Srecko Sostar

I know I'm the last person you want hear from again, but I hope you just reason on a few things.  
You are saying that everyone who abandons the organization are deceived, while everyone who remains in the organization; and listens to doctrine that out of necessity, must be changed…calling it “new light”…are not deceived.  Does this make sense to you?  Were you never deceived into believing in a doctrine, that eventually was replaced? Of course, all JWs have experienced this. Do you remember what D. Splane said about the locusts in Joel?  The man obviously had to cover over for the inability of past leaders to read Joel’s account.  In 2020, the GB have finally found out that the locusts came against Israel – and not that Israel WERE the locusts.  How many years did it take one of your insightful leaders to read that entire book, and find out otherwise?
To continually refer to Moses and King David by comparing these men to the GB is ignorance.  It’s like a plague among JWs.   These were prophetic, inspired men.  Is there any comparison of their trials, their sufferings, their accomplishments, to the GB?  What trials do these men face?  What to have for breakfast? What sort of ornate sewer cover should be used on the grounds at Warwick?    Didn’t the faithful ancient messengers of God, uphold the Word of God, even if they made a mistake?  Didn’t they feel incredibly guilty for their mistakes?  When was the last time the GB said, “I’m sorry.  I am guilty of misleading Your people, Heavenly Father, by teaching fabrications from my own mind”.  (Jer 23:16) But...that is the organization's history!  All of their false prophesies, their failed doctrine had no source in the Holy Spirit.  While, on the other hand, Moses, David, Jonah, were all led by Holy Spirit.  Has the GB ever announced to JWs, “we are so sorry for misleading you with LIES”.  (Isa 44:20,24,25)  No, they give you excuses, like the barking dog story.  I doubt that Jesus Christ will accept that excuse when he returns.  Matt 12:37
Yes, you are right, in that there are many who fall victim to deceit when leaving the Wt., but the deception is greatest inside the walls that are continually patched, repeatedly whitewashed, made “new”…only with one underlying reason, to deceive the “elect” and to keep them help captive to “philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ.”  (Col 2:8; Matt 24:23-27)
What are the elements of the world?  Everything that has to do with the earthly organization.  
The bulk of the anointed “elect” are not found outside the Wt., but reside with all JWs, as a camp surrounded by demonic expressions.  (Rev 16:13-16; 20:7-10)
Just for a moment, look at the definition of “deceit”:
 “the act of causing someone to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid : the act or practice of deceiving : deception achieving one's goals through a web of deceit.”
Then, picture the Awake magazine with the physical generation of 1914 who have since, all died. They were deceived. It cannot be denied.    Which deception is greater, telling thousands of people that they will not die before Armageddon comes, or telling someone that they should believe in the trinity?
As far as unity, many religions, "Christian" and  pagan, are highly skilled at unifying its members.  It is nothing new. 
https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/87861-exclusive-devotion/?tab=comments#comment-148084 
This is what the Lord God says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing. 4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You did not go up to the gaps or restore the wall around the house of Israel so that it might stand in battle on the day of the Lord. 6 They saw false visions and their divinations were a lie. They claimed, “This is the Lord’s declaration,” when the Lord did not send them, yet they wait for the fulfillment of their message. 7 Didn’t you see a false vision and speak a lying divination when you proclaimed, “This is the Lord’s declaration,” even though I had not spoken?  Ezek chapter 13
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He USES faulty sinful men..men who make serious errors. ......there are no different people (in any sphere of life) on Earth than the ones you described. By this, He can use not only faulty sinful JW but also faulty sinful Catholic, Mormons, Adventist, politician, etc
In second part of your thought, are you suggesting that everything that is wrong in the Organization is actually inseparable part of God’s Plan ? Or, that because of the constant appearance of all that is wrong in the Organization, God's plan must be changed and adjusted over and over again?
Well, by that we could also say that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in Eden was a kind of sifting. However, there this tree was not only grew by accident, but was placed with the intent rather than by mere "allowing". 
With this thoughts, we can be closer to idea how JHVH participating in "guiding apostates sites" to "correct"  WTJWorg ? :))
 

JW TV have just enough "fine" examples of hate speech by "top" elders of Organization.

