Srecko Sostar

Sometimes ... MANY times ... Justice requires going above and BEYOND the law, without breaking it.
Taking the MORAL high ground often requires losing everything you own, and all your money and assets, and sometimes even your life, in a miserable and degraded manner, in abject and total poverty, as Jesus was the exemplar, and many of his Apostles and disciples  learned.
Remember the Assembly theme "Follow Jesus"?
How'se dat workin' out fer us?

EXACTLY:
Anything ... anything at all ....  that the Elders become aware of that is an actual crime ... as defined by the Secular Authorities ... should be reported to the appropriate  Secular Authorities.
That is the Law of GOD !
In a similar manner, we ALSO should not do our own dental work, and heart surgery.
Deciding for ourselves whether or not it is REQUIRED ... puts Caesar holding the moral high ground, and makes cowards out of us.
FOR MONEY.
We have a greater responsibility to God, the Brotherhood,  and the community we live in, than trying to preserve accumulated piles of money, and magnificent and valuable Real Estate.
We have World Centers in NY, and Embassies all over the world (Branch Offices).
In Cairo, Egypt, the Egyptians tried that with the Pyramids ...
... as they and their civilization turned to ruin and dust.
King Tut .... gave his life for Tourism!
 
Jesus did not even have a rented single room to sleep in, or even one suitcase with a change of clothes. 
Remember the Assembly theme "Follow Jesus"?
How'se dat workin' out fer us?
 

JW WORLD HEADQUARTERS RELOCATION ..mp4  
 

???  I don't know those men, but i know You.  hehehe
Thanks for kind words, BUT what this have with "elders private thoughts on buying milk, going to pick up kid in school", or similar useless NOTES  inside/between other notes about Child molestation cases before Court or before WT elders?
If your elders making such useless notes in investigation or judicial process inside congregation, that would be of no help or benefit for victims,  maybe only for accused one.
When WT elders serves in parallel (illegal) juridical system inside One and Only Legal State Juridical System, that is the problem. It is not "problem" do i know more or less or nothing about US or EU laws.  
WT top lawyers in Warwick should, must know that detail. Elders in WTinc. which is in fact Private Entrepreneurship-Enterprise in the name of God, should to learn how their working specter inside The Church is about spiritual and doctrinal issues of members. Things that are Covered by Secular laws (in this topic that is sex abuse inside WT or any other institution) should be given to Secular authority to handle. 
 
 

I think BillytheKid46 was referring to "Ho Ho Ho Ho:  - -   - -  - -  - -  - - ", followed by "Bah!, Humbug!"

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Oh. Unless he means the hehehehe:)))))))
But I have not thought that attributed to a language or grammar barrier.

Excellent question !

Because their Real Estate holdings were not in jeopardy in those other countries.

Billy, it is true how my English is weak. But please, take it seriously how i do not care if some elder, while he is sitting in serious Judicial Committee chair,  thinking about shopping the milk, planing to go to pick kid in kinder school, or making drawings of flowers on his private paper. If they doing so while discussing serious matters than they must find another job and not be in position of "shepherds".   
You Billy are so funny with this sort of thoughts. But in tragic way. 

To put ex-witnesses and opposers in one place seems possible. But you need to be more positive about your "fake brothers". Give chance to those you named "fake" :)))) Love covers all sins. 
Elders and Personal thoughts - memos. Elders are official agents for WT.  They have personal thoughts, for sure. But in standard procedures, judicial investigations and judging, all memos and thoughts are not Personal but Official. In every legal step about members, in every advice, in conversation in back room with two or more elders - nothing is "Personal". Personal is out of Record. One on One. No one else listening our conversation.
All things about molestation inside JW church are not just "personal, private issue". Because of elders reaction, matter comes to be Public issue, Legal issue, Court issue. All elders thoughts put on memos, records, notes about such things are no more "private". All that must be secured and preserve, save for future eventuality.
Other problem with elders handling things is in this, because member on the bench, have no right to make personal notes, to record all conversation, to have own lawyer, or at least the witness on his side in such situations.  

