Srecko Sostar

So called "despicable apostates" only "reproach" WTJWorg GB corporation for their manipulative using of Bible and God for own interests. 

Book Children 1941

Should men and women, both of whom are Jonadabs or "other sheep" of the Lord, now marry before Armageddon and bring forth children They may choose to do so, but the admonition or advice of the Scriptures appears to be against it. Being married before Armageddon and both continuing faithful and surviving Armageddon, their marital relationship shall continue and persist after Armageddon. They receive their right to life everlasting after Armageddon, and after receiving that right to life their children then born would be born in righteousness. Page 312

That would appear to indicate it would be proper that those who will form the"great multitude" should wait until after Armageddon to bring children into the world. Page 313

Watchtower magazine 1941

Cartons of Children that had been deposited in The Arena were now opened, and Judge Rutherford instructed the children how to come and each get a copy thereof, those in the rear half of The Arena marching in two columns out through a side exit, and those in the front half of The Arena marching up over the platform and out through a rear exit. As the march began, the orchestra (minus all its children instrumentalists) struck up and rendered songs, "Children of the Heavenly King," "The Sword of the Lord and of Gideon," and "Who Is on the Lord's Side'" while the vast audience sang. Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioners, on a contribution.    September 15 Page 288

On 4/7/2016 at 12:12 AM, Outta Here said:

Makes no difference. They will still make mistakes, as did prophets of old.

FALSE prophets (of old and modern time) making "mistakes". Well, it makes huge difference. :))

1 hour ago, 4Jah2me said:

Your Leaders show up the faults in other religions, but hide the faults in their own Organisation.  It's fact, live with it or leave the Org. 

WTJWorg Administration making "very clever" legal moves such as establishment of new corporations under various names in order to hide the origin and position / location of the documentation, ie incriminating documentation and money. This is my opinion. It is not necessary to prove the opinion, nor is it possible to successfully refute it :)) The establishment of the CCJW in 2000 is one of such maneuvers.

Court documents that are publicly available show that this view is not excessive.

Similar to various "Armageddon debacles". Where is the "Hidden Ball" located? Under which of the three boxes? They said that Armageddon would start in 1914, and then they said that the ball of Armageddon was under the vessel that says 1925. But look, it's not there, it's below the 1941 vessel. So again, the JW members misinterpreted the 1975 ball. And so to this day. 

Where are the documents? Under which vessel, ie in which WT corporation? :))

523641_2019_Heather_Steele_v_Donald_J_Nicholson_et_al_MEMORANDUM_OF_LAW_I_16.pdf 523641_2019_Heather_Steele_v_Donald_J_Nicholson_et_al_SUMMONS___COMPLAINT_1.pdf

11 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Now show me a religious group that "hasn't" fallen in Satan's world?

Do you have problem with perception ...... 

.....or authors of this WT magazines have problem with self valuation ? This claims/quotes tell nothing about, what you call - "fallen in satan's world", or may we say, .....fall under satan's influence. 

Or the imperceptible influence of the evil one occurs, so the WTJWorg claim to have the truth is nothing special, for others also claim to have the truth.... , without being aware that they are under the influence of lies !?

This JW people who wrote articles speaking only about "truth" inside WTJWorg religion. They say: WE HAVE THE TRUTH and WE PRACTICE THE TRUTH.

Do you want to change your question, perhaps? :)) Or do you like to agree with conclusion how your attempt to defend WTJWorg is without foundation because of your statement: Now show me a religious group that "hasn't" fallen in Satan's world?

Do Jehovah’s Witnesses Believe That They Have the One True Religion?

Those who are serious about religion should think that the one they’ve chosen is acceptable to God and Jesus. Otherwise, why would they be involved in it?  Jesus Christ didn’t agree with the view that there are many religions, many roads, all leading to salvation. Rather, he said: “Narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.” (Matthew 7:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that they’ve found that road. Otherwise, they’d look for another religion. - https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/true-religion/

Are You Convinced That You Have the Truth? Why?

