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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    In my last post I called it a booklet, instead of a book because I've only seen it in soft-cover. And because it was 128 pages long and 20 cents, this was a little smaller than the format they usually called a book.
    I do believe that some "diversionary" games have been played with this, since we can't make it go away. I don't think it started out in any sinister way, but there have been some real problems in the methods used to minimize it. There are a lot of parallels between 1925 and 1975, which might seem disturbing if looked at too closely, but the real problem, I think is that the conditions at the beginning of the post 1914 era were of "Biblical proportions" in the sense of how the world probably surprised itself at the viciousness and scope of the war, and famine and pestilence were also of "Biblical proportions" especially the Spanish Influenza. The 1975 era required a bit more propaganda to create the necessary levels of fear to make it seem to be of "Biblical proportions" but as G.R. pointed out, we weren't creating that propaganda, we were just collecting all doomsday propaganda that fit our assumed timetable. We were collecting it because it fit other pieces of the puzzle, like the generation of people who would not pass away, and who were around 15 in 1914, making them 90 years old in 1975.
    But these supposedly "perfect storms" of conditions can't work without someone in authority driving it. Especially not with the training of Bible Student and Witness mentality. We are sheep. We can be told how to feel, what to fear, when to hide, when to come out and be bold. In the case of 1925 it took a man who was willing to drive the point home over and over again that these were the strongest evidences that the Bible Students would ever see about anything like this. And by a man who needed to understand evidence and proof for his previous livelihood as an attorney. Yet this same man was willing to forego all real evidence for the sloppiest kind of thinking:
    The basic idea was that there would be a "Great Jubilee" and -- without any Biblical support -- he agreed that 70 sounded like a good number of 50-year jubilees to make a "Great Jubilee." 70 times 50 is 3,500, so all he needed was to agree to a significant starting point that was about 3,500 years earlier and which would end a few years after the current year. After 1914 failed, Bible Students (in 1916) were already looking at the idea (based on an assumed but flimsy chronology) that the previous jubilee had ended around 1875, and they figured that the next one was 1925. Russell didn't like the idea, but it had already been offered as a question for him. This was because if they started it at one of the popular (but flimsy) dates for the entrance of Israel into the Promised Land, then 3,500 years supposedly ended in 1925.
    This was how flimsy and unbiblical the actual calculation was for 1925. Of course, they also had the supposed "double" punishment for Israel's sins which they took to mean that the number of years would be duplicated for the time of spiritual Israel. They found some supposed historical dates for the final desolation of Judea in 73 C.E. based on Eusebius and Josephus, and found a way to make this look significant (33 + 40) and then used this and some vague notions about how much had happened already since 1914: Jewish Zionism, Spanish Flu, Russian Revolution, etc.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in RUSSIA: Criminal investigations of 69 Jehovah's Witnesses   
    RUSSIA: Criminal investigations of 69 Jehovah's Witnesses - list
    By Victoria Arnold, Forum 18

