Srecko Sostar

JW congregation does not have "Sunday School" and children are responsible(responsibility) of parents. But it seems how parents are not only one who "teaching own children", but MS and Elders are involved in this practice too, not only in Australia and not only in those states where this is obligated/legislated. Ok, than we see not only domestic/family program of teaching religious things to children, but Institutional Program/Settings with MS and Elders involved.

Apologize for reading this incorrectly. It is very similar to "worth nothing".

As i understand @Anna commented this is fake news. What do you think @Isabella ?

Thanks for fed back information

Ok. And what are your expectations about me and my comments? Perhaps other people have different view than you and will find it is acceptable to/for them. How you came to such perspective, that i imagine something about myself? You don't have to answer, it is just my incidental thought. More important is, how does your "analysis" of me contribute to the matter we are talking about?

WTJWorg The administration has changed its mind? On what grounds and motives? Some are mentioned in the article (money issue). Indeed, we can speak of the hypocrisy of those who are the “leaders” of this organization. Arguments by some to justify non-cooperation were that the CSA was not “institutional violence” but “domestic violence” (Holly Folk from Cesnur) or that WTJWorg had no “institutional setings” with which to participate in reddress.

Is there any particular reason for us to discuss more about other religions and organizations at the JW Open Club? Current and former members gathered here to exchange opinions, views, beliefs, experiences ....,

Not my striving, just observation and some sort of thinking about issue. Let me explain, please. Who was inspired in the 1st century? Christians? Which Christians? Every Christian? Only Writers of Letters and Books of Bible? Men, women, children? Missionaries? Elders? Etc. WTJWorg said how "gifts of miracles" aka "inspiration" stopped in 1st Century. But the expressions of the spirit in the first assembly were not the only in "miraculous works." What about teachings? JW members are said First Christians to have had wrong predictions and expectations, thus trying to justify the wrong doctrines for today’s GB and JW. Were the apostles "guided by the spirit" or inspired by the spirit? " How did they work "miracles"? Under "guidance or inspiration"? WTJWorg publications using verse: Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired statement,*+ but test the inspired statements* to see whether they originate with God,+ for many false prophets have gone out into the world. - 1 john 4 1 ... and teach members to using these in everyday life to not be deceived. How will JW recognize the inspired expression? How will JW test the inspired expression? How will JW refuse to believe in an inspired expression? .... if he himself is not inspired to be able to see the difference? How will an uninspired individual cope with an inspired expression? So it’s not about my insistence on the topic, it’s about how to recognize truth from lies. Is it easier / harder to recognize an uninspired lie or an inspired lie? :))

Can the use of these biblical passages, to unimportant individuals like me, be applied to GB because they adopted doctrines that later turned out to be wrong (false). This can be explained in two ways, which you would, I would say, “suggest through the first few minutes of the video”: 1) by the influence of the “deceiving spirit” from the outside and 2) by the influence of the “deceiving spirit” from the inside.

.. how they approached truth ... ... word of god as something outside of them .... .. they approach the truth of god as something inside them ... ... subjectivity leads to all kinds of mistakes ... ----------------------------- Let anyone who is thirsty come to me and drink. 38 Whoever believes in me, as Scripture has said, rivers of living water will flow from within them.”[c] 39 By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. - John 7 In which version is it possible to make more mistakes? When are you "guided, lead by the spirit" (GB claim they are guided) or when are you "inspired by the spirit" (GB claim they are not inspired)?

For example; When Moses wrote “under inspiration, things like - ”don’t murder", or when he wrote that "soldiers can have captive virgins and take them if they want but they have to kill all her family before", - I wonder if passing/adoption/writing such regulations requires only influence of "inspiration" or can it be done/achieved in another way, without inspiration.

Well, in case of (when people are in) "doubts" you think how that state is "self-inflicted". In your "case" you explained your position with "self-warranted" which is why you are allowed to do things you would not otherwise approve of (allowed) others. Do these standards you mention have a name by which they can be distinguished?

