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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    That’s one of the biggest conundrums for Watchtower. They claim Christendom/false religion is Babylon The Great and all “Gods People” were somehow in there and “came out of her” by coming into their organization, but the fact is, none of them were adopted as Gods sons/people until they came INTO the JW organization, so where do Gods anointed people stand when the trumpet is blown to come out of her (Revelation 18:4)? They’re in the organization. The woman fleeing to the wilderness is because they see the idolatry happening inside the organization. Paul says to “flee from idolatry”- 1 Cor 10:14. Contrary to watchtowers beliefs, the trumpet wasn’t blown in 1914. 
    Babylon the Great is the covenant of death:
    For you men say:  “We have made a covenant with Death, And with the Grave we have made an agreement” Isaiah 28:15
    Jerusalem is the covenant of life:
    But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. Gal 4:26
    The anointed that stay inside that organization break the covenant with life and solidify themselves as the clay [anointed are the clay] of the feet of the image of Daniel, they made a covenant with death:
    “Yet you, LORD, are our Father. We are the clay, you are the potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8
    “its legs were of iron, and its feet were partly of iron and partly of clay” Daniel 2:33
    As long as the anointed stay as part of the feet of Daniels image, they are part of Babylon the Great.
    In Rev 17:3-5 you can see all of Babylon The Greats people have “her name” stamped on their forehead. Jerusalem/the anointed have their owners name on their forehead Rev 3:12.
    The Kingdom wasn’t born in 1914. According to Matthew 24:8 “All these are the beginning of birth pains.” We know that when a woman gives birth (birth to anything, babies, the kingdom etc) all the birth pains immediately stop. Watchtower changed Matthew 24:8 to read “all these things are a beginning of pangs of distress” completely twisting the meaning to fit the kingdom being born first and then birth pangs start, which is nonsense. Much of this, if not all, is already published on @Witness website which is a pretty fascinating read. 
    According to Paul and the Bible, these men were the ones he said to watch out for that would be proclaiming a fraudulent Christ’s presence/the lords day before it happens. This was all prophesied, which happened in 1914.
    "Don’t be so easily shaken or alarmed by those who say that the day of the Lord has already begun. Don’t believe them, even if they claim to have had a spiritual vision, a revelation, or a letter supposedly from us." 2 thess 2:2
    "BACK in 1914, Jesus was installed as King of God’s Kingdom, and the Lord’s day began." - w88 10/15 pp. 15-20
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Dmitar in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Reading the biblical passages, commentaries, and teachings of WTJWorg, I come to further questions.
    WTJWorg claims that the anointed (remaining of the literal number 144,000) are in their Organization. The Bible claims that the anointed flee from Satan and seek salvation in the "wilderness", because God has found refuge there, for her.
    But on the other hand WTJWorg and JW claim and believe they are in a “spiritual paradise”. So then I ask; 1) How did the symbolic “desert” (place of salvation) become a literal “spiritual paradise” (place of salvation like Noah’s ark) !?
    2) Is WTJWorg a “desert” or a “paradise”? Because there is a “woman” there, that is, there are supposedly all the anointed ones.
    What is “desert” in biblical terminology? What does that word mean according to dictionaries? For example, the dictionary ( Merriam Webster) says this for that word:
    1a(1): a tract or region uncultivated and uninhabited by human beings
    (2): an area essentially undisturbed by human activity together with its naturally developed life community
    b: an empty or pathless area or region in remote wildernesses of space groups of nebulae are found— G. W. Gray †1960
    c: a part of a garden devoted to wild growth
    2 obsolete : wild or uncultivated state
    3a: a confusing multitude or mass : an indefinitely great number or quantity, I would not have given it for a wilderness of monkeys— William Shakespeare
    b: a bewildering situation
    Definition of bewildering
    : extremely confusing or difficult to understand
    Explaining Rev. 12, WTJWorg says that a woman gave birth to a son, and that son is the Kingdom that was born in 1914, as JW's believes.
    3) But the Kingdom is/are also the anointed (and not just Jesus Christ as King) who continued to live in the “wilderness”. How is that possible? Where is the Kingdom? In the heaven? In the desert? In WTJWorg? In the hearts of believers?
