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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in GRAND JURY INVESTIGATORS ARE 'DEAD SERIOUS'   
    Grand jury investigators are ‘dead serious’ about revealing sexual abuse cover-ups among Jehovah’s Witnesses
    by David Gambacorta, Updated: February 14, 2020- 5:00 AM           TIM TAI / FILE PHOTOGRAPH Brian Chase listened carefully from his Tucson, Ariz., home last July as an investigator from the Pennsylvania Attorney General’s Office introduced himself over the phone.
    After some idle chitchat, the investigator asked: Was Chase familiar with the office’s 2018 grand jury report, which showed that priests had sexually abused thousands of children at six Roman Catholic dioceses in Pennsylvania?
    “Just what was in the papers,” Chase responded, “and what I saw on Facebook.”
    The investigator explained that the AG’s office was now working on a similar state inquiry, this time focused on the Jehovah’s Witnesses. But the agency was unsure of the scope of sexual abuse within the often-misunderstood religion, which was founded in Pittsburgh in the 1870s.
    Chase, 52, had been raised a Jehovah’s Witness in Corry, a small town in Erie County. In the 1980s, when he was a teenager, Chase said he was drugged and raped by a man who belonged to his congregation. Decades would pass before Chase understood that their stories were common within Witness communities across the country, but rarely reported to police.
    “The scope,” Chase told the AG’s office official, “is pretty big.”
    The existence of a Pennsylvania grand jury investigation into the Witnesses’s handling of child sex abuse cases — the first of its kind in the country — was only disclosed a week ago, in a story by USA Today, which was met with a no comment from Attorney General Josh Shapiro.
    But The Inquirer this week interviewed five ex-Witnesses who have already testified for the grand jury, including Chase, and their recollections paint a portrait of an investigation focused on shattering the wall of silence that has long surrounded the religion’s reclusive leaders, and unearthing secretly-maintained records about suspected pedophiles.
    Investigators have traveled to several states as part of the grand jury probe, and recorded testimony from former elders — the Witnesses’s equivalent of parish priests — as well as abuse survivors.
    “I can tell you firsthand, I’ve been up to the grand jury a couple of times now, and I’m testifying next week,” said Jeffrey Fritz, a Philadelphia attorney who represents Chase and his wife, as well as several other ex-Witnesses.
    “They are dead serious about going after [the Witnesses’ leaders] in any way they can, similar to the Catholic Church.”
    TIM TAI / FILE PHOTOGRAPH Jeffrey Fritz, an attorney with the Center City-based law firm Soloff & Zervanos, represents multiple ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have testified in front of a Pennsylvania grand jury within the last year. Such a declaration would have seemed unthinkable for much of the past two decades, which saw a muted law enforcement response to ex-Witnesses who described in the pages of court documents horrific sexual assaults they suffered as minors, and the religion’s ongoing efforts to hide their accounts from the public.
    Sarah Brooks is another of Fritz’s clients; when she alerted her parents in the early 2000s to the fact that she was being abused as a teenager by a family friend and a relative, she was publicly shamed by an elder at her York County kingdom hall, and then shunned by other Witnesses. She twice reported the assaults to police, and her abusers were ultimately arrested in 2013, and pleaded guilty to corruption of a minor.
    Brooks, now 32, testified before the grand jury in Harrisburg last year.
    Investigators asked her to explain the Witnesses’s inner hierarchy, the system of elders and overseers who ultimately take direction from members of a small governing body whose orders must be closely followed by the religion’s 8 million followers, which number more than 7,000 in Philadelphia.
    At least three grand jury witnesses said investigators want to question governing body members, who work out of the organization’s sprawling headquarters in Tuxedo Park, N.Y., where they relocated several years ago, after selling their former Brooklyn headquarters for more than $1 billion to a real estate company run at the time by Jared Kushner, President President Trump’s son-in-law.
    “I am completely ecstatic," Brooks said. "It’s all I can do to not skip everywhere. I just feel like after all of the numerous people I’ve gone to, I finally have gotten to a point in my life where someone is listening.”
