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  1. On 12/15/2021 at 2:25 AM, Witness said:

    At the Annual Meeting of this year, David Splane stated that the highway of holiness “was opened for travelers” in 1919, when the “testing and refinement of God’s people foretold at Mal 3:1-4, was complete.”

    His statement is ridiculous. Well, didn't Jesus establish and open the way when he was on Earth? Plus, the challenge of being right and clean never ends.

  2. 4 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    Are you suggesting "death" not to be a curse upon man? Can you explain your position?

    WTJWorg teaches that the deaths of Adam and Eve were a “punishment” for sin. In this literal expression of the Bible quote, God did not place a "curse" on Adam and Eve but a "punishment" for disobedience to the command. Of course, we can call any kind of punishment that is inflicted on us a "curse" or "bad luck" or whatever. Thus, according to a literal reading of the biblical text, death followed as a punishment for transgression (eating from a forbidden tree).
    The text further says that God "cursed" the serpent, and not other animals. The text says that God placed, on top of the original threat of death punishment over Adam and Eve, an "additional punishment" that he did not mention the first time (pains in childbearing very severe, painful labor, desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you, cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it ...,)

    So, what was all this described in the text of Genesis: punishment or curse? And what is the difference between the two concepts? In a terminological or ideological (religious) sense?

     

    curse - noun

    1) magical words that are said to cause trouble or bad luck for someone or the condition that results when such words are said

    2) a cause of trouble or bad luck

    curse - verb;

    1) to call upon divine or supernatural power to send injury upon

    2) to bring great evil upon

    punishment - noun;

    1) the act of punishing

    2) suffering, pain, or loss that serves as retribution

    3) a penalty inflicted on an offender through judicial procedure

    4) severe, rough, or disastrous treatment

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    The mention of Noah in this topic shows that both types of behavior, exemplary and shameful, shown by one and the same person in different circumstances, can be understood as part of the human personality. One does not have to be “imperfect” to behave badly. A man can be “perfect” and do equally bad things.
    Both states (perfect vs imperfect) offer no guarantee to anyone.
    Did God have any expectations of the perfect things He created? Well, I guess he is. The additional "cursing" and "regret" that he created man in general, speaks of the terrible disappointment that God experienced. And now he has to reap what he sowed, doesn't he?

     

  3. 9 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    Adam and Eve still maintained the diet chosen by God, as indicated in Genesis 3: 17-19.

     To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’

    “Cursed is the ground because of you;
        through painful toil you will eat food from it
        all the days of your life.
    18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
        and you will eat the plants of the field.
    19 By the sweat of your brow
        you will eat your food
    until you return to the ground,
        since from it you were taken;
    for dust you are
        and to dust you will return.”

    These words say that God has cursed the earth/ground. He didn't curse the man. He didn't curse the animals. Cursing the earth, he said that thorns and thistles would grow.
    There is something else to keep in mind with this. Not all plants (eaten by man) are full of thorns, and those we call weeds or are prickly have medicinal properties. After all, they are eaten by animals that give us milk, and from them man makes very fine food. So not everything is as bad as it may seem by reading these Bible verses.

    9 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    Genesis Chapter 9

     Verse 2: The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 

    This needs to be understood relatively. Because many people are killed or wounded by various types of animals. So, there are animals that are not really afraid of man. Mosquitoes are strong example for that.

    Verse 3: Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.

    Literally reading, only a man was given permission to eat everything alive around him. Animals are not mentioned in this decree.

    Verses 4,5,6: But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being. Whoever sheds human blood,  by humans shall their blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made mankind.

    Ah, this is weird now. If someone sheds another man’s blood they will be called to account. How does God call man to account if he sheds another man's blood? How does he call to account an animal that kills a man and sheds his blood?

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    Little picture about Noah... before and after Flood. 

    This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God. Gen 6:9

    Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded[a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent.  Gen 9:20

    A pictures of a drunken Noah are not for WTJWorg publications, are they?

     

  4. 4 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    Your response is none responsive. Can you clarify? You are indicating that man was imperfect in the Garden of Eden, while suggesting there were carnivores in the Garden. As indicated in Genesis, all vegetation was made available for consumption for both man and animal. Before man was created, the animal kingdom was afforded the same vegetation, even though it was denser and course (shrubs), thus giving land animals a set of canine teeth. 

    Keep in mind, I'm referring from creation. I'm not referring from the point after Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden to before Noah's Flood. After the expulsion of man, evil entities taught man many things, including the usage of certain plants for illicit use. Animals would have used their animal instinct for survival to become carnivore. 

     

    9 hours ago, Srecko Sostar said:

    Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.  And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

    quote from article: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323037#_noHeaderPrefixedContent

    Although hemp seeds come from the Cannabis sativa plant, they do not produce a mind-altering effect.

    These small, brown seeds are rich in protein, fiber, and healthful fatty acids, including omega-3s and omega-6s. They have antioxidant effects and may reduce symptoms of numerous ailments, improving the health of the heart, skin, and joints.

    In this article, we look at the various benefits of hemp seeds and provide tips for adding them to the diet. 