    4) Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. - Rev 12:17 The Bible says that a "woman" gave birth to only one son, and that is the Kingdom, according to WTJWorg interpretation. Because "women" is/are all anointed. The "woman" did not give birth to anointed ones. They (anointed) are the Kingdom, they are Anointed who gave birth to son aka Kingdom.  Who else did the "woman" give birth to and how? 
     
    THE BIBLE SAYS:
    What is God’s Kingdom?
    It is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/gods-kingdom-what-is-it/
    According to the WTJWorg interpretation, Kingdom was established in 1914 and Christ began to rule as King in 1914. However, this is questionable because He cannot rule alone. He needs (literal number in JW religion) 144,000 kings and priests. Since the JW's believe that thousands of anointed are still on Earth, this means that the Kingdom could not have been born in 1914, nor could it have begun to rule in 1914. The Kingdom does not have a complete Administration to be a legal and legitimate authority. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Reading the biblical passages, commentaries, and teachings of WTJWorg, I come to further questions.
    WTJWorg claims that the anointed (remaining of the literal number 144,000) are in their Organization. The Bible claims that the anointed flee from Satan and seek salvation in the "wilderness", because God has found refuge there, for her.
    But on the other hand WTJWorg and JW claim and believe they are in a “spiritual paradise”. So then I ask; 1) How did the symbolic “desert” (place of salvation) become a literal “spiritual paradise” (place of salvation like Noah’s ark) !?
    2) Is WTJWorg a “desert” or a “paradise”? Because there is a “woman” there, that is, there are supposedly all the anointed ones.
    What is “desert” in biblical terminology? What does that word mean according to dictionaries? For example, the dictionary ( Merriam Webster) says this for that word:
    1a(1): a tract or region uncultivated and uninhabited by human beings
    (2): an area essentially undisturbed by human activity together with its naturally developed life community
    b: an empty or pathless area or region in remote wildernesses of space groups of nebulae are found— G. W. Gray †1960
    c: a part of a garden devoted to wild growth
    2 obsolete : wild or uncultivated state
    3a: a confusing multitude or mass : an indefinitely great number or quantity, I would not have given it for a wilderness of monkeys— William Shakespeare
    b: a bewildering situation
    Definition of bewildering
    : extremely confusing or difficult to understand
    Explaining Rev. 12, WTJWorg says that a woman gave birth to a son, and that son is the Kingdom that was born in 1914, as JW's believes.
    3) But the Kingdom is/are also the anointed (and not just Jesus Christ as King) who continued to live in the “wilderness”. How is that possible? Where is the Kingdom? In the heaven? In the desert? In WTJWorg? In the hearts of believers?
    4) Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. - Rev 12:17 The Bible says that a "woman" gave birth to only one son, and that is the Kingdom, according to WTJWorg interpretation. Because "women" is/are all anointed. The "woman" did not give birth to anointed ones. They (anointed) are the Kingdom, they are Anointed who gave birth to son aka Kingdom.  Who else did the "woman" give birth to and how? 
     
    THE BIBLE SAYS:
    What is God’s Kingdom?
    It is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/gods-kingdom-what-is-it/
    According to the WTJWorg interpretation, Kingdom was established in 1914 and Christ began to rule as King in 1914. However, this is questionable because He cannot rule alone. He needs (literal number in JW religion) 144,000 kings and priests. Since the JW's believe that thousands of anointed are still on Earth, this means that the Kingdom could not have been born in 1914, nor could it have begun to rule in 1914. The Kingdom does not have a complete Administration to be a legal and legitimate authority. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Reading the biblical passages, commentaries, and teachings of WTJWorg, I come to further questions.
    WTJWorg claims that the anointed (remaining of the literal number 144,000) are in their Organization. The Bible claims that the anointed flee from Satan and seek salvation in the "wilderness", because God has found refuge there, for her.
    But on the other hand WTJWorg and JW claim and believe they are in a “spiritual paradise”. So then I ask; 1) How did the symbolic “desert” (place of salvation) become a literal “spiritual paradise” (place of salvation like Noah’s ark) !?
    2) Is WTJWorg a “desert” or a “paradise”? Because there is a “woman” there, that is, there are supposedly all the anointed ones.
