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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    The disciples and many others have been listening. Now Jesus addresses them, warning about the scribes and the Pharisees. Those men have “seated themselves in the seat of Moses” to teach God’s Law. - source jworg
    It seems how, after new interpretations on "secular authority", you put yourself on Moses seat :)))) Or you just copy/paste some WT magazine. If yes, tell the source.
    According to your new light, donation money from now have new name - taxes?! And for what purpose? For service of those who governing in WTJWORG. Well, I see from this that JW's have PAID CLERGY, according to this understanding of Bible words.
    :)))))) very good 
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    @BillyTheKid46  Are you really using the Romans 13 scripture to mean the GB ? Are you joking ?
    The Superior Authorities to whom we pay taxes are worldly governments. Surely even you can understand that ? 
    You are proving day by day that you are not a JW.  
    The only power the GB have is what they give themselves and what their servants (most JW's) give them.
    The GB has no power given by God or Jesus Christ. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    The disciples and many others have been listening. Now Jesus addresses them, warning about the scribes and the Pharisees. Those men have “seated themselves in the seat of Moses” to teach God’s Law. - source jworg
    It seems how, after new interpretations on "secular authority", you put yourself on Moses seat :)))) Or you just copy/paste some WT magazine. If yes, tell the source.
    According to your new light, donation money from now have new name - taxes?! And for what purpose? For service of those who governing in WTJWORG. Well, I see from this that JW's have PAID CLERGY, according to this understanding of Bible words.
    :)))))) very good 
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    The secret of being happy ... is to know the difference between unreasonable expectations, and practical reality.
    Humans, after all ..... are just big ugly bags of mostly water.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    I will have to agree with Billy on THAT one.
    We should be very suspicious of any individual or group of people who assume controlling religious authority.
    Hmmmm... why does that sound so familiar?
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    That’s right.  Where in scripture does it say that the GB can place themselves in a higher position than any other anointed one in the organization, including every JW who are not anointed?   Luke 22:24-27
    I have no authority over anyone.  How can someone on the outside exalt himself over those who refuse to acknowledge them? 
    Do I disfellowship anyone? 
    Do I mark them as spiritually “dead”  Rev 13:15
    What they practice, Jesus condemned. Matt 24:48-51  And all JWs who condone this practice, obey men and not Christ.  2 Cor 11:20; Acts 5:29
    Since the Watchtower finally admits that Christendom is not the "anti-typical" Jerusalem, then, as I said here:
     
    ...every prophesy concerning God’s anointed people in the last days, takes place in-house.  This means, Christendom is not the Harlot/false prophet of Rev 13:11.  It also means that the “organization” which the Harlot directs, is not the UN. Rev 13:1
    "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; (Eph 2:20-22)  and if it begins with us first, (the anointed ones) what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? 18 Now
    “If the righteous one is scarcely saved,
    Where will the ungodly and the sinner appear?”  1 Pet 4:17,18
     
    "And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6 Render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7 In the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8 Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who judges her."  Rev 18:4-8
    It is regretful that you are so blind, Allen.  We have strayed very far from the topic; yet, I refer back to the topic by saying those who put their faith in men and an earthly organization, which rules others by it's own laws and decrees, while holding the Bible in one hand, cannot hear what Jesus is telling them.
    “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like.  They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built.  But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”  Luke 6:46-49
     What did Christ say; to come to "Jehovah's organization", or did he say, "come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest."  Matt 11:28   
    The Watchtower calls such individuals who simply do what Jesus said, as apostates; who's faith is apparently "garbage and needs to be torn down."  Rev 13:16,17
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Does the Governing Body Lack Anything?   
    All their immediate needs are met; everything and every form of service is provided for their benefit and is at their fingertips.  Their living circumstances may be even more comfortable than we may assume.  They have the luxury of dressing and eating well, traveling and seeing the world, and personally escorted wherever needed.
    But, they lack one thing.  “Wisdom from above”.  Dan.12:3,9,10; Rev.11:3; 1:1; Isa.5:13; 65:13; Luke16:24,25,26; Matt.25:8,9  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Dan.12%3A3%2C9%2C10%3B+Rev.11%3A3%3B+1%3A1%3B+Isa.5%3A13%3B+65%3A13%3B+Luke16%3A24%2C25%2C26%3B+Matt.25%3A8%2C9&version=NKJV
    “Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by GOOD CONDUCT THAT HIS …
    ~~~~~WORKS~~~~~
     …ARE DONE IN THE MEEKNESS OF WISDOM.”  James 3:13
    “The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction.“  WT 17/2 pp. 23-28   (Matt 7:15-20) https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+7%3A15-20&version=NKJV
    “But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, DO NOT BOAST AND LIE AGAINST THE TRUTH.” James 3:14
    Gerrit Losch, governing body member, speaks on JW Broadcast, March 2018: 
    “So whom do you trust?  You fully trust in Jehovah, Jesus, and the “faithful slave”. 
