Srecko Sostar

An admission of idolatry.  

Billy, dear Billy .... even in simple stating your position as believer, you alone put yourself in negative context. 
Is it some typing error?  Or you purposely wrote how you  obeying God almighty through the Watchtower ?  It would be more better to say... (political correctness :))))))...  through Jesus .  And all would end there. Bible not endorse no one else as Mediator but Jesus Christ.  

We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. - source JWorg
Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. 
Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as;  adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified.
Well, we have different wording but same package of meanings and results: 
Provisional Laws ........ Adjusted our beliefs ...... Scriptures has been clarified. 
 

We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. - source JWorg
Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. 
Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as;  adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified.
Well, we have different wording but same package of meanings and results: 
Provisional Laws ........ Adjusted our beliefs ...... Scriptures has been clarified. 
 

Wow this is all so funny. Billy thinks it is ok for a Witness to use things that seem to pretend they are scripture when those people whom he serves (the GB and it's Writing department) say those things are not scripture.  So then billy thinks that makes him "more of a witness" by using 'fake scripture'. 
Oh dear, when we think on scripture it should make us humble not 'exalt ourselves'. (Matt 23 v 12 )
For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
I think Billy is showing his true colours now. 

We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. - source JWorg
Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. 
Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as;  adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified.
Well, we have different wording but same package of meanings and results: 
Provisional Laws ........ Adjusted our beliefs ...... Scriptures has been clarified. 
 

We have always used the Bible as the sole authority for our beliefs, so we have adjusted our beliefs as our understanding of the Scriptures has been clarified. - source JWorg
Here we have maneuver by JW Clergy Leaders who try to justify, by Bible, how they have made/making changes of Organizational doctrines and beliefs, because they have not understand the Scriptures before (and today too). In meantime, while they were not been aware of false and wrong in own doctrines, they continued to force and run wrong laws inside JW congregations. 
Exactly this and that WTJWORG mandate beliefs, are what can be called by name you used in comment - provisional laws. With time passing, WT Leaders changed doctrines which they presented as Bible Truths and God's Word. After some time they made new doctrines out of old doctrines, and again they called such modified rules-doctrines-laws as Bible Truths and God's Word. They using lexical terminology such as;  adjusted our beliefs .....Scriptures has been clarified.
Well, we have different wording but same package of meanings and results: 
Provisional Laws ........ Adjusted our beliefs ...... Scriptures has been clarified. 
 

When you say Jesus was breaking the laws, which laws are you referring to. God’s laws or the provisional laws set forth by the Pharisees and High Priest. An example of a provisional law was the law Moses applied to divorce. How about the mandate of stoning for adultery.

@BillyTheKid46  You do puzzle me sometimes. 
I really do not think you are a JW at all.  The scripture you have used regarding Adultery is a scripture that is not contained in the NWT, because said scripture is thought to have been a later addition added by a translator and it is quite possible that Jesus never said or did those things. 

God's laws, fulfilled in Christ as the Word. Matt 5:17; John 1:1  Every other "law" or tradition set in place by the corrupted priesthood, oppressed the people: 
Jesus would not expect obedience to the ideologies and traditions of men, which is what he is referring to in the above scripture.  
"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”  Matt 11:28-30
To the Pharisees, Jesus said:
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”
9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:8-13
One of the  many "traditions of men" in the Watchtower is to "curse" one's mother, father, son, or daughter for following Christ''s teachings, which results in the "curse" of spiritual "death".  Rev 13:15  That conveniently locks out all obligations to one's say, parents; thus, more money, more time, more devotion, can be given to "Jehovah's organization" - as pioneers, in special assignments, and as elders.  
You mean, linked to the scriptures that describes the hypocrisy of the Pharisees? They expected obedience to them, and not to Christ.  Today, full obedience must be given to the GB and elder body - over Christ.   Your reasoning is twisted, Allen, in harmony with Watchtower's teachings; and not in harmony with the teachings of Jesus.
"Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”    
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me."  John 14:21,23,24
His commands, not those of the GB who use an army of henchmen to carry out their will.  Matt 24:48-51
 
 
 
 
 

Read, please, WT published material for latest 140 years and you will find examples.... :)) ....even without my help.