          JESSICA GRIFFIN / FILE PHOTOGRAPH Sarah Brooks testified before the grand jury about the sexual abuse she suffered as a teenager in Pennsylvania at the hands of a family friend and a relative. She first shared her story with The Inquirer in 2018. Martin Haugh, a former Witness elder whose 4-year-old daughter was molested inside a Red Lion, York County, kingdom hall in 2005, was so relieved to have testified before the grand jury that he recently tweeted a photo of the subpoena he received beforehand.
    “They are so close to you, the jurors,” he said. “When I was talking to the investigator about what happened to my daughter, one [juror] dropped his pencil. I heard a couple of gasps.”
    Haugh’s daughter had been abused by an adopted relative, John Logan Haugh, who was finally arrested in 2018, after another elder read an Inquirer investigation that detailed the case, and then shared the man’s whereabouts with police.
    Martin Haugh, 42, said investigators were particularly interested in discussing how elders compile child abuse records, and the direction they receive from the religion’s lawyers.
    “We need the FBI to break down their doors,” he said.
    Mark O’Donnell, a former Witness who has twice testified in front of the grand jury, told The Inquirer he spoke last year to an elder who had been alerted to an instance of three children who were being sexually abused by their father.
    The elder told O’Donnell, 52, he had contacted the Witnesses’s legal department, which advised that he shouldn’t share the information with police. The same department later instructed the man to destroy handwritten notes he had taken about the conversation.
      “He became so distraught that he resigned,” said O’Donnell, who has spent years collecting and publishing documents about abuse cases that the Witnesses never reported to police.
    Pennsylvania investigators traveled to meet that former elder in Missouri, and later flew him to Harrisburg to testify.
    O’Donnell’s second appearance in front of the grand jury centered on Witness documents, some of which date back to the 1980s, that have been leaked by whistleblowers, and show how Witness leaders instructed their underlings to stymie law enforcement inquiries and withhold information about suspected pedophiles from unsuspecting congregations.
    The religion has faced increased scrutiny in recent years, from a 2018 episode of an A & E series, “Cults and Extreme Belief," to a story in The Atlantic last year that focused on O’Donnell’s efforts, and a recent Oxygen documentary, “The Witnesses,” which highlights ongoing reporting from Trey Bundy, a reporter at Reveal, from The Center for Investigative Reporting.
    For years, many ex-Witnesses had little choice but to grapple with their trauma silently. Survivors eventually began forming communities on social media — Reddit, YouTube, Facebook — and hoped that the religion’s leaders would be held accountable, either in a news story or a courtroom, for enabling abusers.
    Meanwhile, in Arizona, Brian Chase can still trace the fallout from the rape he survived. He was reprimanded by Witness elders who learned that he had been abused, and then kicked out of his house by his parents, who mistakenly believed he was abusing drugs. He was shunned by those closest to him, and had to muddle through a period of homelessness and years of heartache and confusion.
    He now works with nonprofits that advocate for legislation to benefit and protect abuse victims, a tangible way of healing and helping others who have had to dig out of their own personal hells.
    Traveling 2,000 miles back to Pennsylvania, to testify for the grand jury, offered another chance to make a difference.
      “I felt relief, and that I was doing a good thing,” he said. “I want to do whatever I can to prevent this from happening to other people."
     
    https://www.inquirer.com/news/jehovahs-witnesses-sex-abuse-cover-up-pennsylvania-grand-jury-investigation-20200214.html?fbclid=IwAR105_Hq8SAFFbKWBjx21fAJ06YTENpMTtKS24teDsjxxMSt1so1HSb7Btc
     
           
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    This was already answered by @JW Insider. I need to say how you have strange way of perception and conclusion about this issue. You try to defend WT Society and GB who making clear and loud statements about own errors and wrong religious teachings.
    ?? Fantastic!  Testing people who have independent view of Scripture. If you already know that individual has "independent view" (you obviously think how bad must be to have Independence), why waste time with testing person? You already know difference between "good and bad" view. :))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Oxygen Video is NOT About What JWs Will Want to Say   
    The world is watching the Watchtower's antics, in the grotesque sense of the word.  