    Full list of 69 Jehovah's Witnesses charged or named as suspects or currently on trial for "extremism"-related offences as of 13
    September 2018. Of these, 25 are in detention, 9 under house arrest and 30 under travel restrictions. Four are thought not to be
    under restrictions.
    Since January 2018, law enforcement agencies have been raiding Jehovah's Witness homes across Russia, often involving armed riot
    police or National Guard troops. These raids are usually led by the Investigative Committee, but the FSB security service and
    anti-extremism police have also participated.
    Consequently, 69 Jehovah's Witnesses - listed below - are under criminal investigation or on trial as of 13 September 2018 (see
    F18News 13 September 2018 <http://www.forum18.org/archive.php?article_id=2412>).
    Of these, 65 are under investigation as a direct result of the Supreme Court's 20 April 2017 decision (upheld on 17 July 2017) to
    outlaw the Jehovah's Witness Administrative Centre and its subdivisions as "extremist" and ban all their activities nationwide.
    A further four Jehovah's Witnesses were charged with extremism-related offences before the ban came into force. Three of these are
    already on trial; it is unknown when the fourth will appear in court.
    Restrictive measures
    After extensive searches of their properties and confiscation of personal belongings, Jehovah's Witnesses are usually taken to a
    police station or FSB or Investigative Committee office for questioning. Interrogations can last many hours, and sometimes continue
    through the night. Officers may then release them or hold them at a temporary detention centre for 48 hours. After 48 hours,
    individuals may be released under travel restrictions or investigators request a court to approve longer-term restrictive measures -
    house arrest or pre-trial detention.
    Travel restrictions may be applied indefinitely, but investigators must renew them every two weeks - when summoned, a suspect or
    accused person must attend the relevant law enforcement agency to sign another undertaking not to leave the town or district.
    A judge may place an individual under house arrest for an initial period of two months, towards the end of which investigators must
    go back to court to seek an extension. Under house arrest, a person may not leave his or her home (unless under special dispensation
    to go to hospital or, in some cases, to work), receive visitors, send or receive post, use the telephone, or use the internet.
    A judge may place an individual in pre-trial detention also for an initial period of two months, towards the end of which
    investigators must go back to court to seek an extension.
    Individuals may appeal to a higher court to have these restrictive measures lifted or reduced. A new law signed by President
    Vladimir Putin on 3 July stipulates that one day in pre-trial detention now counts as one and half days in a correctional colony after
    sentencing (this will be applied retroactively). Previously, custodial sentences were reduced by exactly the length of time a person
    had served in pre-trial custody.
    Investigators have opened criminal cases against these Jehovah's Witnesses under Article 282.2, Part 1 ("Organisation of the
    activities of a banned extremist organisation") or Part 2 ("Participation in the activities of a banned extremist organisation"), and in a
    few instances under Article 282.3, Part 1 ("Financing of extremist activity"). If convicted, they could receive lengthy prison
    sentences or heavy fines. It is unknown when any of their cases will come to court.
    Figures
    A total of 69 Jehovah's Witnesses have been charged or named as suspects or are currently on trial for extremism-related offences as
    of 13 September 2018. The majority of these people - 16 women, 49 men - are under investigation for "continuing the activities" of
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    the banned Jehovah's Witness Administrative Centre and its local communities.
    As of 13 September 2018, 25 people are in detention (24 men, 1 woman), nine people are under house arrest (all men), and 30
    people (13 women, 17 men) are under travel restrictions. One woman has been placed under specific restrictive conditions. Only
    four people (one woman, three men) are currently thought to be under no restrictions as the cases against them proceed.
    Full list
    Name, date of birth - date of initial arrest; date of decision to put in detention/under house arrest/under travel restrictions, date to be
    released; charged/suspect under [Criminal Code Article]; whether or not on Rosfinmonitoring "List of Terrorists and Extremists"
    --- 25 in Detention
    Ivanovo - Shuya
    1) Dmitry Vasilyevich Mikhailov, born 25 October 1977 - arrested on 19 April 2018; detained on 29 May 2018, until 19 October
    2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2 and Article 282.3, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Kemerovo
    2) Sergey Alekseyevich Britvin, born 1965 - arrested on 22 July 2018; detained on 24 July 2018, until 19 September 2018; suspect
    under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    3) Vadim Anatolyevich Levchuk, born 1972 - arrested on 22 July 2018; detained on 24 July 2018, until 19 September 2018; suspect
    under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Khabarovsk
    4) Valery Vasilyevich Moskalenko, born 1967 - arrested on 2 August 2018; detained on 3 August 2018, until at latest 2 October
    2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Kostroma
    5) Sergey Alekseyevich Rayman, born 1996 - arrested on 25 July 2018; detained on 26 July 2018, until at latest 25 September 2018;
    charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Krasnoyarsk
    6) Andrei Garafetanovich Stupnikov, born 17 September 1973 - arrested on 3 July 2018; detained on 4 July 2018, until 2 October
    2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Magadan
    7) Ivan Grigoryevich Puyda, born 5 November 1978 - arrested in Khabarovsk on 30 May 2018; detained in Magadan on 1 June
    2018, until 29 September 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    ? Sergey Liviyevich Yerkin, born 23 June 1953 - arrested on 30 May 2018; detained on 1 June 2018, until 30 September 2018;
    suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    9) Yevgeny Anatolyevich Zyablov, born 9 March 1977 - arrested on 30 May 2018; detained on 1 June 2018, until 29 September
    2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Murmansk - Polyarny
    10) Roman Nikolayevich Markin, born 18 March 1974 - arrested on 18 April 2018; detained no later than 20 April 2018, until 11
    October 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    11) Viktor Fyodorovich Trofimov, born 26 March 1957 - arrested on 18 April 2018; detained no later than 20 April 2018, until 12
    October 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Omsk
    12) Anastasiya Andreyevna Polyakova, born 25 May 1984 - arrested on 4 July 2018; detained on 6 July 2018, until 20 September
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    2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 15 August 2018
    13) Sergei Valeryevich Polyakov, 28 April 1972 - arrested on 4 July 2018; detained on 6 July 2018, until 20 September 2018;
    charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 15 August 2018
    Oryol
    14) Dennis Ole Christensen, born 18 December 1972 - arrested on 25 May 2017; detained on 26 May 2017, until 1 November 2018;
    currently on trial under Article 282.2 Part 1; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 27 March 2018
    Penza
    15) Vladimir Aleksandrovich Alushkin, born 30 June 1964 - arrested on 15 July 2018; detained on 17 July 2018, until 14 September
    2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 6 September 2018
    Primorye - Vladivostok
    16) Valentin Pavlovich Osadchuk, born 15 March 1976 - arrested on 19 April 2018; detained on 23 April 2018, until 20 September
    2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    17) Dmitry Viktorovich Barmakin, born 1974 - arrested in Nakhodka on 28 July 2018; detained on 30 July 2018, until 27 September
    2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Saratov
    18) Konstantin Viktorovich Bazhenov, born 10 May 1975 - arrested on 12 June 2018; detained on 14 June 2018, until 12 December
    2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    19) Aleksey Vladimirovich Budenchuk, born 27 July 1982 - arrested on 12 June 2018; detained on 14 June 2018, until 12 December
    2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    20) Feliks Khasanovich Makhammadiev, born 14 December 1984 - arrested on 12 June 2018; detained on 14 June 2018, until 12
    December 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Tatarstan - Naberezhnyye Chelny
    21) Ilkham Shamilyevich Karimov, born 9 February 1981 - arrested on 27 May; detained on 29 May 2018, until 25 September 2018;
    charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    22) Konstantin Viktorovich Matrashov, born 22 August 1988 arrested on 27 May; detained on 29 May 2018, until 25 September
    2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1 (and 1.1 and 2?); not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    23) Vladimir Nikolayevich Myakushin, born 6 November 1987 - arrested on 27 May; detained on 29 May 2018, until 25 September
    2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1 (and 1.1 and 2?); not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    24) Aydar Maratovich Yulmetyev, born August 1993 - arrested on 29 May; detained on 31 May 2018, until 25 September 2018;
    charged under Article 282.2, Part 1 (and 1.1 and 2?); not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Tomsk
    25) Sergey Gennadyevich Klimov, born 26 March 1970 - arrested on 3 June 2018; detained on 5 June 2018, until 31 October 2018;
    charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    --- 9 under House Arrest
    Bashkortostan - Ufa
    1) Anatoly Sergeyevich Vilitkevich, born 15 September 1986 - arrested on 10 April 2018; detained on 12 April 2018 and released on
    appeal on 21 June 2018; unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring
    List on 7 July 2018
    Magadan
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    2) Konstantin Nikolayevich Petrov, born 9 August 1986 - arrested on 30 May 2018; detained on 1 June 2018, until 29 July 2018;
    released from detention on appeal on 3 August and placed under house arrest; ; unknown when house arrest due to end; suspect
    under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Orenburg
    3) Vladislav Sergeyevich Kolbanov, born 27 November 1992 - arrested on 16 May 2018; put under house arrest on 19 May 2018;
    unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article 282.3, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    4) Aleksandr Gennadyevich Suvorov, born 20 April 1980 - arrested on 16 May; detained on 19 May, 2018, until 14 July 2018;
    released from detention on 3 August and placed under house arrest; unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article
    282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    5) Vladimir Yuryevich Kochnev, born 15 October 1979 - arrested on 16 May; detained on 19 May, 2018, until 14 July 2018 released
    from detention on 3 August and placed under house arrest; unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article 282.2, Part
    1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Penza
    6) Vladimir Aleksandrovich Kulyasov, born 17 April 1974 - arrested on 15 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under house
    arrest on 17 July 2018; unknown when house arrest will end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on
    6 September 2018
    7) Andrei Aleksandrovich Magliv, born 20 June 1984 - arrested on 15 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under house arrest on
    17 July 2018; unknown when house arrest will end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 6
    September 2018
    ? Denis Vladimirovich Timoshin, born 23 March 1980 - arrested on 15 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under house arrest
    on 17 July 2018; unknown when house arrest will end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 6
    September 2018
    Perm
    9) Aleksandr Vasilyevich Solovyov, born 13 February 1970 - arrested on 22 May 2018; put under house arrest on 24 May 2018;
    unknown when house arrest due to end; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    --- 30 under Travel Restrictions
    Amur
    1) Dmitry Mikhailovich Golik, born 26 March 1987 - arrested on 20 July 2018; unknown if detained for 48 hours or when placed
    under travel restrictions; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 30 August 2018
    Belgorod
    2) Anatoly Aleksandrovich Shalyapin, born 21 January 1994 - arrested on 7 February 2018; released under travel restrictions on 10
    February 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Ivanovo - Shuya
    3) Aleksey A., date of birth unknown - arrested 26 June 2018, unknown if detained for 48 hours; put under travel restrictions on
    unknown date; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; unknown if on Rosfinmonitoring List
    4) Yelena Valentinovna Mikhailova, born 9 August 1983 - arrested 29 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 22
    June 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2 and Article 282.3, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    5) Svetlana P., date of birth unknown - arrested on 26 June 2018, unknown if detained for 48 hours; put under travel restrictions on
    unknown date; unknown if charged or still suspect, under Article 282.2 Part 1 and Article 282.3 Part 1; unknown if on
    Rosfinmonitoring List
    6) Svetlana Yuryevna Shishina, born 16 November 1975 - arrested 29 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 22
    June 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2 and Article 282.3, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
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    Jewish Autonomous Region - Birobidzhan
    7) Alam Abdulaziz ogly Aliyev, born 14 January 1963 - arrested on 17 May 2018; detained on 18 May 2018 but released on appeal
    on 25 May 2018 and placed under travel restrictions; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; added to Rosfinmonitoring List between
    17 May and 13 June 2018
    Kabardino-Balkariya - Maysky
    ? Yury Viktorovich Zalipayev, born 8 October 1962 - case opened in August 2017; put under travel restrictions on 24 April 2018;
