Srecko Sostar

This is so easy it’s embarrassing.
When you fail to prove your arguements you ALWAYS … ALWAYS revert to ad-hominem attacks. The first and ONLY RESORT of the agenda driven  who no matter the topic, are always WRONG!
 

The test is really quite simple and straightfoward.
Explain how Jesus SAID and MEANT OVERLAPPING GENERATIONS.
You can’t ,,,, because He didn’t.

You just proved the fallacy of your arguement.
OF COURSE GENERATIONS OVERLAP!
But that does not mean two overlapping generations are ONE generation!
You just got caught in your own semantics trap!

FAIL !
Any theology you cannot explain in your own words isn’t true.

Like you?
O.K., let’s put that to the test to see if you choke on it.
Let’s see how well YOU explain that what Jesus taught and what the Apostles understood was overlapping generations.
And of course YOU being the intellectual, there is no need to remind you to stay on topic, and base your remarks ONLY ON THE PREMISE RELEVANT.
1.) What exactly did Jesus teach, and  
2.) What exactly did the Apostles understand.
…. all else is made up drivel and wishful thinking.
 
 

There is a lot to be said for keeping things short, concise, direct and to the point.
You may want to try it someday ……
 

Well, Fausto, I had resolved not to waste any more time responding to your silly and distorted rants, which I do read, and think about, but a few minutes ago I ran across this, which accurately answers some of your questions, loaded as they are, about what constitutes “Old Light” and “New Light”.  
It is short, concise, direct and to the point.

What Russell said in 1881, that the "new light" never cancels the "old light" is very reasonable from a human point of view. Under one condition. That the "old light" was correct and true.
Let's say it with the help of an organ transplant illustration. The "Old Light of Truth" condemned organ transplantation, calling the act cannibalism. The "New Light of Truth" completely denied that view and to this day says that it is a matter of individual conscience.
If "today's truth" is correct then the "old light of truth" was the "old lie" and was not "light" but "darkness". It's the same thing with hundreds of "clarified beliefs". There is no room for claims about progress. These doctrines are rejected delusions or lies (or at least that's what they now claim to be delusions).
Because the rejected dogmas were never even "New Light" in the past tense when they appeared. When the GB rejected the old "new light" they automatically declared it as "false teaching" (announcement without announcement). These false teachings were then a full part of "true worship". Face it, please.

Did Pastor Russell start destroying his books after he realized there were errors in them? Did Pastor Russell withdraw his book from circulation and start issuing new editions with altered text because he concluded that there were inaccuracies in the original edition?
Does WTJWorg change the content of its digital "spiritual food", leaving no indication that the changes have been made or warning its readers that such a change is about to happen?
If there has been a change in CT Russell's status at WTJWorg in the meantime, that is a problem with today's leadership. But the appearance of Russell was for a long time JW's proof that YHVH through Russell is "restoring true worship" on Earth. This part of the Russell quote you posted supports the public lie Geoffrey Johnson told in his testimony before the ARC.
From both texts/statements it appears that WTJWorg is not the only organization or group of believers that "possess the truth", but that the truth can be found among people who are not part of them.
It is evident that such "religious truth" is not taught in JW congregations nor is it found on any digital content of your official site.
So here the main issue is not about who said it wrong or correctly, but it is about concealing historical accuracy and denying the manipulation of information that almost imperceptibly disappears from the screen.
Few, if any, JW people download digital material and create their own archives. Because of this, they cannot be able to compare things. They can only rely on their memory. And after a while they will begin to convince themself that they are misremembering or that they saw the wrong letters and words while reading. In this way, the WTJWorg Corporation does mental and psychological damage to its followers because it makes them insecure and unstable in themselves. How could you not, when you read one thing today, and tomorrow it's not there or it's written differently. It is really a method of "theocratic war" against one's own "soldiers of Christ".

Statistically, men die eight years before women die.
Often their last words are, “Hey! watch THIS ! … hold my beer …”.
 

… and “Old Light” and “New Light” have two things in common .
1.)  Among people who SHOULD be given the benefit of the doubt, never attribute as a lie what can be explained by self-centered daydreaming and wishful thinking.  It may be absolutely wrong, but if they believe it… it is NOT A LIE.
2.)  Neither “Old Light” or “New Light” should be confused with “Bud Light”.

Don’t pretend “stuff” doesn’t happen, and didn’t happen that should not have happened out of loyalty to what might have happened right.
Of what value is our faith if it is based on what is not true?
”Stuff Happens”.