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    JWI wants nothing of the sort.
    But if you are going to do one of these things where you go on an attack with false "facts" again, then someone ought to point out at least a couple of them. First of all, you are conflating the Bible Students and the JW's if you think that the cross and crown was a view noticed "since 1950." The cross-and-crown pins were declared to be objectionable as early as 1928. The English Watchtower got rid of the symbol from its covers in 1931. The pin was objectionable because it was religious jewelry associated with Russell and the Bible Students, not because it showed a cross. The WT still taught that Jesus died on a cross up until about 1936.
    Remember that the English name for the "Bible Students" still associated with the WTS was changed to Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931. Some Branches with the delay due to language translation lagged behind with the new name "Jehovah's Witnesses" and their redesigned Watchtower covers. (The Branch in Spain still had the cross-and-crown on their tablecloth design until 1932, and their Spanish Watchtower redesigned the covers in 1932.) Recall that in Germany the usual name was still Bibelforscher (Bible Students) from 1933 and beyond, and was used so much in Germany that many people didn't recognize that the Bibleforscher were the same as the Jehovas Zeugen (Jehovah's Witnesses) even after WWII. In fact, many of the Bibelforscher in concentration camps were not Jehovah's Witnesses but were Bible Students no longer associated with Rutherford and the Watchtower Society.
    So this cross-and-crown change had nothing to do with the 1950's, even though a bit of confusion might still have occurred in the mind of outsiders about the Bible Student name up until then, as this Watchtower experience shows:
    *** w92 6/1 p. 30 After Buchenwald I Found the Truth ***
    In 1954, I was visited by two of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and I subscribed to the Awake! magazine. . . . During the discussions that followed, I remembered the Bibelforscher in Buchenwald who were so true to their faith. Only then did I realize that these Bibelforscher and Jehovah’s Witnesses were one and the same people. Thanks to a Bible study, my wife and I took our stand for Jehovah and were baptized in April 1955.
    You have made this statement several times, seemingly forgetting that it is the Governing Body who have declared that the Watchtower erred in interpretation of scripture. You are so blinded in your anger against anyone who might admit this simple truth, that you are inadvertently claiming that the GB are opposed to the truth and seeking their own independent understanding. I don't believe they are opposed to the truth, nor do I think they are seeking their own independent understanding.
    After 1929, Jehovah's Witnesses (since 1931), not just the Bible Students, believed that Romans 13:1 did not refer to the secular authorities:
    *** w50 11/15 p. 442 par. 12 Subjection to the Higher Powers ***
    On the clergy interpretation of Romans 13:1 has been based the Roman Catholic doctrine of the “divine right of kings”. Man-made governments since the flood of Noah’s day stem from Nimrod’s government at Babel or Babylon.
    Since 1962, Jehovah's Witnesses now understand Romans 13:1 to refer to the man-made governmental authorities. As you have tried before, you try to be slick with your opposition to the truth of such matters, and as usual, it has led you to attempt some wordplay again. You try to divert with your wordplay to make it ambiguous about "why true witnesses understand the authority is God and Christ as inscribed by scripture."
    Let's try to keep the facts straight:
    *** w96 5/1 pp. 13-14 pars. 12-14 God and Caesar ***
    As early as 1886, Charles Taze Russell wrote in the book The Plan of the Ages: “Neither Jesus nor the Apostles interfered with earthly rulers in any way. . . . to offer no resistance to any established law. (Rom. 13:1-7; Matt. 22:21) . . .  This book correctly identified “the higher powers,” or “the superior authorities,” mentioned by the apostle Paul, as human governmental authorities. (Romans 13:1, King James Version) . . . .
    In 1929, . . . it was felt that the higher powers must be Jehovah God and Jesus Christ. . . . Looking back, it must be said that this view of things, exalting as it did the supremacy of Jehovah and his Christ, helped God’s people to maintain an uncompromisingly neutral stand throughout this difficult period.