    currently on trial under Article 280, Part 1 and Article 282, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Kabardino-Balkariya - Prokhladny
    9) Arkadya Akopovich Akopyan, born 28 May 1948 - put under travel restrictions on 3 May 2017; currently on trial under Article
    282, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Kamchatka - Yelizovo
    10) Snezhana Yevgenyevna Bazhenova, born 1977 - arrested on 19 August 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under travel
    restrictions on 21 August 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    11) Vera Ivanovna Zolotova, born 1946 - arrested on 19 August 2018 and detained for 48 hours; put under travel restrictions on 21
    August 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Orenburg
    12) Pavel Aleksandrovich Lekontsev, born 5 July 1981 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 16
    May 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    13) Sergey Viktorovich Logunov, born 28 November 1962 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on
    16 May 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    14) Aleksey Nikolayevich Matveyev, born 23 April 1983 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 16
    May 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    15) Olga Timofeyevna Sandu, born 31 March 1984 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on 16 May
    2018 but has since left Russia; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    16) Fail Samigullovich Shangareyev, born 16 December 1960 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions
    on 16 May 2018 but has since left Russia; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    17) Nikolay Nikolayevich Zhugin, born 14 February 1976 - arrested 16 May 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on
    16 May 2018; charged under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Oryol
    18) Sergei Vladimirovich Skrynnikov, born 30 October 1962 - arrested 25 May 2017 but not detained beyond 48 hours; put under
    travel restrictions on 13 March 2018; charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 27 March 2018
    Vladivostok, Primorye
    19) Nailya Sunatovna Kogay, born 5 October 1951 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April; charged
    under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    20) Lyubov Aleksandrovna Galaktionova, born 1947 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April; charged
    under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    21) Nina Ivanovna Purge, born 19 June 1940 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April; charged under
    Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    22) Raisa Mikhailovna Usanova, born 28 September 1947 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April;
    charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
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    23) Yelena Viktorovna Zayshchuk, born 25 August 1934 - arrested on 19 April 2018; put under travel restrictions on 19 April;
    charged under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Pskov
    24) Gennady Valerianovich Shpakovsky, born 6 October 1958 - arrested on 3 June 2018; put under travel restrictions on unknown
    date; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; added to Rosfinmonitoring List on 6 July 2018
    Sakha-Yakutiya - Lensk
    25) Igor Nikolayevich Ivashin, born 16 April 1976 - arrested on 30 June or 1 July; put under travel restrictions on 2 July; suspect
    under unknown Article; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Saratov
    26) Gennady Vasilyevich German, born 12 June 1969 - arrested on 12 June 2018 but not detained beyond 48 hours; put under travel
    restrictions on 14 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    27) Roman Aleksandrovich Gridasov, born 16 September 1978 - arrested on 12 June 2018 but not detained beyond 48 hours; put
    under travel restrictions on 14 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    28) Aleksey Petrovich Miretsky, born 14 December 1975 - arrested on 12 June 2018 but not detained beyond 48 hours; put under
    travel restrictions on 14 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Tatarstan - Naberezhnyye Chelny
    29) Zinaida Viktorovna Soldatova, born 2 April 1967 - arrested on 27 March 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions on
    12 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Parts 1, 1.1, and 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    30) Valentina Ivanovna Stepkina, born 18 January 1951 - arrested on 27 March 2018 but not detained; put under travel restrictions
    on 6 June 2018; suspect under Article 282.2 Parts 1, 1.1, and 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    --- 1 under Specific Restrictions
    Kostroma
    1) Valeriya Aleksandrovna Rayman, born 1993 - arrested on 25 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours; released on 27 July 2018 but
    not allowed to; go out at night; use the internet, telephone, or postal service; or talk to anybody else involved in the case; charged
    under Article 282.2, Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    --- 4 under No known restrictions
    Belgorod
    1) Sergey Aleksandrovich Voykov, born 28 August 1975 - arrested on 7 February 2018; released under travel restrictions on 10
    February 2018, which later lapsed; suspect under Article 282.2 Part 2; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Kamchatka - Yelizovo
    2) Konstantin Aleksandrovich Bazhenov, born 1977 - arrested on 19 August 2018; detained on 21 August 2018, until 18 October
    2018; released on appeal on 29 August 2018; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    Kamchatka - Vilyuchinsk
    3) Yelena Vyacheslavovna Popova, born 1963 - arrested on 30 July 2018 and detained for 48 hours, extended to 72 hours; placed
    under house arrest on 3 August 2018; released from house arrest on appeal on 10 August 2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1
    and Article 282.2, Part 1.1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    4) Mikhail Yuryevich Popov, born 1962 - arrested on 30 July 2018; detained on 1 August 2018; released on appeal on 9 August
    2018; suspect under Article 282.2, Part 1 and Article 282.2, Part 1.1; not on Rosfinmonitoring List
    (END)
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    I understand that it is being discussed at World HQ running a special issue of the Watchtower, explaining the "signs from the heavens ..." that Hurricane Florence will be picking up sharks from the Atlantic Ocean, and dumping them in front yards, back yards, and on old peoples homes.
    If at the Warwick GB conference room this is actually discussed, and it gets 67% of the votes of the GB, then this will be official "New Light".... "New Truth".
    Absurd, you say?  No, No NO!
    It follows well established patterns of reason and logic for over a HUNDRED YEARS  There is actually NO RISK to this as the credibility gap is WELL exceeded by the gullibility fill. 
    Add to that is that if we refuse to believe it, we can be disfellowshipped for Apostasy, and that adds MASSIVE believability  in the real world .
    Stay tuned to see if this report is true, or merely a satire.
     

