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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Xero:  I'm trying to find a way to formulate, by way of illustration or otherwise (the shorter the explanation the better), the dividing line between conscience and scriptural responsibility and actively being told by authority that some non-obvious thing is true and that one must believe the non-obvious thing is true and teach someone else in the same manner that this non-obvious thing is true.
    dividing line between conscience and scriptural responsibility
    For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves - Rom 2 14
    Gentiles don't have "Law", don't have "Knowledge", don't have WTJWorg "moral and standard".....but have "Natural driving forces" to act in a way as God accepts. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in Conscience individual and collective   
    LOL. That's what happened to me when I first heard this one as a kid and there was no Internet. These days I would rack my brain for only an hour at most and then just Google "two trolls" for the answer.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    Gentile parents teach their gentile children about own morals and standards, with or without "Christian" ethics. And they, parents and children, decide in mutual interactions what sort of conscience they will have and grow. How do you explain, where is the place/position and influence of "nature" spoken in Romans 2:14 in that process? And how do you explain that Romans 2:14 speaking in favour, very positive about them, gentile people, in comparison to Roman congregation to which Paul directed those chapters?  
    Verse 15 continue with:
    They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.
    Which and whose requirements was written on their hearts? When and how? Because their parents was "gentile" distanced(??) from "Christian" moral, standards and ethics.
    I agree with some of your thoughts how there are unknown and invisible processes around all this. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    Matthew 28 : 18 & 19. 
     Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19  Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, 
    It was a straightforward command from Jesus himself.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    BUT, you have just mentioned that all so called Christian religions use this same idea.  So are you telling Catholics to to be obedient to the Pope ? How would you JWs get new recruits if everyone was obedient to the ones taking the lead in their religions ?  No one would listen to you because they would be being obedient to their vicar or priest etc.. .  
    However, firstly the scriptures are for the Anointed ones, secondly the scriptures do not apply to false religions. Otherwise that scripture would take away a person's own conscience. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    In the definition of what conscience is, it is said that one of the abilities / purposes of conscience is to distinguish good from bad.
    If I understood your statement well, you claim that conscience arose AFTER the sin of the first humans. A new act of God’s creativity after He created everything and start to REST from creation, is the creation of conscience in DNA?? Is it this what you talking about?
    Then we have more dilemmas about First Pair, Sin, Tree of Knowledge etc. Before sin, according to your statement, Adam and Eve had no conscious. Then this would means that they could not discern what is good and what is evil. To eat or not to eat The Fruit.
    We all agree that people need to have conscience ( as some comments gave picture, that would be - individual, collective or/and individual-collective conscience to be able doing right things). By your  presented scenario, there is no existence of individual conscience and there is not collective conscience too, in Eden. What Adam and Eve had? 
    Furthermore, the biblical text in Genesis also says that God said after they ate the Fruit from the Tree: "Now people have become like us and know what is good and what is evil". 
    This suggest, also, how this couple had any (no) knowledge about good and evil (or about anything, about many thing else too??)
    Conclusion? Adam and Eve had no Conscience ... and had no Knowledge about good and bad?
    Can somebody explain why would God put them (or You) on test without Conscience? Why would God put them (or You) on test without Knowledge?
    According to Genesis, we could conclude that Adam and Eve done wrong decision because they were "without knowledge." And because they refuse to obey direct command from God.
    By this, it could mean how people don't need "Knowledge" and don't need "Conscience". But only to obey ban about the Tree.
    After all, the Bible elsewhere speaks to just that aspect and says that Israel "perished because they were without knowledge."
    The text of the Bible does not speak (openly or not at all) about the competition between conscience and knowledge. To act properly we need both tools: conscience and knowledge. And then other things; faith, love, courage etc. In example of old Israel lack of knowledge caused their ruin.
    What sort of "knowledge" trains individual and collective conscience in WTJWorg?? 
    What sort of "obedience" substitutes conscience and knowledge in WTJWorg??