    In 1961  . . . the words used not only in Romans chapter 13 but also in such passages as Titus 3:1, 2 and 1 Peter 2:13, 17 made it evident that the term “superior authorities” referred, not to the Supreme Authority, Jehovah, and to his Son, Jesus, but to human governmental authorities. In late 1962, articles were published in The Watchtower that gave an accurate explanation of Romans chapter 13 . . . .
    It was correct in 1886, under Russell, until it was changed due to what Rutherford "felt" about it in 1929. Finally in 1962, it was changed back to Russell's correct view so that it was an "accurate explanation" again. So this had very little to do with "Bible Students" as you tried to imply. I was referring to "Jehovah's Witnesses from 1931 to 1962.
    Just a side note: For some reason the Watchtower added that "it must be said" that moving from a correct explanation to an inaccurate explanation of Romans 13:1 "helped." This makes one wonder why we no longer need the "help" of an incorrect explanation. Is it because we will no longer need to maintain an uncompromisingly neutral stand throughout any more difficult periods in the future? That can't be the real reason.
    The real reason is clear. It was a mistake. We can be humble about it, instead of trying to use weasel words and other ambiguous wordplay to try to avoid being humble. We can't keep trying to give the impression that we avoid honesty to avoid admitting a mistake. It makes us look haughty. It makes us look like we are opposers who oppose the truth.
    (Proverbs 12:17) . . .The one who testifies faithfully will tell the truth, But a false witness speaks deceit.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in We are not only spokesperson for God - Geoffrey Jackson   
    Maybe he's actually being truthful.  The GB have a writing department.  The February 2020 broadcast was hosted by Gagus Glockentin, "Helper to the Publishing Committee".  He was serving up spiritual food for the month of February.  
    Perhaps it really would be "presumptuous" to believe all spiritual 'food' and refreshing spiritual 'drink' comes from the minds of the GB when they have many people writing and researching information for them, to be approved every Wednesday when the GB gather (I'm guessing). If the GB admit they are not inspired, they are no different than the elder body.  Holy Spirit somehow appointed the elders though, and somehow directs uninspired anointed ones.  Sounds to me like they are all in the same boat of Spokespeople.   The GB have so many responsibilities running a corporation and fighting off victims of child abuse, how can they manage it all anyway?
    But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, ‘My master is staying away a long time,’ 49 and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.   Matt 24:48,49
    The spiritual contributions from anointed "Israel" are rejected for the contributions of "drunkards" -  symbolically, not only drunk on the deceptive teachings/"wine" of "Israel's" harlots to begin with,  but on the power and position it affords them.  Rev 18:3   After all, they have the authority from the GB to "beat" down the servants of God's spiritual House  Eph 2:20-22; Rev 13:1,2,7,11,12,15
    "Woe to that wreath, the pride of Ephraim’s drunkards,  (Ephraim - Israel)
        to the fading flower, his glorious beauty,
    set on the head of a fertile valley—
        to that city, the pride of those laid low by wine!
    2 See, the Lord has one who is powerful and strong.
        Like a hailstorm and a destructive wind,
    like a driving rain and a flooding downpour,
        he will throw it forcefully to the ground.
    3 That wreath, the pride of Ephraim’s drunkards,
        will be trampled underfoot.
    4 That fading flower, his glorious beauty,
        set on the head of a fertile valley,
    will be like figs ripe before harvest—
        as soon as people see them and take them in hand,
        they swallow them."  Isa 28:1-4
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in We are not only spokesperson for God - Geoffrey Jackson   
    Mark 6 v 39 through 41
    But Jesus said: “Do not try to prevent him, for there is no one who will do a powerful work on the basis of my name who will quickly be able to say anything bad about me. 40  For whoever is not against us is for us. 41  And whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ, I tell you truly, he will by no means lose his reward.
    Luke 9 v 49 & 50 
    In response John said: “Instructor, we saw someone expelling demons by using your name, and we tried to prevent him, because he is not following with us.”*u 50  But Jesus said to him: “Do not try to prevent him, for whoever is not against you is for you.”
    The GB and it's Org try to say that anyone not a baptised JW will not survive Armageddon. I think the scriptures above (from their own Bible) say differently. Although they do try to prevent people by saying people are apostate etc. 