    What is “desert” in biblical terminology? What does that word mean according to dictionaries? For example, the dictionary ( Merriam Webster) says this for that word:
    1a(1): a tract or region uncultivated and uninhabited by human beings
    (2): an area essentially undisturbed by human activity together with its naturally developed life community
    b: an empty or pathless area or region in remote wildernesses of space groups of nebulae are found— G. W. Gray †1960
    c: a part of a garden devoted to wild growth
    2 obsolete : wild or uncultivated state
    3a: a confusing multitude or mass : an indefinitely great number or quantity, I would not have given it for a wilderness of monkeys— William Shakespeare
    b: a bewildering situation
    Definition of bewildering
    : extremely confusing or difficult to understand
    Explaining Rev. 12, WTJWorg says that a woman gave birth to a son, and that son is the Kingdom that was born in 1914, as JW's believes.
    3) But the Kingdom is/are also the anointed (and not just Jesus Christ as King) who continued to live in the “wilderness”. How is that possible? Where is the Kingdom? In the heaven? In the desert? In WTJWorg? In the hearts of believers?
    4) Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus. - Rev 12:17 The Bible says that a "woman" gave birth to only one son, and that is the Kingdom, according to WTJWorg interpretation. Because "women" is/are all anointed. The "woman" did not give birth to anointed ones. They (anointed) are the Kingdom, they are Anointed who gave birth to son aka Kingdom.  Who else did the "woman" give birth to and how? 
     
    THE BIBLE SAYS:
    What is God’s Kingdom?
    It is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. - https://www.jw.org/ase/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/gods-kingdom-what-is-it/
    According to the WTJWorg interpretation, Kingdom was established in 1914 and Christ began to rule as King in 1914. However, this is questionable because He cannot rule alone. He needs (literal number in JW religion) 144,000 kings and priests. Since the JW's believe that thousands of anointed are still on Earth, this means that the Kingdom could not have been born in 1914, nor could it have begun to rule in 1914. The Kingdom does not have a complete Administration to be a legal and legitimate authority. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    You raise extremely valid questions.
    There is no cleaning that organization. As Srecko pointed out Job 14:4 “Who can bring out clean from unclean? No one!”
    The disgusting thing standing in the holy place is the same entity as the man of lawlessness sitting in the temple.
    “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing (2 Thess 2:4- Man of Lawlessness) that causes desolation (Dan 12:11) as spoken about by Daniel the prophet (Dan 11:31), standing in a holy place (1 Cor 3:16 - The Temple), (let the reader use discernment),” - Mt 24:15
    When you discern it, Jesus told us to flee. 
    “then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.” Mt 24:16
    This is why the woman/anointed body of Christ flees to the wilderness.
    “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God and where they would feed her for 1,260 days” Rev 12:6
    Gotta flee Babylon The Great (Rev 18:4).
    I can’t speak for others, but I believe the anointed are inside the JW organization because there comes a time when certain individuals “advanced over the whole earth [door knocking, proclaiming Luke 21:8] and encircled the camp of the holy ones”.
    9 And they advanced over the whole earth and encircled the camp of the holy ones/anointed and the beloved city. But fire came down out of heaven and consumed them.” Rev 20:7-9
    I believe Gog and Ma’gog aren’t political entities, but rather a religious organization that goes door to door. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Where does the temple lay right now?
    It's in the organization of jw's.
    When Jesus comes back the man of lawlessness will be presently sitting in the temple, not sitting in the temple of anointed almost 2000 years ago. He sits in the temple of today, right at this moment. That is when Jesus exposes him and destroys him. It's at his coming. 
    "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming." 2 Thessalonians 2:8
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Like the Days of Noah...   
    Um, I think this might be what @Arauna calls 'lumping scriptures together'.
    And I think Mr Rambo is clutching at straws here. He's still stuck fast to 1914 and the 120 years = 2034. 
    This seems to have already happened to JWs in Russia and a few other places.  
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Kick_Faceinator in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    The gentile times are 42 months and happen in the lords day, not 2520 years prior.
    “By inspiration I came to be in the Lord’s day, and I heard behind me a strong voice like that of a trumpet” Revelation 1:10
    That’s when John saw Jerusalem being trampled for a symbolic 42 months:
    “But as for the courtyard that is outside the temple sanctuary, leave it out and do not measure it, because it has been given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city [the anointed] underfoot for 42 months” Revelation 11:2
    The apostles asked when will these things actually be: “Then they questioned him, saying: “Teacher, when will these things actually be [future tense], and what will be the sign when these things are to occur?” Luke 21:7
    Jesus was informing his apostles that all these things will happen during the Lords day/Jesus presence/parousia. 
