Srecko Sostar

I'm sure you have made a Storm Trooper very happy today  but you don't seem to understand that from my viewpoint I didn't need to answer his questions.  SM was also pushing me to answer questons about homosexuality and immorality.  He was getting very domineering about it all..... Now if I had suffered from anxiety or depression i would have been very upset by SM's continuous pushing of questions. I don't think he knows how much harm he could do. But I was laughing at SM because i could not tkae him seriously. You seem to take SM very seriously. That is your choice. 

The JW Org took that scripture out of context from 1929 until 1962.  The proof of it was shown in my comment. 
 

Hello  Equivocation,
If you are preaching the "good news" around the world, why did Jesus say these words...
"When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel Matt 10:23 before the Son of Man comes."  Matt 10:23
 
 
 

But probably one of the BIGGEST misuse of scripture (or lies) by the BIBLE STUDENTS & GB / JW Org has to be,
THIS GENERATION 
https://avoidjw.org/en/news/this-generation/ 
Since the late 1800s Jehovah’s Witnesses, or Bible Students as they were known back then, have attempted many times to define and interpret ‘This Generation” mentioned in Jesus’ prophecy at Matthew 24:34.  Looking at the evidence, one would have to admit that they have become a false prophet in modern times. Matthew 7:15. They have chosen various dates and amended them numerous times using the same logic to justify the alterations.
The question that needs to be asked of every reader is this: If you can use the same scriptures to present your logic for contradicting theologies, are you not being deceitful and blasphemous? (Mark 7:15, 22) Indeed if you present a biblical idea as fact and it proves false, are you not a liar? – John 8:44.
Changes to “This Generation”
1875:”This Generation” began April 6th 1875.
(The Midnight Cry and Herald of the Morning – see pp. 71-72 of linked file) 1878: “This Generation” began in 1878.
(Herald of the Morning, 1878, July p. 5) 1879: “This Generation” began in 1840, would last 74 years and would end in 1914.
(Herald of the Morning, 1879, January p.3) 1882: “This Generation” refers to Christ being present “before the regeneration” and began in the spring of 1878.
(Zion’s Watch Tower, 1882, April p. 6; May p. 5) 1908: “This Generation” will end by October 1914.
(Zion’s Watch Tower, 1908 January p.3) 1909: “This Generation” began in 1878 and will terminate in 1914.
(Zion’s Watch Tower, 1909 February 15 p.57) 1909: “This Generation” may not end in 1914 but the “Gentile Times” will conclude in October 1914.
(Zion’s Watch Tower, 1909 December 1 pp. 371-372; Zion’s Watchtower, 1912 July 15 pp. 221-223) 1912: “This Generation” may not end in 1914 but we still believe that the time could not be very far distant.
(Zion’s Watch Tower, 1912 October 15 p. 327) 1916: Admission that 1874, 1878 and 1881 were chronological mistakes upon which they apportion blame to the Lord. However October 1 1914 is unmistakably the end of the Gentile Times.
(Zion’s Watch Tower 1916 February 1 p. 38) 1950: ‘This Generation” began in 1914 and applied to the 20th century generation of people.
(The Watchtower Sep 15 1950 p. 324) 1952: “This Generation” began in 1914, included overlapping generations of individuals, each generation spanning some 33 years each, and would end with Armageddon happening before some of those living in 1914 had died.
(The Watchtower Sep 1 1952 pp. 542-543; Feb 15 1953 p.124 para. 35) 1953: “This Generation” has only a few years remaining.
(The Watchtower Oct 15 1953 pp. 615-616) Italics added for emphasis. 1956: Jesus said that the generation that saw 1914 “will by no means pass away until all these things occur.”
(The Watchtower Oct 15 1956 pp. 615-616) Italics added for emphasis. 1959: The world events since World War I of 1914-1918 have fulfilled those prophecies. The time has finally come for Jehovah God to clean up the earth and to bring permanent peace to man. The generation living in 1914 will see it.“
(The Watchtower Sep 1 1959 p. 519) Italics added for emphasis. 1961: “This generation” that is still alive from A.D. 1914 is the generation Jesus said would see “all things occur,” including this world’s end. Deliverance for Jesus’ true followers into God’s new world is due within this generation!”
(The Watchtower Mar 1 1961 p. 132) Italics added for emphasis. 1995: “This Generation” refers to both an unbelieving generation of Jews in the first century and to a wicked generation of people in modern times. Furthermore, the length of a “generation” is unimportant. Jehovah’s Witnesses must still consider Armageddon as being imminent and must remain “keeping separate from the evil contemporary generation and zealously doing God’s will.”
(The Watchtower Nov 1 1995 pp. 10-21) 2008: “This Generation” refers to both the apostles in the first century and to anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses in modern times. The length of a “generation” remains unimportant. Jehovah’s Witnesses revised understanding “helps to intensify … feelings of urgency.”
(The Watchtower Feb 15 2008 pp. 21-25). 2010: “This Generation” continues to refer to both the apostles in the first century and to anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses in modern times. However, although acknowledging that they cannot measure the exact length of “this generation”, its length has become important once again:  its modern length would begin with the generation of anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses who witnessed events in 1914 and would overlap with anointed Jehovah’s Witnesses who would see the start of the Great Tribulation.
(The Watchtower Apr 15 2010 pp. 10-11 para. 13-14; Jan 15 2014 pp. 30-13 para. 14-16 ) “This Generation” is core to Jehovah’s Witnesses’ doctrine. Additionally, “The Faithful & Discreet Slave” is core to their doctrine. However, these very doctrines constantly change. If the understanding of these doctrines are “gifts” from Jehovah, why do they change? – James 1:16-18.