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Anna in Conscience individual and collective   
    There are three of us, so it can't be wrong. Every testimony that is said by two or three witnesses is "the truth". :))) 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    There are three of us, so it can't be wrong. Every testimony that is said by two or three witnesses is "the truth". :))) 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JW Insider in Conscience individual and collective   
    There are three of us, so it can't be wrong. Every testimony that is said by two or three witnesses is "the truth". :))) 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Musing on prayer   
    So, you are applying this to praying to,  and worshipping Jesus Christ?
    Rev 5:6-14
    Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits[a] of God sent out into all the earth. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. 8 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. 9 And they sang a new song, saying:
    “You are worthy to take the scroll
        and to open its seals,
    because you were slain,
        and with your blood you purchased for God
        persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
    10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
        and they will reign on the earth.”
    11 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. 12 In a loud voice they were saying:
    “Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
        to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
        and honor and glory and praise!”
    13 Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
    “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
        be praise and honor and glory and power,
    for ever and ever!”
    14 The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
     
    Both the Father and the Son are “worshiped” in this passage. But I suppose in your mind you may be thinking that the falling down was only toward the Lamb, and the worship was given only to the Father. 
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in Conscience individual and collective   
    I appreciated your take on the questions you raised. I have heard ex-Witnesses claim that there is no such thing as a collective conscience or an organizational conscience, and that all of us are therefore completely on our own when we stand individually before the judgment seat. I agree with the Bible statement that we stand alone for judgment, but you have made an excellent point about how all of us will develop morality based on what has been passed down to us and what we get (or even choose to get) from our various environments. But we all have opportunities for further conforming our environment by choosing association with those who will prod us and encourage us in the direction of an ever clearer Bible-trained conscience.
    No one can argue that there isn't already a collective conscience that waits for us to absorb it, much of it subconsciously I suspect. But if we accept that, then we should have no problem "artificially" maneuvering our environment to strengthen our conscience. And, of course, many of us have found the environment of the brotherhood of Witnesses to be perfectly suited to the needs of our conscience.
    I also agree with Srecko, that to some extent we will probably accept some decisions made by a "collective" conscience that will be seem artificial to us.
    (2 Timothy 3:1-5) . . .But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be . . .3 having no natural affection, . . .
    Our conscience tells us that we can't turn our back on the physical and psychological needs of family members who might be disfellowshipped. This is a case, as Srecko says, where our own "natural affection" might say we must do one thing, but the collective environment of our congregation tells us to do something else. Perhaps it will not always be right for everyone to respond in exactly the same way the "collective" conscience tells us to. After all:
    (James 4:17) 17 Therefore, if someone knows how to do what is right and yet does not do it, it is a sin for him.
    But without the additional training of conscience from the congregation, would we even have stopped to think about the application of Jesus' words about how he came to put a sword on the earth?
    (Matthew 10:34-36) . . .Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.
    There will be some tension between the two extremes on this topic, but I think that's a good part of what a conscience is for.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Musing on prayer   
    bow down, do homage, adore, worship, fall on knees - to anyone entitled
    Pope is entitled, King and President are entitled, Caesar is entitled ...etc. King can present not only secular but spiritual (religious) authority. Elizabeth II is a monarch who heads the Church of England. Would a JW member bow (in any of possible form) to this Queen? She is entitled, because of Romans 13! Pope is entitled because of same verses.
    To what extent of understanding, about what is “worship” and what is not, will someone go?
    JW members are forbidden, by GB decree, to paint walls in some non-JW church. Is that sort of worship? Is that supporting "false religion"? Being part of UN and OSCE and sitting with religious leaders of various churches, done by GB, is it not showing "support" for secular and religious things -  and sort of bow down, do homage, adore, worship, fall on knees .... if we stretch the terms a little to degree of famous painting church walls?
    Problem of understanding exist, of course, but WTJWorg contributing to that confuse too.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in IICSA: survivors speak of influence of religion   
    I don't like it when people are banned.
    I especially don't like that they lose the continuity of the good points and arguments that they have been making. When a person loses their temper or says something that sounds threatening, they aren't really hurting anyone, in my opinion. I think it's appropriate to publicly criticize and even remove certain types of abusive content like spamming, porn, gore, bullying against specific groups/individuals, overt racism, and deliberately threatening or inflammatory content -- but not to completely ban individuals who merely lose their temper or use harsh words. We should be adults here. We can expect some harsh words here and there. There are very few "child-safe" places on the Internet.