Yes, and ...?? What do you have with that "disgruntled" witnesses ? They have their reasons for be such. And we will not argue their reasons, but we can about yours, if you agree.  
Perhaps some Betel elders have "task" to collect information about participants on this forum club and then give report to BOE. I know they doing that, because elders from Zagreb Betel (also elders in ex congregation) followed my Google+ in 2015, looking for "incriminate material". :))

He USES faulty sinful men..men who make serious errors. ......there are no different people (in any sphere of life) on Earth than the ones you described. By this, He can use not only faulty sinful JW but also faulty sinful Catholic, Mormons, Adventist, politician, etc
In second part of your thought, are you suggesting that everything that is wrong in the Organization is actually inseparable part of God’s Plan ? Or, that because of the constant appearance of all that is wrong in the Organization, God's plan must be changed and adjusted over and over again?
Well, by that we could also say that the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil in Eden was a kind of sifting. However, there this tree was not only grew by accident, but was placed with the intent rather than by mere "allowing". 
With this thoughts, we can be closer to idea how JHVH participating in "guiding apostates sites" to "correct"  WTJWorg ? :))
 

JW TV have just enough "fine" examples of hate speech by "top" elders of Organization.

We can and should discover the truth about ourselves all our lives. And it is a process that exists, no matter how much we participate in it or not. The more we participate in it, through various small and big events, the different truths become recognizable. These truths to a greater or lesser extent, sometimes imperceptibly and sometimes drastically, correct or redirect our life path and choices.
You put great importance on YHVH illuminating “personal truths” and "collective truths". ”You say; YHVH defines truth. It is possible so. But how did He define truth when he did not give Adam and Eve      “knowledge to discern good from evil”? Can the truth be defined without knowledge?
But let's leave the situation in Eden in the past, because since leaving Eden people have legally acquired ability to recognize good and evil, and in that knowledge they should continue to gain experience and knowledge at the same time.
Later some written instructions on what is good and what is not good came in. But some things remained unsaid and left to man to judge and choose. Also, some things in the past were regulated by prohibition, and even unregulated, so without prohibition. Today they got a new and different “illumination.” By that, and the truth from the past, it got a new face. To the least, the former truth is not the truth of today’s man, whether it is JW or non-JW.
Perhaps Polygamy? Slavery? Well, there are some past individual and collective truths about that, right?
These things are not called "the truth" today. Maybe, they are called as just written past/history ?
Has it always been the best? Incorrect statement. There were few true representatives even in the Bible, let alone outside the Bible.
 

Each anointed one in the organization should stand up for Jesus Christ and speak truth when they see errors made in teachings, and cruel acts committed.  This is what is called following in Christ's footsteps.  God expects that of them.  God is not going to expect people to sit on their haunches until He fixes the errors. The apostles took Jesus' lead and "fixed" the errors.   Our hearts are judged by our stand for righteousness, or unrighteousness. If we "shrink back" out of fear, where do we stand before God? 
Does God LACK TRUST in JWs?  Are they defending Him, His Truth and His Son?  Or, are they kowtowing to men?  
 

You misunderstood me.  I was only replying to Srecko's comment, in particular.. 
 
Contrary to what you think, the WT is very much bothered by exjws and "opposers".  That's why they send out their sharks, to report back to the wolves about what's happening out there, with both exjws AND JWs.  
If they weren't "bothered", they wouldn't be up in arms about "despicable apostates".  They wouldn't attempt to shut down exjw youtube channels.  
You're really into the lawyer stuff and how necessary it is to guard your "watchtower".   Jesus condemned the lawyers in his day, because of their slanderous misuse and disregard for God's word, which is repeating itself in the organization.  Matt 23:13,15,23
The Wt's "kingdom" is in the world, fighting its worldly battles. 
Jesus' kingdom, is not.  John 18:36
 
 
 
 
 
 