    “This is not to say that the slave is perfect and never makes mistakes, but Jehovah and Jesus trust the imperfect slave who cares for things to the best of his ability AND WITH THE BEST OF MOTIVES.  Shouldn’t we then trust the imperfect slave as well?”
    “To appreciate the extent of Jehovah’s and Jesus’ trust in the faithful slave reflect on what he has promised its members. He has promised them immortality and incorruption. Soon, JUST BEFORE ARMAGEDDON the remaining members of the slave will be taken to heaven.” **
     “Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ COMPLETELY trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?”
     “This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.  For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there.“  James 3:15,16
    “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be…
    ~~~~~ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS”~~~~~  2 Cor 11:13-15
    King Solomon asked for one thing from God when becoming King.
    And Solomon said to God: “You have shown great and faithful love to my father David, and you have made me king in his place. 9 Lord God, let your promise to my father David now come true. For you have made me king over a people as numerous as the dust of the earth. 10 Now grant me wisdom and knowledge so that I may lead these people, for who can judge this great people of yours?”
    God said to Solomon, “Since this was in your heart, and you have NOT requested riches, wealth, or glory, or for the life of those who hate you, and you have NOT even requested long life, but you have requested for yourself wisdom and knowledge that you may judge my people over whom I have made you king,  wisdom and knowledge are given to you. I will also give you riches, wealth, and glory, unlike what was given to the kings who were before you, or will be given to those after you.”  2 Chron 1:8-12
    The granting of wisdom from God preceded Solomon acquiring great riches.  JWs, remind yourself of what “works” are happening in the organization.
     An extensive history of false prophesy and replaced doctrine (“Beliefs Clarified”), Deut 18:19-22; Jer 23:16; 2 Pet 2:1-3  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deut+18%3A19-22%3B+Jer+23%3A16%3B+2+Pet+2%3A1-3&version=NKJV
    Lawsuits over pedophilia are numerous.  Jer 6:13,14; Ezek 34:2-4; Acts 20:29; Prov 17:15  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jer+6%3A13%2C14%3B+Ezek+34%3A2-4%3B+Acts+20%3A29%3B+Prov+17%3A15&version=NKJV
    JWs are recently banned in Russia and all material assets have been confiscated.   Deut 12:28; 2 Chron 16:7-9; 2 Chron 7:13,14; Isa 48:18; Heb 3:7-13  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=.+++Deut+12%3A28%3B+2+Chron+16%3A7-9%3B+2+Chron+7%3A13%2C14%3B+Isa+48%3A18%3B+Heb+3%3A7-13&version=NKJV
     Disfellowshipping anointed and all for turning to Christ and rejecting the “mark of the Beast”/organization, its lies and idolatry.  Mark 8:31; John 15:20; Matt 5:10,11; John 16:2; Rev 13:15-17; Eph 5:11    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=.++Mark+8%3A31%3B+John+15%3A20%3B+Matt+5%3A10%2C11%3B+John+16%3A2%3B+Rev+13%3A15-17%3B+Eph+5%3A11++++&version=NKJV
    As well as the “trampling” of the Temple anointed priesthood of God by the “man of lawlessness”/elder body. Matt 24:15; Luke 21:24; Dan 11:31,32,36; Rev 11:2  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+24%3A15%3B+Luke+21%3A24%3B+Dan+11%3A31%2C32%2C36%3B+Rev+11%3A2&version=NKJV
    None of this would exist if wisdom and knowledge from God was present in the hearts of its leaders. Isa 29:11; Matt 25:4,11,12; James 1:5; Matt 7:7,8; 1 John 2:27; Heb 8:10  Unsettling turmoil reigns within and outside of its boundaries; and Gerrit Losch is making a desperate, hypocritical attempt at covering the governing body’s earlier admittance of lacking ‘inspiration’ from God’s spirit. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isa+29%3A11%3B+Matt+25%3A4%2C11%2C12%3B+James+1%3A5%3B+Matt+7%3A7%2C8%3B+1+John+2%3A27%3B+Heb+8%3A10++&version=NKJV
    “But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.”  James 3:17