Which laws JW's have to obey today ? Laws set by GB? Or Jw's need to imitate Jesus and BREAKING provisional Laws set forth by GB?
This was told before cca 2000 years. I suppose how today Jesus would modified a little his words and say:
Do not practice whatever they tell you that you must obey and doing. First you have to check what they are talking about and why. If you are not sure, then come to me and ask me about. I will help you with your questions. For false messiahs and false prophets performing great signs and wonders to deceive".   

Matt 5:11 - Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me.
Matt 19:29 - And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
Matt 10:39 - Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it. 
What "life" have many "found" and dare not lose?  
"When we use our time to prepare for God’s new world, are we missing out on a better way of life today? No! Serving Jehovah is the best way of life. 
To prepare for everlasting life in the new world, we need to obey the direction from Jehovah’s organization now. WT 15/8/15  pg 19-20
When anyone rejects this "life",  giving full attention to Jesus and the Father only,  division occurs. 
Luke 12:49 - “I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! 51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. 52 From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
The division and persecution for following Christ is experienced among God’s people, just as it was in Jesus’ day. Many claim to follow Jesus Christ around the world, but Jesus gives the indication of who is persecuting God's people.  
John 16:2,3 - "They will put you out of the synagogue (“congregation); in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills (Rev 13:15) you will think they are offering a service to God. 3 They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me."
The synagogue today is where spiritual "Jews"/"Israel" are found.  (Rev 7:4; Rom 9:6; 1 Pet 2:9,10)
Do JWs suffer for Christ’s sake?  No, they suffer on behalf of an organization, but they are taught they suffer because “Jehovah” expects them to have steadfast faith and dedication in an earthly organization under any circumstances. They have created a counterfeit fortress to protect them, instead of relying fully on God.   Dan 11:36-38; Rom 1:25   Those who are ‘put out’ of the congregations for following Christ, are reviled by their own people, in the same way Jesus was.
Matt 11:28-30 - “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble inheart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
Are JWs finding rest as part of “Jehovah’s organization”, or are they experiencing turmoil in nations around the world? 
Ps 106:40-43 -
"Therefore the Lord was angry with his people
    and abhorred his inheritance.
41 He gave them into the hands of the nations,
    and their foes ruled over them.
42 Their enemies oppressed them
    and subjected them to their power.
43 Many times he delivered them,
    but they were bent on rebellion
    and they wasted away in their sin."  
The call is to “come out of her, my people”.  Who’s sins are magnified in front of God; those of Christendom, or those of “Jehovah’s organization” where God’s “chosen” anointed people are found captive to empty philosophy, the misguided teachings of a Harlot and a Beast/organization?  Rev 18:4-8; Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Col 2:8; Rev 13:1,4-10, 11,12,14-17
 
 
 

Just in case this developmental change escaped the notice of JWs:
 
1955/7/1/411:  A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit
 
W 1966/10/1 - We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself.
 
1958,1960, 1973 - On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 
 
1985 - The second is: 
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization? 
 
1987 4/15 - Recently the two questions addressed to baptismal candidates were simplified so that candidates could answer with full comprehension of what is involved in coming into intimate relationship with God and his earthly organization.
 
