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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Gerrit Lösch   
    Gerrit Losch:  "I do not direct and have never directed..."
     
    Wikipedia:  Following a leadership dispute in the Bible Student movement, the Watch Tower Society remained associated with the branch of the movement that became known as Jehovah's Witnesses. In 1955, the corporation was renamed Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. In 1976, all activities of the Watch Tower Society were brought under the supervision of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
    In 1976, direction of the Watch Tower Society and of the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide came under the control of the Governing Body, reducing the power of the society's president. The society has described the change as "one of the most significant organizational readjustments in the modern-day history of Jehovah's Witnesses."
    Following the death of Knorr in 1977, subsequent presidents of the Watch Tower Society have been Frederick W. Franz (June 1977 – December 1992); Milton G. Henschel (December 1992 – October 2000), Don A. Adams (October 2000 – 2014) and Robert Ciranko (incumbent). Adams and Ciranko are considered "helpers" to the Governing Body, which retains authority over the corporations.
     "Keep Holding Men of That Sort Dear".  The Watchtower. 15 October 2015. p. 3. The Governing Body members make the final decisions, but the helpers implement the committee's direction and carry out whatever assignments they are given. The helpers accompany Governing Body members to special and international conventions. They may also be assigned to visit branch offices as headquarters representatives. ... Helpers to Governing Body Committees ... Publishing Committee—Don Adams ... Writing Committee—Robert Ciranko...
     
    Sounds like Mr. Losch is just plain lying.  
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Jack Ryan in Gerrit Lösch   
    I believe there's a complaint ongoing in New York which might name the GB as managing agents of WTBTS. If it succeeds, its effects will be... interesting.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Jack Ryan in Gerrit Lösch   
    That is also my answer for them:
    YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY OVER ME !!!
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Jack Ryan in JW Lawyer on Disfellowshipping and Shunning   
    It also looks like it’s proof that the Canadian lawyer for the Watchtower perjured himself as an officer of the court to their Supreme Court
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Jack Ryan in JW Lawyer on Disfellowshipping and Shunning   
    Public protest against Watchtower shunning policies in São Paulo

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Jack Ryan in You know you're an oldschool jw if...   
    you think an oral review is cheating
    you think cart witnessing is cheating
    you can provide explanations of most of the prophecies in Daniel and revelations from memory.
    you have fond memories of Shasta lemon lime and cheese danishes.
    you can rhyme giv'n and heav'n, and can sing about molested bees with a straight face.
    you (rightfully) believe that Caleb and Sophia is an unholy abomination.
    Anything I missed?
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Apostles, Judas, GB, Raymond, Satan, Holy Spirit   
    @Srecko Sostar  I can see that you speak from your heart. I agree with all that you have said here. 
    (your last comment on page 17) 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Agree in intention you want to have, but disagree in your reasoning, how publishing all possible  information's about problem is of no benefit for such a goal.
    - truthful information's about all cases from past to today 
    - put free space for listeners to make own conclusions and possibility to express it in responding comments, letters, talks, etc.
    Disclosure info about this will help JW members to understand magnitude of this evil, and how this is reality not only in "worldly system under satan power", but is also devastating disease inside JW church with many JW members who suffer because of that. JW members, as i had seen before my left JW, in few short conversations, are rejecting this as problem, and never heard nothing similar had happened (here in Croatia, or in Germany, as one bro in telephone call from Hamburg area told me).
    So, as firstly, THIS WILL HELP in that way to introduce how problem EXISTING inside JW congregations.
    AFTER that, when information's made circle around all JW worldwide, they will need some time to absorb information's, and after they will need to share personal feelings, thoughts, etc. about issue. For this reason WT need to give FREE HAND for all those who want to talk about it. People will and must to come to state of awareness, awakened emotions and state of confusion and disbelief. For that reason those who "controlled their spirituality health" must give them space to TALK ABOUT. And NOT to Suppress. And not to Misguide them.
    This can help JW community to take curse in which consciousness rises to a higher level, a spiritual awakening emerges from drowsiness from false security (false, conceited, imagined attitudes about self righteousness), catharsis comes, spiritual and thinking/rational purification can take position to replace most or all what is wrong. 
    By this you open the door to new era. To new heart. And that would give a chance to those who seeking the truth. 
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    @Anna  Quote "  .. the main objective of ANY action would be .. "
    Yes of course the main objective would be to try to prevent further occurrences of child abuse within the JW Org. 
    BUT, that would be the main objective, not the only objective. 
    The GB still hide behind 'laws of the land'. They only walk the one mile that have been ordered to walk (as in the scriptures) 
    But the Bible says Walk two miles when ordered to only walk one. Go the extra mile. 
    Anna answered Srecko's comments from her one selfish viewpoint and she made it so clear that she in only interested in sticking up for the JW Org and it's GB. 
    Sorry Anna, Srecko made some good recommendations and you tried to shoot him down. 
    And one answer in 'How would it help stop further child abuse' is simple.
    It would make the naive congregants FULLY AWARE of the Child Abuse / Pedophilia problem within the whole Earthwide JW Org. 
    Whereas right now most of then DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT 
    Why ? Because they are TOLD not to visit such forums as this. Not to use internet websites that may be 'of the wrong influence' etc... 
    They are either wrapped up in cotton wool, or, they are fenced in with threats from spying Elders. 
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Because remember, molesters do this in secret and they are very good at hiding what they do.
    I would like everyone on here to take note of @Anna 's comment above. 
    Read it 3 times. Remember repetition for emphasis ! 
    Now how does this relate to the TWO WITNESS RULE ? 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Still waiting to hear about the new IICSA inquiry here in UK. They are so busy looking into so many other organisations.
    https://www.iicsa.org.uk/ 
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    - truthful information's about all cases from past to today
    - put free space for listeners to make own conclusions and possibility to express it in responding comments, letters, talks, etc.
    - list of those who are dfd for molestation's 
    - list of those who are sentenced by Courts for molestation's
    - how much money was payed for various expenses  
    - collectively asking for forgiveness, apologize to victims
     