    Who really, has provided the full spectrum of the governing body’s earthly needs?  It isn’t the Father, or Christ.  Satan never promised heavenly wisdom to those who bow down to him, but only the “kingdoms of the world”; which the governing body has been given, with power and authority over God’s Chosen ones, and YOU, JWs!  Matt 4:8,9; Luke 4:5-7; Matt 24:48-51; Rev 13:1,7,8,11,14-17; 2 Thess 2:9-12 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+4%3A8%2C9%3B+Luke+4%3A5-7%3B+Matt+24%3A48-51%3B+Rev+13%3A1%2C7%2C8%2C11%2C14-17%3B+2+Thess+2%3A9-12++&version=NKJV
     Since they have already forfeited their inheritance for all that Satan’s realm provides them, the wisdom from God will never be obtained.  Luke 4:8; James 4:7; 13:2; 16:13,14; Heb 12:14-17; Rev 8:10,11; Amos 8:11; Rev 18:8  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+4%3A8%3B+James+4%3A7%3B+13%3A2%3B+16%3A13%2C14%3B+Heb+12%3A14-17%3B+Rev+8%3A10%2C11%3B+Amos+8%3A11%3B+Rev+18%3A8&version=NKJV
    ARMAGEDDON IS HERE – the spiritual battle of truth against lies fought in the valley of “decision”. Joel 3:14   Notice too, the governing body who is so sure of their heavenly destination, is still on the earth.  Instead of ascending into heaven, this composite Harlot will suffer a shocking blow when the organization brings “her” down.  Rev 17:12-18  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joel+3%3A14%3B+Rev+17%3A12-18&version=NKJV
    (“ARMAGEDDON” 4womaninthewilderness)
    From Pearl Doxsey’s, “Eighth King / Punishment of the Great Harlot”:
    “Many that leave the Org. today, do not do so out of a love of truth. Most reasons are selfish ones.
    But we should take note that Rev.18:4 tells us to get out of the covenant of death ("Babylon the Great") and her present harlot daughter, IF WE DO NOT WANT TO SHARE IN HER SINS AND RECEIVE PART OF HER PLAGUES.
    Getting out of her would no longer be possible, if she is already gone.
        It should also be noted, that God is telling His own people to get out ("my people" Rev.18:4). 
        He is addressing His own priests (1Pet.2:10,9; Eze.37:23,27; 2Cor.6:16; Rev.21:3)
        This is a conundrum for the WT. They teach that "Babylon the Great" is "Christendom".
        Yet they also teach that there are no anointed in "Christendom". So how is it that
        the anointed would be commanded to come out of "Christendom"? 
        No...God's chosen priests are being commanded to come out of what was God's City,
        which has now turned their back on God, under the wicked steward's leadership.”
    **Side note:  The rest of the anointed are now, not considered part of the “faithful and discreet slave” as a result of “new light”.   Their “heavenly reward” apparently is not a done deal, as is the "slave's".
    “Do the other sheep need to know the names of all anointed ones still on earth today? No. Why not? Because it is not possible for anyone to know for sure that these ones will get their reward.”  Wt 16/1 pp. 20-26
    Since this sifting has occurred and only 8 men are considered the “slave”, prophesy of the “wicked slave” has been fulfilled.  This quote from the Wt. alone and Losch’s cocksure words above, shows the demeaning, psychological beating down of its “fellow slaves”.  Matt 24:48-51 (Matt 25:14-30)
    “Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master has put in charge of his household, to give them food at the proper time?” ….rejected and failed doctrine and publications is not “food at the proper time”, or “meat in due season”.  John 6:27; Matt 7:19,20
    “Blessed is that servant whom the master finds doing his job when he comes. 47 Truly I tell you, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48 But if that wicked servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delayed,’ …how many failed Armageddon dates and “this generation” teachings are there? 
     “and starts to beat his fellow servants, and eats and drinks with drunkards,”….who parrots the words of the GB but the elder body given power over the "holy ones" and drunk on the Harlot’s wine?  Whatever decree the GB orders, the elder body carries out, against Christ’s “kings of the earth”.  Rev 17:1-6; 13:1,5-7,11,12-17
    50 that servant’s master will come on a day he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know. 51 He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
    I implore you, JWs, wake up!
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in Could the ancient Jews eat pig fractions?   
