Srecko Sostar

I really don't enjoy responding to your flammable messages, but you have just put your foot in your mouth, by aiding in validating JW idolatry.  
This is the dedication made during JW baptism ceremony, which is IDOLATRY:
“Do you understand that your baptism identifies you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with Jehovah’s organization?”
Is this organization the path of salvation?  Is it so sacred that it requires acknowledgement of your identity and dedication?  Your Wt quote says one should dedicate their lives to God.  Looks like their is a confusing issue here.  Why is it necessary to mention the organization during baptism? Does the idol need to be acknowledged?   This isn't what Jesus decreed.  
We can let another Wt quote, clear it up:
"As Christians, we face up to similar challenges today. We cannot take part in any modern version of idolatry—be it worshipful gestures toward an image or symbol or the imputing of salvation to a person or an organization." wt/90/11/1
 
What did Jesus say to do? What were his words?   Matt 28:19,20
If one follows what Christ commanded, they are not the ones blaspheming against God's Holy Spirit.    

So why doesn't the Org baptise people properly then ? In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus gave instruction. 
And actually it is dedication you make to God not baptism. 

.... you want to overextend the premise to mean something out of context
What is over-expanded here? The discussion is about “individual and collective conscience”. In what individual and collective environment, state of moral, ethics, upbringing and guidance of the individual did the future king grow? 
So, does a man become bad "overnight"? Or is it a process? If Manasseh has been exposed to corrupt people since his birth, yes, then it is possible that at the age of 12 he too was like his “teachers”. There is ambiguity in the biblical text which in two opening verses establishes two facts and connects them in a strange way (the child becomes king and that king is bad). The text does not establish that the child is bad, but that the king is bad. Who is the king? It is the child 12 years old. 
But for our discussion is irrelevant, does my opinion about that unknown details for king is possible or not.  Important for the discussion are elements such as; what conscience the 12-year-old king had, how and why his conscience developed in a negative direction. How other people contributed to this in his childhood and youth and in the later period of his life, etc.
How many ex-JWs became drug addicts, drunkards, thieves, idolaters, etc. after leaving WTJWorg? So, what kind of claims do you want to make here? And how do you want (if you want) to compare Manasseh and ex-JW?

That if you aspire to be part of ‘massive building projects’, because “yes, building is a legacy of God’s people” (from the video explaining the making of Nehemiah), then you are serving "Jehovah" in a righteous manner?  And if a JW aspires to do these things, he (particularly) may find himself at the top of the hierarchy, where he can join the eight others to live out their building dreams – the work of their hands?
Kenneth Cook Jr., an enigma when it comes to his anointing, is the latest to make the cut!  These examples of aspirations are much more important than to speak truth – also a mysterious enigma that comes and goes with the wind. 
"House of Jacob,
come and let’s walk in the Lord’s light.
6 For you have abandoned your people,
the house of Jacob,
because they are full of divination from the East
and of fortune-tellers like the Philistines.
They are in league with foreigners.  (“Gentile” elder body ruling over the anointed Temple members 2 Thess 3,4)
7 Their land is full of silver and gold,
and there is no limit to their treasures;
their land is full of horses,
and there is no limit to their chariots.
8 Their land is full of worthless idols;
they worship the work of their hands,
what their fingers have made.
9 So humanity is brought low,
and each person is humbled.
Do not forgive them!
10 Go into the rocks
and hide in the dust
from the terror of the Lord
and from his majestic splendor.
11 The pride of mankind will be humbled,
and human loftiness will be brought low;
the Lord alone will be exalted on that day.  Isa 2:7-11
This is from Isa chapter 2, where it states that the “law” will go out from Zion; where people will stream to God’s Temple. (Isa 2:2,3;27:12,13)  That Temple is built with “living stones” of faithful ones of “Jacob”, of “Israel”. (1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17)  Yet, as we see fulfilled in this prophesy for our day, the major House of Jacob is reveling in the work of their hands. (Rom 1:25; Rev 13:4) 
“Israel, even if your people were as numerous as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will return. Destruction has been decreed; justice overflows.”  Isa 10:22
“ Then the kings of the earth, (Rev 1:5) the nobles, the generals, the rich, the powerful, and every slave and free person hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the one seated on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17 because the great day of their wrath has come! And who is able to stand?” Rev 6:15-17
The “mountains” and the “rocks”:  the anointed are “living stones” of Mt Zion; the “Gentile” elders and prominent leaders are “rocks”/exalted ”mountains”/rulers of a “mountain-like organization”.  (Rev 8:8; Zech 4:6,7
 
Sorry, got carried away, but you are right on. 
 
