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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    TTH:  "The 'abuses' you site are no more than basic human needs - done 'on the cheap' to the degree possible." 
    Yes, so 'cheaply' that the organization bought polluted land and put their volunteers to work to clean up the toxic waste. And the purchase of this land was supposedly directed by God. What a slap in the face...unless... they bought it, hoping to make their money back in lawsuits won.   Hmm, that would be another god's recommendation.  
    So, did they know it was polluted when they bought it?  I personally believe they did.
    Do they care about the future health of their volunteers who did the "dirty work"?
    The "House of God" - Bethel - is built on toxic land.   Well, since the true "House of God" is within the hearts of His anointed Temple, (1 Cor 3:16,17) then how fitting for Watchtower.  
    https://www.recordonline.com/article/20151214/NEWS/151219671
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    All eyes are trained on the organization, and its need to flourish; regardless of JWs’ own physical circumstances.   After Stephen Lett gave his broadcasting statement that ‘more money is going out, than coming in’, and the need for more donations, I read one woman’s comment admitting she needed to put a tighter reign on her budget in order to donate more to the organization.  She was willing to sacrifice her few family’s personal pleasures to satisfy the GB’s wishes – men who live comfortably and lack nothing.
    This is absolute robbery by persuasion.  In the meantime, men have been chosen to attend universities and receive a lawyer’s degree, also to assure the organization’s ability to flourish.  But I’ve said all this before. 
    God doesn’t need anything, as Acts 17:24,25  points out.  Organizations are always in need, so what or who do JWs love more?  Who’s wishes are more respected; God’s, or men who love their organization and expect you to do the same?
    Now when the people saw that Moses delayed coming down from the mountain, the people gathered together to Aaron, and said to him, “Come, make us gods that shall go before us; for as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.”
    2 And Aaron said to them, “Break off the golden earrings which are in the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people broke off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 And he received the gold from their hand, and he fashioned it with an engraving tool, and made a molded calf.
    Then they said, “This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!”
    5 So when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, “Tomorrow is a feast to the Lord.” 6 Then they rose early on the next day, offered burnt offerings, and brought peace offerings; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.  Exod 32:1-6 
    “May each of us stick to God, keep pace with his people, and continue to move ahead with Jehovah’s organization.” WT 14/5/15
    “…gods that shall go before us” – “…move ahead with Jehovah’s organization”
    “…a feast to the Lord” - “…stick to God”
    From the same article:
    “My early experience taught me how unsound it is to rely on human reasoning. Once my mind had been resolved on that point, I determined to stay by the faithful organization. How else can one get Jehovah’s favor and blessing?”
    How else?   John 14:6; Acts 4:12
    And the Lord said to Moses, “Go, get down! For your people whom you brought out of the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves. 8 They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them. They have made themselves a molded calf, and worshiped it and sacrificed to it, and said, ‘This is your god, O Israel, that brought you out of the land of Egypt!’ ” 9 And the Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!”  Exod 32:7-9 
    41 And they made a calf in those days, offered sacrifices to the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands. 
     “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says”
     “You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you”  Acts 7:41,48,51
    So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? (“How else can one get Jehovah’s favor and blessing?”) Who is able to make war with him?” Rev 13:4
    And all the world marveled and followed the beast. Rev 13:3b   (“move ahead with Jehovah’s organization”)
    This “beast” symbolically “kills” all who reject it as “spirit-directed”, as belonging to God, per instructions from a false prophet.
    15 He was granted power to give breath (spirit) to the image of the beast, (“Jehovah’s spirit-directed organization”)  that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.   Rev 13:15
    “What kind of offenses are regarded as disfellowshiping offenses? These include persistence in sexual offenses, stealing, lying, dishonest business practices, rebellion against Jehovah’s organization, slandering, drunkenness, apostasy, teaching of false doctrine and other wrongs. W 63/7/1 p. 410-411
     
    The apostles never admired, or put their trust and faith in an earthly organization.  They spoke of Christ as salvation, as sent to us by the Father. You speak these words about Christ, but fail to grasp them.    The apostles taught of the unity of the anointed Body of Christ and its blessings in the Kingdom.   They taught that any earthly endeavors contradict Christ’s message. Phil 3:18,19
    How JWs have been fooled.  2 Thess 2:9-12
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Sorry, but when somebody doing buys and sells (real estates, shares and holdings ...etc) than that it is a business.  