    One of the signs of Jesus presence is that Jerusalem/the anointed are being trampled…
    “They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be [future tense] trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled [gentile times are 42 months].” Luke 21:24. This is harmonious with Revelation 11:2.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    This excellent explanation give so strong and irrefragable argument against GB unreasonable ideas of how people today cannot be inspired by HS. GB’s silly replacement of the thesis that they are “guided” by the spirit is nothing more than an attempt to justify every nonsense they teach people while remaining in positions of power and authority, they and their elders. I believe that for HS there is no obstacle to “filling the heart” of every individual to whom the Father shows love, whether he/she belongs to a "large or a small flock".
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Kick_Faceinator in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    This excellent explanation give so strong and irrefragable argument against GB unreasonable ideas of how people today cannot be inspired by HS. GB’s silly replacement of the thesis that they are “guided” by the spirit is nothing more than an attempt to justify every nonsense they teach people while remaining in positions of power and authority, they and their elders. I believe that for HS there is no obstacle to “filling the heart” of every individual to whom the Father shows love, whether he/she belongs to a "large or a small flock".
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Well, we know that the ancient physical temples were sacred because they signified the presence of God among His people. But more than that, He allowed His Spirit to “fill the Temple” as we see in Solomon’s dedication of the temple he built. (2Chron 5:13,14)   His Spirit also filled the early moveable tabernacle, and He dwelt with His people.  (Exod 25:8)
    It is the same with the anointed as God’s Temple.  Individually, they are the temple, since their heart is the home/ dwelling of God’s Spirit. (John 14:17; 1 Cor 3:16; Rom 8:9,11) But, as “living stones” they also together, are part of and represent the entire Temple. (1 Pet 2:Eph 2:22; Heb 3:6)
    In the Kingdom of God, His Spirit will “dwell” with mankind again, but through the anointed/Bride and Jesus Christ.  The symbolic "144,000" can be compared to mobile tabernacles carrying the Spirit and knowledge of God; but joined together, they are “New Jerusalem/Zion/Temple of God with Jesus Christ.   (Rev 22:3; 7:15)
    Elders will not be representing New Jerusalem on earth.  They represent an earthly organization, not the Temple of God.  This organization will not exist in the Kingdom. (Isa 43:21,10; 1 Pet 2:5,10)   It will be the anointed  - a “new creation”, both spirit and human, who with Jesus their “husband”,  will bring the Spirit and knowledge from God, to earth. (1 Cor 5:17; Gen 28:12; John 1:51) (John 16:28; Heb 1:6) (Mal 2:7; Rev 5:9,10; Heb 1:14; Rev 22:17)   
     Didn’t Jesus do just that when on earth?  He brought the Spirit of God and wisdom of His word, to mankind.  He will do that again in the Kingdom. 
    I also saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband.
    3 I heard a loud voice from the throne say,
    “See, the tent of God is among humans!
        He will make his home with them,
            and they will be his people.
    God himself will be with them,
        and he will be their God. “
     
    I.“tent” -
    “tent, tabernacle,
    of that well known movable temple of God after the pattern of which the temple at Jerusalem was built
     
    I don’t know if this helps with the connection, but as an example…there are over 60 power poles that must be replaced between where we live and the next small village because of the forest fire that just occurred.   Upon seeing employees working on the lines, one could easily say, the power company is here.  The individual workers represent the power company, but also are part of the entire power company.  Through their presence we can conceptualize the power company as a whole.  If they have the power company’s logo on their shirt, well then, we may say they are the power company. 
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    But didn't the harvest start whilst Jesus was on Earth. 
    Matthew 9 : 37 - 38
    Berean Study Bible
    Then He said to His disciples, “The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few.
    Berean Study Bible
    Ask the Lord of the harvest, therefore, to send out workers into His harvest.”
    Could there be two harvests ? One for the Anointed, and one for the 'little dogs' / earthly class. 
