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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Grey Reformer in Are Wrongly Disfellowshipped People Automatically Reinstated?   
    That depends on what you mean, new light. 1914 stands as it always has. Therefore, no one that I can think of has been disfellowshipped for an error in their of opinion they might have. There are former witnesses that have challenged the Watchtower doctrine by authorship and have been disfellowshipped, but only at a cost of them being wrong in their understanding.

    However, the Watchtower is run by God’s Holy Spirit, not individual men as many former witnesses now contend, regardless of how that view is made by obscured opinions.

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Are Wrongly Disfellowshipped People Automatically Reinstated?   
    The way that disfellowshipping is handled today has only one purpose ... to maintain the powers structure of the Governing Body.
    If a person was disfellowshipped for being right ... he is NOT automatically reinstated ... the fact that he was right makes his crime ESPECIALLY grievous.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Gerrit Lösch   
    It can be that he had nothing with Jose Lopez vs Gonzalo Campos case.

    But with this statement i can say how it is not true. What is Watchtower? Watchtower is First Corporation, Mother, and all other Products of WT entities are Sister companies, or more clearly said, All of them are WT Daughters Companies. Every Single Congregation in The World are in submission to WT and Main Church Body aka GB as Ecclesiastical Body who Run the Show of this religion. WT is Mother organization for all JW members. CCJW and similar Entities or Corporations are just one of Daughters of her Mother aka WT. https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200276704/0/0
    If WT decide to close the KH in your town, in your village - it will be. If WT decide to split your congregation into 2,3,4, 24 pieces - it will be. If WT decide to disband whole congregation - it will be. If WT decide to change way of how Publisher will reporting Field Service it will be .......etc.
    WT have means and agents and protocols/system how to dfd JW members for this or that reason. And as in case of R.F. if WT decide to dfd G.L. it will be.
    So, GB member G.L. talking stupid things as in No. 9 deposition. He has been and it is now Under WT authority as any other JW member.        
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Gerrit Lösch   
    Gerrit Losch: 

    Geoffrey Jackson:
     MR STEWART:   Q.   Mr Jackson, will you state your full  name and your work address, please?         
     A.   Yes, my name is Geoffrey William Jackson, and I work  at 25 Columbia Heights, but the mailing address is  124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, New York.
     A.   If I may be allowed to explain, each Governing Body  member has a home committee where his office is based. 
    A.   Yes.  With regard to my role, each member of the  Governing Body ‐ of course, there are seven at the moment ‐  each brings something to the table with regard to  expertise.
    A. ..... So the  Governing Body is broken up into various committees.....  A.   There is a ‐ yes, ultimately, the Governing Body               oversees the work of the committees,....
    So verse 4 describes the role of the Governing Body as we  see it, to devote ourselves to prayer and the word of God,  and that's why 30 helpers have been assigned that are  involved more with the practical side of policy and implementation.
    The Watchtower:
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200272475/30/4
    18. How does the Governing Body operate, and what is one way that we can reflect our cooperation with it?
    18 The committees of the Governing Body hold weekly meetings to review important matters, make decisions after prayerful considerations, and plan for future theocratic activity. As noted earlier, Acts chapter 15 shows that a weighty question needing resolution was referred to the first-century governing body for attention. Similarly today, important questions are referred to the entire Governing Body, which meets weekly or more often when necessary. 
    19. How do instructions of the Governing Body reach the congregations?
    19 How do the instructions and decisions of the Governing Body reach the congregations? After the members of the first-century governing body reached their decision with the help of God’s spirit, they sent a letter to the congregations. (Acts 15:22-29) However, the principal way today is through Christian publications.
    Conclusion: Prior to July 1 1994 Gerrit Losch was not working as GB member according to his deposition in document. BUT after that day and until today he working in WT building and has Office in WT building, so WT giving him (and to his wife too) a Job, Accommodation aka Place to sleep, Food to Eat, Water to Drink, Money for spending, Health Care, Insurance and other things that is required by The US Law for WT Corporation and Full Time Religious Ministers, Order,, Inside JW Church, or simply said Clergy. 
    Because Gerrit Losch is GB member as Geoffrey Jackson, this two men /plus other in GB Team) are Fully responsible for all WT Corporation deeds. Who giving Whom Orders, and Who giving Whom answers is Their Internal Game. But All people involved in WT Business of all Kind are One Team and all of them Contribute to decisions. GB is Ultimate Body of WT and all other Legal Entities, so they are Fully Responsible before their God and before Secular Authority.   
    All other "Stories" they Presenting to Public, and Their Internal games of Power and Influence, Competition, is Normal for Human Organization as it is also for Heavenly Organization which went through same or similar "fighting for Power and Influence over other", according to Bible reports.   
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Are Wrongly Disfellowshipped People Automatically Reinstated?   