YHVH's Genuine Mountain
 

Exactly, you have to think of it like I do when I see the 'Victims of Child Sexual Abuse'.  It doesn't matter if JW Org is 'mostly peaceful'  when you or your children have been sexually abused by a JW Elder or M/S.  On the whole, JW Org is a failure.

Of course, nothing speaks concretely in favor of that idea. But it also says nothing about him being good from the beginning of his reign and then becoming bad. In fact, on the contrary, it seems he was bad almost "all" or bigger part of his life, and then he repented and was given the grace to live for a little more and rule Judas. It is obvious that, as in many other cases, children and people are influenced by those around them. This largely determines how they will live.
CC said: He did what the LORD considered to be evil, following the despicable practices of the nations whom the LORD had expelled in full view of the people of Israel.
He explained in this sentence, how little king boy followed despicable practices of other people (nations) but i would say, also of own people and older inside own nation, family, elders, friends etc (A. Morris statement about apostates aka ex-JW).
In that sense i try to connect CC quote about 2 Kings 21. What teachings and practice and example GB members bring to JW members and JW children? 

Wow I've been missing some fun here then. But we all know the GB backed down at the last minute because they would have lost the charity status that it has. 

Manasseh was twelve years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem fifty-five years. His mother’s name was Hephzibah.  He did evil in the eyes of the Lord, following the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites. 
Verse suggests he was bad (evil) already with 12 years of age. At what age does someone become "despicable" (fake) JW or ex-JW ? :)) 

I will use @Witness quote of A. Morris wording: “Despicable apostates" – “their finally gonna be gone, all these despicable enemies that have just reproached Jehovah’s name, destroyed; never ever to live again”.
What principle and what/whose faith you have to imitate, showed in A. Morris practice?

Could the term, “useful idiot”, be used for people who are convinced that they “have the truth” that is taught exclusively in WTJWorg, and that their religious leaders are the only ones who tell them the “truth” and can be trusted indefinitely?

Manasseh was twelve years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem fifty-five years. His mother’s name was Hephzibah.  He did evil in the eyes of the Lord, following the detestable practices of the nations the Lord had driven out before the Israelites. 
Verse suggests he was bad (evil) already with 12 years of age. At what age does someone become "despicable" (fake) JW or ex-JW ? :)) 

I will use @Witness quote of A. Morris wording: “Despicable apostates" – “their finally gonna be gone, all these despicable enemies that have just reproached Jehovah’s name, destroyed; never ever to live again”.
What principle and what/whose faith you have to imitate, showed in A. Morris practice?

What is your suggestion about problem; How to explain to individual who is in delusion he/she is in error?
 

Hypothetical question: Do God’s people sin (make errors) more when they are disorganized or when they are organized?
The second hypothetical question: If all these various customs and dogmas and interpretations and religious traditions that had (was part of) various “assemblies of God” through the past, became questionable and rejected in WTJWorg today, what is the problem?
God, according to the idea presented by you and WTJWorg, has always had an "organization," but every real or imagined "organization" has never had a complete and accurate "truth." No “organization” has had “truth” in the past, and it does not exist today according to what is seen in any religion, including WTJWorg.
What can be concluded is that religious “truth” exists only for a while and that is while it is supported by religious leaders and believers. After a while these same or some other people change their “understanding of the truth” and (people) are always in a state of religious “error”.
It is fortunate for JW people that God repeatedly accepts every delusion that occurs in "his organization."
How long, how much longer, will it go like this?

Well you, seems to me, agree, how GB in 1941 were not been "guided by spirit" but by own jargon, slang of that time. And JW members fell under GB slang influence, instead HS influence.
Subject is: Who is to blame for misinformation?
Don't forget. @Witness made update. 
.............WTJWorg made updates (with new optional "dates" for Armageddon). :))
 

Well you, seems to me, agree, how GB in 1941 were not been "guided by spirit" but by own jargon, slang of that time. And JW members fell under GB slang influence, instead HS influence.
Subject is: Who is to blame for misinformation?
Don't forget. @Witness made update. 
.............WTJWorg made updates (with new optional "dates" for Armageddon). :))
 

Well you, seems to me, agree, how GB in 1941 were not been "guided by spirit" but by own jargon, slang of that time. And JW members fell under GB slang influence, instead HS influence.
Subject is: Who is to blame for misinformation?
Don't forget. @Witness made update. 
.............WTJWorg made updates (with new optional "dates" for Armageddon). :))
 

I "reposted" WTJWorg lies about 1941. Who are you going to blame? Me or WTJWorg Company?
Cartons of Children that had been deposited in The Arena were now opened, and Judge Rutherford instructed the children how to come and each get a copy thereof, those in the rear half of The Arena marching in two columns out through a side exit, and those in the front half of The Arena marching up over the platform and out through a rear exit. As the march began, the orchestra (minus all its children instrumentalists) struck up and rendered songs, "Children of the Heavenly King," "The Sword of the Lord and of Gideon," and "Who Is on the Lord's Side'" while the vast audience sang. Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioners, on a contribution.    Wt, September 15 Page 288

Just another thought.  Did the Wt. retract their "news" (hogwash) about God sending a typhoon to Micronesia?  I haven't seen a retraction as of yet. 