What Russell said in 1881, that the "new light" never cancels the "old light" is very reasonable from a human point of view. Under one condition. That the "old light" was correct and true.
Let's say it with the help of an organ transplant illustration. The "Old Light of Truth" condemned organ transplantation, calling the act cannibalism. The "New Light of Truth" completely denied that view and to this day says that it is a matter of individual conscience.
If "today's truth" is correct then the "old light of truth" was the "old lie" and was not "light" but "darkness". It's the same thing with hundreds of "clarified beliefs". There is no room for claims about progress. These doctrines are rejected delusions or lies (or at least that's what they now claim to be delusions).
Because the rejected dogmas were never even "New Light" in the past tense when they appeared. When the GB rejected the old "new light" they automatically declared it as "false teaching" (announcement without announcement). These false teachings were then a full part of "true worship". Face it, please.

“Soldiers of Christ”, and Soldiers of Nations have very similar missions … to change the world to more conform to the wishes of the Government they represent.
The problem Earthly Theocracy and Earthly Nations have is the same  … their leadership is deeply flawed and often only marginally competent.
As each pursues it’s missions there will ALWAYS be massive, unintended casualties. It’s the nature of all organizations, and there is no way that can’t happen. 
There is an adage that goes “Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence”. That includes ignorance, agenda driven thinking, greed, vanity, stubbornness, and the list goes on and on.
We see this as “Monday morning quarterbacks”, but any carefully considered plan of action beforehand often shatters upon first contact with reality.  
The Universe has its own rules.
Consider the Governing Body as if they were a Military High Command, as General Officers whose mission is to direct an invasion of Publishers to an Evil World of humans and make them into Disciples of Christ and worshippers of Jehovah God., 
It’s a tough job, and many mistakes will be made, with many “unnecessay” casualties.
Thats just the way it is, to achieve a victory on the battlefield of ideas, and in both cases, Theocratic and Secular, the same is true … the goal is victory, and it is a battlefield of ideas.
In the midst of World War II, two pivotal Allied operations would come to define the Western Front's path to victory. The first, known as "Operation Overlord," unfolded on June 6, 1944, along the coast of Normandy, France.
This audacious endeavor marked the largest amphibious invasion in history, as thousands of Allied troops stormed the beaches. The toll of D-Day was staggering, with an estimated 10,000 Allied casualties, including those killed, wounded, and missing.
Operation Overlord's success would ultimately serve as a critical turning point in the war, establishing a foothold in Nazi-occupied Europe.
The Society’s Governing Body,  and the Allied Forces  General Staff each have the same problem. They each get a lot of people killed, wounded or missing in action because they themselves are as flawed as the “enemy”.
How can you make this not happen?
You can’t.
However, the road to victory was far from linear. Just a few months later, in September 1944, the Allies launched "Operation Market Garden" in a bold attempt to expedite their advance into Germany. “Bold” in this case meant the operation was stupidly concieved and executed based on bad information, and delusional planners.
This complex operation focused on capturing a series of strategic bridges in the Netherlands, opening a direct path to the heart of Nazi-occupied Europe.
Market Garden's ambitious plan involved a massive airborne assault and ground forces. The cost, though, was substantial, with approximately 17,200 Allied casualties, including those killed, wounded, and missing.. 
Operation Market Garden was marked by both triumphs and setbacks, with the famous "bridge too far" at Arnhem remaining out of Allied hands. Despite its challenges, it showcased the Allies' determination to push deeper into enemy territory.
I see important parallels. You may not.
These two operations, D-Day and Market Garden, played pivotal roles in the eventual defeat of Nazi Germany, demonstrating the courage and sacrifice of the Allied forces in their quest for freedom and victory.
You don’t fight a war, or send 8,000,000 Jehovah’s Witnesses into the field without wasted lives, screw-ups, and collateral damage, which means people get hurt and killed because … that’s what happens.
Courage and Sacrifice.
Sometimes you are sacrificed by incompetence, self serving leadership, or just plain stupidity.
That’s ALWAYS the price that has to be paid in the wars of ideas.
Get used to it.
I don’t like it either, but that’s the way reality works.
”Stuff Happens”,

You have written many good things.
But then, JW people should ask themselves why they today think that the words of the GB are as powerful as the "gospel"? Why are they obliged to follow doctrines and instructions that not only appear but are demonstrably unreasonable, from a human point of view. Because the human point of view is the only one we have. We do not have God's point of view. Only God has that. We have an interpretation of what we think, or believe, or claim to be God's point of view.