    You know what I think is the most enjoyable part of this question and responses? It is that, yes it is silly and comical because of the ridiculousness of the question, it points out the exact same when applied to blood fractions within jws. I know that is the obvious, but you then have those who will make the disgust look on their face (like they smelled something bad) and explain how child like a comment like this is, not realizing that they are promoting exactly the same position. Not only promoting it, but living out such nonsense. 
    Do not tell the emperor he has no clothes!!!!
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Jack Ryan in Could the ancient Jews eat pig fractions?   
    Would a Hebrew have understood the prohibition on pork as meaning he had to avoid "major" pig fractions (ham, bacon, ribs) but "minor" pig fractions like pickled feet and fried pork rinds were ok?
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    And if the GB and Org did their job properly they would announce name of person and sin committed directly from the platform.  Why hide it ? 
    Is it just parents that need to know these things ? No. Quite often grandparents, carers and other congregants take children to the meetings. No longer is the rule that children must sit with their parents at the meetings. Children sit with lots of different people. The  whole congregation should be told directly from the platform. 
    It's because things are kept hidden that the Org now has such a serious problem concerning Child Sex Abuse accusations. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Notification for congregation:
    We inform our brothers to be cautious. Anyone who left the house without an umbrella on a rainy day, could be wet.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
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    No... my statement was EXACTLY correct.
    You are, as you do with defending the indefensible about Watchtower Policy, making excuses as to why Thomas Jefferson is NOT a hypocrite.
    He was.
    PERIOD.
    .  <----------- (period)
    The reason BOTH are hypocrites, is that Thomas Jefferson wanted to keep his money and status, and the Watchtower wants to keep its money and status, and BOTH have twisted what they knew to be true to keep their money and status.
    Accountants and lawyers are now running the WTB&TS, and creating "theocratic policy" ... and their life blood, and mother's milk ......
    .....   is money and status.
    I did give that some thought as I dropped a check into the Kingdom Hall contribution box last weekend .... but I marked it "for local needs".
    The difference is that I am fully aware I am rationalizing .... but I don't know what else to do.

     
    I guess that makes THREE hypocrites ... Thomas Jefferson, the WTB&TS .... and me.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    Policy of the United States of America in the 1800's:
    "All men are created equal, and are endowed by theit Creator with certain unalienable rights. Among these are Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness" - Thomas Jefferson
    Reality in the United States of America in the 1880s:
    "The only good Indian, is a dead Indian"
    And half the nation was controlled by Democrats and had a whole race of men and women enslaved.
    "Policy is one thing ..... reality is quite another."
    In fact. Thomas Jefferson, the author of the first statement, was a slave owner.
    It's always been about money.
    It's about money now.
    "Follow the Money!"
    Money ..... always tells the TRUTH.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    @TrueTomHarley  I remember a case of a brother being reproved from the platform, and as it happens he had previously visited my wife and I, with his wife, to tell us that he was about to be reproved. He had been out with a group of brothers, one of them being an elder, they had gone into Exeter and he had got drunk and been sick on the train home, as he wasn't used to 'going out drinking'.
    One almost funny point though not important, the elder was on holiday overseas when this brother was reproved, so the elder was well out of the way and not involved. But my point is that only a few of us in the congregation knew why this brother was being reproved. 
    The point of that article is that, most people in a congregation DO NOT KNOW WHY THE PERSON IS REPROVED...
    Therefore it is not a protection to those who do not know the 'sin committed'. 
    I remember a tiny bit of scripture whereby the apostle Paul is counselling congregation because a member of said congregation was  having sex with his father's wife. 1 Corinthians 5 v1 & 2
    Actually sexual immorality is reported among you, and such immorality as is not even found among the nations—of a man living with his father’s wife. And are you proud of it? Should you not rather mourn, so that the man who committed this deed should be taken away from your midst?  
    If Paul wasn't frightened to mention the deed and the man then why should the Org be frightened of it ? 
    I fully agree with @James Thomas Rook Jr. when he says :-
    " Having the very best of intentions, and being righteously inclined DOES NOT COUNT if the administrators are policy wonks who are also clueless and self-serving.
    and. "Policy is one thing ..... reality is quite another." 
    I cannot understand why the GB /Org does not announce fully the reason for reproval and reason for disfellowshipping alongwith the person's name.. 
    It would seem worse to me to reprove a person and not give a reason as then the congregants are left being suspicious of the person that was reproved. 
    Tom, you and Space Merchant and a few others seem to believe that just because a 'policy' is written down, that it will always be adhered to. Let's hear it again JTR Jr
    "Policy is one thing ..... reality is quite another."