    I am of the opinion that my comment, which I put again, quite simply pointed to the fact that hemp is a plant that carries seeds and that, according to Genesis, it is intended for human consumption. That's all and only that. I wasn’t talking about meat or teeth growing, so it’s not clear to me what’s not clear to you in my comment about hemp. 

    If you go back to my comment from before this, and it is for example this:

    On 12/12/2021 at 7:47 AM, Srecko Sostar said:

    If God created each species for a specific purpose then we should not expect, as suggested in the commentary, that humans and animals (and other organisms) were herbivores before the flood and became carnivores or omnivores after the flood, according to the offered biblical quote,... God gave them all to eat "green grass and herbs" (Gen 1:30).
    Moreover, such a possibility of adaptation of so many species of organisms to a sudden change in diet supports the theory that living organisms "adapt" to the natural environment and other changing conditions on Earth. This consequently means that God “created” all organisms in such a way that they can change or evolve in order to be able to live and survive in changed conditions, and for which we still see that it is possible and accurate. This again means that God knew in advance that Adam and Eve would sin, start killing each other, and animals, and eat meat. This means that God knew in advance about the Flood and the change in the diet for all the organisms on Earth, etc. Knowing what the future holds, God equipped the organisms in advance for change. ;) 

    and your's:

    4 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    Before man was created, the animal kingdom was afforded the same vegetation, even though it was denser and course (shrubs), thus giving land animals a set of canine teeth. 

    Keep in mind, I'm referring from creation. I'm not referring from the point after Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden to before Noah's Flood. After the expulsion of man, evil entities taught man many things, including the usage of certain plants for illicit use. Animals would have used their animal instinct for survival to become carnivore. 

    The vast majority of animals do not have fangs, and yet they eat a variety of tough grass, tree bark, prickly cacti and the like. From that, I would conclude that the animals that we later called predators (with fangs) should not have had such types of teeth in the very act of creation, because many other animals are so-called. predators without canines. Owls do not have fangs and yet they successfully kill their prey. What did the owls eat in Eden?

    You offer the following explanation: 

    4 hours ago, Dmitar said:

    Animals would have used their animal instinct for survival to become carnivore. 

    After this kind of conclusion, the question arises: Why would God instill in animals an "instinct" that is secretly waiting for a revolution and rebellion of angels and people against God, and then the animals "go crazy" and start killing each other?
    If God instilled in animals this kind of instinct in advance then God must have known something we do not know about God, about humans and about animals, so we interpret the Bible book of Genesis in a way that did not take into account other factors.

    It is similar with people. Well people have instincts too. Or does someone want to claim that we don’t have them?

  5. 17 minutes ago, Dmitar said:

    Can you explain your conclusion with that of scripture? Genesis 1:29-30

    Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.  And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

    quote from article: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323037#_noHeaderPrefixedContent

    Although hemp seeds come from the Cannabis sativa plant, they do not produce a mind-altering effect.

    These small, brown seeds are rich in protein, fiber, and healthful fatty acids, including omega-3s and omega-6s. They have antioxidant effects and may reduce symptoms of numerous ailments, improving the health of the heart, skin, and joints.

    In this article, we look at the various benefits of hemp seeds and provide tips for adding them to the diet. 

     

  6. 13 hours ago, xero said:

    It is not difficult to conclude, according to the article, that in fact all plants were supposed to be for human consumption. So, plants with intoxicating ingredients, stronger or weaker, not be wrong to take (marijuana and similar grass/ weeds) :) 

  7. Herbivores, carnivores and omnivores. Each of them should have the ability to live from the food they eat. The digestive system, from the entrance to the exit, of food should be adapted to the type of food.
    If God created each species for a specific purpose then we should not expect, as suggested in the commentary, that humans and animals (and other organisms) were herbivores before the flood and became carnivores or omnivores after the flood, according to the offered biblical quote,... God gave them all to eat "green grass and herbs" (Gen 1:30).
    Moreover, such a possibility of adaptation of so many species of organisms to a sudden change in diet supports the theory that living organisms "adapt" to the natural environment and other changing conditions on Earth. This consequently means that God “created” all organisms in such a way that they can change or evolve in order to be able to live and survive in changed conditions, and for which we still see that it is possible and accurate. This again means that God knew in advance that Adam and Eve would sin, start killing each other, and animals, and eat meat. This means that God knew in advance about the Flood and the change in the diet for all the organisms on Earth, etc. Knowing what the future holds, God equipped the organisms in advance for change. ;) 

    The idea or thesis that God would know about every detail of the future is something that WTJWorg rejects in its theology. JW theology says that God has the ability to see the future, but that he is discreet and considerate of people and their free will to such an extent that He does not want to look at the future of each individual and thus enter into someone's privacy. Certainly this kind of explanation has its flaws and does not explain why then God would deal with the future and prophecies if He does not want to see it in advance.