    No, they had not been dfd for knowing the truth. They had  been DFD for not obeying WT leaders and their explanation what is the truth. "1914 generation" and "generation"  WT explanations versions  from then until today are questionable, and by that to be called "truth" is not recommended. By that DFD members, who had been in disagree with past, old  explanation/s, and  had "advanced explanation" that was later WT put in legal use, are not in benefit in no way.       
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in AN IDOL IN "GOD'S HOUSE"? WT. CANADIAN BETHEL   
    This rock statue housed in the Canadian Watchtower Bethel was brought to my attention when watching a video.  The blue sign says,
    “Often defined as “that which acts in the capacity of a human”, these giant landmarks have been use as markers and for navigation by the peoples in Canada’s far north.  Just like the Inuksuk, our literature is able to speak on our behalf in hard to reach places”
    Please go to this link to receive insight on the spiritual meaning of the pagan idol Inuksuk:
    http://ca.paganfederation.org/the-history-and-meaning-of-the-inuksuk/
    I hope you can perceive how its symbolism connects with Watchtower’s definition of itself.  I hope you are capable of looking beyond the apparent superficial, innocent motivation to relate the magazine preaching work to the Inuksuk’s image, and can determine that an idol is now housed within an IDOL.  In my opinion, the Inuksuk’s definition reflects the presumed ideology of the elder body/Man of Lawless presently ruling over the true House of God, the anointed Temple.   Thess 2:3,4; 1 Pet 2:5,9;  1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16-18; Eph 2:20-222
    ("Christ's Return - When?" - Pearl Doxsey, 4womaninthewilderness)
    Yes, the Watchtower and its various “Bethels” are a composite idol.   “Bethel” means “house of God”, the dwelling place of God.  Before the Watchtower organization came along God had already began building His dwelling place, when He chose “living stones” to join Christ’s Body.  1 Pet 2:5,9,10; John 2:19-22; 1 Cor 6:15
    "Jehovah's Witnesses" believe that the physical buildings and the work that is conducted from within them, is a manifestation of God's house ("Beth-el" = "house of God" Hebrew)...His place of worship, and the dwelling of His spirit. 
    I firmly state that this is not only impossible, but it is blasphemy for the "Watchtower" to assume the identity of "Bethel". I propose that the facilities and operations that define the "Watchtower"... it's Headquarters, Branch Offices, and Kingdom Halls, strongly indicate where their power originates, and it is not with God. 
    Of course, such assertions have to be proven by scriptural references, if they are true.

    God himself knows where His resting place is, and what sort of house in which his spirit dwells. His Word, tells us these things. It is vital to compare His words to what we observe the "Watchtower" to be, as well as what it claims, regarding itself. By means of God's Truth, we are enabled to open our eyes, and wake up!

    Where is the resting place of God's spirit on earth?

    Isa 66:1,2:
    "This is what the Lord says:
    'Heaven is my throne,
    and the earth is my footstool.
    Where is the house that you would build for me,
    and where will my resting place be?
    2 All these things my hand has made,
    and so all these things came into being,”
    declares the Lord.
    “But this is the one to whom I will look favorably:
    to the one who is humble and contrite in spirit,
    and who trembles at my message."
    God states that He has made the earth and everything in it.
    "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and DOES NOT LIVE IN TEMPLES BUILT BY HUMAN HANDS." (Acts 17:24)
    Where then, does his spirit rest on earth... His footstool?

    Ps 132:7-9,13,14: 
    “Let us go to his dwelling place,
        let us worship at his footstool, saying,
    ‘Arise, Lord, and come to your resting place,
        you and the ark of your might.
    May your priests be clothed with your righteousness;
        may your faithful people sing for joy.’”For the Lord has chosen ZION,
    desiring it as his dwelling place.
    “This is my resting place forever.
    Here I will live,
    because I desire to do so."
    Remember Isa.66:2 B?
    "But this is the one to whom I will look favorably:
    to the one who is humble and contrite in spirit,
    and who trembles at my message."

    Yes, God will dwell in Mt. Zion. 
    Where would the location of God's Temple be, in our physical realm? 
    Christ is the cornerstone of that Temple, and the living stones added upon the foundation of apostles and prophets (Eph 2:20-22), are those whom God chooses...
    the humble, dejected by the world, and God-fearing. His spirit comes to dwell within them (1 Pet 2:5; 1 Cor 3:16,9; 6:19; Heb 3:6; Luke 17:21; 1 Cor 2:9-12)
    So, God's "Bethel" is not physical at all, but spiritual (Heb 3:6). His true worshipers worship IN SPIRIT AND TRUTH (John 4:23,24; Ps 51:17,18)... not in million dollar construction projects, or a billion dollar corporation (John 18:36).
    It is to be a spiritual house of prayer forever.
    (Isa 56:7; 2:3; Matt 21:13,12; Rev 13:11,16,17; 9:21; Matt 11:12; 2 Thess 2:7; Mal 3:8,7; Isa 10:1-3; 1:23) (Ma55:24:49B); Isa 3:14,15; Micah 2:2; Dan 8:10-14,17,19,23,24; (Jer 30:3; 31:4,23; John 2:19; Rev 11:11)
    Pearl Doxsey - "Where is Bethel?"