    Jesus said, recorded at John 10 : 16
    Berean Study Bible
    I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Well it seems that sin is inherited through men. Jesus was born of a woman, Mary, but did not inherit her sins. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Watch Tower Ups Pressure on YouTube & Facebook To Hand Over Infringers’ Details   
    Reading WTJWorg interpretations and even some biblical passages about Adam and Eve, one might come to the conclusion that Eve was quite unprepared for the challenges she was faced with. If it were true that Eve was intellectually and spiritually "immature" or "less mature" than Adam, then the question is why she should have been punished with the same measure as Adam who, just because he is a man/male, should have known what was going on in his family, and not to leave Eve alone to talk to the serpent. So the question is; Where was he and what was Adam doing while Eve was talking to the serpent and reaping the fruit? By the way women, female in general, were treated, in OT, NT and in WTJWorg today, then really all the blame for everything in the world is only on men.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Vice TV’s ‘Vice Versa’ doc on Jehovah’s Witnesses set to premiere this month   
    https://realscreen.com/2021/07/16/vice-tvs-vice-versa-doc-on-jehovahs-witnesses-set-to-premiere-this-month/
    Cable network Vice TV announced a new documentary special on Jehovah’s Witnesses that’s set to air later this month on July 28.
    Vice Versa: Crusaders examines the global religious organization, its carefully curated message of faith and its nearly unblemished public veneer, and investigates alleged corruption within the organization and its work to shame, silence and ostracize others.
    Kaufman is himself a former third-generation Jehovah’s Witness who faced shunning from his family after starting a four-year investigation into the religion’s handling of allegations of child sexual abuse within its congregations.
    “After witnessing firsthand the cycle of abuse that runs deep within the Jehovah’s Witnesses, I could not rest until the dark truth of this organization was brought to light,” Kaufman said in a Vice news release. “Vice Versa: Crusaders exposes those who use their immense power and influence to maintain control in the name of God.”
    The documentary includes revealing interviews with whistleblowers, former members and one current witness, as well as access to leaked documents.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    As soon as I saw this on the 21st, I wrote a response that disappeared just as I was about to "Submit Reply." I figured that it was probably a bad sign that my computer touchpad was jumping the cursor all over the place, but it was probably a good sign that I shouldn't keep writing 3 page responses to a simple question. So I didn't try to rewrite it, and went on to other things.
    To my surprise, I came back here today and see that @Witness gave nearly the exact response that I had written. I even gave that response of hers an upvote, and I even agree with much that is in the second response she gave right after it.
    (Luke 3:21, 22) . . .Now when all the people were baptized, Jesus too was baptized. As he was praying, the heaven was opened up, 22 and the holy spirit in bodily form like a dove came down upon him, and a voice came out of heaven: “You are my Son, the beloved; I have approved you.” (Luke 4:1) . . .Then Jesus, full of holy spirit, turned away from the Jordan, and he was led about by the spirit in the wilderness (Luke 4:17, 18) . . .So the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him, and he opened the scroll and found the place where it was written: 18 “Jehovah’s spirit is upon me, because he anointed me to declare good news to the poor.. . . Then I had added a few additional verses, starting with:
    (Acts 10:37, 38) . . .starting from Galʹi·lee after the baptism that John preached: 38 about Jesus who was from Nazʹa·reth, how God anointed him with holy spirit and power, and he went through the land doing good and healing . . .
    (Hebrews 1:5-9) . . .For example, to which one of the angels did God ever say: “You are my son; today I have become your father”? And again: “I will become his father, and he will become my son”? . . . 8 But about the Son, he says: “God is your throne forever and ever, and the scepter of your Kingdom is the scepter of uprightness. 9 You loved righteousness, and you hated lawlessness. That is why God, your God, anointed you with the oil of exultation more than your companions.”
    Along with this, to help explain the context in Hebrews, I had added that the expression "You are my son, today I have become your father," was a formulaic expression for the anointing of kings like David and Solomon. This is clearly how Hebrews 1 is using it with the idea of the throne and scepter and the obeisance and "his Kingdom" -- "that is why . . . God anointed" him. 
    @Witness had gone directly to Psalm 45:7 which Hebrews quotes from and then used some of the same additional scriptures about the anointing of kings.
    @Witness went a little further on this point and added the priests to the equation and therefore tied in later scriptures in Hebrews (and Revelation, etc.) about how the kingdom is also a priesthood, which I had not thought to mention. But Hebrews happens to tie the priestly appointing (anointing) as part of the same event when Jehovah said at Jesus' baptism: "You are my son, today..."