    What GB member GJ said is a complete contradiction to what else the GB say.
    They say that THEY (those 8 men) are the Faithful and Discreet Slave. They say that God and Jesus Christ trusts THEM. 
    But (as tom will keep reminding everyone) I still believe that a True Anointed are 'out there somewhere' and they will do God's will through Christ in the near future. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in Sweden and Norway Recognize Jehovah’s Witnesses as a Religion That Contributes to Society   
    https://spesial.fvn.no/i/xRWkJp/index_desktop.html
    http://www.silentlambs.org/SwedenResponse.htm
    Um, Sweden and Norway, I wonder who paid the Ministry of Culture to 'conclude' such things ? 
    Have a scroll down on those links for the truth about JW Org Sweden and Norway.  
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    As we see, it is very well known in JWorg , who can be that "someone" who are "entitled" to show error or give spiritual application, direction and clarification. That is GB.
    So, please. G. Jackson showed only "art of conversation" with ARC. But because video of his (or any of GB members and WT lawyers depositions and documentations)  will never be revealed on JW TV, it is very clear who want to have last word in conversation and not want to put words on day light for every JW member to see, to hear. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in We are not only spokesperson for God - Geoffrey Jackson   
    When GB member Geoffrey Jackson made "clarification" about this question: "Do you see yourselves as Jehovah God's Spokespeople on Earth??
    with answer:
    "Aaa, that I think would seem to be quite presumptuous to say that we are the only Spokesperson that God is using."
    ....questions arise: 
    What other individuals or groups Mr. Jackson had in mind that are also used by this same God to fulfill His will here on Earth? 
    Are they inside WT Society and JWorg, as some illegal FDS GB Body, and are part of Plan B?
    Or perhaps this "spokesperson"  is/are in some other religion, institution or are completely outside of any group and organization?
    What do you think about it, JW people or anyone else?!
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Sweden and Norway Recognize Jehovah’s Witnesses as a Religion That Contributes to Society   
    Did Ministry has program of monitoring various groups for purpose to give them state funding, or JWorg made, fill out the Application Form for this? 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    I just want to put a few quote togethr here.
    Quote @TrueTomHarley " so that if you actually kept up and immersed yourself in scripture and what had been published for the general congregation " 
    Quite myself  "Well if a person immersed themselves in scripture they would soon find how the GB and the JW Org misuse scripture to suit their own agenda. "
    And myself again "but the problems come from those that are in complete control. The GB / Lawyers, then down from the hierarchy ranks to the Circuit Overseers and Elders.  None of them seem to question anything. They seem to act like zombies or robots. "
    Now JWI :-
    Quote @JW Insider " 4Jah2me has just reminded us of the mistake Rutherford made about "superior authorities" which was not corrected back to Russell's view until the 1960's. And it made me think that hundreds of brothers, like branch overseers, district overseers, circuit overseers, and elders (whether anointed or not) could easily have known that the teaching was wrong. It seems impossible that any Witness anywhere could read the Bible and not see that this was a mistake. But none of these persons, evidently, had the idea that it would be OK to mention the need to correct this doctrine "
    I'll leave it to you to have your own views here. I've proven my point. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    Thanks!
    Geoffrey Jackson testimony before ARC in 2015 about, how every (average) JW in the world can, may and want, by individual reading of own Bible to see possible errors made by GB and WT  published doctrines and be disobey or even to give personal Amendment on instruction and doctrine - IS statement FOR secular public ONLY.
    Why this particular "inspirational teaching" and "public testimony" never been presented on JW TV as Public Call to Brotherhood for sending Letters to HQ about some issues they have with "spiritual food"? 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    Perhaps some JW's think more and some think less. Nothing is wrong with that. We have different minds and different reactions on "propaganda", mine or WT's. 
    JW members put trust in GB who put trust in Jesus who put trust in JHVH and vice versa JHVH put trust in Jesus who put trust in GB and that is reason for every JW's to put trust in GB. Gerrit Lösch made clear propaganda manipulation on JW TV about this. I don't have no need about own judgement because GB member GL made general judgement with own public presentation. He showed how GB are in need to be trusted by members and how members have to be dependable on every "spirit that coming from their mouth" - because Jesus trust them. :)))
    You mentioned ARC lawyer. How can you blame Angus Stewart's tactic with G. Jackson and in the same time don't see "tactics and methods" made by GB members in many fields, about religious doctrines and secular, courts issues???   