     
    No one of us, and no one of JW member, and no one of GB member are not want to live as Jesus was. Jesus himself gave this advice, instruction: -  Jesus told him, “If you want to be perfect, go,  sell your  possessions  and  give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.”  -Mat 19
    Well, here He said, sell, give to the poor. Does WT Society poor? Do GB members poor? If they are not, than why members give donations to Organization, Corporation? According to Jesus' words individual is responsible for finding this "poor" and give personal help. If you want to "organize" help, do it. :))
    Jesus didn't give idea how followers have to collect and donate money to Him or to Apostles, for their accommodation, food, clothes, transportation, dentist, solar energy and green roofs ... or for their Preaching Activity. 
    I am sure how there is many "poor" JW witnesses in the world. They need to receive help, not WT Corporations. You know story of average ideology. You eat meat, i eat greens .... in average WE are eating cabbage rolls :)))) 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Nope.  I gave the answer to what is "good", according to the Father: 
    "you yourselves, as living stones, a spiritual house, are being built to be a holy priesthood to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
    "But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his possession, so that you may proclaim the praises of the one who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. "  1 Pet 2:5,9
    "Don’t you yourselves know that you are God’s temple and that the Spirit of God lives in you?"  1 Cor 3:16
    "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building, being put together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you are also being built together for God’s dwelling in the Spirit."
    "And they sang a new song:
    You are worthy to take the scroll
    and to open its seals,
    because you were slaughtered,
    and you purchased people
    for God by your blood
    from every tribe and language
    and people and nation.
    You made them a kingdom
    and priests to our God,
    and they will reign on the earth."  Rev 5:9,10
    “The one who conquers I will make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will never go out again. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God—the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God—and my new name."  Rev 3:12
    "I did not see a temple in it, because the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates it, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it."  Rev 21:22-24
    "And what agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For we are the temple of the living God, as God said: I will dwell and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people."
    The true Temple, the "spiritual house", the "whole building" is God's.  He does not require the dedication of earthly buildings using the world's assets. I hope JWs can let these scriptures sink into the brain and heart:
    However, the Most High [the One infinitely exalted above humanity] does not dwell in houses (temple/shrine/sanctuary) made by human hands; as the prophet [Isaiah] says,
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    ‘Heaven is My throne,
    And the earth is the footstool for My feet;
    What kind of house (any dwelling place/home/tabernacle/tent) will you build for Me?’ says the Lord,
    ‘Or what place is there for My rest?  Acts 7:48-50
    "The God who created the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;  nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, because it is He who gives to all [people] life and breath and all things."  Acts 17:24,25
    Does God need buildings dedicated to Him?  No.  Does He want buildings dedicated to Him? No.  If men in their arrogance decide to dedicate their building accomplishment to God, He won't dwell in them anyway.  His Spirit will not be found in a building, because men's ideals and accomplishments transgress His word.  
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Money and Place for worship.
    What is connection in this two opposite things? What was purpose for money boxes in Jerusalem Temple?
    What is origin and purpose of "treasury" from Jew ancient times to Jerusalem in Jesus' time? 
    Before money (coins and later paper) came to be meaning for pay, people giving material things as animals, gold, grain, wine, oil and similar valuable things as Offering to God (for house of JHVH -  "All the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron are sacred to the LORD and must go into his treasury.” "Then they burned the whole city and everything in it, but they put the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron into the treasury of the LORD’s house.- Joshua 6. And as support or payment for priests. Also as support for God's wars in Israel nation. For building and repairing house for God and also for house for King. For the maintenance of the temple and its ministry. 
    What is purpose of money box that was in possession of Jesus and The 12? For Temple, for some Building where they gathered together? For ministry service, preaching service ....? Who came to idea to carry money box and collecting money and for what purpose? It is something about "the poor" in John 12, but comment made by writer explaining how Judas was thief, in fact. 