....In other words, they are practicing true Christianity. ......As devoted Christian preachers and teachers, Jehovah’s Witnesses are so convinced that they have found the truth ......Witnesses do all of this because they are convinced that they have found the truth......That Jehovah’s Witnesses hold to God’s standards—in stark contrast with the permissiveness common in many churches—has in itself convinced many that this is a people who practice the truth......That Jehovah’s Witnesses hold to God’s standards—in stark contrast with the permissiveness common in many churches—has in itself convinced many that this is a people who practice the truth. - https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/w20140915/jehovahs-witnesses-convinced-have-truth/

24 minutes ago, Witness said:

Notice that Watchtower’s letter refers to the Guardian article as “published allegations by opposers,” yet later states that “we are grateful that this matter was brought to our attention.” No mention, however, is made of the June 1, 1991 study article.

To whom they are grateful? To Guardian or to opposers? :))) 

39 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

Scripture is clear when it comes to those that qualify to lead.

It can be, it can be. 

41 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

How can a religion leader teach, if that religion, supports gay rights, murder by war, etc.

When religious leaders teach in a manner of "clarifications", "new lights", "beliefs clarified" and similar things constantly + UN, OSCE, CSA and are involved in various Court cases and investigations.  When their "doctrinal pearls" with real estate manipulations comes to be visible for many people, ....yes it is useful to ask; "Are they qualified to lead people and represents King Jesus?" 

54 minutes ago, César Chávez said:

This is exactly what the Watchtower does by faithfully following Gods commands as instructed by Christ.

Do they?

For the sake of argument only: Is the instruction to destroy the incriminating documentation, on global scale in WTJWorg, an instruction that came from Jesus?

:))) you are funny

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

few   Within a few years at most 

 

1. a small number of. "may I ask a few questions?"  

    

   used to emphasize how small a number is. "he had few friends"

    

   pronoun 

   1. a small number of people or things. 

    

   2. used to emphasize how small a number of people or things is.

    

   But they won't listen @Srecko Sostar because they serve and worship their GB.  

Little and few have negative meanings. We use them to mean ‘not as much as may be expected or wished for’. - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/few

At least some but indeterminately small in number - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/few

2 hours ago, 4Jah2me said:

@Srecko Sostar  mentioned how it seemed strange for Jesus to say what he did. And in fact those ones that followed Jesus did not continue to " practice and observe everything they tell you." Those that followed Jesus did things Jesus' way. We know they did so because the Jewish religious leaders often complained about the behavior of the disciples. BUT Jesus' way was the 'new' way of serving God. 

Thanks! You understand perfectly what i wish to say. Because what Jesus said to his listeners at all was his expose about Jew's Teachers of the Law aka scribes, Pharisees and others, how bad and evil they are. Because after Jesus told people about "do what they tell you" he said so many criticism and judgments about that sort of "spiritual leaders", and in fact his wording - "do what they tell you" is sort of irony and sarcasm. In such way i will understand his words today. And perhaps, I hope, his listeners in the past felt same way.

Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work   in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioneers, on a contribution.   Watchtower 1941 September 15 Page 288

6 hours ago, César Chávez said:

“The scribes and Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3So practice and observe everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.

Sorry CC, some people, or specific people as GB or JW members could use this words from Bible as justification how religious leaders in WTJWorg (or anywhere else) are entitled by Jesus himself and have permission to teach, to make interpretations, to use instructions of all kind and burden people with self made doctrines that have to be obeyed. Nonsense! People, those who are not enchanted with WTJWorg and GB+Helpers would/will see the trap.

It is interesting, in fact strange, (if this Bible verse is correct ?!), that Jesus would gave such instruction, because He knew very well what and how many lies and deceptions were used by the religious leaders of his time.!!  He knew that the "scribes and Pharisees" did not have the spirit of truth in them, so how is it possible to believe that what they say to the people would be good and true ??

Jesus called them hypocrites and blind leaders. Verse 4 of same chapter say; "They tie heavy loads and put them on people's shoulders, ...." How they TIE heavy loads on them? BY WORDS!!!!! 

Well, why we should listen to and obey THEIR WORDS??!! 

moral obligation =

Point 1 - An obligation arising out of considerations of right and wrong; "he did it out of a feeling of moral obligation"

 A duty which one owes, and which he ought to perform, but which he is not legally bound to fulfill.
 These obligations are of two kinds 1st. 