    And on a religiously charged forum, we should also realize that "attacks" on our views are not usually meant personally. If Allen Smith attacked my views, he might have appeared to be attacking me, but I present myself almost anonymously here. So what does it really mean to attack me personally? I certainly don't feel it that way. I'm sure the intent is to attack the views themselves, and usually with the full backing of the Watchtower's current views. This is easily understood. I also see it as a means of him trying to warn others who might be influenced by evidence that goes against the Watchtower's current views on certain specific topics. This means that he may very well be a Witness, but just very frustrated at the difficulty in mounting counter-evidence. Different people will handle that situation in their own way. Frustration for some means cursing and threatening, name-calling and judging. For others it will present as child-like tantrums. For some it will be grasping at straws or non-sensible counter-arguments. And for some, they will very seriously study the issue and find real counter-arguments.
    So, the various types of responses can actually say something about the strength of the original arguments and evidence, and even the cursing and the tantrums and the name-calling will often inadvertently speak to the validity of the original evidence. In these cases, especially, it's much better to keep all those uncomfortable words and exchanges on the forum. Along with negative responses to them. The same effort it takes for an admin/moderator to evaluate someone's words as supposedly worthy of banning, is about the same amount of work it takes to merely flag the questionable comment and write up a quick explanation of why the forum owners/admins/moderators don't like the comment.
    Banning removes the entire continuation of argument/evidence and counter-argument/counter-evidence. I still don't like banning anyone. I haven't seen anyone here whose posts rose to that level. For my own comfort level, there have been a few curse-words I would have "asterisked" (mostly from another Alan) but that can be usually be set automatically in software.
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Anna in Musing on prayer   
    It only means one thing: You have overcome prejudice.
    I adore you.
    adore = to love and respect someone very much, or to like something very much - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/adore
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from César Chávez in Conscience individual and collective   
    If you want to hear my opinion.  
    There are two types of conscience. First is Natural conscience (in biblical terminology) given by God. It is obtained by birth and inherited by genetics that began with Adam  and Eve. After birth, a child or in another situation an adult, comes under the influence of family, environment, society and their own choices.
    Second is Artificial conscience. For example, JW members have two types of conscience. The first one, natural, from God. The second type of conscience is called in the WTJWorg publication; "Bible-trained conscience." It is an artificially created conscience based on religious-ideological interpretations and doctrines. It has some positive aspects, but not always. For example, not greeting a former member of the Organization creates a certain conflict in the JW member. There is a conflict between two types of conscience: between the Natural Conscience given by God and the Artificially Created Conscience trained in the Organization.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Conscience individual and collective   
    If you want to hear my opinion.  
    There are two types of conscience. First is Natural conscience (in biblical terminology) given by God. It is obtained by birth and inherited by genetics that began with Adam  and Eve. After birth, a child or in another situation an adult, comes under the influence of family, environment, society and their own choices.
    Second is Artificial conscience. For example, JW members have two types of conscience. The first one, natural, from God. The second type of conscience is called in the WTJWorg publication; "Bible-trained conscience." It is an artificially created conscience based on religious-ideological interpretations and doctrines. It has some positive aspects, but not always. For example, not greeting a former member of the Organization creates a certain conflict in the JW member. There is a conflict between two types of conscience: between the Natural Conscience given by God and the Artificially Created Conscience trained in the Organization.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JW Insider in Musing on prayer   
    bow down, do homage, adore, worship, fall on knees - to anyone entitled
    Pope is entitled, King and President are entitled, Caesar is entitled ...etc. King can present not only secular but spiritual (religious) authority. Elizabeth II is a monarch who heads the Church of England. Would a JW member bow (in any of possible form) to this Queen? She is entitled, because of Romans 13! Pope is entitled because of same verses.
    To what extent of understanding, about what is “worship” and what is not, will someone go?