    Gravity Electricity Wind .mp4  
    ... and remember, when you vote for what is true .... vote early, and vote often !
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    @JW Insider this is definitely Allen. For some reason he has always been jealous, that I "admire" you
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Sounds like a waste of time. But I'm retired, so I'll tell you what I would come up with:
    ..."millions now living will never die."... This was a risky prophecy to make. But the risk probably didn't seem too high at the time since, after the failure of 1914, Rutherford said that people had more on which to base their faith in this prophecy than Noah had on which to base his faith in Jehovah telling him there would be a Flood. He said that there was more Bible evidence for 1925 than there was for 1914. But it turned out to be a false prophecy. So it turned out to be a "lie" in the Biblical sense, but it might not have been intentional if the human sources of this false prophecy believed it, and those who repeated it had faith in that human source. "'The Finished Mystery,' the posthumous work of Pastor Russell" . . . This book quoted many times from Russell, but was definitely not the posthumous work of Pastor Russell. (For that matter, the title of the book was a lie, because it promoted itself as the final explanation of the mysteries of Ezekiel and Revelation, yet almost every explanation of the "mystery" in it is now considered to be false.) The Watch Tower publications explained why they called it the "posthumous" work of Pastor Russell in a very odd way. It was because, as a spirit creature who had just died, Russell was supposedly still alive in the spirit world (heaven) in 1917: "Though Pastor Russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the harvest work." according to "The Finished Mystery" page 144. It was clearly believed that Russell could still continue to influence the Watch Tower Society's publications in a way analogous to how Jehovah influenced the Bible writers. "Since 1881 everybody ridiculed Pastor Russell . . ." Not everybody. Some believed him. Most people in the world had still never heard of him. According to current WT publications, many created a "cult" around him. Rhetorical hyperbole, not necessarily a "lie." "Since 1881. . . the International Bible Students Association" . . . The International Bible Students Association [IBSA] did not exist until 1914 when it was incorporated in London. Before then Bible Students used the simple name "Bible Students" or "Associated Bible Students." Some refused a name, and some even called themselves Russellites and names related to Millennial Dawn, etc. This is not a "lie," just a potentially misleading ambiguity. "Since 1881. . . Pastor Russell's [and IBSA's] message that the Bible prophesied a world war in 1914." The Bible never prophesied a single world war between multiple nations, but this could be a matter of interpretation. The Bible never prophesied anything whatsoever to do with the year 1914. In 1881, and for the next 20-some years, Russell and the IBSA promised that 1914 would be the year when the expected worldwide trouble would end, not begin. All human systems would collapse in 1914, governments, institutions, religions. There would be chaos for several months, but there would be no earthly governments remaining who would be capable of prosecuting such a war. The 7/15/1894 Watch Tower, p.226 said: "But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." "but the war came on time." Very misleading. By the time late 1913 had rolled around, Russell pretty much gave up hope and faith in this 1914 date and moved it to 1915. For a few months even into 1914, Russell even gave up altogether and talked about there being no chance of all that was expected actually happening on time, and he conceded that they must have been wrong, and talked about the prospect that 100 years from now [2014], people might wonder what all this talk had been about. As it was, in about 1904 they had moved the expectation of the great time of trouble to 1914 (sometimes 1915) and began holding to the idea that this time of trouble might happen around October 1st or 2nd 1914. A world war broke out in July and gave them hope that this might be the beginnings of a worldwide collapse of all nations, governments, religions and other human institutions, where the only government with continued authority would be that of literal Israel in Palestine, and God would take a spiritual Israel to rule from heaven in 1914. It turned out, instead, to be a world war between several nations, and many more nations existed after the war, than were numbered before the war -- the opposite of the expectation of all nations disintegrating. Also Israel didn't get back on the map until decades later, and Israel never did become the only remaining human government on earth. Nothing predicted about 1914 ever came true. The most important things proved to be quite the opposite. "and now the message of his final work" . . . Again with the false attribution to Russell who did not work on this book. It was written by George Fisher and Clayton Woodworth along with the claim that Russell had communicated from beyond the veil as a spirit creature to write it posthumously (after he died). "It is an absolute fact. . ." . . . The phrase most often prefixed to bigger than usual lies, especially to sell products. You don't usually have to look at the next phrase to know that it won't usually be true. "It is an absolute fact, stated in every book of the Bible. . ."  Like I said, you didn't need to look. It's absolutely false. "It is an absolute fact. . . foretold by every prophet of the Bible" . . . Just like with the books, it turned out that it was not predicted by any book of the Bible nor any prophet of the Bible. Calling it thus is just an embarrassing way of trying to say you are a prophet speaking in Jehovah's name, sticking your neck out further to make sure that people will later see you as a false prophet if your fantastic guesses don't happen to come true. "well worth a few evenings' time for investigation." . . . Quite the opposite. In fact, anyone who wants to discuss the book today among Witnesses will usually be suspected of apostasy. Even though it is still touted as a book that supposedly had the "ring of truth" no one can go more than a couple pages in the book without coming across something that Witnesses now recognize as false, if not embarrassingly false. And remember, the purpose of this investigation was to prove to yourself that Armageddon was culminating in 1925. "The Golden Age" . . . The idea was that the Golden Age had already begun when the Millennium dawned back in 1874 and various advances in the world, new technology, and even medical advances and theories (that turned out to be from quacks and fraudsters) were supposed to give evidence that the Millennium had started 45 or more years earlier. "both for two seventy-five (don't say dollars)" . . .  This speaks for itself. Internally, the persons who distributed most of these books were spoken of as selling the book, and book salesman could make a profit if they sold enough. The sales process was not so different from the way "colporteurs" in those days were selling books along with Fuller Brushes, Carter's Little Liver Pills, Bibles, Encyclopedias, etc. (Books by Mark Twain [Samuel Clemens] were a profitable moneymaker for colporteurs for many years. See below.)  If you followed the sales instructions and learned the pitch you could make a profit, whether you believed in the content or quality of the material or not. This reminds me of a story I heard about colporteurs who used to sell the books of Mark Twain in the late 1800s and early 1900's. They could be had in about 4 or more levels of quality. The idea was also to upsell them on a better quality book if the householder agreed to a lower quality, or if they said no to the price of the highest quality (leatherbound, embossed, lithographs, etc.) then they might finally agree to a lower quality. It was a very irritating process to the householder. The goal of course was to get them moved to absolute most they might pay, so they might even split it up with part now and part cash on delivery. Just a quick search didn't find me the story, but I did notice this in a book called "Mark Twain's Road to Bankruptcy," below. You can see that "colporteurs" were not considered the best of society at the time.