... of course, and WT is also one of the system players with or without implemented secular or non secular laws and procedures and all possible interpretations of that laws, regulations, internal and outside rules.
All that makes them, WTJWorg, as any other Organization. Worldly or Divinely, all failed. And all of them have strong tendency, intention to hide own wrongs. Hide own but to point with finger on other Organizations.
WT publications has many articles about, for example Catholic Church, and child abuse made by priests (not need to mention many emphasized things about "spiritual adultery", revealed by WT, about Roman Church and others churches. What Catholic magazine, or from some other religious org., systematically, for decades "attacks" WTJWorg? I am not reader of any religious publications today. In past i was reading only WT magazines, because it was and it is forbidden by WT to have and to read any other, different religious material that is not published by WT. 

Excuse me for a moment ! 
WT choose to play by the secular rules when that suites to them, when not, they ask for different treatment and are disobedient to secular authority.  DOUBLE Standards !

Because the Vision of this secular people have Clear Sight on this matter. They using right/correct terminology. WT have hierarchical structure with Clergy, Businessman, Lawyers and Supporters/Members.

Priests would be added to the list of professions if the legal changes are accepted. 
Justice is slow but sometimes it happens. ;))

Billy, it is true how my English is weak. But please, take it seriously how i do not care if some elder, while he is sitting in serious Judicial Committee chair,  thinking about shopping the milk, planing to go to pick kid in kinder school, or making drawings of flowers on his private paper. If they doing so while discussing serious matters than they must find another job and not be in position of "shepherds".   
You Billy are so funny with this sort of thoughts. But in tragic way. 

Daily Mail Article

“The court ruled that the church had no obligation to warn the congregation that the member had admitted to previously molesting his stepdaughter.”
Um, i wonder what God's thoughts on the matter are though ?  
How exactly is it protecting the children in the congregation or outside by keeping it secret ? 

To put ex-witnesses and opposers in one place seems possible. But you need to be more positive about your "fake brothers". Give chance to those you named "fake" :)))) Love covers all sins. 
Elders and Personal thoughts - memos. Elders are official agents for WT.  They have personal thoughts, for sure. But in standard procedures, judicial investigations and judging, all memos and thoughts are not Personal but Official. In every legal step about members, in every advice, in conversation in back room with two or more elders - nothing is "Personal". Personal is out of Record. One on One. No one else listening our conversation.
All things about molestation inside JW church are not just "personal, private issue". Because of elders reaction, matter comes to be Public issue, Legal issue, Court issue. All elders thoughts put on memos, records, notes about such things are no more "private". All that must be secured and preserve, save for future eventuality.
Other problem with elders handling things is in this, because member on the bench, have no right to make personal notes, to record all conversation, to have own lawyer, or at least the witness on his side in such situations.  

Excuse me for a moment ! 
WT choose to play by the secular rules when that suites to them, when not, they ask for different treatment and are disobedient to secular authority.  DOUBLE Standards !

... of course, and WT is also one of the system players with or without implemented secular or non secular laws and procedures and all possible interpretations of that laws, regulations, internal and outside rules.
All that makes them, WTJWorg, as any other Organization. Worldly or Divinely, all failed. And all of them have strong tendency, intention to hide own wrongs. Hide own but to point with finger on other Organizations.
WT publications has many articles about, for example Catholic Church, and child abuse made by priests (not need to mention many emphasized things about "spiritual adultery", revealed by WT, about Roman Church and others churches. What Catholic magazine, or from some other religious org., systematically, for decades "attacks" WTJWorg? I am not reader of any religious publications today. In past i was reading only WT magazines, because it was and it is forbidden by WT to have and to read any other, different religious material that is not published by WT. 

