending the Unisex teaching, therefore, I shed no ignorance, only the facts. even corrected both you and @Witness on Chloe, and even then, due to your err no one corrected you until it was refuted. So @Dmitar was correct due to your statement below

[If all “normal prophets” are equal, then most JWs have acquired the same spiritual level because of which there is no need for elders to act as teachers and pastors. However, you do not acknowledge that a woman can be on the same spiritual level as a man, but that only a man is in the position of a shepherd.]

Women can teach and minister, they cannot hold Religious Office, that is, if you are a supporter of the Unisex Practice which was never of the Church.

So doesn’t God support gender equality when He promises "144,000" that they are all kings and priests regardless of gender? What they will be in heaven (or on earth) with Christ? Male, female or both or neither?

2 hours ago, Dmitar said:

4 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

It amazes me that Rutherford was not familiar with this precise and common knowledge about terminology, because the new name, from 1931 onwards, would have sounded better like "Jehovah's Prophets". But when you explain to us the difference between an “inspired” and an “uninspired” prophet then I see where Rutherford’s place is

I guess it's also amazing how former Jehovah's Witnesses manipulate a subject without knowledge and terminology. Especially when interjecting modern thought to the past.

Do you support the idea that all JW members are “uninspired prophets” in any context of the meaning of that word? And would a more modern name ("Jehovah's Prophets") suit them better today in this present modern era, than the one given to them by Rutherford in the past?

53 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

, you seem to tamper down until you see the ignorance of others to lash out. How is that not a flip-flop with emotions?

How SM do show ignorance?

31 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

So the notion of it being common knowledge is very evident in the following example below:

It amazes me that Rutherford was not familiar with this precise and common knowledge about terminology, because the new name, from 1931 onwards, would have sounded better like "Jehovah's Prophets". But when you explain to us the difference between an “inspired” and an “uninspired” prophet then I see where Rutherford’s place is.  

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Although it is a rarity, a Christian who proclaims the message of God, are essentially Prophets. even JWs are aware of this, for their own articles attested to that a few times. This should be known to you granted you like to dwell on the articles, and this was presented before.

Yes, I am aware of this flip-flop about using this particular term i WTJWorg publications.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Granted what transpired after Apostle John and the events of 325AD. They're Normal Prophets, hence what I said in my original explanation which was quoted 4 times to you and Witness.

Agree  , they are “Normal Prophets” with flip-flop doctrines and understanding with variable knowledge of unimportant things.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Mistakes can be made however, the only reason the False Prophet term was misapplied concerning them is due to the fact EXJW have claim that Jehovah's Witnesses spoke of themselves as Inspired Prophets, which is false.

So according to your logic, it is quite normal that "uninspired prophets" have full freedom and permission to prophesy whatever seems right to them, even if it was complete nonsense for those "uninspired prophets" who later reject previous "prophecies" or adapt it to new level of knowledge.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

The Religious leaders of Jehovah's Witnesses can't have revelations like Prophets Inspired of Old. They're normal Prophets who are not infallible as is all JWs, be it current or former.

If all “normal prophets” are equal, then most JWs have acquired the same spiritual level because of which there is no need for elders to act as teachers and pastors. However, you do not acknowledge that a woman can be on the same spiritual level as a man, but that only a man is in the position of a shepherd.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

Granted the JWs are simply a sole religious group/organization, it is unwise to interject the term mother. Unless JWs have a secondary religious organization, they you have a case, but that is unfounded, false information.

You have the wrong source of information about this thing.

1 hour ago, Arauna said:

You pretend to be debating but you are actually, by your dishonest and leading questions, bringing up another contentious subject.

You are devious and a great pretender!

It was not my intention to insult, but I asked the SM a question regarding his thesis.

9 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

The majority, even JWs are simply Normal Prophets/Prophets Not Inspired

WTJWorg addressed the topic of “prophets” in their Insight encyclopedia. I went to their site to be reminded of what they wrote. Of course, JWs tend to use a certain term in a way and in a model that suits them in a particular situation.

A “normal JW” will never use the term “prophet” on himself, but most often “witness”, “announcer”, "publisher" and the like. But also, when JW would talk about “prophets” he would use the terms “inspired” (from God or from the devil) and even more significant terminology is “true and false prophet”.
Analogously, are JWs true or false (prophets) publishers and witnesses today?

JWs deal with interpretations of the biblical text and predictions of events from biblical texts that are enigmatic or in the form of prophecy. When they make a mistake in interpretations, they are "false prophets", aren't they? And when their doctrine will remain unchanged forever then we will be able to call them “true prophets,” right?

How does a “normal JW prophet” come to “knowledge”? Through verbal and written "prophecy" of GB, of course. GB is The Main Ecclesiastical Body for all JWs, and they are Guardian of Doctrine. So the “normal JW” is just a transmitter of GB "revelations", not some sort of “prophet” who, through personal spiritual effort, came up with the impetus for “prophecy” with the help/incentive  of "spirit".