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Just as the "Ministry of Truth" did in the book "1984" by George Orwell, the Society is revising History, wherever they can, to change graphic images ( posters, handbills, and other things that might be used in a current illustration) to read "Millions now living MAY never die." (emphasis mine).
    The book "1984 was SUPPOSED to be a fictional dire warning of how societies evolve into a perpetual tyranny over time, and showing how it could happen.
    We us it as a policy manual.
    In "1984"  England  had evolved into INGSOC, and the way they maintained total social control was by changing the past by changing all historical references .... and by controlling the past, controlled the present, and controlled the future .... making it difficult or impossible to check the past for truthful references to ANYTHING.
    The Society today is actively using this technique to change the past. In many cases the bound volumes of the Watchtowers and Awakes have been revised and do not show what was in the original magazines, and convention videos today mentioning our history make you wonder if they are talking about something that happened somewhere in a parallel Universe.
    The "Millions now living may never die" is only THE classic example of rewriting the past, to control the present, and by controlling the present, control the future.
    Here are two videos that explain "1984".
    Watch them and weep.
     
     

    The Dystopian World of 1984 Explained.mp4 George Orwell's 1984, Part 2_ Crash Course Literature #402 (1).mp4  
    NOW ... find the movie "1984", and watch it. It has a superstar of yesteryear in it ... but you hardly notice.
     
     
     
  7. Haha
    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Actually, I use 18 size fonts because that's the size text I think in.  
    Also, you may have noticed that my text is black, not dark grey, because, I think in ink.
  8. Thanks
    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    This is just a small aside, for entertainment purposes. But I was reminded that it might be worth mentioning when I read about smear campaigns, ad hominem attacks, desperation, frustration and negative discourse.
    A lot of people have probably noticed that over on the right side of the page you can usually find a little box like this one:

    Out of habit I glance at it whenever I read a recent post, for reasons that might become obvious in a minute. Less than an hour ago "Grey Reformer" disappeared and I suspected that another name might take its place. Sure enough, within a couple minutes "Gray Reformer" was no longer online and the name "Alithís Gnosis" took its place. I knew what to expect, because I recognized the name as an alias of someone who evidently keeps a couple dozen such alias names. I expected a barrage of down votes or laughter votes or "sad votes." This time it was a short campaign of "sad votes." Then, as expected, "Alithís Gnosis" disappeared from the "Who's Online" list and the name "Grey Reformer" was found it its place again.

    Probably just a coincidence ?, but the same thing happened a few days ago when another of his aliases went offline (I won't say who this time)  and it was immediately replaced by "Grey Reformer." This was right after that other easily recognized alias also took the opportunity to offer a short barrage of down votes. Full disclosure: I have seen this same coincidence happen literally dozens of times with the same set of aliases.
    Coincidences don't necessarily give a true picture, but they can certainly be entertaining.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    You are right, Alithis Gnosis:
    Some people will never, ever get the point of logic, and increased font size will not help them.
    You can educate an ignorant man ... but there is nothing that can be done for stupid.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    I stay with Jehovah's Witnesses because the core theology is sound, and true .... and not because of the 85% arrogant self serving drivel I have to endure, and the resultant damage on the Brotherhood ... for three reasons:
    1.) I appreciate what is actually true is exclusive to Jehovah's Witnesses, and there is nowhere else to go, and
    2.) I have learned to expect as a natural right NOTHING from anybody, and
    3.) I do not fear death as some do .... might be a good chance to test what I think I know.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Example:
    Because of my love for dogs, my heart firmly and absolutely believes my dogs who have died will be waiting for me at the Rainbow Bridge. (Look it up).  There is absolutely no shred of doubt in my heart. None whatsoever. Anywhere.
    My mind knows, based on what is true, that it is a complete fantasy.
    I am stuck believing with ALL my heart and soul, something that is a complete fantasy, and is not true.
    In that regard, but about different subjects, you and I share the same affliction.
    We have brains ... we must use them.
    That is what adults are supposed to do.
    As Yoda says, if I remember correctly .... : "There is only DO .... There is no try"
    Do or Do not There is no try Yoda.mp4
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Not wish to offend Mr. G. Reformer. But one possible explanation why you G.R. has (and all other, as me too before few years) this feelings and attitude is, as i see, in problem (it is not problem in fact but tool by with what we as person can move in two possible direction)  called Cognitive Dissonance.
    All people that is/was facing with at least two opposite information are entering in this inner condition of brain, of intellect, of soul, of spirituality and found himself in very big trouble.     
    You can deny all information's, even facts and stick to your belief in order to "survive" and to stay where you are now (in JWorg) because it is "easier" for mind and heart. By staying in JWorg option you will not destroy your "imagination". Imagination created by WT and by you. On this mutual project you put much efforts, energy, love, faith, money, health, time etc. To leave it, it means a defeat. Defeat for you. Not for WT. They will survive as Company, because they ARE Company.
    But you, you can lose everything you built, for many years perhaps. That is very scary!
    But dreaded idea to abandon, left  this "safe WT port" makes you, and many other JW,  ready to continue to believe in WT deception.
    :((    
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Grey Reformer:
    Your entire thinking processes are contaminated by your honorable but misguided agenda.
    You cannot defend what is indefensible, and expect to win an argument based on reason and logic when evaluating TRUTH.
    What I just quoted from you is SCARY ... to a logical mind.
    It uses the same lack of reasoning that "...all prostitutes wear shoes ... so all people that wear shoes are prostitutes".
    Grow up !!
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Exactly! I gave actual facts and you just keep giving non-specific generalities and complaints that a small percentage of the actual facts and evidence from Watch Tower publications were also found on an apostate website, and therefore you seem to feel that they can therefore be ignored or distorted. Unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that sincere people will see right through, and they will see us as more and more dishonest. It's disappointing. How about some actual facts?
  15. Haha
    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Currently, at Warwick World HQ, it takes translators to decipher an apology before it is printed in the publications.