The GB would not bother giving the warning, or forbidding JWs to "go there",  if they didn't have their sharks hunting the waters for them, who then report to the wolves.   Or, maybe in their spare time, in the privacy of their own room, the wolves also visit the forums, and listen to videos.  So, the sharks and the GB are immune to what happens on the forums.  They can thwart any demonic persuasion that they may read, while the rank and file are too ignorant to protect themselves?  
"I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Men will rise up even from your own number and distort the truth to lure the disciples into following them. 31 Therefore be on the alert, remembering that night and day for three years I never stopped warning each one of you with tears."
“lure the disciples into following them”. 
These wolves will not tolerate competition.  They are fierce competitors, disguised as sheep who offer "fruit", that has distorted the truth in Jesus Christ.  Matt 7:15-19 
 
 

Maybe because he gave, mind, ability to think and free will and freedom to choose, to people......and because of  Most truly I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything,+ he will give it to you in my name 

It’s a job for WTJWorg lawyers. No one can forbid the gathering of people on forums that deal, among other things, with JW’s beliefs. What is the difference between an Open and a Closed Club? According to GB, everything is ...  both are .... "illegal". :))

One more thing.  Decades of full-time service are enough to call oneself the “faithful and discreet slave” appointed over God’s household of saints.  Is this correct?  Sheesh.  If that’s all that matters to you, why don’t you just join the Mormon Church?  All of their leaders are “apostles” and there are 12 of them!
You know, in Freemasonry, dedicated service can lead to an "anointing".  And they wear pinky rings also.
Didn't he lie about the child abuse issue?  Yes, he would lie.  Look how easy it is for you to lie.
 

Could you please tell me when I have elaborated on my anointing other than when you grilled me about it?  Can you target any time when I have exalted myself above my brothers and sisters in the organization?  Please, you've done this before and found that you had to take back your words.  
 
That means nothing.  Jesus told us how to detect an anointed sent by him.  Matt 7:15-19; John 15:15
Their "fruit"/teachings are good, never bad...and all of their teachings remain, never discarded.  

To defend @4Jah2me's statement about True Anointed ones, I personally don’t believe every man on the GB are genuinely anointed.
Why don’t you spend some time, if you haven’t already, and listen to Stephen Lett’s wisdom on his video about anointing.  He has no clue what an anointing is. And I believe there are a few more on that body just like him
But, after listening to his speech of lies, you might (or might not) want to read this comment from a genuine anointed one:
 
Wow, the very first two things he says in the first sentence, are false. No scripture says that you must be water baptized by men, before God can anoint you with his spirit. In fact, Acts10 reads; "44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered, 47 “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days." Gentiles were anointed, previous to their water baptism.
 Secondly... Lett states that one must establish oneself as having a faithful course in the eyes of men, previous to their anointing by God. I assume that this "faithful course" is defined by the organization and includes their own standards of behavior (meeting attendance, service hours, proper dress, etc.). Again the scriptures disprove this fallacy. Did Paul establish himself as an exemplary Christian (according to the "watchtower's" criteria), while he traveled from town to town, hunting down and trying to eradicate the sect? Yet while in that spiritual state of mind, Jesus Christ himself chose Paul... not only to be among the 144K, but to be an apostle. Lett's assertions do two things... *insult the power of God to read a heart, and *bestows authority on the organization to interject their own standards into something that is none of their business. They don't get to tell God who He can adopt, and when. Outrageous arrogance!
 There is also no scriptural indication, that the "heavenly calling" is exclusively heavenly, as Lett asserts. For goodness sake... Rev.21:3-4 tells us plainly, that New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven. It states that God's dwelling [his temple made up of the anointed (1Pet.2:5; 1Cor.3:16)] is WITH MANKIND. How can you be an heir of the earth (Gal.3:29; Gen.28:4,13-14), but not be allowed to set foot on it? Lett is locked in a dark closet indeed.
Wow, next, he twists the meaning of 1John2:20. The interlinear Greek makes plain, that in context with verses21 and 27, ...the "knowledge" is a growth in divine truths... Not an awareness that one is anointed. This guy can't open his mouth, without fulfilling Rev.13:11! Wasn't there recently a video about how shameful and taboo it is to inquire about the anointing experience? These guys need to make up their minds.
Great... now I hear him ripping off from things I have written. What's wrong? Are your lamps going out and you need to borrow some oil? So I get Df'd for speaking the truth, but they can take what I got thrown out for, and use it in their talk? Another 12 minutes of video to go. I can't stomach much more. I now have strong personal doubt that Stephen Lett is a genuine anointed.
He makes no mention of the experience of being anointed. While mentioning how powerful God's spirit witness is, he doesn't even touch upon that experience... which he certainly would if he really received it.
The priests and kings in Israel, when anointed, were certainly aware of the event. They could feel the oil being poured upon them. It wasn't something that occurred because they had already been water baptized, or because they were regular in service. The Bible makes clear what the heart feels during an anointing by God's holy spirit... something obviously foreign to Stephen Lett. 
 