@TrueTomHarley, If you'll remember at the outset, I said:
If I was weaselly, I would not have brought the correction to this forum that the Australian made, as soon as I saw it.
These words, I will always stand by:
And:
Mark 4:14 - "For whatever is hidden is meant to be disclosed, and whatever is concealed is meant to be brought out into the open."
For you, is it more important that article turned out to be wrong than the whole reason that the Wt dragged its feet before joining the redress scheme?  Were you quiet when you learned that the WT caved at the last minute simply because they would lose money otherwise? Did you write about it?  Did you make excuses for them?  The victims do not matter.  
News, truly it is not always trustworthy.  Much like the news from Micronesia a while back, in need of sand to build a kingdom hall.  Next thing you know, God sends a typhoon and lo and behold...sand in abundance!   But, your god must be fickle, since another typhoon took the lives of JWs who took refuge in a kingdom hall in the Philippines.  
Perhaps if you write about it, you can make sense of the contradiction.  Just maybe, you will spot the false news, now that more news about typhoons and kingdom halls, has emerged.  

I "reposted" WTJWorg lies about 1941. Who are you going to blame? Me or WTJWorg Company?
Cartons of Children that had been deposited in The Arena were now opened, and Judge Rutherford instructed the children how to come and each get a copy thereof, those in the rear half of The Arena marching in two columns out through a side exit, and those in the front half of The Arena marching up over the platform and out through a rear exit. As the march began, the orchestra (minus all its children instrumentalists) struck up and rendered songs, "Children of the Heavenly King," "The Sword of the Lord and of Gideon," and "Who Is on the Lord's Side'" while the vast audience sang. Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioners, on a contribution.    Wt, September 15 Page 288

I "reposted" WTJWorg lies about 1941. Who are you going to blame? Me or WTJWorg Company?
Cartons of Children that had been deposited in The Arena were now opened, and Judge Rutherford instructed the children how to come and each get a copy thereof, those in the rear half of The Arena marching in two columns out through a side exit, and those in the front half of The Arena marching up over the platform and out through a rear exit. As the march began, the orchestra (minus all its children instrumentalists) struck up and rendered songs, "Children of the Heavenly King," "The Sword of the Lord and of Gideon," and "Who Is on the Lord's Side'" while the vast audience sang. Never was there a more moving Sight in these "last days". Many, including strong men, wept at the demonstration. Receiving the gift, the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided Instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon. What a gift I and to so many! The manner of releasing the new book Children was an outnght surprise to all, but the almighty hand of the All-wise One, Jehovah, was in it, and the maneuver was most blessed indeed. Thereafter Children, the author's edition, was disposed of to adult conventioners, on a contribution.    Wt, September 15 Page 288

UPDATE!
 
Correction from The Australian to yesterday’s story suggesting ACNC had withdrawn Watchtower’s charity status. This was false. (Article behind paywall, but someone sent me the content below)
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/search-results
   CORRECTION: If any readers understood an earlier version of this article as suggesting the ACNC had withdrawn Watchtower’s charitable status, The Australian withdraws that suggestion. The Jehovah’s Witnesses say they have resolved legal action with Australia’s charity watchdog. after it threatened to revoke their tax-exempt status in November last year. Watchtower ­director Terry O’Brien said the Australian Charities and Not-for-profits Commission confirmed on April 14 that they would not be revoking the organisation’s charity status and that the matter had been closed. Mr O’Brien said The Australian’s suggestion that the ACNC had revoked their charitable status was false.
 
SEE CONVERSATION HERE:   
 

Anyone can make a court case and still lie, still cover their sins.  See the video.
Firstly, if the Wt is hiding pertinent information, and it is found out, would the treatment doled out on them, be unfair?  Wt fights tooth and nail, whether they are right or wrong.       
1 Cor 6:7 - Actually, if you are bringing lawsuits against each other, it is already a defeat for you. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated?
 
 

I didn't write the heading.  I provided the link where you can find it.