"Normal JW prophet" works on the copy / paste model. They absorb information from "earthly mother organization"  and then transmit it through public preaching. JW "prophesies" (about) his faith in .....this and that.

Is the door-to-door work, run by JW members (Christians), a non-inspired prophecy work?

Analogously, are they, JWs, uninspired prophets?

51 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Todays Christians are Prophets Not Inspired

12 minutes ago, JW Insider said:

Oh wait! Was this about Ukraine or door-to-door ministry?

:)))

2 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

Todays Christians are Prophets Not Inspired,

I didn't expect you to write this nonsense.

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

to do the research

I get the impression that you have a list of two groups, on one are the media sources that always presents the truth, and on the other list are the media sources that always presents lie.

8 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

And as mentioned before, I do not do opinions.

I respect opinion in your claim that you do not do opinions.  

1 hour ago, ApostaBabe Linda James said:

As fare as, "Are JWs in America back on the 'door to door' work now?"

I had lunch with my brother in law who is a long time elder yesterday here in Southern California and his answer was, no. 

I asked him what about the cart witnessing, and he simply said that they will continue as they have been by doing the letter and phone witnessing.

Robert Hendrics, a JW spokesperson speaks about all kind of worship, that members doing in this period, as "modern day miracle". Also,  how WTJWorg is  now "much more accessible organization". And about "hybrid format in the future".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMyGZQ3bk8

30 minutes ago, Space Merchant said:

What is being discussed has nothing to do with the Watchtower, bur the core teaching in relation to Prophets inspired and not inspired.

The fact people are aware of who lasted into the end of the 1st century, is common knowledge.

That being said, Ukraine has nothing to do with the Watchtower or Toxin waste, but it did not stop you from speaking, let alone speculate World War III.

Wrong conclusion based on opinion  

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

You may want to look into that further, as it was already told about Ukrainian Propaganda being in full force. Likewise with the article of which you presented that was pretty much a move to get Croatia into a False Flag situation.

But are animals around Chernobyl getting cancer, 30 years after the accident?

“It's very rare that we see cancer in wild animals, regardless of radiation levels,” Brown says.

- https://sciencenorway.no/forskningno-norway-radioactivity/can-animals-and-plants-tolerate-more-radioactivity-than-us/1431783

In fact, a debate roils in the scientific literature about the health of the microbes, fungi, plants and animals that live around Chernobyl. Some scientists have documented thriving wildlife now that people have left, suggesting that lingering radioactive contamination doesn’t pose a significant threat. But other scientists have found mostly negative effects of radiation on the health and abundance of creatures, from birds to mammals, with many populations smaller in more heavily contaminated areas. This controversy has only sharpened in recent years. - https://knowablemagazine.org/article/food-environment/2022/scientists-cant-agree-about-chernobyls-impact-wildlife

3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

Mentioning the Watchtower is irrelevant.

No, especially because we are ALL participants of debates under JW Open Club.  

5 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Does this image prove people can enjoy life within that flourishing area?

Your original  objection was about the plants (roses). The answer was related to that type of objection.
............. People? There is never peace with them. People are too (radio)-active by themselves, on their own.  

7 hours ago, Dmitar said:

Anyone can appreciate more roses in the garden. Do you think roses grow in Chernobyl, and Fukushima?

Vast areas of land in Ukraine and Belarus remain off limits due to radioactive contamination, but plant life in these areas is flourishing (Credit: Getty Images)

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

This shows that we can always get more joy.

Confused about such claim. 

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

We can compare our joy to a fire. 

Let see how.

1 hour ago, Dmitar said:

If we want a fire to get hotter, we must add more wood to it.

Ah well. If we want more joy, we must add more:

-money to our bank account

-books in our library

-roses in our garden

.......... etc.

That is logic?

1 hour ago, Space Merchant said:

The Bible is both fact and true in it's Word, Srecko.

 

The War in Heaven; Jesus' Kingship

Revelation 12:9 - And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

As for the ones in Tartarus, it is obvious as to why some of them were sent there, we can start with Genesis,

Genesis 6:2 - the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.

Peter brought this up as well

2 Peter 2:4  - For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell [Tartarus] and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment;

Then there is Jesus

1 Peter 3:18-20 - [18] For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, [19] in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, [20] because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

Jude 6 (Ref.) - And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—

How did you miss this???

That being said, concerning the War in Heaven this was addressed to you, several times.

 

Nice, but what evidence You are able to give for proof? You just interpreted some verses and show how you do believe in their fulfillment about present events. You showed your faith as evidence for claim. 

I can accept or denied fact that you have faith in things you spoke.

How can you prove there was war in heaven?