    (Hebrews 5:1-6) . . .For every high priest taken from among men is appointed in their behalf over the things relating to God, so that he may offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. . . . . 4 A man does not take this honor of his own accord, but he receives it only when he is called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 So, too, the Christ did not glorify himself by becoming a high priest, but was glorified by the One who said to him: “You are my son; today I have become your father.” 6 As he also says in another place, “You are a priest forever in the manner of Mel·chizʹe·dek.”
    Also, you will notice that the article @Anna posted from the Aid book contains several of the same points that Witness made.
    The one point I take some exception too, @Patiently waiting for Truth, is that you have made more of the specific timing as if it is the most important thing to get out of this. And you may have "summoned" my take on this because you know that I will agree that it indicates the Kingdom did not start in 1914. I agree that it doesn't. But this doesn't mean we need to focus on exactly when Jesus was appointed as King or Priest, or when the Kingdom started, or when he was "King-Designate." Recall that David was anointed (by Samuel) before he became King, and that he was hailed as King by his early followers before he was officially made King after Saul's death.
    Specific timing of appointments and titles is not the importance of scripture to us today. It's the "fact" of Jesus' appointment to the "offices" of king and priest and mediator and his own sacrifice as a ransom payment for sin. Is it wrong to say Jesus was born king? Or what about the prophet Simeon?
    (Matthew 2:2) . . .“Where is the one born king of the Jews? . . .
    (Luke 2:25-32) . . .And look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simʹe·on, and this man was righteous and devout, waiting for Israel’s consolation, and holy spirit was upon him. 26 Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah. 27 Under the power of the spirit, he now came into the temple, and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for him according to the customary practice of the Law, 28 he took the child into his arms and praised God and said: 29 “Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go in peace according to your declaration, 30 because my eyes have seen your means of salvation 31 that you have prepared in the sight of all the peoples, 32 a light for removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.”
    I'll fall back on the argument that even if Jesus wasn't yet officially "anointed" ("Christ") at birth, he was designated ("appointed") to this purpose and this meant it was as good as accomplished for those who have faith in the fulfillment of Jehovah's purpose.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Then Pilate said to him, “So then you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I have come into the world: in order that I can testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.”   John 18:38
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Churches Are Being Burned Down In Canada   
    https://welovetrump.com/2021/07/02/churches-are-being-burned-down-in-canada/#:~:text= St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri,on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.
    Not JW related, but related to abuse and death of many children it would seem.  Hopefully all of those children will rise again in the Resurrection once this Earth has been made clean. 
     
    In the last nine days there has been a total of eight churches that have been burned down in Canada. All eight of the churches were settled on the First Nation’s reserve in Western Canada and authorities have declared that the fires were caused by “suspicious activity”. St. Jean Baptiste Parish and the Kateri Tekakwitha Church were the latest churches to be burned down and were completely destroyed due to the fact the churches were made of wood.
    The fires come after unmarked graves have been discovered on church run residential graves all throughout Canada.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in The truth about Jesus' Resurrection   
    Indeed only Almighty God through Jesus Christ can be trusted. 
     
    But all the while the Watchtower / JW org are dealing in Property /  Real Estate and building their 'temples' of Warwick and Ramapo. They have taken over ownership of ALL Kingdom Halls so that congregations own nothing.  
    Oh and something I thought was funny. The GB seem to be 'chasing' some guy because he is making LEGO stop motion videos, about a pretend JW town. The Watchtower lawyers cannot find out the real name of the video maker so can't sue him, but they  are still trying   The Watchtower love to sue people in 'worldly' court rooms it seems, buy they hate to pay out compensation to victims of CSA.  So yes, don't trust organizations 'that make money in this system'.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    Exactly.  I just had a few more thoughts
    At the anointing of God's priests, they become the “dwelling” of God’s Spirit:
    1 Cor 3:16 - Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?
    That sounds similar to your scripture in Luke17:21, doesn’t it? 
     “nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[a]
    [a] –   “is within you”
    Jesus was talking not only to those disciples who would enter into the covenant with him, but this message was for the future, for the arrival of the Kingdom.  Because the anointed are part of the Temple, (1 Pet 2:5,9) under the New Covenant, New Jerusalem (Gal 4:26) – the Kingdom/dwelling of God is within their hearts. 