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in "The Witnesses"   
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    Victims are told to keep silent, so as not to bring reproach on Jehovah's name. Since we have learned, who it really is that is described by the Hebrew meaning of that name (Satan)... (“Je”-“hovah” – “a god”, “a ruin, disaster”)  isn't it true, that bringing these crimes into the light... would indeed put the blame where it belongs?
    Honest disclosure, would expose the deeds going on in the darkness, under the umbrella of that name.

    But when it comes to the genuine and holy One in heaven.... how is it possible for genuine justice, to bring reproach on His genuine name? How can the ousting and punishment of the wicked, cast God in an unfavorable light... when He Himself commands that the unrepentant wicked, be ousted and punished? God wants us to be holy, as He is holy (1Pet.1:16). God wants us to be separate from such sins, remove the wicked, and provide justice and comfort to victims.
    God's justice does not bring reproach on the true God. The leaders and shepherds who pervert justice, is what we see now bringing reproach upon this organization.

    When it is said that the sins and crimes of the wicked, bring reproach to God... we are in essence, ascribing that wickedness to God. We may as well be teaching that God is the one that sinned, and so we have to hide His misdeed, for Him.
    God has never asked his people to lie for his sake... to hide wickedness in order to protect his fragile reputation! It is Satan who wants his position behind-the-scene, to remain disguised and veiled. He does not want the fruitage of his dominion, to be recognized.

    God is a lover of justice (Isa.61:8)
    John3: "19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God."
    1John1: "5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin."

    How crooked and twisted, the tongues of these people are! They are the generation of Leviathan."
    Pearl Doxsey

    https://pearl-leviathan.blogspot.com
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in "The Witnesses"   
    It is too bad that those without tv cannot see the two presentations, since even the first youtube link is now gone.  I will try to finish watching  "Part 2" @JJJ-AUSTRALIA , using your link.  Thank you.
    This is a comment by someone who watched both presentations.
     
    "I Watched "The Witnesses" on the Oxygen Channel this past weekend. I thought after 35 years as a "Jehovah's Witness" that I knew how bad the shielding of pedophiles was within the organization. How wrong I was. The depth of this crime is extremely disturbing. Not reporting. Destroying evidence. This program , although it only shows the tip of the iceberg, paints a very disturbing picture indeed. As a "witness' we were encouraged to obey the laws of the land. Don't speed while driving and obey all traffic laws. Don't cheat on your taxes. Don't even steal a pencil or paper from your job. Jesus aptly described this Watchtower Organization when he said "They strain out the gnat, but they gulp down the camel" ( Matthew 23:. 4 "You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel. 25 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.")
    Yes the Watchtower indeed tries to exhibit a squeaky clean image, with a form of Godly devotion, but they prove false to it's power.
    How does trying to keep the organization "clean" by reporting child rapist pedophiles to the police bring reproach on God and the organization? Does it not seem to you that the pedophile who rapes the child is the one bringing the reproach?
    If Adultery is wrong and other unclean practices are wrong, then certainly rape of a child is a much worse crime. It is a crime that according to Deuteronomy 22:25 is equal to murder.
    (25... if the man encounters a..young.woman in the open country, and he overpowers her and rapes her, only the man who has done this must die. 26 Do nothing to the young woman, because she has committed no sin worthy of death. This case is just like one in which a man attacks his neighbor and murders him.) (TWO WITNESSES WERE NOT NEEDED)
    Yes these hypocrites strain out the "unclean gnat" but gulp down an entire "unclean camel"
    If someone broke into their Kingdom Hall and stole a photo copier, the elders would call the police without a moment’s hesitation. They would not ask the organization's legal department for directions. For something so petty as that these hypocrites call the police, but not for the rape of a child?