    JW members are forbidden, by GB decree, to paint walls in some non-JW church. Is that sort of worship? Is that supporting "false religion"? Being part of UN and OSCE and sitting with religious leaders of various churches, done by GB, is it not showing "support" for secular and religious things -  and sort of bow down, do homage, adore, worship, fall on knees .... if we stretch the terms a little to degree of famous painting church walls?
    Problem of understanding exist, of course, but WTJWorg contributing to that confuse too.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Musing on prayer   
    Who was involved in the conversation?  Everyone?
    Who does Jesus worship?  He worships the Father.
    Does Satan worship God?  No. Satan wanted Jesus to worship him.  
    What did Jesus remind Satan about worship?  
    No one else but the two of them, was in the conversation.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Musing on prayer   
    God’s Word is Truth.  It provides the Way to life.
    As the Logos, the messenger of God’s Word, Jesus is the Truth, the Way, and the Life.  No one comes to the Father except through him.  John 14:6  We've heard this many times.
    And yet, there is more.
    “The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.”  Col 1:15,16 
    If we happened to know a person who was a walking “encyclopedia”, who knew the answers to all of our questions, we would frequently seek him out.   This would fit the case of Solomon.
    1 Kings 4:29-34 -
    God gave Solomon wisdom and very great insight, and a breadth of understanding as measureless as the sand on the seashore. 30 Solomon’s wisdom was greater than the wisdom of all the people of the East, and greater than all the wisdom of Egypt. 31 He was wiser than anyone else, including Ethan the Ezrahite—wiser than Heman, Kalkol and Darda, the sons of Mahol. And his fame spread to all the surrounding nations. 32 He spoke three thousand proverbs and his songs numbered a thousand and five. 33 He spoke about plant life, from the cedar of Lebanon to the hyssop that grows out of walls. He also spoke about animals and birds, reptiles and fish. 34 From all nations people came to listen to Solomon’s wisdom, sent by all the kings of the world, who had heard of his wisdom.
    One mortal man was given such wisdom.  The depth of who Jesus is, and his wisdom seems impossible for us to fathom, but he wants us to learn this wisdom, directly from him.  And then we have the Wt, who created a gap between reaching out to him and his wisdom, with the decision that less emphasis was to be given to Jesus, and more emphasis on “Jehovah”.   This gap has grown over the years.  Another gap was created between the anointed and their relationship with Jesus, which is daunting for them to face.  They allow the power of physical men to rule over that relationship, which really isn’t a relationship at all.  Reaching out to their Savior personally, reaching out to the members of his body, comes with a cost of losing the life they know as JWs. (Matt 10:39)  It can only be a setup by the evil one.  No one should regulate how we worship the Father and the Son.     
    Preventing ourselves from praying, speaking to Jesus, limits also our relationship with the Father. (Rom 8:38,39)
    If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well.  John 14:7
    John 21:25  -  “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”
    Pearl commented on this once:
    “When I read that verse, I reflect upon the reality that Jesus was the Tree of Life in Eden.  He was the wellspring that reflected the mind of God.  He said, “All that the Father has, is mine”.  I’m sure that alluded to Jesus having a limitless resource of truth.  His depiction of having hair, white as snow, reflects his wisdom.  Imagine the required intelligence needed, to create everything in the physical realm…various biospheres, internal organs, the propagation and reproduction of living things, our consciousness, the microbiology of the soil.  It’s endless.  Jesus is the source of wisdom for mankind.  We ourselves cannot grasp the Father.  But Jesus comes from the Father’s bosom.  Isa 40:13 asks, Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”  But we have the mind of Christ” (1 Cor 2:16)  It is the words of Jesus that can instruct the human mind in divine truth.  I think that John was commenting on his experience with Jesus…that every word from him, reflected his great wisdom.  Johns saw that the wisdom of Jesus, was boundless.  Any attempt to record all that Jesus knew, “the world could not contain the books that would written”.
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Musing on prayer   
    In continue John chapter 14, verse 15 say:  If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    We have; ME and MY.
    Love ME.
    Keep MY commandments.
    When answering the question of the greatest commandment, he began with: Love God (JHVH nwt) and ended with Love Neighbor.