This is your own judgement against them. So it seems that you no longer see them as people but just one specific group who would be a 'complete waste of time'. 
It's good that Jesus and the disciples did not view people in that way. 
I Corinthians 6 : 9 
 'Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, 10  thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11  And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God'
That is what some of them were. So how and why did they change ? If they had been treated as being a waste of time, then they would not have learnt about God and Christ, and they would not have changed. 

That’s an excellent question. I like the parable of the Good Samaritan. When in doubt I believe it sets the best example that Jesus gave. Just replace man lying half dead on the street with gay person (Luke 10:25-37). Out of the priest and the Levite who shunned their neighbor, the Samaritan was the only one Jesus commended that didn’t shun his neighbor lying half dead on the street. He had mercy on the man, cared for him. Jesus never went onto say whether the beaten man was gay or straight, it didn’t matter, the Samaritan not only helped the injured man, he showed love for him regardless. That is the one who Jesus Christ said will inherit eternal life.
25 “On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”
27 “He answered, “’Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”
28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”
29 “But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?” Luke 10:25-29
We all have gay neighbors.
“For the entire Law has been fulfilled in one commandment, namely: “You must love your neighbor as yourself.” Galatians 5:14
If we wish to inherit eternal life, we must love them.
Anything else and we would fulfill the prophecy of having no natural affection, shunning (2 Timothy 3:3). 

Wow. It seems that you think that God or Christ have given you authority to judge me.
You and Space Merchant seem to be of the same personality. You both seem to enjoy twisting topics just to get attention for yourselves. You both seem to demand that I answer your questions. But you are both just like the Pharisees. Your questions are not genuine. Your questions are aimed at belittling people. 
HERE ARE THE FACTS : - 
THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT HOW DIFFERENT JW MEMBERS OF THE SAME FAMILY, DEALT WITH AN EX-JW DAUGHTER THAT WAS LIVING WITH ANOTHER WOMAN. SO THE EX-JW DAUGHTER WAS LIVING A LIFE OF HOMOSEXUALITY. BUT HER PARENTS DIDN'T SHUN HER. 
THIS TOPIC IS NOT ABOUT GOD'S VIEWPOINT AS SUCH, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW THAT GOD HATES THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY.  SO THAT DOES NOT NEED MAKING CLEAR TO US AS WE ALL KNOW IT ALREADY.
However my point still stands. How do you as individuals treat homosexuals ? 
Also there seems to be the point that even though that daughter is an EX-JW her parents have not shunned her. 
Whereas some on here seem to think they have the authority to condemn people to death. Running ahead of God and Christ. Which of you think you have the right to do this ? 