    Even if they are not mandated reporters of child sex abuse, there certainly is no law that prohibits the reporting of child sex abuse and rape....and yet the Watchtower chooses to not report the crime and even to destroy incriminating evidence that exposes the depth of their depravity. Do they think that God is unable to see this? Their day of reckoning is approaching."  Obadiah Doxsey
    I can't remember Trey Bundy's words exactly, but he said he had never seen an organization keep such a meticulously, huge file system not only on wrongdoings, but on each person the minute they become a JW. This includes children and their spiritual milestones growing up. As far as wrongdoings, it struck me how sick and contrary that is according to the scriptures. If we are repentant for any sin, God says - “I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins." Isa 43:25
    What the organization has done, is disfellowshipped VICTIMS of another's wrongdoings. They call the victim the sinner!  They have disfellowshipped pedophiles, only to reinstate them at a later point to do more harm - more destruction.  
    Deut 27:19 - “Cursed is anyone who withholds justice from the foreigner, the fatherless or the widow.”
    Here is another person's reaction to the comment above:
     
    "In reading these comments this morning it caused me to want to review their book ' Learn from the great teacher ', a book they published in 2003 aimed at children, remembering they had a chapter discussing child molestation. The chapter is titled 'How was Jesus protected', it parallels Jesus and his family fleeing to Egypt to escape the wrath of King Harod with child molestation. Go figure. Interestingly, a paragraph on page 170 reads, 'So just as Jesus needed protection,you also need to be protected from grownups-and even from other children- who may try to have sex with you. Usually, these people will pretend to be your friends. They may even offer you something if you promise not to tell others about what they want to do with you. But these people are selfish, like satan and his demons,and they only want pleasure for themselves. '

    Isn't this exactly what their policies promote? If you don't tell, you can keep your family, social network , free from the public 'molestation ' that will follow if you do expose this crime?
    Page 6, paragraph 3, reads,' Heartbreaking things can and do happen when children do not receive help until it's to late.' This documentary it a testament to that very statement. How many have been destroyed, physically,emotionally, and spiritually by their selfish pleasure seeking as an organization?
    They blamed Dinah, in Genesis chpt.34 for getting raped every time I heard the recounting of the story at the meetings, they still victim blame." 
    If the organization truly practiced love, there would be no reason to hide and destroy documents.  There would be no victims who are destroyed. 
    Obadiah made the comment, "How does trying to keep the organization "clean" by reporting child rapist pedophiles to the police bring reproach on God and the organization? Does it not seem to you that the pedophile who rapes the child is the one bringing the reproach?"
    There is no loving soundness, no "rhyme or reason", to their methods. All I can see is Satan, his demons, and their lusts, steering the ship. I kept thinking of the fallen "sons of God" who took women for their wives, when listening to the horrid accounts given by the women in the program. Gen 6:1-5 The result? "The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 
    Committing child abuse is evil.  Harboring the abuser is evil.  Condemning the victim is evil.  Hiding the facts is evil.  Defending one's evil actions in the court system, is abhorrent.  There is NO love practiced in the organization.
    "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 IT DOES NOT DISHONOR OTHERS, IT IS NOT SELF-SEEKING, it is not easily angered, IT KEEPS NO RECORD OF WRONGS. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 IT ALWAYS PROTECTS, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres." 1 Cor 13:4-7
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in "The Witnesses"   
    I have made these videos files available on my Google Drive for anyone having issues accessing the videos.
    Part1
     https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOTBNjnXsTw_d6EmMzVgs23-yE7wNVar/view?usp=drivesdk
    Part 2
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YXaB_9IZ9pB98BVEkn_pOSvvOKGLMjdq/view?usp=drivesdk
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    Oh CC what big lies you tell. Quote "In my experience .... "
    Well it just proves you don't have much experience then doesn't it, or that you just tell lies because the GB say its ok to tell lies.  
    Quote "What you are claiming here is nothing more than ex-witness propaganda.."
    That was the same excuse that the GB used about Child Sexual Abuse.
    Quote "First and foremost, every true witness is loyal to God not Elders, or the GB"
    If a person is loyal to God they would not be a JW at this present time. What does truth have to do with lies, or morality with immorality. You cannot serve two masters.