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in REPROOF FROM THE PLATFORM   
    I've often thought of this point of reproof from the platform. It does nothing positive at all, it just leaves people wondering why the person was reproved.
    And it certainly does not protect the congregation.  
    2019 “Shepherd the Flock of God”: The Problem With Public Reproofs for Child Sex Abuse
    by Alexandra James In January of 2019, elders in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses were issued a new version of their confidential handbook, "Shepherd the Flock of God." This handbook covers, among other topics, when a person should be "reproved."
    For those unfamiliar with the their practices, Jehovah's Witness elders might determine that someone guilty of a serious sin is repentant and will be "reproved" rather than disfellowshipped [excommunicated]. This reproof might be administered privately, or it might include a very brief announcement to the congregation.
    Public Reproofs Are Not a Protection
    The "Shepherd" book makes the claim that a public reproof serves as a "protection" to the congregation against certain dangerous behaviors, such as child sexual abuse; note this statement from chapter 14, "Child Abuse::

    However, this announcement of reproof includes no information about the person's "sinful" behavior, as instructed in chapter 16, "Procedure for Judicial Hearings":

    The "Shepherd" book even outright instructs that a person's sinful acts should not be connected to their reproof, such as when a "warning" talk is given regarding their behavior; also from chapter 16:

    This statement alone demonstrates that the entire "public reproof" arrangement protects no one from congregation members who might pose a danger to others, including children. Simply stating that someone has "been reproved" doesn't warn a congregant of that person's specific behavior, and especially when there is a long list of reasons why someone might be publicly reproved, including:
    Smoking Fornication, adultery Theft Lying, slander Various forms of "apostasy" Severe fits of temper, fighting Drunkenness Using narcotics Taking up boxing After hearing a rather generic announcement that someone has been "reproved," without knowing the actual reason for that reproof, how would congregants know to keep their children away from them? Another congregant might assume that a person being reproved was caught smoking or fornicating with an adult; child sexual abuse might be the last thing they would consider when they hear of someone having been reproved!
    Your Conscience Shouldn't Be Clean
    This begs the question of why Jehovah's Witnesses think that their consciences can be clean in these cases. Elders honestly think that making an announcement of so-and-so having been "reproved" protects the congregation and so they've done their job of keeping people and children safe?
    Nothing can be further from the truth, especially when it comes to child sexual abuse. This "public reproof" arrangement purposely conceals the action that warranted the reproof, so it warns no one about a congregant who might be a danger to their children.
    This announcement does not take away from an elder's complicity in hiding allegations of abuse. Any elder who hears of such a credible allegation and doesn't notify authorities, cooperate with their investigations fully, and then do everything possible to keep a potentially dangerous person away from children shares guilt and blame if that person goes on to molest another child.

    The bottom line is that Jehovah's Witnesses and elders especially have no problem lying to themselves and to the general public about their supposed "protections" for congregants. They shield alleged molesters by purposely ensuring that no information about a particular act is associated with "reproved" persons, and then tell themselves that this passive-aggressive "hinting around" is going to somehow alert congregants to the need to keep their child away from him or her.
    While the authors of these practices and the elders charged with enforcing them might go to bed with a clean conscience, remember it's not them who suffer the consequences of their actions; the elders are not being raped and abused, the men who wrote this "Shepherd" book are not the ones who will be the next victims of these "reproved" persons.
    Their complicity in this horrific act is bad enough, but their smug self-righteousness in thinking that they've somehow done enough to protect children with a generic "reproof" is just another slap across the face of those same children.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    The whole chapter of Jer 5 is earthshaking.  (Amos 9:9; Mark 13:8; Heb 12:26,27)
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Why don't you just say where you are "going with this", Billy?
    "Follow the Money"?

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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Jeremiah 5:6, "Therefore a lion from the forest will slay them. A wolf of the deserts will destroy them.  A leopard is watching their cities. Everyone who goes out of them will be torn in pieces, because their transgressions are many, their apostasies are numerous."  
    Zephaniah 1:4-6 "So I will stretch out My hand against Judah And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem And I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, And the names of the idolatrous priests along with the priests. "And those who bow down on the housetops to the host of heaven, And those who bow down and swear to the LORD and yet swear by Milcom, And those who have turned back from following the LORD, And those who have not sought the LORD or inquired of Him."
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Well the Watchtower / GB / JW Org certainly do the equivalent of offering children in the fire to Molech, with their protection of pedophiles in the Org.  