    The Bible is a book that is not always clear, not even in terms of theology, let alone to deal with such answers to the question in the subject. The text leaves too much room for conjecture. And to draw various conclusions that do not have to be an indication of accuracy. Only intellectual wandering, imagination and daily politics (daily ideologies).
    If God created everything, then he also created organisms, many of which are invisible to the human eye, and which live in someone else's body and at the expense of their host. Some are useful to him, and some are able to torture and kill his host.
    Or take for example the behavior of the vast majority of animals, if not all (even humans). The instinct to have and protect or conquer someone else's - food area, place for home, females for mating. So, God instilled in them such an instinct for behavior during creation. And, on the other hand, most societies in today's civilization reject the "biblical concept" of the ancient patriarchs, to whom the described situation was completely natural and approved by God. Both, before the flood and after the Flood, for example polygamy was acceptable. The fact that comes from the biblical text that God created only one woman for Adam was not decisive for future human society, regardless of their religiosity, that people with the blessing of that same God establish families in which a man has more than one wife. Whether they are vegetarians or omnivores.
    We could say that God has changed his mind and attitudes and behavior in different circumstances and times throughout history. He changed it in terms of human nutrition (and animals?), And in terms of marital status of people.
    Insisting today on any of the theses offered (or practice and way of life) would be limited and would show that we are less adaptable than God who is able in many things to adapt himself to people and their capabilities.

    I’ve heard that today’s nutritionists don’t talk about healthy or unhealthy food. All food is healthy to eat.....but not every amount of food.:) There can only be hygienically unsafe food. You know, in the sense that the expiration date has passed or that the food is in the process of rotting and the like. 

  8. 25 minutes ago, admin said:

    I love the instrument in the very beginning .... not a guitar I'm sure....

    In my amateur opinion it can be classical guitar or a similar stringed instrument (tamburitza, mandolin)  and contra-bass (double bass) :) 

     

     

  9. 12 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    Being knowledgeable does not equate to being part of the world.

    The question of "possessing (certain, particular) knowledge” was raised in Eden. God did not want the “knowledge of good and evil” to come into the possession of Adam and Eve. Whatever that could and should mean.

    "Being knowledgeable"* could lead to processes that end in failure. Individuals and societies have a great deal of knowledge accumulated over the centuries. And now the world is facing several types of serious disasters, which some say are related to the "use of advanced knowledge" and human character. Advanced knowledge of atoms led to the atomic bomb (today it is an outdated example).
    The other extreme would be in possessing a smaller range of knowledge and living “in harmony with nature”. Then there might not be catastrophes caused by the human factor, but only those catastrophes that are "normal" processes in nature itself. In the nature that is an integral part of the planet Earth, and which was created by God who actually initiated all these processes, believers would say.
    Do the “believers” of any denomination have the knowledge that God by His knowledge created a planet that has volcanoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, climate changes that go from great hot to ice ages and so on? And that people will die from something at some point (with or without knowledge of it)?

    "Part of the world"? We all are part of the same world, no matter of Biblical terminology and using of same terminology for theological and doctrinal reasons.  People before us left us a world as it was when we were born, and today we are creating this world as it is and we will leave it shaped according to our “knowledge” for future generations. So each individual is a “part of this world,” not the different one we would like to have in our dreams.

    * Synonyms:

    well informedinformedlearnedwith great knowledgewell readwell educatededucatedwidely readeruditescholarlyculturedcultivatedenlightenedawareacquainted withfamiliar withwith a knowledge ofwith an understanding ofconversant withau courant withau fait withskilledexpertcompetentproficientup onup to date withabreast ofat home withno stranger toexperienced inpracticed inwell versed inseasonedinformal:clued up aboutgenned up aboutplugged intoswitched on to

     

  10. 18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

    Perhaps we should ask @Srecko Sostar. Does he consider NoisySrecko a jibe? Or is he flattered?

    At first I felt weird that someone called Srećko a noisy person. But he calls himself to be noisy, not me. Because he could use the name Noisy Tom, for example. That wouldn’t bother me, hahaha.
    So let him call himself whatever he wants. There is no insult to anyone.

    17 hours ago, NoisySrecko said:

    Definition I use:

    Of a person or group of people), stridently seeking to attract attention to their views. 

    This explains what he mean about self and his position, role at this forum club.

    Some in America would say, the show must go on.

  11. 1 minute ago, Space Merchant said:

    What does Capitalism have to do the topic which is focused on JWs and Communism?

    Perhaps HS working better in Capitalist environment, and maybe because of that fact there is not spy elders in JW congregations. :)))

    But HS obviously have big problem in Communistic territory because Party have more interest how to assimilate or put under control JW members. :)))

  12. 3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    and the fact you mention this now spins a contradiction on your original response - so were you just talking out of ignorance or lying at this point?

    I am not sure what you spins now? 

    3 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    The focus was on Communism from the start,

    I have another perception and understanding about this topic...from the start. Focus is on HS and his/her/it role in WTJWorg and elections and appointments of JW elders.

  13. 6 hours ago, Space Merchant said:

    Srecko, the question concerning Taxation was quite easy.

    The first record of organized taxation comes from Egypt around 3000 B.C., and is mentioned in numerous historical sources including the Bible. ...(internet source).

    Christian ideology/doctrine supports the tax system of the Roman Empire at the time of Jesus and the apostles, as can be seen from biblical quotations.

    But, what this have with @ By Isabella's  topic? 

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