    Who are "thief" today in WT Society and in JW org? Who holds, carry "money box" in Organization and for what reason? 
    :)) We must understand something. Where is Money, there is chaos and mess. Money corrupts people.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Everything that man considers good, or what God considers good?
    "Do not love the world or anything that belongs to the world. If you love the world, you do not love the Father. 16 Everything that belongs to the world—what the sinful self desires, what people see and want, and everything in this world that people are so proud of—none of this comes from the Father; it all comes from the world. 17 The world and everything in it that people desire is passing away; but those who do the will of God live forever."  1 John 2:15-17
    “Stop storing up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and rust destroy and thieves break in and steal. 20 Instead, store up treasures for yourselves in heaven, where moths and rust don’t destroy and thieves don’t break in and steal. 21 Your heart will be where your treasure is."  Matt 6:19-21
    "These people have exchanged God’s truth for a lie. So they have become ungodly and serve what is created rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen!"  Rom 1:25
    The early temple was approved by God as the place to worship.  Since the temple is now the Body of Christ, there is no other approved earthly place of worship, according to GOD, since Christ has said we worship in spirit and truth.  John 4:24  His Temple, house of "worship" is Zion, built with "living stones".  1 Pet 2:5,9    
    You are built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. Christ Jesus himself is the cornerstone. 21 In him all the parts of the building fit together and grow into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 Through him you, also, are being built in the Spirit together with others into a place where God lives.  Eph 2:20-22
    Scripture refers to the faithful sealed anointed as "trees".  Matt 7:18; Ezek 47:12; Rev 11:4; 22:2 In the organization, these "trees" and the spirit God has poured into their heart, are replaced with desires of men to build their own "temples" - housed with their own choice of priests.  Dan 8:11
    "What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”  2 Cor 6:16
    “The glory of Lebanon will come to you,
        the juniper, the fir and the cypress together,
    to adorn my sanctuary;
        and I will glorify the place for my feet. (Isa 66:1,2; Ps 132:7-9)
    14 The children of your oppressors will come bowing before you; (Rev 3:9)
        all who despise you will bow down at your feet
    and will call you the City of the Lord,
        Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
    15 “Although you have been forsaken and hated,
        with no one traveling through,
    I will make you the everlasting pride
        and the joy of all generations."  Isa 60:13-15
    There is no difference in what the organization has done in building its empire, than any other religious entity that dedicates, consecrates buildings to God; such as the Catholic Church, or the Mormons and their temples, Islam and its mosques.    Those are considered "good".  In your organization, you house the "good" - the true Temple of God, which has been rejected for the same treasures the world has.  Hag 1:4; Dan 7:21; 8:11,23-25; Rev 13:7,10
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in What good is an internet forum for JWs?   
    If a specific prophetic interpretation is what people are encouraged to put all hope and dreams in (such as 1975). just to find out that they were misled into believing its possibility as true, no longer will many enjoy their “worship” in all other aspects the organization offers.  That particular scenario remains “important” to a large number of people because of the scar it leaves on their lives.  Scars usually always remain as a memory of an event. The bigger the scar, the bigger the memory.  When a person makes an investment into a company that utilizes slick, appealing - even truthful - advertising, and which promises positive returns but eventually is exposed as a fraud, only a foolish person would keep investing his resources into it.
    “Bad investment advice is usually due to one of two reasons. The first is centered around an advisor that will repeatedly place their self-interest before that of the client. The second reason leading to bad advice is an advisor's lack of knowledge and failure to perform due diligence before making recommendations and taking action. Each type of bad advice has its own consequences for the client in the short term, but in the long term they will all result in poor performance or loss of money.”  (Investopedia)
    This is what the Lord of Hosts says: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They are making you worthless. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the Lord’s mouth. Jer 23:16
    It is said, “talk is cheap”; which is actually a partial quote.  From, The Saint’s Knowledge of Christ’s Love, or The Unsearchable Riches of Christ published in 1692:
    “I know words are cheap, but a dram of grace is worth all the world.”   
    "I call heaven and earth as witnesses against you today that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse. Choose life so that you and your descendants may live,  love the Lord your God, obey Him, and remain faithful to Him. " Deut 30:19,20
    It's crystal clear in God's word, that we are not to remain faithful to men who stumble in their predictions, but intermittently gloss it over with appealing information like a dangling carrot.   