Point 2 - Those founded on a natural right; as, the obligation to be charitable, which can never be enforced by law. 2d.  

Point 3 - Those which are supported by a good or valuable antecedent consideration;

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The key words here are “we think.”

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The WT thinks differently and their thinking makes more sense.

What is ground for moral obligation? Whether GB is missing any of these three points? What moral (or religious, or charity, or company) standard allows GB not to respond to a moral obligation, an official call from the authorities or the law?

I don’t think this is about whether JWs have or not have separate classes in which they teach young children, without the presence of parents, to their religious education. This is how an institution (WTJWorg) and each JW congregation reacted/reacts to the CSA in its circle.

WTJWorg and congregations failed that test.

8 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Not at all. I just like proving how insane the ex-witness views are. Normal people nowadays don't bother or care about religions inner workings. That falls to desperate people that are clueless in what they support and write.

So called "normal" people perhaps are not members of WTJWorg ?

Do "normal" people who are JW members care about "inner workings" of GB+Helpers+Lawyers+Elders? 

5 hours ago, Anna said:

This is why it can be said that JWs are neutral with respect to what the world does.

Public preaching program shows elements when JW people take stand for "Kingdom" and against "World". JW's are against this World because of their deeds.  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. John 3:19

Does JW want the world to be saved, to change its deeds/actions? Yes, because For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. John 3:17

Neutral = impartial = uninterested

Well, does this mean that JW's are uninterested for this world? Mainly yes. Public preaching is of only interest for JW's regard world and secular community. And about  human rights on their religious activity.

7 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Aside from being confused on your application, what else do you have to substantiate your slander?

Remember what your slanderous comment is "WTJWorg and GB already accepted "gay rights" inside some specific WT rules." I asked you to prove it, not show me how confused you are about the subject.

I SUGGEST, IF YOU DON'T MIND, TO STAY FOCUSED ON "1975 DEBACLE" OR ANY OTHER "ARMAGEDDON DEBACLE" IN WTJWORG.

With this comment i will end my participation  about "gay issue" :))

I’m Attracted to the Same Sex—Does That Mean I’m Gay? 

Not at all!

Fact: In many cases, same-sex attraction is nothing more than a passing phase.

But what if your attraction to the same sex seems to be more than a passing phase? Is it cruel of God to tell someone who is attracted to the same sex to avoid homosexuality?

If you answered yes to that last question, you should know that such reasoning is based on the flawed notion that humans must act on their sexual impulses. The Bible dignifies humans by assuring them that they can choose not to act on their improper sexual urges.—Colossians 3:5.

The Bible’s stand is not unreasonable. It simply directs those with homosexual urges to do the same thing that is required of those with an opposite-sex attraction—to “flee from fornication.” (1 Corinthians 6:18) The fact is, millions of heterosexuals who wish to conform to the Bible’s standards employ self-control despite any temptations they might face. Those with homosexual inclinations can do the same if they truly want to please God.—Deuteronomy 30:19. -https://www.jw.org/ase/bible-teachings/teenagers/ask/pressure-to-be-gay/

If someone says: “Homosexuals can’t change their orientation; they’re born that way.”

You might reply: “The Bible doesn’t comment on the biology of homosexuals, although it acknowledges that some traits are deeply ingrained. (2 Corinthians 10:4, 5) Even if some are oriented toward the same sex, the Bible tells Christians to shun homosexual acts.”

✔ Suggestion: Rather than get ensnared in a debate about the cause of homosexual desires, emphasize that the Bible prohibits homosexual conduct. -https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/g201012/explain-bibles-view-of-homosexuality/

Same source of spiritual knowledge and guidance with advice for JW members -  You might reply: “The Bible doesn’t comment on the biology of homosexuals, explains this issue in different way:

•  nor men kept for unnatural purposes (1 Cor 9)– Awake 1997 Dec 8 pp.14-15
• Christian cannot excuse immoral behavior by saying he was ‘born that way.’ But can anyone deny that their sexual appetite is perverted? – Awake 1995 Feb 8 p.16
• Here Paul specifically condemned both male and female homosexuality. He condemned homosexual practices as unnatural and “obscene. - Awake 1995 Feb 22 p.14
• And again, as in the case of homosexuality, the Bible views it as a crime worthy of the death penalty – Awake 1982 Jun 22 p.10
• We can be grateful that God does not change his standards just to satisfy the passing fancies or perverted desires of men.– Awake 1989 Jul 8 p.27

It seems how WTJWorg try to be closer for public and potential new members in a way that omits significant elements of one’s own attitudes, which are based on the Bible. In same time they send public message -"The Bible doesn’t comment on the biology of homosexuals ... but we know what Bible thinks about this sort of people."