    And the GB / Org do put the Elders in place of the Anointed. So yes Billy your Watchtower Society do worship false gods and you worship the Watchtower.  
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Jeremiah 5:6, "Therefore a lion from the forest will slay them. A wolf of the deserts will destroy them.  A leopard is watching their cities. Everyone who goes out of them will be torn in pieces, because their transgressions are many, their apostasies are numerous."  
    Zephaniah 1:4-6 "So I will stretch out My hand against Judah And against all the inhabitants of Jerusalem And I will cut off the remnant of Baal from this place, And the names of the idolatrous priests along with the priests. "And those who bow down on the housetops to the host of heaven, And those who bow down and swear to the LORD and yet swear by Milcom, And those who have turned back from following the LORD, And those who have not sought the LORD or inquired of Him."
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    I like how you proposed the question.  It is a very confusing one for the majority of JWs.  In their mind, God and the organization are inseparable, for the last 100 years or so.  God appears to have changed to accommodate the WT organization.  He requires earthly riches now, and buildings; yet, Jesus said, God is Spirit and doesn't require earthly goods or "mountains" from this world where we need to worship.   In fact he said, "true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.  John 4:23
    Would God really change to accommodate the Watchtower organization and require worship to be given Him through earthly means, derived from the area of authority that Satan has power over?  
    “To whom will you compare Me?
        Or who is My equal?” says the Holy One.  Isa 40:25
    Tom will probably answer, an apostate is a person who turns away from "Jehovah" - meaning the organization.   But, perhaps he will surprise me. 
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Tell me TTH, what do you regard as genuine ‘apostasy,’ ?
    Are you one of those that believes that if a person leaves the JW Org they become a non believer in God ?
    What is an apostate in your viewpoint.  It is a person that turns away from a former religion ? Or is it a person that turns away from God ? 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    It's great to read some humour from Billy the child, on here. He is sooo funny. For instance and I quote  :-
    " The Watchtower reverted to being like the first-century apostles with scriptural understanding. The Watchtower in itself is by far the only organization that is keeping Christ commandments. "
    I would really like to know exactly whom Billy means by 'the Watchtower'. He never gives me a straight answer when i ask him.
    To me the Watchtower is a magazine. Yes also the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society. 
    But, who exactly is Billy referring to when he says "The Watchtower reverted to being like the first-century apostles with scriptural understanding" ? Does Billy mean the GB ? or the Writing Department ? Or whom ?  Who knows.
    Anyway this Watchtower society which was formed in 1881 as Zion's Watchtower and renamed in 1896, has made so many blunders that it is completely inadequate for spiritual guidance as it cannot be trusted to provide true facts. It shows itself as not having any guidance from God or by Holy Spirit. 
    If Billy wants to serve an idol, 'The Watchtower', that is of course his choice. However, as Srecko mentioned, serving Almighty God through Jesus Christ, is the correct way to do it. 
    Billy ends his comment with a belter :-
    "  Either you obey Gods laws and commandments, or you don't. It's that simple. How will false religion (false Christendom) accomplish that? "
    Um Billy, I think you have such a bad memory or you just cannot bring yourself to acknowledge the failure of that Society / Organisation which you worship. The Watchtower and it's JW Org do not serve God properly and because they are not chosen by God, they cannot supply the 'right food at the proper time'.  Everything they do is guesswork and when they get it wrong they simply guess again, and get it wrong again. 
    Scripture 'This generation will by no means pass away.' How many times have they changed the meaning of this one ? 
    'The superior authorities'. How many times did they change the meaning of this one and WHY ? 
    Billy the proof is there before your eyes. The Watchtower / GB / JW Org / Society, have no idea of truth and are not guided by God or by holy spirit. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Billy, dear Billy .... even in simple stating your position as believer, you alone put yourself in negative context. 
    Is it some typing error?  Or you purposely wrote how you  obeying God almighty through the Watchtower ?  It would be more better to say... (political correctness :))))))...  through Jesus .  And all would end there. Bible not endorse no one else as Mediator but Jesus Christ.  
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Shiwiii in A CIRCUIT OVERSEER STATES, "YOUR FAITH IS GARBAGE AND NEEDS TO BE TORN DOWN"   
    Billy, dear Billy .... even in simple stating your position as believer, you alone put yourself in negative context. 
    Is it some typing error?  Or you purposely wrote how you  obeying God almighty through the Watchtower ?  It would be more better to say... (political correctness :))))))...  through Jesus .  And all would end there. Bible not endorse no one else as Mediator but Jesus Christ.  
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