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JW Insider in What good is an internet forum for JWs?   
    Very new aspect for me too. By this i would say how WT Society and JW org application about Matt 24 and many events or "signs" that people can see in very visible and factual way have another meaning. Because, Announcing how The year 1914 and The Kingdom as Heavenly Invisible Fact with Physical and Earthly "evidences" visible to eyes, that making entering in some Special period for human, is Preaching Error.   
    Perhaps Matt 24 is possible to use for 1914, as for many other periods in Human History. But Establishing of Kingdom (in 1914??) is not possible to support by "signs", because of reasoning Jesus has told, as you very well pointed out. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in What good is an internet forum for JWs?   
    Even on this forum, when anyone brings up what the Watchtower publications said about expectations for 1881, 1910, 1915, 1918, 1925, 1970's, 2000, we sometimes hear an excuse like: "Can we really be blamed for having tried to put a time frame on the time of the end? After all, don't we hear about the disciples in Acts 1:6 asking if Jesus is going to restore the Kingdom to Israel at this time?"
    What makes this particular excuse troubling is that we don't expect anointed elders, or Governing Body members say that they believe they should be in a better position than other anointed ones when they are in heaven, perhaps even in a position much closer to Jesus himself. Yet can they really be blamed if they tried to do that? After all, the disciples themselves appeared to have involved themselves in such jockeying for position:
    (Matthew 20:20-22) . . .Then the mother of the sons of Zebʹe·dee approached him with her sons, doing obeisance and asking for something from him. 21 He said to her: “What do you want?” She replied to him: “Give the word that these two sons of mine may sit down, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your Kingdom.” 22 Jesus answered: “You do not know what you are asking for. Can you drink the cup that I am about to drink?” They said to him: “We can.”
    And of course, Jesus knew it wasn't just the mother asking which is why he addressed the two disciples themselves. But notice that the answer contains a mild rebuke when Jesus says that this is not even his to give, but it is in the Father's jurisdiction:
    (Matthew 20:23) . . .but to sit down at my right hand and at my left is not mine to give, but it belongs to those for whom it has been prepared by my Father.”
    Similarly, Acts 1:7 contains a similar mild rebuke to the question about the time period for end-time events:
    (Acts 1:7) 7 He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.
    And of course, similarly, when Jesus' disciples asked him when the temple walls were going to fall, and they asked Jesus to give them a sign for when it would occur, Jesus didn't start out with a time frame, but created a context, starting out with the words:
    (Matthew 24:4) 4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you,
    (Mark 13:5) . . .So Jesus began to tell them: “Look out that nobody misleads you.
    (Luke 21:8) He said: “Look out that you are not misled,. . .
    There is plenty of variation in the details each gospel writer chose to report, but they all agree that these were the very first words out his mouth. And of course, some also emphasize the same "mild rebuke" that we see in Acts 1:7.
    (Matthew 24:36) . . .“Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.
    (Mark 13:32) 32 “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father.
    In fact, Luke includes some of Jesus' words from the Mount of Olives "Sermon" as words that Jesus had already told the Pharisees, when they also asked him "when the Kingdom of God was coming." (Luke 17:20). Jesus response was very clear, that it would not be by things they could observe, not by physical signs.
    (Luke 17:20, NLT) One day the Pharisees asked Jesus, “When will the Kingdom of God come?” Jesus replied, “The Kingdom of God can’t be detected by visible signs. "
    That's not only a perfectly good translation, it fits exactly what Jesus repeatedly said about persons looking for signs. 
    (Matthew 12:39) . . .“A wicked and adulterous generation keeps on seeking a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Joʹnah the prophet.
    (Matthew 16:4) 4 A wicked and adulterous generation keeps seeking a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Joʹnah.”. . .
    (Mark 8:12) . . .So he sighed deeply in his spirit and said: “Why does this generation seek a sign? Truly I say, no sign will be given to this generation.”
    This appears to be the same clear reason why Paul could say:
    (1 Thessalonians 5:1) . . .Now as for the times and the seasons, brothers, you need nothing to be written to you.