  16. Haha
    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Speaking of CANDOR ... the following cartoon is how "candor" works at Warwick World Headquarters, as well as at other businesses ... EVERYWHERE. 
    We are NOT immune to this!
    It's a cartoon ... but what makes it funny ( and grabs your chest in a queasy sort of way generating sadness ...) is because there is SO MUCH TRUTH, in this satire of what is REAL.
     

    Here is a joke for you:
    QUESTION: What do you call "candor" ... bundled with insincere kindness?
    ANSWER::  No one knows, as truth is being deliberately obscured.
     
     

    Your homework (should you decide to accept) is to print out the above CANVAS on an 8-1/2x11" piece of paper and find the six things that are deliberate lies, and write it  on the margins of your paper.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Let me make it easy for you. In this post I will include every single word I have ever quoted from the jwfacts.com site, where it was not merely a quotation from a Watch Tower publication.
    THIS TOPIC: ZERO (nothing under this topic was remotely related to jwfacts, not even a Watch Tower quotation!) The 1925/1975 TOPIC: ZERO (two posts; only using WT quotes from jwfacts, nothing except WT quotes) The Armageddon Predictions TOPIC: ZERO (in only one post, all quotes from jwfacts are only direct WT quotes) I admit that I also quoted a Watch Tower publication from his site (Trey Bundy's) about two years ago to show where his site was factually wrong about the timing of the transition from 1874/78 to 1914. This again was not anything he had written himself, but a quote from a Watch Tower publication.
    After I have included the complete list of every word I quoted from jwfacts, you will have the opportunity to tell everyone what you thought was wrong with the Watch Tower quote. If a Watch Tower quote is wrong just because it was typed out on an apostate site, then all someone would have to is try to put ALL Watch Tower publications on an apostate site and you could never quote from hardly any Watch Tower publications again! In fact, I think "avoidJW" did that very thing.
    So again, you should notice that I never quoted a word from his site that was not part of a direct quote from Watch Tower publications. The reason for this is that the Watchtower Library only takes Awake! magazines back to 1970, and only includes books that go back to the late 1970's, and I thought I might be quoting from 1966 thru 1968 Awakes and both the Truth book and the Life Everlasting book from 1968 and 1966, respectively. I also noticed while I was there that he had already retyped the Watch Tower's words from after the failures of 1925 and 1914.
    ======reference=======
    FOR REFERENCE, here is everything that was quoted from the site jwfacts.com, repeated below. In each post where I took the Watch Tower quotes directly from his site, I referenced jwfacts, because he had done the work of formatting the Watch Tower reference publication title and page numbers, and in some cases he had included his own highlighting of specific words.
    FROM THE "ARMAGEDDON PREDICTIONS" TOPIC:
    The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216
    "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." Watchtower 1984 Mar 1 pp.18-19
    "Some of that "generation" could survive until the end of the century. But there are many indications that "the end" is much closer than that!" "Let Your Kingdom Come" (1981) p.102
    But now in our 20th century, we have come to the time for harvest, "a conclusion of a system of things, and the reapers are angels"! Watchtower 1989 Jan 1 p.12
    "He was laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century." There is also a quote from the 1966 Life Everlasting book and a 1968 Awake! where I picked up some of the Watch Tower's words from his site rather than retype them myself. The rest of the quotations from Watch Tower publications I quoted directly from looking them up in the Watchtower Library, except for the long quotes from 1881 Zion's Watch Tower which I picked up from a Bible Student site called agsconsulting.com. In both cases I ended up at jwfacts because I had typed: "Shortly within our twentieth century" in Google and jwfacts was the first choice, and when I typed "Zion's Watch Tower May 1881" into Google, the Bible Student site was the third choice.
    FROM THE 1925/1975 . . . Why did so many people leave? TOPIC (found in two separate posts):
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    False. Everyone should deny falsehoods.
    I agree that former Witnesses can be dishonest. I wouldn't judge them as the least honest people alive.  I have seen evidence of some dishonesty among some, but don't think any human even has a way to know if they are more or less honest than current Witnesses. My guess is that they would be about the same, on average -- less honest on some topics and more honest on some topics, depending on whether they are trying to promote or protect a specific ideology.
    I don't defend the views of ex-Witnesses except where the evidence happens to coincide with their views, in which case we don't have much choice if we are honest. I'm opposed to dishonesty so I try not to deny evidence. If some of that evidence is found in their distorted publications, we should still be willing to look at the same evidence, even while identifying how they have distorted the use or conclusions made from it. This does NOT mean we will agree with their views, especially if they are distorting the evidence. Furthermore, we don't even need to look at their views to make a judgment on the accuracy and relevance of the evidence they present.