Did Pastor Russell start destroying his books after he realized there were errors in them? Did Pastor Russell withdraw his book from circulation and start issuing new editions with altered text because he concluded that there were inaccuracies in the original edition?
Does WTJWorg change the content of its digital "spiritual food", leaving no indication that the changes have been made or warning its readers that such a change is about to happen?
If there has been a change in CT Russell's status at WTJWorg in the meantime, that is a problem with today's leadership. But the appearance of Russell was for a long time JW's proof that YHVH through Russell is "restoring true worship" on Earth. This part of the Russell quote you posted supports the public lie Geoffrey Johnson told in his testimony before the ARC.
From both texts/statements it appears that WTJWorg is not the only organization or group of believers that "possess the truth", but that the truth can be found among people who are not part of them.
It is evident that such "religious truth" is not taught in JW congregations nor is it found on any digital content of your official site.
So here the main issue is not about who said it wrong or correctly, but it is about concealing historical accuracy and denying the manipulation of information that almost imperceptibly disappears from the screen.
Few, if any, JW people download digital material and create their own archives. Because of this, they cannot be able to compare things. They can only rely on their memory. And after a while they will begin to convince themself that they are misremembering or that they saw the wrong letters and words while reading. In this way, the WTJWorg Corporation does mental and psychological damage to its followers because it makes them insecure and unstable in themselves. How could you not, when you read one thing today, and tomorrow it's not there or it's written differently. It is really a method of "theocratic war" against one's own "soldiers of Christ".

Synopsis;
1.) All “Truth”, about ANYTHING, is of necessity progressive and changable.  We learn as we go.
2.) Don’t burn at the stake innocent people who are heretics to the current view.  It will change.
3.) For whatever faults CTR had, he preached Matthew 18, not today’s witch hunt.
 

Again Fausto, all you have to support your blind agenda is irrelevant piles of words, and ALWAYS ad-hominem attacks.
If that were not true, you would have spent your considerable effort dissecting and disproving the posted video proving that, with their own words, with their own printed publications!, the Society is in fact deliberately involved in temporal politics!
The reason, the REAL reason you did not do that, is that the documentation is crystal clear, and unassailable, both in content and authorship.
You already know this instinctively, and like the “overlapping generations” doctrine, cannot be explained or defended.
THOSE are the facts that are unassailable, because they so clearly are true.
You have ONLY opinion to counter the hard historical, and unimpeachable record that you refuse to address.
…. and of course your desperate attempt to “kill the messenger”., as if that would rewrite the Society’s published record.
As Bro. Russell said in the referenced article “What is Truth”, …. “ If Satan himself tells you the Truth, it is still the  truth.”
… and with that I will leave you and your multiple personalities to stew in your own juices.
 

In the search for understanding, it cannot be done without questioning!
Knowing this, GB does not allow their "understanding" to be questioned by followers. Well, they say that GB should be trusted because, supposedly, Jesus and YHVH trust them.
Really, who in their right mind can dare to question such a statement and claim and other blahblah of GB?

… when someone says “You can trust us, because Jehovah and Jesus trusts us.”….
….. make them pay cash.
 

In the search for understanding, it cannot be done without questioning!
Knowing this, GB does not allow their "understanding" to be questioned by followers. Well, they say that GB should be trusted because, supposedly, Jesus and YHVH trust them.
Really, who in their right mind can dare to question such a statement and claim and other blahblah of GB?

Sock puppets?

I’m sorry … did  miss the comprehensive reply to your assertions that I challenged?
You know … the ones that I specified AND enumerated?
No defense?
I thought so ……
…. no surprise there.
You are “projecting”…. Again ….  
 

1.)   How do you define “progressiveness”? The general society seems to have an evolved definition that changes daily.
And does the truth of God REALLY coincide with the truth proclaimed by the Watchtower?
Let’s test that:
1.a)   Where in the Bible, does God or Christ teach “overlapping generations”?
1.b)   Where in the Bible do the Apostles indicate that is what they were taught?
A “Mission Statement” and what is reality often falls short in ALL corporations.
1.c)   Please provide hard evidence that your above statement is not just a liberal progressive fantasy.
2.)   These two things are obviously not even close to being the same thing.
It is an arrogant false comparison that is intended as a veiled threat, common to all religious leaders since a tribal Shamen claimed the majority of meat for himself “… because God said so!”  
It is blatantly false to anyone with basic common sense. Nice try, though. 
3.)    I fully agree with that.
 New evidence has come out showing the “Cross” Jesus died on may have PROBABLY been more likely to be a two piece construct. Unfortunately Christendom’s guesses are sometimes more accurate than the Society’s guesses. This applies to all areas of theocratic analysis. They do get SOME things right!
Russell’s article in the very first Watchtower “What is Truth?” is an excellent touchstone to support or collapse all of my, or your above points.
“What is Truth” is worthy of framing and hanging up in the bedroom.