    This wouldn't have meant that they couldn't tell that they were already living in revolutionary, troublesome times, hard to deal with, and this should have made it clear that they should be ready at any time for something to happen within their own lifetimes. The biggest evidence that the end of all things was upon them was that Jesus had now already been in their midst performing miracles. But thinking they needed another sign to know that they had to be always ready might just be an indication of a "wicked" inclination. Jesus' disciples wanted a sign to warn them in advance when the walls of the temple were going to fall. Was it going to be in their lifetime? Could they continue to use the temple today? tomorrow? next week? next year? Jesus said they didn't need to know the timing because the end would come as a surprise, when it would be too late to do anything about it. By the time they saw Jerusalem surrounded by Roman armies, it was time to flee. That probably didn't sound rational to them from a human standpoint, since you can't easily flee through an army that's surrounding you. 
    I don't believe there is any way to tell whether there is supposed to be some exact parallel in a secondary application to these Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem, or perhaps standing in the holy place itself.  Obviously the GB has long believed that there must be some direct parallel, based originally on some of the old type-antitype traditions, and they are predicting a future scenario that appears to match the first century by drawing on Matthew & Luke and bits of Revelation, Daniel, Zechariah, Ezekiel, etc.
    A good question might be whether predicting a future scenario becomes more probable because it can incorporate bits and pieces from several different Bible books, or does it become less probable because it has been built upon bits and pieces of several different Bible books from different contexts. I think we are therefore back to a question of our own trust in those "bragging rights" that make us feel that a higher measure of Jehovah's spirit direction (or inspiration) has been evident among the leadership of this organization.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in What good is an internet forum for JWs?   
    Your plan might work a bit differently during a category 3+ hurricane. I think you are counting on the fact that Jehovah gets the indication of his presence across to us calmly without needing to blast us with signs:
    (1 Kings 19:11, 12) 11 But He said: “Go out and stand on the mountain before Jehovah.” And look! Jehovah was passing by, and a great and strong wind was splitting mountains and breaking crags before Jehovah, but Jehovah was not in the wind. After the wind, there was an earthquake, but Jehovah was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake, there was a fire, but Jehovah was not in the fire. After the fire, there was a calm, low voice.
    Sorry, lost my sense of humor there for a minute.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in What good is an internet forum for JWs?   
    That's why when I go to our weekend meetings at the Kingdom Hall, I get there early to anonymously offer my entire paycheck, converted to cash, to the "Worldwide Work".
    I toss it up in the air, and all that God needs, he takes.  What falls back to the parking lot, I use for MY local needs.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in What good is an internet forum for JWs?   
    Perhaps it's just me, but looking back at invisible things that happened years ago, in the heavens that nobody could see, and for which there is absolutely NO EARTHLY EVIDENCE that cannot be explained by ten thousand explanations more probable ( Occam's razor?), by an organization that without a single exception in over a hundred and more years has ALWAYS been wrong about explaining such things, and whose credibility among sane, common sense people is ZERO .... I just don't "get it".
    Am I missing something?
     


    jw.org evidence for gods kingdom not based on faith but scientific evidence.mp4 In fact, I do not think I am going too far out on a philosophical limb here to say that this statement by GB Member Bro. Stephen Lett is complete, utter and total nonsense.
    It's SO DELUSIONAL, it is both sad and embarrassing to even watch.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    This is good explanation :)))))  Than i have suggestion.
    Ceremony of "dedication" building to God after Construction team  had finished job have to be done again but in reversible meaning.  After real estate agent made new contract, Congregants will be gathered  in KH for the last time "TO UNDEDICATE" buillding, bricks, roof, grass etc, especially if new buyer is someone from false religion church.  It would not be a good thing to remain even the smallest part of God’s blessing to a new owner.     :))))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JJJ-AUSTRALIA in I Can Get Back Up - JW Broadcasting June 2017   
    Everyone is entitled to their opinion. @Joan Kennedy and @Jack Ryan as a JW or exjw we should be free to express our thoughts, if we don't like anything we can always use our ignore button and show more Christ qualities than telling someone to shut up. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Words are the tools with which we think. 