But of course it was ok for the Watchtower / JW org / GB to misuse the scripture at Romans 13
https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/superior-authorities.php
The understanding of the “Superior Authorities” of Romans 13:1 is a teaching where Watchtower doctrine has see-sawed back and forth in clear violation of the principle of the light getting brighter.
Up to 1929 1929 to 1962 1962 onwards “Evil as these Gentile governments have been, they were permitted or “ordained of God” for a wise purpose. (Rom. 13:1)” Studies In the Scriptures Series I - The Divine Plan of the Ages p.250 “The Superior Authorities are the Most High God Jehovah and his exalted Son Jesus Christ.” This Means Everlasting Life (1950) p.197 “The Expression “superior authorities” means the political governments or authorities.” Life everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God (1966) p.189 Romans 13:1-2 is simple to understand, describing the Christian obligation to follow the laws of the country. This is how it is interpreted by most Christian religions and how Russell explained the Scripture.
Then we have the Locusts. (Copied from a quote by @Witness back 2019 )
“The locusts of Joel Chapter 2 no longer refer to Jehovah's Witnesses and events surrounding 1919. The locusts in Revelation chapter 22 however still do refer to the anointed, but are now no longer connected with the prophecy on Joel. Joel 2 now refers to the "Babylonians", the coalition of nations that will try to destroy God's people. The context of Joel chapter 2 points the time period of fulfilment to Jehovah's Day in the Great Tribulation and how God will save his people.”
That is just two examples of MISUSE of scripture (or lies) from the Watchtower / JW Org / GB / Leaders.
So, if you condemn other religions for misuse of scripture, why do you not also condemn JWs ?
The misuse of scripture by church or organisation leaders is a stumbling block to others. Luke 17 : 1&2. 

It's good to know that all of us on here that are trying to be Christians in line with God's word through Jesus Christ, including myself, will all forgive each other the '77 times' each day. 
10.45pm here in England. Warmest Christian love to all. Goodnight. 

I am confused an have no "basics" about this  . What is "Truther Community" and who are "Truthers"? Is that some Movement, Religion, Internet Community? Who are members? And can you be, for example Catholic or Muslim or JW and "Truther" who belong to "Truther Community" in the same time?

Dear SM, you entered into a debate.  You set the rules, not @Patiently waiting for Truth, the person who began the topic.  It was you who made it a regulated debate under rules you enforced.  I hope you can see that. 

Oh, well, the topic is "TRUTH TRUTHER TRUE. THE WORDS LOSE THEIR MEANING IN OVER USE", and in this rare case, I thought I actually stayed on topic!

Space Merchant wants 'free advertising'. He wants me to do 'research' to advertise his 'community'. 
I'm not falling for it. He has called himself a Truther for so long, it is obvious that he has wanted people to ask him what they are.  
Maybe @Space Merchant should make a new topic where he can advertise his 'community'. 
 
 

Yes funny that you take this one line out of context. WHEREAS you would use other quotes in context.
You certainly seem to have JW training. 
I'm sure that 'quote' above also said "If you think I am John Butler, then I am" 

I am confused an have no "basics" about this  . What is "Truther Community" and who are "Truthers"? Is that some Movement, Religion, Internet Community? Who are members? And can you be, for example Catholic or Muslim or JW and "Truther" who belong to "Truther Community" in the same time?

Is your real name "Space Merchant"? I am not making problem with that. Also, i don't understand your strong desire to deal with the issue of who is called on a forum where almost everyone has fictitious names.

Man to man, stop hiding behind a mask. a Space Merchant, a Storm Trooper, a Truther. 
You are a person just as I am. Stop pretending that you make the rules, because you don't. 
You say we are in Debate. I say I'm not interested in your 'debate'. 
In fact you act like a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. you give orders and your expect people to obey. You've tried in on with @Srecko Sostar and with @Witness  and with me. 
BUT, you only have 'power' IF people allow you to have such power. And I do not allow you to have that power over me. 

I have no interest in YOUR rules or terms. They mean nothing to me. 
As for a name, you can call me anything you wish. Tom usually does. 
When John Butler was drastically removed from this forum, he could not return as John Butler.  He had to return as someone else. NOT HIS CHOICE. 
BUT you said I denied being John Butler, so prove it Truther. 