In their magazines WTJWorg gave Bible proof how homosexuality is unnatural and by that Bible does comment on the biology, so how/why GB gives advice to JW members to say: The Bible doesn’t comment on the biology of homosexuals ?

Robert Luccioni "morning worship" or morning manipulation and damage control, quote:

"Wicked men and impostors would also inflame statements that people did not understand ...."

GB blamed in past and blame today own members because they "inflame" WT statements in publications. Do readers of this WT magazines need to, at all, to "inflame" what was already "inflamed"?? about 1941 and 1975??

Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work   in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioneers, on a contribution.   Watchtower 1941 September 15 Page 288

copy/paste from @4Jah2me topic: 

Social Services Minister Anne Ruston said institutions facing an application for redress were expected to join the scheme.

Jehovah's Witnesses, Kenja Communications and the Lakes Entrance Pony Club are some of the groups holding out.

"We've been extremely disappointed in the behaviour of the Jehovah's Witnesses," the minister told ABC radio on Friday.

"We have spent a lot of time trying to explain to them what we think is their moral obligation to participate in this scheme but they have to date declined to do so."

Survivors can't be given redress unless the institution they were abused by has joined the scheme.

WTJWorg is "morally neutral" :)) as in same-sex marriage issue ?? It seems how "redress" is also about "political issue" and not "moral issue" ??!! ... or, it is only about "money issue"? :))

15 hours ago, César Chávez said:

On 11/26/2020 at 4:09 PM, Srecko Sostar said:

WTJWorg and GB already accepted "gay rights" inside some specific WT rules. As to my knowledge, JW can be gay/lesbian and part of congregation but he/she is not "allowed to practice his/her propensity". If that is true, some percentage of JW's are homosexuals. 

Before I call you a downright "liar" please share this new insight. Maybe its just another thing you don't understand or are confused about. But, show which publications suggest it and show which congregation has gays that have not transformed and rejected that lifestyle (repented) to Serve God as instructed by Christ.

If you can't, I will not sully myself with your ingenious comment from this point. 

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/teenagers/ask/is-homosexuality-wrong/

In this article that is published for all to see, we can make agree on what i was commenting.

Few quotes for evidence:

 In reality, God’s standards apply to all people, whether they have homosexual desires or heterosexual desires. 

Does that mean the Bible promotes hatred of gays? No. In fact, the Bible doesn’t promote hatred of anyone—gay or straight. Rather, it tells us to “pursue peace with all people,” regardless of their lifestyle. (Hebrews 12:14) So it’s wrong to engage in bullying, hate crimes, or any other type of mistreatment of homosexuals.

Does that mean that Christians should oppose laws that allow same-sex marriage? The Bible shows that God’s standard for marriage calls for the union of one man and one woman. (Matthew 19:4-6) However, discussions of human laws on same-sex marriage relate to a political issue, not a moral one. The Bible tells Christians to remain politically neutral. (John 18:36) Therefore, they neither advocate nor oppose governmental laws involving same-sex marriage or homosexual conduct.

But what if someone who wants to follow God’s standard still has homosexual urges?  As with any urge, a person can choose not to nurture or act on those urges. How? The Bible says: “Keep walking by spirit and you will carry out no fleshly desire at all.”—Galatians 5:16. Notice that the verse doesn’t say that the person will have no fleshly desire. Instead, armed with a good spiritual routine of Bible study and prayer, he or she will have the strength to resist those desires.

It is interesting to read how author of article said this:  However, discussions of human laws on same-sex marriage relate to a political issue, not a moral one.