    If we use poorly crafted tools, we will have poorly crafted thinking.
    Perhaps a better set of words would be "consecrate" and "un-consecrate".
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    I agree.
    In the circa 1968 movie "Alice's Restaurant" Arlo Guthrie, a Hippie, goes to Stockbridge, Massachusetts to visit some old friends, and they have bought an old large church, possibly Presbyterian, and are going to turn it in to a free love and sex Hippie Commune, and the scene opens with a high angle shot of the inside of the church showing perhaps ten old congregants, and two  Presbyterian Clergy UN-DEDICATING the church and property in a ceremony, with the new owners, Alice and Ray, standing at the outside of the church, waiting for the un-consecration...
    The movie also accurately represents the hippie movement in the United States during the time of the Vietnam War, and the movie was created to follow the real life experiences of Arlo Guthrie exactly as stated in his guitar 18 minute riff by the same name "Alice's Restaurant" (Alice's Restaurant Massacre).
    The entire one hour and 51 minute movie is available on Youtube.  You may not be able to get it in your country, so I downloaded it, and pasted it HERE.  It's 400 MB, and this site says it has a 500 MB limit for uploads.
    The part about the church un-consecration starts at 15:30  minutes.
     

    1969... Alice's Restaurant.mp4
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    This is good explanation :)))))  Than i have suggestion.
    Ceremony of "dedication" building to God after Construction team  had finished job have to be done again but in reversible meaning.  After real estate agent made new contract, Congregants will be gathered  in KH for the last time "TO UNDEDICATE" buillding, bricks, roof, grass etc, especially if new buyer is someone from false religion church.  It would not be a good thing to remain even the smallest part of God’s blessing to a new owner.     :))))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    If a building is called “God’s House” would it be considered holy?  If it were truly “God’s House”, then His Spirit would dwell there and yes, it would be “holy”.  If a parent tells his child at the kingdom hall that “this is God’s House”, as a JW video already explains to children, wouldn’t they learn to have a reverential awe for that building? 
    Does God agree with these dedications and the christening of a kingdom hall /assembly hall as His House?  I believe JWs cannot fathom what God would think of such a thing, even if it is a building of temporary use. It is as if God is no where to be heard, no where to give His opinion on what man do, although He certainly has through the scriptures.   So let’s do it, call it dedicated to God, then sell it off! God will understand our disregarding all scriptures concerning anything built by the hands of men.  Acts 7:49-51; 17:24,25
     He has a “building”, He has a spiritual dwelling. 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; 1 Cor 3:16,17; John 2:19-21   He has made it clear with the advent of His Son that there is only one “temple”/”building” that He accepts as His.  It was a major point  of Jesus’ coming; earthly structures to house God’s Spirit were to be abolished.  He is building His House on the anointed Body of Christ. 1 Cor 3:9  Why would He want any building dedicated to Him that has its source in Satan’s world?  James 3:15
    This is called spiritual immorality.  It is practiced by false prophets – “harlots” who do exactly what they want and still claim to worship God.  Rev 13:11,15; 16:13,14; 17:1,15
    If JWs were to recognize the importance of God’s “building”, they would not dare dedicate any earthly building to Him.  Instead, God’s temple/priesthood is trampled down by such teachings spoken from a Harlot, and supported by her “man of lawlessness”. Matt 24:48-51;  2 Thess 2:1-4; 9-12; Rev 13:1,2,4-7   So, your leaders dedicate buildings to “Jehovah”.  They raise the excitement in all in attendance.  It is a blessing from God!   I would guess just about everyone in such an audience has no idea what the true dedicated House/Temple of God really is, thanks to the GB Harlots.
     What God has said about His Son and His “living stones” (1 Pet 2:5,9) apparently means nothing.  Jer 4:22   And instead, JWs believe an organization and all of its buildings will lead them into the Kingdom.  IT holds primary importance for one's salvation.  