 
 

I tend to create piles both in real life and online. Everything is oddly indexed in my head.

If i was a member of any club then found out it was immoral and wicked, then i would resign. It not only makes a statement of objecting to the immorality and wickedness, but it makes a complete break from that club / organisation. I accept that the Watchtower and JW organisations (plural) have given themselves fale authority, much like a dictatorship. 
I prayed to God through Christ before resigning, so my conscience was clear on the matter. 
I was able to tell a few brothers why i was leaving before it was announced from the platform. 
I was able to make a complete break, without pretending to just being 'inactive'.  
I had enough faith in God and Christ to be able to 'loose' the 120 'brothers/sisters' in the congregation without getting upset about it. 
And now, anyone i tell about the immorality and wickedness of the Watchtower / JW orgs, will know that i am not hypocritcal because i left as soon as I had proved to myself the seriouslness of the situation. 
And yes i have made statements online about the things I have learnt through doing my own research and through this forum. 
Of course JWs do not like my faith in God and Christ. JWs do not like my onging confidence in being able to 'survive' without the Org. JWs do not like that I continue to make known the sins of the GB, the Watchtower and the JW Orgs. 
And JWs do not like that i know the difference between serving God, and, serving Men.  And I will contiue to serve God. 

When washing dishes, your 3rd plate falls to the floor and breaks. So you managed to wash the dishes until that one fell out of your hand. The question remains, why did it fall out of hand.
We have all three models: he washed 2 plate, he didn’t wash all other plates, he tried. The attempt/try was partly successful and partly not. :))) 

"Open Club"........."Closed Club" ........"Open Conscience"........"Closed Conscience".........etc.
Is it possible just to speak frankly .... what we think about this and that?

That there should be no literal central place:
1) whence it is dictated how God should be worshiped
2) where "the truth is produced"
3) where to go on pilgrimage

Eden phase: eating only plants
Phase after the Flood: eating meat (animals), no matter which
Law phase: eating only allowed types of meat (animals)
Phase after Jesus: eat what you want, if you want, but watch the conscience of the other
The first phase came naturally, and that is the creative act that determines the choice of food. There is no need for law or conscience to participate in food choices.
The second phase supports the general freedom of food choice, which is determined only by the place where one lives and the availability of animals to be used for food.
The third phase deals with the paragraphs that undo the two previous phases.
The fourth stage introduces a new order and involves conscience. But several thousand years have passed and conscience is determined by social and geographical rules of conduct.
 
 