    Who was Jesus on Earth, to disciple? Neighbor? I don't think so. But for sure he was; God, Son of God, Lord, Master, King etc?
    In this verse he not directed people to LOVE JHVH. In this verse he not directed people to KEEP commandments of JHVH. He directed people to himself. Interesting.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Musing on prayer   
    I know I’m very passionate about this, but if I return to what @xero started with…
    "I ask him and talk to him on the basis of Jesus and his office as high priest and king, however if prayer is respectful speech to God, then what is respectful speech to Jesus? Am I not supposed to talk to him? All authority is given him in heaven and on earth by Jehovah, so recently I've been feeling that I'm treating Jesus like a simple messenger and go-between, which he certainly IS as a mediator, but not at all simple. But am I not allowed to talk to him? Is he not my Lord and Savior? "
    …I can detect that the organization’s teachings about Christ and who he is, have little depth.  Xero perceives something is missing.  I hear JWs refer to the “ransom” more than they refer to Jesus Christ.  The “ruler of this world” will do everything possible to limit the perception of Jesus, and prevent one from approaching him in prayer; especially among those who are part of his Body. (Matt 24:24)  We have to remember that this is war, between “seeds”.  Gen 3:15
    “For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 
    21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 
    22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 
    23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.  John 5:20-23
    The word, “honor” has this meaning:
    τιμάω timáō, tim-ah'-o; from G5093; to prize, i.e. fix a valuation upon; by implication, to revere:—honour, value.
    Definition of “revere” -
    : to show devoted deferential honor to : regard as worthy of great honor
    Synonyms: “adore, deify, glorify, reverence, venerate, worship” 
    John 10:30 – “I and the Father are one”.
    The same honor, is to be given to the Father and to his Son, the  "Everlasting Father" of the Kingdom's children. (Isa 9:6)  The Son glorifies the Father, and the Father glorifies the Son.   
    “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."  John 17:1-5
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Musing on prayer   
    "And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me  for anything in my name, and I will do it."  John 14:13,14  NIV
    Do you have a copy of the Wt. Greek Kingdom Interlinear?  This attachment is from the 1969 edition, and notice how the word, "me" is removed from the English rendering on the right for John 14:14.  
    Today's NWT also omits the word "me" - "If you ask anything in my name, I will do it."
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Musing on prayer   
    We were all meant to understand the word of God. If that wasn’t the case, we wouldn’t recognize truth.   Yes, the anointed are to be the teachers that bring living water they have received from the spirit of the Father and Christ, to those who crave it.  The same living water fills each heart.   (Mal 2:7; John 4:14; 7:38+)
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mal+2%3A7%3B+John+4%3A14%3B+7%3A38%3B+John13%3A20%3B+Matt.10%3A14%3B+Luke+10%3A16%3B+1Cor.4%3A1%3B+2Cor.5%3A20%3B+Col.1%3A20%3B+Mal.2%3A7%3B+Rev.1%3A6%3B+5%3A10%3B+Zech.8%3A23%3B+Rev.21%3A3%3B+Micah4%3A2%3B+Rev.14%3A1&version=CSB
    You have already been blessed by Holy Spirit.  Without it, you would not perceive the peril that the anointed face in the organization.  You recognize that the elder body have replaced God’s priesthood.   The elders “stand where they do not belong”, in the Temple/dwelling of God. (Mark 13:14; 1 Cor 3:16; Rev 11:2; Dan 7:25; 8:10,13; 11:36; 2 Thess 2:4; Luke 21:24; Rev 13:10,7)
    Could we perceive this on our own, without the blessing of our eyes being opened? (Isa 35:5; Acts 26:17,18) This blindness was prophesied to occur during the last days. (Isa 6:10; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10,11,12,14; 2:20)  You have reacted appropriately to the sins and hypocrisy that you witness in the organization, and have left – you have exited the apostate “city”. (Rev 18:4-8) You look for the “mountains/hills” of Judea where the “true anointed” will be found.  (Matt 24:15,16)
    I know you have noticed that most JWs here, cannot see the grave circumstances that exist among the anointed and themselves in the organization.  Instead, there is mocking, a turning of the head, and complacency when it is addressed.  Why? Their eyes are sealed over. (John 12:40; 2 Cor 11:13-15; Rev 16:13-16) They are drinking “Wormwood’s” (fallen anointed) poisoned waters, and not those from Christ, although they believe they are. (Heb 12:15; Rev 8:10,11; Jude 1:12,13) They have accepted the life they want, even though they are “always learning but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.”  (1 Thess 5:3; 2 Tim 3:7; 4:1)   When we put a stop to drinking in those lies, and begin our search by praying for authentic truth, the veil is lifted from our spiritual eyes.  (Rev 3:18-20)
    Here are just a few scriptures that apply to those not anointed, and to all:
    John 11:25,26 - Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live.  Everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe this? ”  John 11:25,26
    Heb 6:10 - “For God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you demonstrated for his name by serving the saints -- and by continuing to serve them.”