     


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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    Every person can act on his own to represent others, just as G. Jackson did.  No, he had nothing to do with the case and I don't believe Jackson had anything to do with the primary case in Australia.  He barely knew the case. 
    It is always easier to run from trouble than to face what trouble may come.  
    For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval.  Rom 13:3
    Think about the case.  Did the Watchtower "do what is good" to begin with?
    What I notice Anna, you generally seem unfazed by scripture and its meaning.  I do hope that changes.   
    Oh, yes.  It’s the job of I don’t know how many, Watchtower lawyers. The GB makes the doctrine, the elders uphold it whether it is sound from a human standpoint or not, and the lawyers step in to defend an illogical doctrine that has caused misery and havoc throughout the congregations. 
    The WT:  “And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads. On its horns were ten crowns,and on its heads were blasphemous names.   The beast I saw was like a leopard, its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. The dragon gave the beast his power, his throne, and great authority.
     The beast was given a mouth to utter boasts and blasphemies. It was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme his name and his dwelling (1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16;Eph 2:20-22) —those who dwell in heaven. (Heb 12:22) 7 And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them.
    ws16 January p. 20
    w02 8/1 p. 10-11
    ws17 March p. 3
     It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation. 8 All those who live on the earth will worship it, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world in the bookof life of the Lamb who was slaughtered.
    The GB:   Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. (a false prophet; as if representing truth in Christ)    12 It exercises all the authority of the first beast on its behalf and compels the earth and those who live on it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 
    w 14/5/15 p. 28,29 -  If we are to have Jehovah’s favor and blessing as individuals, we must support his organization and accept adjustments in our understanding of the Scriptures.
    It deceives those who live on the earth because of the signs that it is permitted to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who live on the earth to make an image (The anointed reflect the “image” of God’s Temple; the elder body reflect the image of “Jehovah’s organization”.  Isa 40:25; 46:5) of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 It was permitted to give breath (spirit, life; “spirit-directed”) to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. (disfellowshipped)
    w61 6/15 p. 371 - It is a serious thing to disfellowship a person, because it means that the person is cut off from God’s organization, from life. 
      They worshiped the dragon because he gave authority to the beast. And they worshiped the beast,
    Kingdom Ministry 8/82 pg 1:  “Loyalty and godly devotion are essentials of true WORSHIP. (2 Tim. 2:19) Jehovah God rightly expects each of us to maintain a devoted attachment to him AND his visible earthly organization.”
    saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to wage war against it?”  Rev 13:4
    What a joy it is to be a part of Jehovah’s marvelous organization and to observe the vast difference between those serving Jehovah and those not serving him. w18 October pp. 17-21
    There was just the one ark that survived the Flood, not a number of boats. And there will be only one organization—God’s visible organization—that will survive the fast-approaching “great tribulation.” You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth p. 255
    But Jehovah’s servants already belong to the only organization that will survive the end of this wicked system of things.  W07/12/15 p. 14
     
    Pearl Doxsey - Harlot and Beast, 4womaninthewilderness
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Gerrit Lösch   
    God and Jesus Christ definitely don't, that's for sure . 
    It's run by 8 men who are mainly american and mainly white. 
    That tells a lot about an org. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    Thank you, Anna.  I had already read it, and I understand what you are saying.   I thought it was all about not only showing respect and honor to the authorities, but giving a good “witness” for your faith.   
    I can’t think of one instance where a news article concerning a child abuse case stated the governing body of the Watchtower was contacted and their answer was…  Always it is, not available for comment, refused to comment, failed to comment, couldn’t be contacted.  As I recall, getting G. Jackson to appear in Australia was not an easy task.  Can the GB claim to lead a spiritual people as Moses did, or compare themselves to the apostles, and also act as weasels?  Moses and the apostles represented the true God in Holy Spirit, which gives the weak courage and motivation to speak truth. 
    “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake. 13 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony.”  Luke 21:12,13
    “But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.”  Mark 13:11 
    Losch/Loesch (which is the correct spelling) was asked to “testify” for the organization, not for Christ.  This is the difference, a hypocritical organization couldn’t give him courage to “witness” in truth.  If the organization was guiltless before God and had His approval and blessing, would its leaders hesitate in the least to stand before anyone and defend their “decrees” and beliefs?  They would be “inspired” to do so. 
    But the following night the Lord stood by him and said, “Be of good cheer, Paul; for as you have testified for Me in Jerusalem, so you must also bear witness at Rome.”  Acts 23:11
    But Festus answered that Paul should be kept at Caesarea, and that he himself was going there shortly. 5 “Therefore,” he said, “let those who have authority among you go down with me and accuse this man, to see if there is any fault in him.”