    So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
    5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
    9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear. Rev 13:4-9
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    TTH has said he has nothing to do with the running of this site. I have no proof, but I'm sure he's telling the truth. He doesn't know me, and I don't know him, and I don't know the Librarian or the admin either. What I know about them is only from what I see in the posts I get. I did get an invitation from a moderator 3 years ago inviting me to use some moderating powers to move posts to new topics, because there were a lot of topics that were started and several persons (with names like Allen Smith) were coming into these topics for no apparent reason other than to spew some vitriolic hatred, judge persons (not views) they disagreed with as apostate, Satanic and deserving of death.
    I gladly accepted the moderating powers to move unrelated posts to new topics. It keeps things neater, more organized, and allows for those other ideas to grow into topics of their own. I don't use any function that allows me to delete a post, but it's a function called "Split." For anyone's post, I have a little pulldown, called Options, and in there is a function called "Split." I can start a new "empty" topic first, give it a name, and then when I click on "Split," I enter the location of the new topic, and the post ends up on that page. I have no control over the order, so they just show up by date order, the same order they showed up on the original topic. It's a bit too much effort for the value gained, and I prefer personally to just let topics go all over the place "organically." My own posts (like this one) are off-topic about as often as anyone else's (or more) so it seems like trying to exert control on a topic that is unnecessary, even if it's easier to follow.
    I know that I didn't communicate with TTH or anyone else about removing anyone here. It wouldn't make any sense anyway because I'm always AGAINST removing people from any forum. No matter how badly they act, they will just continue to act that badly under another name if they are removed. We all saw that this was the case with Allen Smith, and some of his cursing and cyber-bullying became just as bad under his new names as it had been under his original name. I always spoke up for him, though, because a person can be "censured" by the others without removing his rights to speak up on the forum. Any of us can personally block someone we don't want to hear from. I don't know for sure, but I suspect I have been blocked by some who didn't want to hear what I had been saying.
    So I know this is probably not about any of the original "Allen Smith" monikers. I know that I did expose the vote-spamming of @BillyTheKid46 and @Foreigner, but I just now typed their names with an @ in front of them, and they both seem to exist. (I haven't seen tweets from either of them for a couple weeks, though). Perhaps pointing out their spamming with small screen-shot snippets has resulted in a punishment of some kind, but I do not expect their removal. Besides I only pointed out a very small percentage of their spamming, as it related to my own posts. Others here pointed out that they were doing the same to their posts, too.
    My own goal in pointing out their spamming was not to get either of them removed, and I hope they have not been removed. I also hate the fact that when someone is removed you can no longer see their posts, and you end up with conversations that no longer make any sense with half the conversation missing.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    Who grants legitimacy?
    You?
    If the Governing Body can self appoint themselves as God's spokesmen ... which they have done ... who grants THEM legitimacy?
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Sean Migos in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    We can discuss judgment if you want. I can state how you have judged Christendom to say religion is false. I can add, how you believe the Org. is false. I could then apply your own words and scripture, about judgment. I would imagine this insight did not fail your motivation to make it a debate. The prospect of judgment falls upon your shoulder not mine. In other words, you have placed judgment upon yourself.
    Perhaps by reviewing your written words, it will give you that insight.
    Once again, heed your own words to refresh your memory. You claim the Org, to be false. Those churches that follow Christ, to  the letter and in his footsteps receive the same Holy Spirit as the church of Christ. Can you give me an example of which other church runs parallel to the first century church?
    The church belongs to everyone who obeys God. I don't consider the church to be mine, but I am part of the church by obedience to God. There is no such thing as a Jesus Witness. Jesus however was a witness to his heavenly father to submit himself with obedience to him. I am, however, a witness of Jehovah. The creator of us all. I am proud to have Jehovah as my friend and creator.
    The terminology is different. When we seek the fault of others, we will find them. Imperfection cannot be removed by man, or human condition (absolution). Testing the spirit is an action, which can be applied when we decide to make scripture convince ourselves that we are correct when indeed we are not. This would be the purpose in difference when receiving God's Holy Spirit.
    Then why speak about love. You made the point, it has to be a specific human condition in order to follow Christ. How can love and hate run in sync, if not by loving the human soul and hating all that is evil within, humanity.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in The French Speaking Baptist Church of Stratford is now located in the former Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall at 494 Milford Point Road.   
    jw.org evidence for gods kingdom not based on faith but scientific evidence.mp4
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