    1 Cor 1:2 – “To the church of God at Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called as saints, with all those in every place who call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord -- both their Lord and ours.”
    Matt 25:37-40 - “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and take you in, or without clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick, or in prison, and visit you?’
    40 “And the King will answer them, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
    "The Spirit is the one who gives life. The flesh doesn't help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.”
    Rev 22:17“Both the Spirit and the bride say, "Come! " Let anyone who hears, say, "Come! " Let the one who is thirsty come. Let the one who desires take the water of life freely.”
    “Then he told his servants, 'The banquet is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 "Go then to where the roads exit the city and invite everyone you find to the banquet.' 10 "So those servants went out on the roads and gathered everyone they found, both evil and good. The wedding banquet was filled with guests.”
    This banquet is the revealing of truth, the unfolding of Revelation which you are already beginning to perceive through the blessing of Holy Spirit. (Ps 119:130; Dan 8:26; 12:4)  The true "faithful" anointed do not arrive with bells and whistles as the GB have, with their army of elders; but in time, the “mountain” of truth will become more prominent, and the mountain of lies will become level ground.  Zech 4:1-14
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Musing on prayer   
    Thank you.  This appears to be a NWT, which I personally cannot trust.   If the anointed Body of Christ is trampled in the organization, so is Jesus Christ, their Head.   Dan 8:25
    I find it helpful to get a broader view of what is being said.  Here’s a link for many translations, just for 2 Cor 12:9
    https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/2 Corinthians 12:9  
    Consider this, the anointed are part of Christ.  They are the members of his spiritual Body.  He is the Head.   With a physical body, all members are controlled by the head, the mind.  No?  How, can the anointed operate without consulting their Head?  They must meet his approval, they must ask for direction.  They are his future “wife”. 
    If we were beheaded we would die. If we were to ignore what our head/mind tells us, we would become a vegetable.
    This, is what I see happening with the anointed in the organization.  They are disconnected from their Head and rely on men to guide them, who prohibited from them connecting in prayer, with their Head, Jesus Christ.
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Musing on prayer   
    That is true.  But isn’t it quite remarkable what GB has done!  They have put themselves in the limelight, and express the need to trust them!  Look what they have accomplished and built.  And of course, the decrees they pass down must be obeyed. 
    I am being flippant, because the description you give of an anointed one does not fit the “anointed” leadership of the organization who glorify themselves before cameras, and before God.  Who have proclaimed that they will be with Christ before the final judgment has arrived.  Men, who expects obedience to their errors.
     “Brothers and sisters, consider what you were when God called you to be Christians. Not many of you were wise from a human point of view. You were not in powerful positions or in the upper social classes. 27 But God chose what the world considers nonsense to put wise people to shame. God chose what the world considers weak to put what is strong to shame. 28 God chose what the world considers ordinary and what it despises—what it considers to be nothing—in order to destroy what it considers to be something. 29 As a result, no one can brag in God’s presence. 30 You are partners with Christ Jesus because of God. Jesus has become our wisdom sent from God, our approval, our holiness, and our ransom from sin. 31 As Scripture says, “Whoever brags must brag about what the Lord has done.” 1 Cor 1:26-31
    These men, won’t last.  Rev 17:12,13,15-18
     
     
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