    KJV 1 Cor 3:16 –“ Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    So, what do we see God’s holy people looking for, while in the Wt?  They are looking for literal signs of the birth of the Kingdom. But, Jesus is specifically saying the coming of the kingdom “is not something that can be observed”.  THEY, God’s saints, are the kingdom, as Jesus is, but they are falling for lies.  Only if they remove themselves from this trap of “empty philosophy”, will God’s spirit continue to dwell in their hearts.(Luke 21:20; Matt 24:3,24,25,4,5,9-11,13,21; Dan 12:1,4; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10; 16:13-16; 20:7-9)  
    They must wake up and submit fully to Jesus Christ, in repentance, (Mal 3:1-4) and get out from under the rule of a wicked slave and “uncircumcised” “Gentiles”.  (Isa 52:1; Dan 8:11,12,17; Matt 24:15,16,48-51; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1,2; 13:5-7; 3:16;18:4-8; 1 Pet 2:6; Rev 3:17,18) 
    The battle of Armageddon takes place within each one of us, not on the playground of Satan. It involves our choice of either truth or lies. 
    (John 8:44; 2 Cor 4:4; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 16:13-16)
     (Isa 43:8,9; Dan 7:22; Matt 25:9,10; 1 Cor 11:18,19; Mal 3:18; Matt 7:20) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+43%3A8%2C9%3B+Dan+7%3A22%3B+Matt+25%3A9%2C10%3B+1+Cor+11%3A18%2C19%3B+Mal+3%3A18%3B+Matt+7%3A20&version=NIV
    So you see, people are saying, and have been saying for quite awhile, that the kingdom is within the hearts of the anointed priests of God.  Luke 17:21  
     
    https://pearl-sign.blogspot.com/
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Was Jesus Anointed at His baptism ?   
    All faithful, obedient believers in Christ who desire to know truth are led by the Holy Spirit, and most definitely Jesus had God’s Spirit guiding him since his birth.  But, the pouring out and being filled with Holy Spirit is the opening up of wisdom/truth/knowledge (God’s word) from heaven.  (1 John 2:27 )  Being “filled” with spirit is an anointing. I believe it was at that time (Luke 3:21,22) that Jesus then knew the extent of the path he had to take while on the earth. 
    As you say, the next chapter in Luke continues after his baptism by saying,
    “Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, left the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness, 2 where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.
    After that time of testing…
    “Jesus *returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.”
    He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
    18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
        because he has anointed me
        to proclaim good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
        and recovery of sight for the blind,
    to set the oppressed free,
    19     to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”   Luke 4  (Isa 61:1)
    Ps 45:7 - You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
        therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
        by anointing you with the oil of joy.
    Acts 10:37,38 - “You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, *beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.” 
    His “anointing” at his water baptism, was a fulfilment of prophesy.  The literal anointing of oil in the early days of the nation’s kings, signified that that person was chosen to reign as king. (1 Sam 9:16; 15:1; 2 Sam 12:7; 1 Kings 19:15…) Also the priesthood was anointed as signifying that God had chosen those under the lineage of Aaron to be a priest. (Num 25:10-13; 3:10; Lev 10:8-11; Mal 2:7) That lineage has continued spiritually through all the anointed priests/kings since Christ.   (Exod 29:1,7; 2 Cor 1:21,22; Rev 5:9,10)
    Jesus, is both our High Priest and our King.  (Heb 4:14,15; John 1:49; Rev 17:14)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    “The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.”  - wt 2017
    No one needs to prove that. This fact is not refuted even by GB. And they alone explained why they are wrong, in quote above. :))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Arauna in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    Really logical from you !  That explains a lot!
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    So the Watchtower/GB/JW Org will always be wrong by basing everything on 1914. 
    And again they will be wrong because their agenda is to gain and keep power for themselves and their big businesses and real estate. 
    Even Bro Rando seems to have an agenda about predicting a new date for the Judgement Time. 
    Most JWs want the 'end to come' because they think they are 'safe' inside the Org. That alone is an agenda. 
    But then we probably ALL have personal agendas. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to xero in Interesting thought about the initial rebellion   
    Some things are straightforward, but other things are a matter of interpretation. The thing that gets me is when someone acts like they have it all figured out. Nope.
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