    6 And when he had remained among them more than ten days, he went down to Caesarea. And the next day, sitting on the judgment seat, he commanded Paul to be brought. 7 When he had come, the Jews who had come down from Jerusalem stood about and laid many serious complaints against Paul, which they could not prove, 8 while he answered for himself, “Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all.”  Acts 25:4-8
     But Festus, wanting to do the Jews a favor, answered Paul and said, “Are you willing to go up to Jerusalem and there be judged before me concerning these things?”
    10 So Paul said, “I stand at Caesar’s judgment seat, where I ought to be judged. To the Jews I have done no wrong, as you very well know. 11 For if I am an offender, or have committed anything deserving of death, I do not object to dying; but if there is nothing in these things of which these men accuse me, no one can deliver me to them. I appeal to Caesar.”
    12 Then Festus, when he had conferred with the council, answered, “You have appealed to Caesar? To Caesar you shall go!”  Acts 25:9-12
    I believe Losch knows his weakness, that he knows in his heart that Christ has become a stumbling block before him, because he has chosen to put faith in another “house”, which he realizes can’t deliver him out of trouble.    1 Pet 2:7,8; Matt 7:24-27; Eph 2:20-22
    For Christ's sake; yes, you do.  
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    In one hand you said good, BUT, we always have that word BUT.
    G.L. as  "Substitution for Christ" according to NWT Bible, and as "Ambassador for Kingdom", when was accept this WT Legal Department Deposition, forget small detail from Bible:
      If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40 if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well; 41 and if someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two.…
    So, yes, as Witness was said, Gerrit has acted not brave, and not according to His Master Words, Advice, Command.
    But hey, we are all  just Imperfect Humans, why to blame his deeds. Why to blame JW rank and file members or even elders, when they get a cigarette smoke, get to much beer,  or sex out of marriage? I said you why! Because People on Position made such Rules for rank and file, for Am Haarets people, NOT for Noble Ones. As always.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Baptism of Children by Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Perhaps he is trying to follow Christ’s path, and expose the lies and hypocrisy.  ❤️ Matt 3:1-3;John 8:44; 2 Cor 10:4-6
    We don’t walk away “happy” from the organization. If your emotional and spiritual heart is ripped in two, it takes time to recover.  Matt 24:9,21, Luke 12:53  It takes time to start all over again, learning how we were stumbled, through scripture untainted by men’s doctrine.  It takes time to build a true relationship with the Father and Christ outside of men’s orchestrated doctrinal demands.  Eventually, faith and peace is achieved by understanding the true Shepherd is watching over his sheep, protecting them until he returns.  Matt 5:1-12; John 10:1-5; Luke 15:4-7
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    I was wondering if someone would bring that out.  Of course, it is all legal.  He was saved from showing face by a Watchtower lawyer who created for him legal jargon to avoid showing in court.  As a member of the GB – “faithful and discreet slave” - he didn’t even have the courage and integrity to represent them.  He could have respectfully shown as directed and explain it in person.  
    How faithful is he to scripture?
     Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God. 2 So then, the one who resists the authority is opposing God’s command, and those who oppose it will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have its approval. 
    That is where it starts – “do what is good.” 
    4 For government is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, because it does not carry the sword for no reason. For government is God’s servant, an avenger that brings wrath on the one who does wrong. 5 Therefore, you must submit, not only because of wrath, but also because of your conscience. 
    Is he afraid?  Is his conscience seared?  1 Tim 4:1,2 
    6 And for this reason you pay taxes, since the authorities are God’s public servants, continually attending to these tasks. 7 Pay your obligations to everyone: taxes to those you owe taxes, tolls to those you owe tolls, respect to those you owe respect, and honor to those you owe honor.  Rom 13:1-7
    With all the evidence of the GB’s “work” and responsibilities that has been brought out here, how can anyone dismiss Loesch’s obvious lack of courage and integrity to confront a serious claim against “Jehovah’s organization” that he and his fellow “slaves” direct?
    Is that all that really matters?  That it is legal?  Where is the spiritual responsibility toward the organization and the people who look to the GB as leaders, as shepherds?  Should JWs defend his act of cowardliness when JW children in school are ridiculed before classmates and teachers for not saluting the flag?
    It’s just more evidence that Holy Spirit is not present with its leaders.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in Gerrit Lösch   
    The declaration is legal speak and is absolutely correct from a legal point of view.
    Gerrit Losch has never been a corporate officer........employee.......etc. of WT,  and as an INDIVIDUAL he has never had or has authority to make or determine any policy for WT or any other department. This can only be done collectively as the GB with all 8 members participating.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    “I do not direct, and have never directed the day-to-day operations of Watchtower”
    Day-to-day operations?  He is part of the what is referred to as the "faithful slave", which has a large laundry list of obligations each day - according to Samuel Herd:
    We work diligently to please our owners, Jehovah and Jesus, and that’s what Bethel is all about too.  We work hard as slaves. To be a slave of Jehovah is a cherished privilege.  Just to be owned by God, to belong to him is the best thing that could happen to any one of us.  That is how the faithful and discreet slave feels as the feeding of the domestics is accomplished each day.