    I am sure how some of this points you would support too. :))    
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    - truthful information's about all cases from past to today
    - put free space for listeners to make own conclusions and possibility to express it in responding comments, letters, talks, etc.
    - list of those who are dfd for molestation's 
    - list of those who are sentenced by Courts for molestation's
    - how much money was payed for various expenses  
    - collectively asking for forgiveness, apologize to victims
     
    I am sure how some of this points you would support too. :))    
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    The new rules now ALLOW Elders, are now there's the rub, ALLOW. It only allows them to, but if it is an accusation against a fellow Elder they might not want to report it to the outside authorities. So nothing gained. 
    And if there are not Two Witnesses then elders may feel there is 'no case to answer' as there is no real proof. Remember that they have been indoctrinated for years. New rules might not make any difference to their attitudes. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Um, Scripture, SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES ARE IN PLACE BECAUSE GOD WANTS THEM THERE. THEY ARE DOING GOD'S WORK IN THIS OLD SYSTEM OF THINGS. THEY ARE THERE TO PUNISH THOSE WHO BREAK THE LAW. 
    Sorry it's all capitals but you seem a bit blind. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Jack Ryan in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Why the heck is WT trying to assert the clergy-penitent privilege to allow elders to NOT report to authorities?
    Exhibit A: (State of Delaware v. Laurel Delaware Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, Joel Mulchansingh and William Perkins)[https://law.justia.com/cases/delaware/superior-court/2016/n14c-05-122-mmj-0.html).
    Relevant quote from the case, the JW crew being the defendants:
    Does that sound like the organization is 'endeavoring' to report abuse? They are 'endeavoring' to legally NOT report abuse. That's how the hell they're trying to comply with secular laws.
    I'm sorry for the language, but these *%&$*()*$ are writing articles to the general JW with the obvious intent of making it look like they're TRYING to report abuse and they're not. They're simply not.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Melinda Mills in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    you ridicules other, so  why not to ridicule your ridicules.
      Canadian Soccer Association is right choice  ....
    Canadian Snowbird Association is better choice....
    but if you continue in looking more on list, you will finally come to CONTEXT :))))))) 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    (paragraph) 6 A sin against the congregation
    "We do not tolerate in our midst individuals who unrepentantly commit wicked deeds and who bring reproach on the good name of the congregation."
    Um, how is it then that some Elders have been found to have commited sex offencies against more than one child and a lot more than once per child, in a congregation ? 
    Court cases prove this point. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Did you even read what I wrote? 
     
    In your scenario, no one knows.....no one.......nada....zilch....none. So it cannot be reported.  And how in the world do you even consider this to be a supporting factor in the discussion? Its like saying if a tree falls in the woods and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? 
     
    In mine, maybe I failed to mention the part of someone going to the elders, but someone DOES know and still refuses to report it.  
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Paragraph 17. What is the role of the judicial committee?
    " The elders do not interfere with law enforcement; they leave criminal matters to the secular authorities. "
    But they may withhold paperwork / documents /notes, from the police or authorities, even when requested to hand them over. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Any comments on JW Elders using Clergy Privilege to withhold information of child abuse ?
    Just a paragraph form a report online :-
    The two elders didn’t tell police. They, and the congregation, now face a lawsuit from the Delaware attorney general accusing them of violating the state’s mandated reporting laws. The defendants claim the elders were protected from having to report the abuse by a legal exemption for clergy.
    Is this a massive loophole ? 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    I agree with you, there is NOTHING Christ-like about allowing CSA or any abuse to continue because the "laws" of men don't require reporting it to the police. 
    Can you even imagine, when the time comes, and Jesus is standing there asking each and every one of us about our life choices. When He asks, are some people really going to say "well, there wasn't a law stating we had to report CSA/abuse to proper authorities" 
    Romans 14:10"...For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written,
    “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
        and every tongue shall confess[b] to God.”
    12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God."
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JOHN BUTLER in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    Yes but if there are not two witnesses then there will be 'no case to answer', especially if the accused is an Elder. 
    And if there is 'no case to answer' then there will of course be nothing to report to the authorities. 
    And if the victim continues to make complaint against the Elder, then the victim will be disfellowshipped for slander. 
    I have the mag up online now. 
    " 15 In the congregation, before the elders take judicial action, why are at least two witnesses required? This requirement is part of the Bible’s high standard of justice. "
    Is this really the case in Child Abuse ? Does it say this in the Bible regarding Child Abuse ?
    I think not. I think it refers to a disagreement between two adults. 
    I do not think God or Christ would put this pressure on young children. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in Forced "new light", but only slightly   
    So when the ms or elder molests a child and tells the child that he/she will kill them or their family or the family dog , scares them into submission, its ok because they didn't want to tell. Is this what you are saying? Or how about the wife that is getting the crap beat out of her and fears for her life, let it continue because she is scared to report for fear of more abuse? Riiiiight. Sounds like a good plan Anna. 
    Then leave crimes to the police instead of covering them up! Report the crime and THEN deal with the sin. 
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