    By "evidence" here, I'm referring specifically to quotations from Watch Tower publications. After checking a few hundred of these quotations found on many different sites, I get the impression that ex-Witnesses are even more careful than Witnesses when it comes to accuracy of the actual quotes. I've also seen some misquotes and misuse of context, mistakes, and outright dishonesty from some ex-Witnesses, too. But for the most part I think they realize that their argument is immediately lost, if a Witness were to find an inaccurate quote.
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from BillyTheKid46 in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Some WT publications in articles that talk about the end of 6,000 years, and these are the well-known passages on the Internet, even today show that people of that time had great expectations about 1975. And today's reader, by reading same quotes, who did not live in that time and euphoria about a possible future, may come to the conclusion that JW expected change on global scale (nothing new in fact,  IBS and then JW expected that change more then one time, and still now talking "the end is very near")
    Is there a sentence in an article that speaks directly or indirectly about some details about 1975 may not be a crucial thing that have to give us an answer today to the question of truth and honesty of WT, and then of the JW member too.
    JW brothers and sisters in the time before 1975 had the expectation that change might occur. Did those who had hoped for the new world were a lot or a few, what motives they had and why, that is irrelevant !! WT has given material, spiritual food that has led to the warming up of interest for the possibility in coming of Armageddon and for the Kingdom that will rule over the Earth.
    This very fact how 1975 is mentioned not only by ex-JW, but also by JW members and was/is of public speaks and in WT magazines show how something was controversial and  disputable in connection/with 1975.
    I was baptized in 1977, started study "blue bomb" in 1975. And have memorized that 1975 was year that some JW with whom i had contacts (elders too)  expected how something will happen. 
    Today, I drove a car to the service and returned by bus to the city. One sister, her husband is elder, recognized me after many years and she knew I was no longer JW, started talking to me. She said how she is very happy for getting  new job (in school) after been unemployment for some time, and now can easier to repay the mortgage. In the end she told me that she is hoping  I will return to the assembly because "now is very close to the end".   What is interesting, she and her husband was single workers at Zagreb Betel. They get married and continue work in Betel. After some years must left because personal problems, She became suicidal. Her husband was one to whom i send many quotes from articles, before few years, in English language, about some issues and 1975 also. He never responded to my e-mails. 
    Well, JW people living from generation to generation with similar "now is very close to the end". 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Agendas can be proven wrong with FACTS.
    Facts cannot be proven wrong with Agendas.
    No matter how noble the motive ....
    Wrong is Wrong.
     

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Grey Reformer:
    Please go back and re-read what you have written in the last several weeks. It is all extremely consistent.
    You care NOTHING about actual facts ... if it disagrees with your agenda.
    In the very first issue of the Watchtower, Bro. C. T. Russel stated that ( heavily paraphrased) "The truth is the truth, no matter what the source ... if Satan tells you something that is true... it's still true".
    That is still true today.
     

     
     

     
    You may want to download BOTH  JPGs,  but especially the quote from Bro. Charles Taze Russel, which started the whole shebang of modern day Jehovah''s Witnesses ... based ON THIS PRINCIPLE. ... " What is Truth ?" It is high resolution, and easier to read when downloaded and enlarged.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in 1975 was in the past. Are we HONEST about it TODAY?   
    Sounds like an excuse for murder to me.
  23. Haha
    Srecko Sostar reacted to TheWorldNewsOrg in Adopt a cat and a dog, they said.   
    via .ORGWorld News
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in If the organization did not actually prophesy the end in 1925 and 1975, then how come so many Witnesses left the faith immediately afterwards?   
    Gone Away:
    I very much appreciate your perspective, and wish I could be so cavalier ... but faith in Jehovah God and his Christ is much to be desired ... and faith in men who are duplicitous and dishonest continually for  a half century and more is idolatry.
  25. Haha
    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Armageddon Predictions by Jehovah's Witnesses   
    In order to show works befitting repentance, you must take a small regional airline flight from Rochester, to Warwick, NY, stare at the bulkhead between pilots and crew, hang a piece of yarn from you lips, and repeat 2,500 times "You can call me Admiral True Tom".
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