    Now you see members of the GB walking here and there in the various complexes here in he United States, from time to time.  Every now and then we’ll go up to Canada, go other places throughout the world, and you see a few others walking around too. 
    What are some things that occupy the time of the faithful slave and their attention.  I just jotted down a FEW things.  Now I’m gonna go through them very fast because we don’t have a lot of time, but you just think about them.
    Making decisions that affect the lives of all sheep – publishes, auxiliary, regular, special pioneers, missionaries, circuit overseers, Bethel family members all over the world
    Deciding whether new Branch facilities are needed in various countries throughout the world.  Deciding on the needs in the field of computers, a field that just keeps growing and growing with each passing week. 
    Looking into legal fights we’re having all over the world. 
    Deciding the best approach to helping brothers and sisters who have been struck by natural disasters; how much money can be allotted and so forth.
    Deciding on assembly and convention program themes; drama broadcast programs, videos, new songs, morning worship program, involvement with all the schools being taught and there’s not end to it.
    Reading and checking and approving all materials that will be printed; looking and approving all artwork that will be used in our publications.
    What new languages to start translating
    Decide on what will appear on the jw .org and jw library and of course that has really been a jewel and still is.
    Final approval on all the audio recordings of the Bible
    Organize international and special conventions
    Organizes Branch dedications and assembly hall dedications worldwide
    Involved with all teaching, constantly looking to and praying to Jehovah for direction in shepherding his sheep.
    Now what has been said probably is only half of what is done by the faithful and discreet slave. What is accomplished is not by human effort alone but is by means of God’s Holy Spirit and direction given by Jesus, the head of the congregation.
    While all major decisions and approvals are made by the faithful and discreet slave, we have 30 most qualified helpers and several other brothers who work hard in assisting us to accomplish our responsibility of feeding and caring for Jehovah’s sheep.  Their work does not go unnoticed.  Now some of us maybe viewed as iron chefs but we’re not the only ones in the kitchen and you better believe that.
    Slave for Jehovah, a Cherished Privilege, jw broadcasting
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    Gerrit Losch: 

    Geoffrey Jackson:
     MR STEWART:   Q.   Mr Jackson, will you state your full  name and your work address, please?         
     A.   Yes, my name is Geoffrey William Jackson, and I work  at 25 Columbia Heights, but the mailing address is  124 Columbia Heights, Brooklyn, New York.
     A.   If I may be allowed to explain, each Governing Body  member has a home committee where his office is based. 
    A.   Yes.  With regard to my role, each member of the  Governing Body ‐ of course, there are seven at the moment ‐  each brings something to the table with regard to  expertise.
    A. ..... So the  Governing Body is broken up into various committees.....  A.   There is a ‐ yes, ultimately, the Governing Body               oversees the work of the committees,....
    So verse 4 describes the role of the Governing Body as we  see it, to devote ourselves to prayer and the word of God,  and that's why 30 helpers have been assigned that are  involved more with the practical side of policy and implementation.
    The Watchtower:
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/pc/r1/lp-e/1200272475/30/4
    18. How does the Governing Body operate, and what is one way that we can reflect our cooperation with it?
    18 The committees of the Governing Body hold weekly meetings to review important matters, make decisions after prayerful considerations, and plan for future theocratic activity. As noted earlier, Acts chapter 15 shows that a weighty question needing resolution was referred to the first-century governing body for attention. Similarly today, important questions are referred to the entire Governing Body, which meets weekly or more often when necessary. 
    19. How do instructions of the Governing Body reach the congregations?
    19 How do the instructions and decisions of the Governing Body reach the congregations? After the members of the first-century governing body reached their decision with the help of God’s spirit, they sent a letter to the congregations. (Acts 15:22-29) However, the principal way today is through Christian publications.
    Conclusion: Prior to July 1 1994 Gerrit Losch was not working as GB member according to his deposition in document. BUT after that day and until today he working in WT building and has Office in WT building, so WT giving him (and to his wife too) a Job, Accommodation aka Place to sleep, Food to Eat, Water to Drink, Money for spending, Health Care, Insurance and other things that is required by The US Law for WT Corporation and Full Time Religious Ministers, Order,, Inside JW Church, or simply said Clergy. 
    Because Gerrit Losch is GB member as Geoffrey Jackson, this two men /plus other in GB Team) are Fully responsible for all WT Corporation deeds. Who giving Whom Orders, and Who giving Whom answers is Their Internal Game. But All people involved in WT Business of all Kind are One Team and all of them Contribute to decisions. GB is Ultimate Body of WT and all other Legal Entities, so they are Fully Responsible before their God and before Secular Authority.   