Obviously we have a different view of the meaning of the term "inspired", but also of the manifestation of the action of the spirit, if / when someone is "inspired". Simply put, "being inspired" does not only mean how someone walks on water or speaks a language they have never learned, walks through a wall and the like.

Yes, a wonderful thought indeed, BUT, even JWs on here don't seem to believe in miracles anymore. One of most indicative "miracles" is to be "inspired by God (HS)". GB deny every possibility that individual or group of people can be "inspired" by God today.

I don't know how JW member (not only you dear Cesar) can so repetitively, resolutely and drastically advocate a position that is contrary to the public proclamation of WTJWorg and even more important to the teachings of Jesus ?!

I am respecting your freedom to this (and other) opinion about "people here" and "people of your worldwide brotherhood". I am sure that you in the same moment have perception and idea and guess about reality, that many people in your "worldwide brotherhood" feel and think similar to "people here", but they are not here to tell us that.

Let it put this way: Person can understand context for WTJWorg interpretation about 607 to 1914 to 1975. Is that (understanding) enough to make WTJWorg ideas to be true? It is not (only) about mental state of individual , but more about how WTJWorg doctrines shape and direct mental state of person. Continuity continues :))

It is a very awkward and embarrassing situation. Even if we discreetly told someone what was going on, that person would often tell it to others so that our private confession could be publicly known in front of many. So, many would be "healed", not just a sinner :)))

You chose a good verse. He dissolved the Judicial Committee and the executioners (stoning) with a few calm words. Under Jewish law and this law in the JW Congregation, adultery is a “gross sin” and cannot pass without the intervention of elders. Jesus showed that the elders and members of the Jew Congregation in this case have nothing to do and/or deal with her affairs.

Yes, i think i recall you or someone else mentioned this issue, about family members wish about not reporting. It will be interesting to hear more about this. About JW members (or as general) not reporting to police and also, how about not reporting to elders too.

Yes, i am learning exactly now. Please, will you clear here, about what God inspired them to be published? Oh dear God! Stick to context of comment. Jesus didn't act in roll of elder in Judicial Committee with another 2 elders and making decision about brother X or sister Y. I hope God will bless you this time and you will see the point :))). :)))

It can be. Some or enough patterns in New Jew congregations was from Old Jew system, as i can see. Eg. Apostles have meetings without presence of woman, as in case immediately after Jesus death. Jesus had spiritual meetings with apostles but their wives and children were not present. Sort of Men's club. Yes, Jesus made some extensions while speaking with women, but many important meetings were without women, without families of disciple. Perhaps their wives were not interested in new movement or been preoccupied with care for family. By the way, when we talk about women and apostles. The 3 Gospels report that the women saw the empty tomb and went to tell the apostles. However 1 Gospel (according to Mark) says that they did not go to tell anyone anything. Some explanation?

Many of us here know how GB and elders in JW congregations interpreting, how these verses in Mat 18 is about "minor sins". All "gross sins" must be reported to elders (not to police or other secular authorities). In such way of interpretation JW people can't apply verses 15 and 16 for "serious sin". But they are in obligation to apply verse 17 for "serious sin". Is CSA "serious sin" (or crime)? In WTJWorg interpretations that is matter for elders first/primarily. Only recently Organization gave permission to members to report that same thing (CSA) to secular governments. Now, is lying or stealing "serious sin"? What items from Chapter 18 do JW members apply in such a case? Do they report that to police, or only to elders? Or they are free to handle that individually? By now i see how Shepherd book (2019) speaking about things as fraud, slander, manslaughter, to some level connected with some sort of notification to/from secular authorities, and specifically/only about CSA in connection with secular governments and reporting. All in all question you made is proper: What do they (GB) obey? And what they teaching members to obey?

I can agree with your comment about issue. This sentence I singled out is very reminiscent of how WTJWorg blaming its members because they, reportedly/allegedly, didn’t understand what was written in the publications, so they began to believe in something they themselves thought was written in magazines (1975 is a great example from history that even today is part of JW talks in congregations and on JWTV).

Atheists "eat beef" without God. Believers "eat beef" with God. Well, what then?