    Quote "and since the GB are a central body of spiritual men that give spiritual direction, .."
    Um, how can the GB give spiritual direction as they are not inspired or guided by God or Christ ?
    Stupidity such as the 'Overlapping generations' proves it. And more seriously the 'Two witness rule' for Child Sexual Abuse. 
    Quote " to follow that spiritual direction unless someone can show just cause biblically there is an error in scriptural application." 
    I just have, twice.
    I do fully understand that many 'boots on the ground' congregants can be lovely people, and may even have the best intentions. I do not think all JWs are paedophiles or criminals or actually bad people, but the problems come from those that are in complete control. The GB / Lawyers, then down from the hierarchy ranks to the Circuit Overseers and Elders.  None of them seem to question anything. They seem to act like zombies or robots. I think its mainly because of fear of losing position, power, rank, family and friends. 
    And the boots on the ground congregants can only eat what they are fed from the JW  table. Because its all they know. 
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    As we see, it is very well known in JWorg , who can be that "someone" who are "entitled" to show error or give spiritual application, direction and clarification. That is GB.
    So, please. G. Jackson showed only "art of conversation" with ARC. But because video of his (or any of GB members and WT lawyers depositions and documentations)  will never be revealed on JW TV, it is very clear who want to have last word in conversation and not want to put words on day light for every JW member to see, to hear. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    " Quote every single line of it, (the Shepherd the Flock book ) if you like, and it will simply show a people taking the lead who are determined to follow scripture in doing so. 
    What it shows is 'a people' (Elders ) taking orders from 8 men in America, of whom none are inspired of Holy Spirit. Therefore none of them truly understand the meanings of the scriptures at all. This is clearly shown by the Two Witness rule, by the no blood/ blood fractions rule, by the accusation of fornication toward brothers and sisters that are just friends. By the shunning rules, the false reasons for disfellowshipping, the list is never ending. 
    " so that if you actually kept up and immersed yourself in scripture and what had been published for the general congregation "
    Well if a person immersed themselves in scripture they would soon find how the GB and the JW Org misuse scripture to suit their own agenda. 'This Generation' comes to mind, and 'Superior Authorities' in the past.
    But if a person 'kept up' with 'what had been published for the general congregation', all they would get is more of the same falsehood, lies, mistakes, which the GB admit to. ( not inspired so may err ) . 
    So, trying to play the Shepherding book down doesn't cut it. It just proves you are a company man Tom. 
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    I agree, again.
    But why would words that carry Moral and Ethical obligation for all (elders and rank and file members),  ... why there is a need for such selection about "spiritual food" for elders that is not allowed to be read by all other members ("Shepherd book" is what i have in mind at moment)? 
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Arauna in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Be murdered or be killed ... for victim is the same end. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in WHY .... doesn't Jehovah God consider warfare ... murder?   
    Be murdered or be killed ... for victim is the same end. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    I agree, again.
    But why would words that carry Moral and Ethical obligation for all (elders and rank and file members),  ... why there is a need for such selection about "spiritual food" for elders that is not allowed to be read by all other members ("Shepherd book" is what i have in mind at moment)? 
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    BUT all JWs are supposed to be equal. No clergy class or all clergy class .  All brothers. 
    No hierarchy. And it's supposed to be 'the truth'.  So why would you need hidden information ? 
    After all its not supposed to be an organisation of the world is it ? 
    But remember Tom the whole Elders book is available to read online so we know it is a 'smoking gun'. 
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in I Almost Wish That There Was More Public Kickback From WT Regarding CSA Charges   
    "...it would not be unchristian to report the matter to the authorities.."
    All people sometimes need advice, support, opinions on some of the things they are facing. It is evident from this segment that the WT Organization has raised generations of members who seeking permission for some activity in their own lives because they do not dare to make decisions on their own, without organization, which perhaps may "embarrass God and his visible organization."
    Would it be interesting to find out how that came about? Why can't members exist without their leaders and their instructions, and why can't leaders stop deciding for their members?
     
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