Really? WTJWorg are not to ready to make "discussion of human laws", but see themselves so fit to tell, to preach to all people in the World, how all "secular governments" that exists today are from devil and will be destroyed because they are evil. But GB see themselves as "neutral" with all JW members who are also "neutral" as GB is, about "sex issue". :)) 

If WTJWorg and JW's are "neutral" to comment "human law about same-sex marriage because that is not MORAL ISSUE, as they say, than it is proper to ask: 

Who or what is the “moral vertical” in WTJWorg? Isn’t GB as “representatives” and “advocates,” an “ambassadors” of God’s interests here on Earth?  Is it not God's interest to promote the values of "higher" moral?  

Is “same-sex marriage” only "law issue"? In your opinion please, Is it "sex" a moral issue or law issue? Is it "marriage" a moral issue or law issue? 

Being gay, Is it a matter of morality or law, or is it outside, beyond discussion in that way? Being gay, Is it just a matter of your own choice or is it determined by other circumstances and conditions ? 

WTJWorg The book "Young people ask" says this:  So it’s wrong to engage in bullying, hate crimes, or any other type of mistreatment of homosexuals. ... Therefore, they neither advocate nor oppose governmental laws involving same-sex marriage or homosexual conduct.

How GB can advocate the "moral question of same-sex marriage" before the secular governments"? Perhaps collective writing and sending Letters to governments and secular authorities would be answer :)))

Part two:

In previous article we have seen a rather tolerant explanation. but WTJWorg published many more about "issue". So we can find different sort of talk from same "source/mouth":

• abhorrent, sexually degrading, unnatural, sordid – WT 2012 Mar 15 p.31
• an unnatural sexual perversion – Awake 1997 Dec 8 pp.14-15
• sick and perverted – Awake 1995 Feb 8 p.16
• gruesome, violent, and downright sadistic.” Awake 1995 Feb 22 p.14
• disgraceful sexual appetites, obscene – True Peace p.15
• worthy of the death penalty – Awake 1982 Jun 22 p.10
• perverted desires – Awake 1989 Jul 8 p.27
• detestable to Jehovah, vile, repulsive – WT 1979 Mar 15 pp.10,11

Determining Whether a Judicial Committee Should Be Formed. - 11. Evidence (testified to by at least two witnesses) that the accused stayed all night in the same house with a person of the opposite sex (or in the same house with a known homosexual) under improper circumstances.—If questions are raised regarding Scriptural freedom to remarry, see 12:12.

An entrenched practice of viewing, perhaps over a considerable period of time, abhorrent forms of pornography that is sexually degrading. Such pornography may include homosexuality (sex between those of the same gender),...

It is equally wrong for a man or woman to watch two women engaged in homosexual activity as it is for a man or woman to watch two men engaged in homosexual activity.—See 12:14-15. - Shepherd Book

WTJWorg is "neutral"?? :))

14 hours ago, Witness said:

His message was simple to begin with.  It didn't need to be "simplified" after screwing with people's lives...for decades, by telling "dogmatic statements regarding a Bible prophesy."

This is what JW people need to hear. 100 up votes for this!

11 hours ago, César Chávez said:

would you like to see the Watchtower

I don't care about WTJWorg. But it is interesting to see, analyze and show what they are speaking and doing. Perhaps that will help other people to see the truth behind "the truth".

11 hours ago, César Chávez said:

Do you want the GB to accept "gay rights" like the POPE? Is the Watchtower supposed to listen to "men" instead of the word of God?

WTJWorg and GB already accepted "gay rights" inside some specific WT rules. As to my knowledge, JW can be gay/lesbian and part of congregation but he/she is not "allowed to practice his/her propensity". If that is true, some percentage of JW's are homosexuals. 

23 hours ago, Anna said:

As you know, Jehovah's Witnesses don't need a special day to thank God.

The Lord’s supper is the term used to describe an arrangement that Jesus instituted on the night of his betrayal. In brief, it consists of a Scriptural discussion, the giving of thanks and the partaking of bread and wine. Some refer to it as the Eucharist, because of Jesus’ “giving thanks” on that occasion. It is also referred to as the Communion and the Mass. Doubtless, the most fitting of all names for it is “the Lord’s evening meal.”—1 Cor. 11:20. - https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959205

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Robert Luccioni addressed such problems when he advised “strengthening your spiritual core.”