Simplified for full comprehension of one’s stand taken before God, or before an earthly organization?   It has been a gradual methodical change from what was true in 1955 to 1984, to now baptizing individuals into an idol.  I am clueless why JWs gave this a thumbs up when baptism in the organization has moved completely away from unreservedly dedicating oneself to God to dedication to the organization.    JWs now practice this fully developed lie, with little comprehension of what they are believing, otherwise they would question the change.  Jesus’ command has been stripped down by men and redressed, to “serve/believe the lie”, but which is thoroughly accepted as truth.  2 Thess 2:9-12
 
Then I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming from the dragon’s mouth, from the beast’s mouth,(organization) and from the mouth of the false prophet. (GB)  For they are demonic spirits performing signs, who travel to the kings (anointed Rev 1:5) of the whole world to assemble them for the battle on the great day of God, the Almighty. 15 “Look, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who is alert and remains clothed so that he may not go around naked and people see his shame.” 16 So they assembled the kings at the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.  Rev 16:12-16
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

There seems to be a quiet drift towards removal of any claim of inspiration or infallibility.
When the Feb. 2017 Watchtower did this, it must have been for a reason, almost certainly legal. There's no benefit in admitting their lack of Divine direction otherwise, it's a fundamental part of their scam.
What does the Legal Dept. foresee? Is this change designed to steer towards a deeper legal claim of a contract, as against EU regulations?

The main change is this:
Old : ... identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization?
New: ...identifies you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with Jehovah's organization?
This is a really strange move. They are moving away from saying that they are "spirit-directed by God" to simply stating that they are "Jehovah's organization..."

*** w1955 7/1 411    Christian Baptism for the New World Society *** 
15 A Christian, therefore, cannot be baptized in the name of the one actually doing the immersing or in the name of any man, nor in the name of any organization, but in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. This shows, among other things, that Christianity is not a denominational affair, that sects have nothing to do with it. “Does the Christ exist divided? Paul was not impaled for you, was he? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I am thankful I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.”—1 Cor. 1:13-15, NW. 
*** w1966 10/1 603-4  Serving with Everlasting Life in View *** 
15 This is what we mean when we dedicate our lives to Jehovah. We do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization. No, we dedicate ourselves to the Supreme Sovereign of the Universe, our Creator, Jehovah God himself. This makes dedication a very personal relationship between us and Jehovah. 
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*** w1958 8/1 478  Baptism *** 
22 It is essential that with the mouth a public declaration of faith be made. Two 
questions are therefore asked the candidates: (1) Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ? (2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 23 Everyone who can answer “Yes” to these questions is eligible for baptism and should take this step without hesitation or delay. 
*** w1960 5/15 308  "What Prevents Me from Getting Baptized?" *** 
23 The first question is: Have you recognized yourself before Jehovah God as a sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ? 
24 The second question is: On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 
25 Everyone who has answered “Yes” to these two questions is eligible for baptism and should be baptized at that same circuit or district assembly of Jehovah’s witnesses. 
*** w1973 5/1 280  Baptizing Follows Discipling *** 
we suggest that you consider the following two questions, which are asked of 
candidates for baptism: 
(1) Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his SonJesus Christ? 
(2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit? 
If you find that you can answer “YES” to these questions, then it would be appropriate for you to speak to the presiding overseer in the congregation of Jehovah’s witnesses with which you associate, with a view to getting baptized. 
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*** w1985 6/1 30     Subjecting Ourselves to Jehovah by Dedication *** 
The first question is: 
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will? 
The second is: 
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization? 
Having answered yes to these questions, candidates are in a right heart condition to undergo Christian baptism. 
*** w1987 4/15 12  Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism *** 
By baptism you identify yourself as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s worldwide congregation.
*** w87 4/15 12  Gaining Peace With God Through Dedication and Baptism *** 
Recently the two questions addressed to baptismal candidates were simplified so that candidates could answer with full comprehension of what is involved in coming into intimate relationship with God and his earthly organization.
*** w1989 1/15 13  What Prevents You From Getting Baptized? *** 
for the first of two questions the speaker asks them is: “On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?” Only if the individual answers in the affirmative and also understands that his dedication and baptism identify him as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses in association with God’s spirit-directed organization can he acceptably undergo water immersion. 
*** knowledge 176  18 Make It Your Aim to Serve God Forever *** 
 Baptism ‘in the name of the holy spirit’ signifies that the baptismal candidate 
recognizes Jehovah’s holy spirit, or active force, as God’s instrument for carrying out His purposes and for empowering His servants to do His righteous will in association with His spirit-directed organization.