    All other "Stories" they Presenting to Public, and Their Internal games of Power and Influence, Competition, is Normal for Human Organization as it is also for Heavenly Organization which went through same or similar "fighting for Power and Influence over other", according to Bible reports.   
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Baptism of Children by Jehovah's Witnesses   
    2014 was a long time ago regarding the Child Abuse issues. It has become mainstream news now so the Gb and it's Org lost that battle to keep it all secret. Hence a lot more people over 16 or 18 would have left the Org by now. And been replaced by 3 and 5 years olds it seems. 
    Until last year I never really thought about how they count the amount of JW's in the Org. I just thought they kept numbers of all those that are baptised. However I read online somewhere that a 'prominent' JW said that the number of JW's is counted by the number of monthly reports going in. He said it was more important to count 'active' members than baptised members. Can't remember who said it as it wasn't important to me at the time. But now seeing all this about 3 and 5 years olds it does make me think how desperate the GB and the Org are. 
    By the way, Srecko is right you completely miss the meaning of the scripture you used. The scripture is talking about adults lowering their pride and becoming like children. 
    Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the Kingdom of God like a young child will by no means enter into it.” 
    Jesus was usingthe young children as showing humility. But i don't expect you to understand that. 
    @Outta Here  said "Rubbish! You're outside the camp, under reprimand.....accept it!"  
    Wow see the humility there  NO................... Who is Srecko supposed to be 'under reprimand' by ? 
    You see Outta Here, all that shows is you worship of the GB and it's JW Org. I see no signs that Srecko is not still a worshipper of God, therefore God, through Jesus Christ is judge, not you Outta Here.
    Quote @Outta Here  "Oh come on please. How does this observation of the obvious show any kind of insight? They are just like you surely? Start off for whatever reasons, then fizzle out for whatever reasons. Just as the apostle John stated centuries ago."
    Well no actually. Children born into JW families are forced to go to meetings and to 'pre-study' etc. It is difficult for parents and for the children. Meetings have gradually got shorter so it gets a bit easier of course. But assemblies are chaos, for parents and children alike. Please remember I had years in the JW Org, so I talk from some experience. Experience of seeing other parents struggling with children and having done so myself, with two families.... And having seen many teenagers leave the Org as soon as they were able.  
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    My, how they must struggle to keep their act together.    If the Bible standards were actually followed, would 30 helpers need to bring a flaw in doctrine to the attention of a "faithful and discreet slave"?  Who is helping them be "discreet", those not anointed which I would guess are most of the 30?
    “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. "  John 14:15-17
    "But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him."   1 John 2:27
    The structure of the organization does not allow the anointed Body of Christ to act as one body under Christ, which would  be evidence that the Spirit of Truth exists among them. Of course, in the organization this could never be.  These men lean on their own structure, interpreting justice and doctrine without the blessing of Holy Spirit.  
    "For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.  For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. "  Rom 12:3-5
    "But now indeed there are many members, yet one body. 21 And the eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you”; nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you.” 22 No, much rather, those members of the body which seem to be weaker are necessary. 23 And those members of the body which we think to be less honorable, on these we bestow greater honor; and our unpresentable parts have greater modesty, 24 but our presentable parts have no need. But God composed the body, having given greater honor to that part which lacks it, 25 that there should be no [h]schism ("division") in the body, but that the members should have the same care for one another. 26 And if one member suffers, all the members suffer with it; or if one member is honored, all the members rejoice with it."  1 Cor 12:20-26
    Paul is referring to the anointed body, not the GB's convenient interpretation of scripture to include 30 helpers and all JWs. Matt 16:18,19; John 2:19,21; 1 Pet 2:5,9; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16  The Body of Christ is being refined and built to benefit mankind,  teaching and aiding them in the Kingdom. Mal 2:7  The organization has corrupted scripture to fit their fleshly needs of power and greed, and to rule over and conquer the anointed ones through the influence of another spirit.  Matt 24:48-51, Rev 13 1, 5-7,11,14-17
    If they had God's Spirit, they would be calling the anointed body of Christ to join them.  If they were truly motivated by Holy Spirit, Christ would make it happen.  Matt 21:21,22; Luke 17:6; Mark 11:24; John 16:24
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    Q.   Could you explain, Mr Jackson, the committee structure         35       and how it relates to the Governing Body, which is to say,         36       do the committees report to and are they accountable to the         37       Governing Body as a whole, or how does it work?         38       A.   Thank you, Mr Stewart.  Yes, the Governing Body, as         39       I mentioned, has seven members.  As you would realise, with         40       8.2 million active members of Jehovah's Witnesses, with         41       approximately 20 million associated with us, there is no         42       way that the seven members of the Governing Body can be up         43       to date with all aspects of every part of our work.  So the         44       Governing Body is broken up into various committees.  The         45       committees ‐ there is a measure of trust, obviously,         46       because the men who are appointed on those committees         47       understand something about the operation of those various             .14/08/2015 (155)          15932    G W JACKSON (Mr Stewart)                                  Transcript produced by DTI          1       aspects.          2          3            But if I may also mention something I think the          4       Commission hasn't noticed is that there are a roll of 30          5       helpers and these helpers join us in not the Governing Body          6       committee, but the various subcommittees, and they help us          7       by making recommendations and implementing the policies.          8          9       Q.   Thank you, Mr Jackson.  Is it the case that the         10       helpers also attend the Governing Body meetings that occur         11       weekly, but don't make decisions there?         12       A.   No, they don't normally attend the one meeting the         13       Governing Body has each Wednesday, unless, of course, we         14       need some special input from one of them or from several,         15       and then they may be invited as needed.  But you are         16       correct in saying they do not vote.         17         18       Q.   So is it right to say that the committees then are         19       accountable to the Governing Body?         20       A.   There is a ‐ yes, ultimately, the Governing Body         21       oversees the work of the committees, but there is a measure         22       of trust, obviously, that goes on, mainly ‐ if I could use         23       an example, I would be the last person on earth to ask with         24       regard to construction details, but the publishing         25       committee handles our construction worldwide, and so those         26       that have more familiarity with that type of expertise, we         27       would trust them to go ahead with most of the decisions.  28         29       Q.   You have said that the Governing Body presently has         30       seven members.  How is it determined how many members there         31       will be from time to time?         32       A.   There can be any number of members on the Governing         33       Body.  In the past few decades ‐ for example, when I was         34       appointed on the Governing Body, there were 12 of us.         35       I believe the number has been 18 at one stage.  But the         36       qualifications of a member for the Governing Body ‐ it         37       involves someone who is considered an anointed Witness, who         38       has worked in scriptural, with a scriptural background,         39       either as a missionary or a full‐time servant for many         40       years, and is able to fulfil the role of the Governing         41       Body, which is, may I state, a group, a spiritual group of         42       men who are the guardians of our doctrine, and as guardians         43       of the doctrine, look at things that need to be decided         44       based on our doctrines, which are based on the constitution         45       of the Bible.         46         47       Q.   I take it if the Governing Body is to be increased in             .14/08/2015 (155)          15933    G W JACKSON (Mr Stewart)                                  Transcript produced by DTI          1       size, that that will be a decision of the Governing Body          2       itself?          3       A.   That is correct.  But obviously, we would get          4       information from other fields.          5          6       Q.   And is it the case that the Governing Body then          7       appoints new members of the Governing Body?          8       A.   That is correct.          9         10       Q.   Does someone have a designated role, such as         11       coordinator or chairperson or president?         12       A.   You mean of the Governing Body?         13         14       Q.   Yes.         15       A.   Or do you mean the subcommittees?         16         17       Q.   No, I mean of the Governing Body?         18       A.   Yes.  We rotate each year.  There is a chairman of the         19       Governing Body, but the chairman's role is merely to chair         20       the meetings.         21         22       Q.   So there is no‐one who has a permanent role of         23       coordination or designation such as president or what have         24       you?         25       A.   That is correct.  Only the committees, under the         26       direction of the Governing Body, have a coordinator for         27       each committee.         28         29       Q.   Dealing with decisions of the Governing Body itself,         30       how are decisions made, by which I mean are they made only         31       by consensus or by majority or is there some other system         32       you adopt?         33       A.   So if a policy or a question comes up with regard to         34       doctrine, or something that involves a biblical stand, we         35       will allow someone to come in and present to us all the         36       facts concerning that ‐ obviously the seven involved cannot         37       be familiar with every aspect that we need to consider.  So         38       once the proposal has been given to the Governing Body,         39       it's an agenda point.  Ahead of time, each Governing Body         40       member, with prayer, by means of prayer and reading the         41       Bible, then tries to see how the Bible would affect any         42       particular decision.  So then, in our discussion,         43       generally, from my experience, which has only just been the         44       last 10 years, in most cases it's unanimous.         45         46       Q.   If it's not, then it would be carried by majority; is         47       that right?             .14/08/2015 (155)          15934    G W JACKSON (Mr Stewart)                                  Transcript produced by DTI        
      1       A.   That is the case but, as I said, it's a rare thing,          2       because if someone ‐ perhaps their conscience is not clear          3       or feel comfortable with a certain decision, then more          4       often than not, we would rely upon God's spirit by holding          5       up on making a final decision until more research is done,          6       and then we would meet again.          7          8       Q.   By what mechanism would you understand God's spirit to          9       direct your decisions?         10       A.   Well, what I mean by that is, by prayer and using our         11       constitution, God's word, we would go through the         12       scriptures and see if there was any biblical principle at         13       all that would influence our decision ‐ and it could be         14       that in our initial discussions there was something that         15       maybe we were missing and then in another discussion that         16       would come to light.  So we would view that as God's spirit         17       motivating us because we believe the Bible is God's word         18       and came by means of holy spirit.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Shiwiii in Baptism of Children by Jehovah's Witnesses   
    to touch them.... well, text speaking about touching children for blessings, not baptizing children.
    dear Outta Here, wrong interpretation and misapplication of bible text, for sure. 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Patiently waiting for Truth in Gerrit Lösch   
    Main question, More Important Question is: Do You and Does JW members ACCEPT This Declaration ? 
    :)))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Evacuated in Gerrit Lösch   
    Take that as a Yes then?
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Charitable Planning to Benefit Kingdom Service Worldwide   
    Your good thoughts made be think again on the scriptures I quoted about the apostle’s concern to take care of the poor.  It was known among Jesus’ disciples that the money bag they carried was basically money for the poor.  Judas hypocritically questioned Mary’s use of expensive oil to anoint Jesus’ feet. 
    “Why wasn’t this fragrant oil sold for 300 denariiand given to the poor?” 6 He didn’t say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief. He was in charge of the money-bag and would steal part of what was put in it.”  John 12:1-6  (John 13:26-29)
     
    I know I’ve expressed this a few years back, but as a new JW, I had witnessed a poor family in the congregation who were not able to feed their children of five because of work difficulties common in a very depressed area; but still they were turned down by the elders when seeking financial help just to buy food.  They had lost their home and were living in a tent.  The answer was that “Jehovah’s organization” spiritually feed the “poor” through the “preaching work”.  This is what Jesus and the apostles did (in truth) without the need for investments and a large treasury, which cannot buy spiritual riches. 
    What riches are the GB seeking? Luke 4:5-8 The eye is impressed by what it physically sees, which is exactly the avenue the WT takes, appeasing fleshly desires by building a "high mountain".  Gal 5:19-21; Luke 4:5; Zech 4:7  It is perceived that God’s blessings must be on the organization as can be seen in all the material accomplishments and advancements in technology the organization manages to build and obtain.  WT leaders are like Judas, proclaiming to feed the “poor” but stealing out of the money bag to fulfill their desire to build bigger and better achievements, in the name of a false god - a "mountainlike organization".   
     So Jesus said again, “I assure you: I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who came before Me are thieves and robbers (the Pharisees included),but the sheep didn’t listen to them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved and will come in and go out and find pasture. 10 A thief comes only to steal and to kill and to destroy. I have come so that they may have life and have it in abundance.  John 10:7-10
     
    “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravaging wolves.
    “false prophets” – “one who, acting the part of a divinely inspired prophet, utters falsehoods under the name of divine prophecies”
    “ravaging” – “rapacious, ravenous, an extortion, a robber”
    “wolves” – “metaph. of cruel, greedy, rapacious, destructive men”
    The door to salvation is simple, not gilded in the gold money can buy, but clothed in the rich glory of God. 2 Cor 11:3,4; Rev 21:1-3,14-27 
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Evacuated in Baptism of Children by Jehovah's Witnesses   
    Rubbish! You're outside the camp, under reprimand.....accept it!
    Oh come on please. How does this observation of the obvious show any kind of insight? They are just like you surely? Start off for whatever reasons, then fizzle out for whatever reasons. Just as the apostle John stated centuries ago.
    That would be interesting indeed. But not readily available. Maybe we can get at least something from the 2014 analysis someone did in USA? (I know you have some geographical partialities..............).
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Charitable Planning to Benefit Kingdom Service Worldwide   
    Since we know for ourselves, we know there is money. Money brings many things, almost everything. The Bible gives such a statement: A feast is ready for laughter, and wine makes life merry, but money is the answer for everything. ECL. 10:19.
    Money is the answer. It is understandable to me that "the organized religion" or any association, needs money to operate. But manipulation with membership that material things to be rendered for the corporation, because God loves it and wants it, it's really saucy/presumptuous. 
    To educate people for how to "invest" money and other material possessions is what people need in this money based World.
    But, does "spiritual leaders" aka GB, and particular WT Department existing for that purpose? To give financial advises to "the flock"? Is it Their task to take care about member's money and real estate and silver and gold? Is it on Them to collect member's possessions INTO WT Corporation/s?  
    Task for Church Leadership (according to their own new light about 1919 doctrine) is this:
    to SHARE Spiritual Food. 
    NOT to COLLECT Material Possessions. 
    TO SHARE  vs. TO COLLECT ....opposite verbs, Antonyms Not Synonyms  
    If they Collect Money, only reason for that must be to Help PEOPLE, and  NOT to making new buildings and buying Things for "fine life" inside those WALLS (literal and spiritual walls, by the way).  Not to building KH on members expenses and then, after some years to Sold it and put money in WT Corporation account, and not giving one single $ to Congregants who contribute in building with own money, time, food, working power and skills.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from James Thomas Rook Jr. in Baptism of Children by Jehovah's Witnesses   
    to touch them.... well, text speaking about touching children for blessings, not baptizing children.
    dear Outta Here, wrong interpretation and misapplication of bible text, for sure. 
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