Actually it was I that took up the challenge because you made a point of saying that I should start a new topic. 
Well I started a new topic ! 
BUT once again you miss the whole point of it. It's not that you are 'blind' to what i write. But I can read in your words that you deliberately twist things. 
This is not only with me. You do it to @Witness and you do it to @Srecko Sostar .  
Now my point about people giving themselves or their Organistion a 'title' relating to the word Truth. 
Anyone can use that word Truth. Tom Harley calls himself @TrueTomHarley  You call your self a Truther
The JWs say they are in the 'truth'. 
The word TRUTH therefore loses it's meaning, ( especially concerning the Watchtower / JW Org.
I have no interest in what you Truthers say or do, as to me it is just part of the 'world'.  
And I am also not interested in digging into politics, one side or the other. I'm not interested in calling people 'Left' or ' Right' as that is getting involved with the world. 
BUT back on topic. THE TOPIC IS ABOUT THE USE OF THE WORD TRUTH.
And I repeat, the word TRUTH has lost it's original meaning, because to many People or Orgs misuse it. 
Maybe that is part of the Devil's plan. Words get diluted, they lose their original meaning, that can mean if we are not careful, when we read scripture we might lose the true sense of it. 

Do you want to be extremely uncompromising (utterly unyielding) in claiming that JWs do not make a single mistake in their beliefs and the way they practice their religion (including JW people who created NWT) ??
If you start with such a perspective then it is superfluous for John and I to answer such and other similar questions.
The fact is, which does not require it to be explained and proven, that JWs are not on the streets with their magazine trolleys and that they cannot be seen going from house to house. This kind of “sacred service”, for them, was proof that they were “true witnesses” for God. It was an indicator and example, in the eyes of JW, for other religious members of how to preach and how individual faith in God is proven and demonstrated. If JWs preach over the phone, the Internet, writing letters, or the like, that is not something that would be the original way of preaching after the example of the First Church. This is what JW's himself (they) claims, that going from house to house and looking people in the face is the best way because Jesus and the apostles practiced and established it as an example to follow.
From everything we know (see) is going on, we don't need to start again (which started on the first page) with a discussion, because the current practice of JW members, on preaching, ends / concludes your question.

You are closer to their thinking than I am. I can only quote their allegations that could give a possible answer to your question. But since you read their publications yourself, I am convinced that you can guess what the explanation for your objection to their translation of the Bible might be. That in the sense, “we are not inspired", "we are not perfect", "we thought", "Jesus thought" and the like.

A man calls himself a TRUTHER. 
Another man calls himself TRUE 
And an Organisation says they have the TRUTH.
But Jesus says (recorded at Matthew 9 :13.
Berean Study Bible
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
God's word is TRUTH, that is real truth.  The Pharisees had the Hebrew scriptures, so it could be said that the Pharisees 'had truth'.
So why did Jesus condemn the Pharisees ? Because the Pharisees were hypocrites. They knew those scriptures well, but used it to be dictators of the people. 
Hence the scripture above. Almighty God and Jesus desires mercy not sacrifice. That scripture proves it. 
Unfortunately those words TRUTH or TRUE are now thrown about so much they have lost their real meaning. And if a Person or an Organsaition needs to use it as a title then what does it show ?  
Well here on this forum it seems to show that such people could easily be the type very similar to the Pharisees. Sticking to the Law, but avoiding the Mercy.  
Of course no true Christian would condone immorality. No true Christian would take part in immorality either. But, no true Christian would lack that Mercy that Jesus instructed either. 

Srecko that made me laugh, because it is so true. A perfect answer, well done  

You are closer to their thinking than I am. I can only quote their allegations that could give a possible answer to your question. But since you read their publications yourself, I am convinced that you can guess what the explanation for your objection to their translation of the Bible might be. That in the sense, “we are not inspired", "we are not perfect", "we thought", "Jesus thought" and the like.

Srecko in all respects you mentioned Basic Knowledge. You called out the Jehovah's Witnesses in error on Scripture before concerning the Bible. Those 2 questions are for you.
It has nothing to do with publications. The images and notes below were from other sources, primarily from JW facts, similar to what you brought forth in the past.
Also of course, no one is inspired, in the same sense as apostles/prophets of old. We already talked about that months ago regarding Prophets Not Inspired.
Anyways, you can take as much time you need with this one since the 2 question are Textual Analytics based: