Srecko Sostar

The difference between Christendom, and Muslims, if you can afford it ... is that in New York,  Christendom's parents can buy tailored bullet proof vests fro their children, and Muslims, for their kids, can buy bomb vests.
What an 8 year old Muslim Girl would do in Heaven with 72 virgins, I cannot comprehend.

Someone once said that to King Solomon, with all those wives and concubines.
He LAUGHED for a half hour.

About 8 years go, on fine Autumn day, I had a chain saw "jump back" on me, and I cut the left hand "trigger finger " almost completely off, at the first joint. and got blood all over me, my clothes and shoes, and the chain saw. 
I stuck it back on ... let it bleed until it stopped naturally, and wrapped it with duct tape.  It healed up perfectly, but with a slight 12 degree angle towards the  ring finger, at that finger joint.
.... while I was waiting for the blood to stop, my Son came in , and I looked at him,, held up my bloody hand and said " Tommy ... don't be stupid, like your Dad."
I am encouraged that Jellyfish have lived for 300 Million Years, with no brain whatsoever.

Your turn will come, buster.

These guys go totally off topic but I don't mind it takes the heat off me for a while.  
 

1John 5:17:"All unrighteousness is sin, and yet there is a sin that does not incur death."
Sorry, you are not in a position to tell me what Jehovah has or has not promised me.
That is what I mean. You have your odor, I have mine....
 

You do ok. Do not worry about those that have no fellow feeling. Some of us show love, some don't. 
I'm English and all I can speak and write is English, so you are doing better than me. 

My point was of course that if the Governing Body promote as 'fact' that they are the 'Faithful and discreet slave' therefore exalting themselves,  and then give false information (bad food) concerning the will of God, then they are deliberately sinning...  
“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?  Matthew 24 v 45.
But another point has just appeared to me. The above scripture is from Matthew. The below scripture is from Luke. Do you notice a difference ?
 And the Lord said: “Who really is the faithful steward, the discreet one, whom his master will appoint over his body of attendants to keep giving them their measure of food supplies at the proper time?    Luke 12 v 42.
The Matthew scripture is past tense, the Luke scripture is future tense. 
But my original point on this issue was that the GB make it known as 'fact' that they have this responsibility, and only those 8 men, no one else. But they prove themselves false because the 'food' they supply in not true food.

I am like Moses, man of few words, not know how to talking. Even in my Croatian language i spending day in less talking than other people. In English i have problem with grammar and structuring Croatian way of sentences to English way. ;)))
So, please accept my  apologize for that. This is me, ....you can kill me but this is me :)))))

Was John not inspired at Ephesus when he wrote his other writings then, two years later  (1,2,3, John)   ?  

The last person who was inspired by God or Jesus was the apostle John, on the isle of Patmos, when he wrote Revelation. 
 
 

Yes quite a lovely thought really. If suicide was painless and not frightening. Why wait for Armageddon if life is not good now ?
Just quietly go to sleep and then wake up in the 'New World'. The only downside is that it is a bit selfish if you have loved ones that would miss you and / or need you here.. 
 

People who believe in god and to god can stand on this quote you gave, for sure.
Now, because in every religious system on Earth, exist people, leadership who run god's Heavenly job, work or business here on Earth and in that process of governing they giving information about what god want human (member of one religion) to do, I ask;
WHO giving information?? 
WHO giving right information??  
WHO giving wrong information??
WHO ... in this one and same religion??

Yes, this was idea for some time. After they wrote how specific Hebrew word "yom" can mean undefined, unknown period of time that can last more then 7000 years. I think in Creation book  was (blue book) first time talking about this "new" teaching.
But despite to this revelation about "yom" in Genesis book, WT still standing in interpretation how Adam and Eve as first human on Earth come to existence before only 6000 years ... and few years more (if we count from 1975 till today). 
In this we can see some disharmony, about this two Bible reports, in WT explanations and interpretations about when first human came to existence and how old is Earth, Solar system, Universe. 
Science said one thing and WT something different or not incorporate scientific knowledge and information's in religious teaching of the JW Church.

Yes, my point was that if the Governing Body have always been the 'faithful and discreet slave' why would God have given them the wrong information ? 
And, if the GB have been proven wrong on such issues, how can anyone trust them now and in the future ? 

Well if somebody decides, in their wisdom, to make a topic about ME and why they THINK I left the Org.
And then they or others say that I'm mentally unbalanced etc. 
Perhaps, just like the GB of JW Org, they bring things on themselves. 
All I was doing was commenting on a previous comment of Anna's which is here on this topic.
But of course Anna and others are allowed to mention the Child Abuse freely, but me, oh no.
Well, Jesus was hated for telling the truth about others, wasn't he ? 
And the scriptures tell us to pick up our 'cross / torture stake' and follow Jesus. It isn't supposed to be easy being honest and truthful. 
There is so much I could say to Anna but I'd only get 'shot' for it. 
Admin close this topic if you wish. Have a good day y'all.  

ANNA says "WT has NEVER shielded or protected known perpetrators. The GB have not mishandled cases of child abuse, the elders have.." 
Did the GB and or it's Legal Departments  (for W/t and for JW Org)  refuse to hand over the documents in America. 
I believe they admitted having such documents which relate to twenty years worth of Child Abuse accusations.
Is it then true that the Legal dept of one (either W/t or JW Org) wrote a letter to the other asking for the documents, and the other Legal dept wrote back saying they would not hand them over. When in fact the GB rule over both and could have given orders for the documents to be handed over directly. 
That is why the courts became annoyed because the GB were deliberately wasting time. 
If all the info had been passed to police at the time each event happened, instead of storing it all up in 'secret' for twenty years, then the situation would never have taken place, and the lives of some people would not have been ruined because they would not have become victims of abuse.... 
To use the excuse of whether the Pedophiles were KNOWN PERPETRATORS, is very poor. Because it was just so easy to say that the victims didn't have two witnesses. 

This is where you fail here, Srecko Sostar, I pointed this out because you yourself think the family unit is of blood only, has nothing to do with JWs, but if your heart wants to make it as such, anyone who is subjected to anything that results in grounds for excommunication, all church ties are cut.
At least if you are not going to go about on your own word, do not make the obvious shift and or change.
Anything in relation to Excommunication/Expelling still stands be it of blood relative and or adopted one, for church ties be it restored and or cut effects anyone.
That being said, I admire your effort and attempt, but no cigar. If you forget what you said and as to what I made a response to, re-read everything you posted prior to this response.
 
Also we have yet to see where you are getting Mathematics from, of which remains to be.... Unseen.

I think we should get a few points straight.
The Child Abuse / Pedophilia problem within JW Org is NOT A SMALL ONE.
It is an Earthwide problem, not just 'a few' people. It has been going on within the JW Org for many years, 50 years in Australia it seems.
For at least 20 years the GB have been collecting accusations of Child Abuse in the USA. 
Many many many of the victims have said they were told NOT TO REPORT IT TO THE POLICE OR OUTSIDE AUTHORITIES.
Many of them have said they were not believed because of the TWO WITNESS RULE.
Jesus said, 'If anyone stumbles the least of these little one it would have better it they has a millstone tied around their neck and they were thrown into the sea'. Do you believe these words of Jesus ? 
We know about Child Abuse  / PEDOPHILIA in the JW Org in  : Australia, Canada, America, the Netherlands and the UK.
I have no info' of child abuse in other JW countries, but I would think it is happening everywhere.
If ten people come forward to tell of their abuse then probably 100 more have not come forward. So we have no way of knowing how many have been abused. So this silly idea of giving a percentage means nothing.
I am blaming the GB because they make the rules, not according to scripture but according to their own preference.
If only half of the accusations are true it is still too many.
As for comparing the JW Org and or GB to, 'professionals REQUIRED BY LAW to report', that's like comparing God's organisation to Satan's world. There should be no comparison. It does not matter what those so called 'professionals' do or do not do. If you believe the GB are the 'faithful slave' then even you should expect the GB to serve Jehovah properly. 
Serving Jehovah properly would mean taking care of 'widows and orphans' 'little ones' everyone within the Christian Congregation. And that would mean keeping the Org clean and free of Pedophiles. 
In my opinion that means that EVERY ACCUSATION OF CHILD ABUSE IN EVERY COUNTRY SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THE POLICE OR AUTHORITIES. And the GB should have handed over the 20 years worth of documents to the court whether it was 'the law or not'. 
But as i say, Collateral damage. Brothers, sisters, children. All destroyed just to keep the Org looking clean.
You keep pretending I'm over emotional, if it serves your purpose, if it keeps your conscience clear. 
I'll keep distrusting the Governing Body as I know clearly in my mind they are not the 'faithful slave' they are the 'wicked slave that says the master is delaying in coming'.   

I think this is the crux of the matter.
In an Engineering Office, you know when a client's project has been totally screwed up and gone over budget ... when management starts stressing the dress code of suits and ties for all employees ... as if that will impress  an over billed client that the Engineering Firm's management  are competent.
This is based on the idea that the client is SO STUPID that they will think clowns stop being clowns because they have changed costumes.
I was working on a project in Cincinnati, Ohio ... 945 people in two large four-story buildings ... when the client we were doing work for locally and all the way to China, got fed up with TRYING to be taken for a fool, and fired our firm.  
In 30 days it went from 945 people to less than 30 people, and within a year they had to close the office.
Everybody in the office knew what the problem really was ... EXCEPT MANAGEMENT.

I agree with modesty but not with the 'traditions of men'. 
The suit and tie is from the world isn't it ? So when it suits the GB to follow the world then it's ok is it ? 
If people cannot see beyond clothing then they have poor judgement. 

I noticed for the past few years at our convention, i am not sure if i am the only one that finds this wrong but i dont agree with such practices. For example, they will announce $5000 bank balance at the convention account then they will anoounce all donations made to the world wide work and other places and  always leaves a balance of $0 then they will announce the cost of running the convention for example $3000 then they will announce donations made by everyone which never covers the cost so then this is what i find disturbing they will say thanks for all contributions but then there make an announcenment on how to make donations to cover all costs and that donations will be accepted till the end of the convention. Is it just me or is this way wrong....

Yes one thing that I've always considered wrong (but who am i to judge) is that all men are supposed to dress in 'Western style fashion'. No not Wild west fashion. And at assemblies in Twickenham UK, on the last day of the assembly,  some overseas bros and sis are 'allowed' to walk around the 'arena' in their 'native costumes'. Why shouldn't people be allowed to wear the clothes they would normally wear in their own countries, as long as it's decent of course, all the time. 

I am a big fan of women's Ferengi fashions.  
But not for Ferengi women.
 
 

I OFTEN wonder, looking at that picture, if a smart artist on the Bethel staff is trying to illustrate .... and for those that are not clueless,  successfully so,  .... how totally goofy and cringeworthy some of what corporate thinking is actually like.
... someone with an outrageous sense of humor with complete impunity, slipping "inside jokes" past the totally clueless editorial staff .