... of course, and WT is also one of the system players with or without implemented secular or non secular laws and procedures and all possible interpretations of that laws, regulations, internal and outside rules.
All that makes them, WTJWorg, as any other Organization. Worldly or Divinely, all failed. And all of them have strong tendency, intention to hide own wrongs. Hide own but to point with finger on other Organizations.
WT publications has many articles about, for example Catholic Church, and child abuse made by priests (not need to mention many emphasized things about "spiritual adultery", revealed by WT, about Roman Church and others churches. What Catholic magazine, or from some other religious org., systematically, for decades "attacks" WTJWorg? I am not reader of any religious publications today. In past i was reading only WT magazines, because it was and it is forbidden by WT to have and to read any other, different religious material that is not published by WT. 

I an glad you expressed that sentiment as your opinion ... therefore I have no objection.
However, if you keep up with published COURT TRANSCRIPTS of testimonies by our "Clergy", under oath before God and man, you will see that not only are Sreko Sostar's observations valid ... but the Society's positions and reasonings have been exposed as duplicitous, and contrary to the principles of justness and fairness, and just plain common decency. 
They have ticked off and ran the patience of many Judges.  
I realize on this forum not many people follow threads that closely, so holding people accountable for not  knowing everything is  unrealistic , and not fair.
Two things you can do to minimize arguments between me and you, and help me to understand your viewpoints more effectively.
1.) When you have opinions, considered or grabbed out of the air, please state them AS your opinions. It keeps me from hyperventilating.
2.) Make your text BIGGER, so I can read it.
Thanks.
JTR
 
 

In their Application Letter, WT said this, I quote: 
2) Witness literature often carried sharp criticism of flagrant human rights violations in Nazi Germany. his was true of Witness literature produced and distributed clandestinely within Nazi-occupied Europe, as well as Witness literature published internationally. The Gestapo was well aware of the critical and revealing content of the literature, and thus they expended extraordinary effort to expose and destroy the secret printing facilities. They confiscated printing equipment, burned stocks of literature whenever it was found, and hunted down and executed many of those involved with the underground work. Thus, the nonviolent resistance offered by the Witnesses increased in financial, material, and physical losses they sustained.
How about Sharp Criticism in WT literature about other religious, political and, economical systems in the world? Yes, WT criticism going to the point to declare how all will be destroyed because rejecting JHVH and opposing to His WT-JW Organization.  
UN Organization is also under WT criticism. WT literature is full of description how this worldly organization is bad, wild beast. But, despite such standpoint WT has been part of UN as non-governmental  organization for one decade (1992-2001) In that period of time WT publication praised UN and how they try to make earth better place for living for all human.
In example of Rutherford Letter to Hitler we see how he/they try to pleased him and even say how they have similar or the same principles as Reich. What if millions of JW's Letters to Putin is not enough and WT GB decide to send a Private Letter to President Putin? Will GB say the same things as Rutherford? 

The Holocaust Victim Assets Litigation (Swiss Banks) CV-96-4849 is a fund to compensate people suffering from the Holocaust. As stated at swissbankclaims.com/index.asp (3 Mar 2006);

Um, so, if all are Ministers in the JW Org, then all those that commit the crime of Child Abuse in the Org are Ministers.
So it could rightly be said that JW Ministers commit Child Abuse. Some of those ministers are JW Clergy  
Child Abuse is not funny, but this forum is funny. 
 

This is NOT true ... from the legal sources you yourself quoted earlier ... go back and read your own citations.
Your agenda has clouded your reading comprehension and perception skills.
If we lable OURSELVES Clergy, which the Society HAS DONE .... we are saddled with the law regarding Clergy
In the United States, the government cannot label your religious affiliated people "Clergy" ... separation of Church and State. They cannot even question you about ANY beliefs or labels you GIVE YOURSELVES.
It is the WTB&TS that is claiming CLERGY PRIVILEGE ... not them ( the government) assigning it, which is illegal.