“Obey those who [a]rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you. “Heb 13:17
[a]rule – “lead”. 
This scripture is a fallback for the organization to expect obedience to the GB and elders.  The apostles led the newly anointed ones especially, in truth.  The point of this leading was to direct them to Jesus Christ.  This, is how they were making disciples for Jesus and the Father.  It had nothing to do with earthly organizational arrangements, and leading people to the organization.  Jesus knew the last remnant of anointed would face such a delusion. He stated to these disciples who were desiring to be greater than another:
“The kings of nations have power over their people, and those in authority call themselves friends of the people. 26 But you’re not going to be that way! Rather, the greatest among you must be like the youngest, and your leader must be like a servant. 27 Who’s the greatest, the person who sits at the table or the servant? Isn’t it really the person who sits at the table? But I’m among you as a servant.”  Luke 22:25-27
Elders, are the “kings” of the nations, as they “represent the royal priesthood of "kings"”, which in reality means they have usurped the dignity of this priesthood. (2 Thess 2:3,4) “Those in authority” over these “kings”, is the GB – “friends of the people”/”benefactors” - who volunteer their time for the 'greater good'.  This is organizational arrangement, but Jesus condemns it.
How powerful, how much impact do Jesus’ words have, against those of men who “rule” and wield discipline under such an arrangement?  Jesus’ words have no impact.  JWs see the elders, the GB, their great accomplishments, and it is to them that obedience and praise is given. 
Anthony Morris: 
“When that direction comes out to Branch committee members, or when it comes out to the congregations; IF you want Jehovah’s blessing on you as an individual or family, certainly as an elder or congregation, it’d be best to ask Jehovah to help you understand it, but obey the decision.”
He continues, “This is a theocracy ruled by God, not a collection of man-made decisions. This is governed from heaven.”
There is no way that God would sanction such actions of men who fabricate their own “theocracy”,  and who admit they are not inspired and never have been. We don’t obey decision that have nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus Christ.  Are the Branch Committee Members inspired where these decrees originate?  Morris was putting his fist down to preserve his dominance over everyone, totally contrary to what Jesus expects of those whom HE sends.  Morris was enforcing “man-made” organizational protocol, with the threat that God will not bless a JW if these various organizational decisions are not followed. 
 Jesus’ teachings, and the teachings of the apostles, - the foundation of the spiritual Temple -  reflected Truth, not prominence of men, and certainly not obedience to a shifting doctrine newly formed, and then overhauled, as if such shifting of false truth is ever received from the Father and Jesus Christ.  James 1:17
 This foundation of Truth that we already have in God’s word, is our touchstone.  If what men say contradicts that touchstone, we are to walk away from them.  Doing this, displays our obedience to Jesus Christ.  
"The man of sin will come with the power of Satan. He will use every kind of power, including miraculous and wonderful signs. But they will be lies. 10 He will use everything that God disapproves of to deceive those who are dying, those who refused to love the truth that would save them. 11 That’s why God will send them a powerful delusion so that they will believe a lie. 12 Then everyone who did not believe the truth, but was delighted with what God disapproves of, will be condemned."  2 Thess 2:9-12
 
 

Matthew 5:22 "....... But I say to you, whoever shall say, ' You fool,' shall be subject to the fire of Gehenna."

They are preaching the good news of the redemption and  restoration of "Jacob"/"Israel", in the same manner that JWs are preaching presently.  I doubt the GB will now say, stay away from the internet -  from social forums - when they have made the choice to reach the remotest parts of the earth, via internet.  
"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed in the whole inhabited earth (God's "land" - Ps 132:7; Isa 66:1; 1 Cor 3:9)   for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come."  Matt 24:14
"When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes."  Matt 10:23
Not the nation of Israel, but the spiritual nation of "Israel" today.  They are, God's "inhabited earth".  (1 Pet 2:5,9,10)
"Leave Babylon, flee from the Chaldeans! Declare with a shout of joy, proclaim this, let it go out to the end of the earth; announce, "The LORD has redeemed his servant Jacob!"  Isa 48:20
Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’[b] - Jer 51:45
    so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
    and God has remembered her crimes.
6 Give back to her as she has given;
    pay her back double for what she has done.
    Pour her a double portion from her own cup.
7 Give her as much torment and grief
    as the glory and luxury she gave herself.
In her heart she boasts,
    ‘I sit enthroned as queen.
I am not a widow;
    I will never mourn.’
8 Therefore in one day her plagues will overtake her:
    death, mourning and famine.
She will be consumed by fire,
    for mighty is the Lord God who judges her."  Rev 18:4-8
Jer 51:45 - “Come out of her, my people!
    Run for your lives!
    Run from the fierce anger of the Lord."
 
 
 

That there should be no literal central place:
1) whence it is dictated how God should be worshiped
2) where "the truth is produced"
3) where to go on pilgrimage