I just checked again, now.   Someone has re-posted the "Men's Version" of the video.   Here is the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e61uLNI9ku4
The free program, Freemake Video Downloader, can be used to download it to your hard drive, should you want to do so, before it is gone, again.

Honestly, I cannot bring myself to watch the video.

I do not think so ..... a careful review of their facial expressions and the lurid detail, specifically enumerated, leads me to believe the two GB Helpers were being severely punished to make these two videos ... and the nuttiness of the logic and explanations given specifically to exonerate non-contact sexual  "circle jerks" as NOT being pornea .... which they did.

It’s a typical two-sided coin for JWs to make sense of, or remain thoroughly confused by it.
They must be convinced they’re “proud of the organization”’ thus, proud to be a JW.
    “ Are you not proud to be part of an organization that cares so much for its members?”
     “Do you feel proud to be part of an organization in which people truly love one another?”
      Both quotes from the same magazine -  w 14/12/15
Other side of the coin:
   “Proud people reject the idea that they need to be taught anything” w19 January pp. 1-32
We see that in action.   JWs shut down all conversation at the cart or when speaking to an “apostate”.  Some here, excluded.
“One definition of pride is inordinate self-esteem. That kind of pride gives one an improper feeling of self-importance and superiority, perhaps because of beauty, race, rank, talents, or wealth. (James 4:13-16) The Bible speaks of men being “puffed up with pride.” (2 Timothy 3:4) In other words, they have an inflated opinion of themselves, one that is unjustified.”
g 3/07 pp. 20-21
JWs must be proud to be a part of the organization, "puffed up with pride" over belonging to it;  but also humble at the same time; otherwise they are not happy.  Are they happy also when they are proud?  I haven’t looked it up.
“Why do those who are part of God’s organization need to be humble? 8 Those who are humble are happy in God’s organization and support the way things are done in the congregation.   A humble person supports the elders and the way things are done in the congregation” ws12 11/15 pp. 
Can one be humble and proud at the same time for the same reason – being part of a religious, hypocritical organization?  Ps 18:27; Prov 8:13; 16:18; 1 John 2:16
Now that I finally have the opportunity to see Watchtower’s contradictions placed side by side, I wonder how I lasted as long as I did in the organization, without going insane.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Read, please, WT published material for latest 140 years and you will find examples.... :)) ....even without my help.

Which laws JW's have to obey today ? Laws set by GB? Or Jw's need to imitate Jesus and BREAKING provisional Laws set forth by GB?
This was told before cca 2000 years. I suppose how today Jesus would modified a little his words and say:
Do not practice whatever they tell you that you must obey and doing. First you have to check what they are talking about and why. If you are not sure, then come to me and ask me about. I will help you with your questions. For false messiahs and false prophets performing great signs and wonders to deceive".   

At least three or four times a month, someone will post something like:
I am proud to be a JW
Seriously, what is up with that? I am not trying to be disrespectful. But I never see anyone here post "I am proud to be a Christian".
If you are "proud" to be a JW, it almost sounds like you are boasting about having accomplished a goal, that you were able to do something that others can't do.
It almost sounds like you are saying that your salvation is because of something you accomplished on your own.

Very good comment @Srecko Sostar Exactly true. 
 

my quote: HE was breaking The Law (Old Testament ... and Your's) 
He was breaking The Law, because Anointed Legal Priesthood (similar to WTJWORG GB today) of those time said so ! :)))))   
Elders and Priests, almost all Spiritual Elders and Shepherds of Israel in Jerusalem and in other places where they came in conversation and discussion with Jesus, showed by Their Interpretations of Holy Scriptures, that Jesus was breaking God's Rules and Commands.    
So, to who should/would you believe that speaking the true? To Man from Nazareth? Or to established Priesthood? :)))
To who JWs should/would believe? To some individuals? Or to established GB and Their Interpretations?