- strong core - 2 tim 3 14,15 .... from whom he learned teaching
- wicked man and impostors would twist Jesus words - generation teachings - constantly repackage Jesus teachings 
- spiritual foundational muscles
- dogmatic statements we made in past
-

- etc. etc

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Disturbed at a prior organizational “dogmatic statement?”

RL speaking about wicked man and impostors that would twist Jesus words.

What was Jesus' words about, for example, "generation"?? Only what we can read in Gospels.  Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have happened. Mat 24:34 

And He stopped at that point! 

Who did constantly repackage Jesus words about "generation"? WT and GB! Period! We are witnesses of at least 3 crucial changes on "generation" interpretations.

Please, JW's "strong core" depending very much on Teachers from which they primary heard "the word", is one of element RL speaking about. WT Teachers from Russell to nowadays ...they have changed. Various Teachers and JW got/have various spiritual food. So, this famous "spiritual core" he want to highlight, was different for various generations of JW's. Various generation of JW's are/were not UNITED in one and same Teaching in this time period from 19th century until today. Are they UNITED with Teachings from 1st Century??

And look the miracle. Different, even opposite "spiritual core" that is needed for "spiritual foundational muscles" is based on one, single and same, never changed Jesus' words about "generation". Or about any other Jesus' teachings. But in WTJWorg World everything is possible. To be extracted different and various "divine" teachings from ONE and SAME Bible verse about word "generation" in Mat 24:34.

Who are "wicked man and impostors" inside WTJWorg that (would) twists Jesus words and constantly repackage Jesus teachings? Ex-JW aka apostates? :))) or GB+Helpers+Elders?

15 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

The trick is not to try to sanitize the present. It is to desanitize the past. This is what Luccioni does

?? desanitize = To remove the cleanliness from something; to dirty. To make unsanitary.

WTJWorg past and present is mixture of clean and unclean things. Is that what RL is trying to explain?? 

... one day we may hit the time whether personally or as organization when all the other peripherals are gone, all the extras (conventions, TV, videos, music WT articlec etc).

What will they have left, to JW's, when traditional and peripherals spiritual elements gone? They will be left with "old questionable spiritual food" ... as in all the years, decades before.

18 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Please don’t tell me you’ve escaped into a world in which there is no flippancy. Next you’ll be saying that peace, brotherhood, and mutual respect are the default conditions in the overall world.

I would not say something like that, of course and for sure ...., and you are neither forecaster nor prophet able to know what i will say next :)) 

13 minutes ago, Witness said:

13 hours ago, TrueTomHarley said:

Everyone gets one failed end-date call within a lifetime. It’s in the rules. It’s a sign of staying alert. Jump the gun in the race and do they shoot you with it? No. It’s not a big deal. They just start the race over.

 

Such a flippant remark,

It seems how our friend @TrueTomHarley speaking how it is "normal" to be deceived with "end-date call". I can agree with reality how always exists individuals or groups who are masters in deceiving and manipulation of other people. And we all can be their victims.

JW members are not first and not last people who were/are/will be successfully deceived with "end-date call". But it is also true how WTJWorg leaders aka GB, supported and associated in collaboration with with Elders, very successfully from generation to generation of JW members, keep in force, maintain all those expectations about Armageddon. At the same time, they accuse unnamed individuals/members of being guilty of erroneous expectations and interpretations of the text in publications and public speeches. GB members with the help of the administrative apparatus (Helpers, Elders), place possible outcomes based on interpretations of the biblical text. 

GB are flippant (or not?) and members are flippant. Thanks to God some of us escaped from such condition.

15 minutes ago, Anna said:

Yes. It's natural for every generation to want to live to see all the good promises fulfilled in their lifetime. With the right attitude, this should not be a disturbing thing to anyone, at best. At worst, it is a disappointment when it doesn't happen and can make you downhearted temporarily. With the wrong attitude it can make people angry and throw out the baby with the bath water.

I am completely agree with conclusion in Your first/second sentence. Up vote :))

However, I’m not sure what it means, generally, and/or what do You mean with; to have the right or wrong attitude when it comes to "wanting and expecting that something (promises from Bible or God or GB) to be fulfilled in our lifetime".