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WHY would Jehovah's Witnesses reject Government  calls for Independent Inquiry into sexual abuse?

I took that as a joke ... but then again ... if the Governing Body through its "s-POKES-people", their "Helpers" declare that if two people are naked in chairs, facing each other, and masturbating WHILE WATCHING EACH OTHER is NOT pornea ... WHICH THEY DID ... that is enough to make your head spin and exclaim "What the HELL is going on up there! ?"
... are they COMPLETELY and TOTALLY divorced from reality?

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JWI, thanks for the informative post above. I'll understand if this request may not be possible, but do you care to share more info on the case you speak of? A link would be fine for a newbie like me.

Nice comparison. In material sense we can compare Jesus and Widow to some level. Before, until he came to age 30 Jesus making jobs and perhaps earn some "money" ( ohhh this money issue again :))))). Was he and his family poor or "middle class" Jew people. Guess he have simple (in material way) life, modest family.
How contrary in compare to nowadays religious leaders (even WT leaders about whom you hold back to make any comments)  who making big, expensive and modern worshiping centers, headquarters and handle with millions (currency).   
 

After watching ARC testimonies  of Australian elders on same issue, i can agree how both of yours statement are good in all 3 elements:
1) elders gave impression (of all kinds in my perception. WT organized all sort of curses for elders, well maybe curses are useless or children aka elders in such  school are lazy students)
2. they knew nothing about how to handle this issue (must be taken in consideration how WT Legal Department guiding elders and expects from elders to be in line with these WT provision. Did elders ask WT or not, what was given  instructions and other details are unknown) 
3. elders broke the law (good or not "Worldly law" must be obeyed if elders respect verses in Bible about secular authorities)  

AllenSmith:
You are confusing faith in the Almighty God, with gullibility drooling over the opinions of people neither inspired of God, nor infallible ... and even though they were forced by outside sources to admit it ... I give them credit that they did admit it .... even if it was almost hidden in the February 2017 Watchtower, as a synopsis of a hundred years of goofiness, pretending to be the Guardians of Doctrine, that they themselves made up out of thin air for their own profit and aggrandizement...

And I did not "sign up" to be a witness for the Watchtower, and have never even pretended to do so.
I seriously doubt anyone who has ever met me would consider me "Brother Watchtower" ....

John the Baptist's  "private trial" resulted in an innocent man being beheaded.
Bill Cosby's public trial resulted in a guilty man being convicted.
AllenSmith ... you have just unknowingly proved all my points!
You ran the risk of using real life examples, and it bit your butt off!
 

If the goal is to imitate the hierarchy of the Catholic Church, we are well on our way.
Already we are baptizing children as young as 8 years old... and the exemplar, Jesus Christ was not baptized until he was 33 years old.
Trials and inquires in ancient Israel were in the City Gates, where all could see, hear, and make comments ... completely open and above board ... complete transparency of the institution of Justice, and the administrators of Justice.
It served God's people well for many thousands of years.
What we have now only serves the best interests of the Corporation.

... and AllenSmith .....
since you think of yourself as a man of unparalleled courage, perhaps you can take on the Philadelphia Inquirer newspaper article at this link.   You may want to copy and past the entire article into a WORD document, as I did, as after awhile they are replaced with more current news.
Hmmmm... the thought just occurred to me ... you may want to copy, then paste the entire article here, then in a different color perhaps, refute it point by point.
This will show everybody how smart you are, and what a fool I am.
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/jehovahs-witnesses-sexual-abuse-children-beliefs-rules.html

I am merely a fellow human being, trying to understand you ... in an arena where forthrightness in dialog and conversation .... is normal.

I very seldom down-vote anyone Allensmith ... your arguments fall apart without any help at all.
Specifically, "clergy / penitent" laws are made for ONE penitent and ONE confessor .... and if the Priest or Elder or other person tells ONE OTHER PERSON, that confidence, protected by law, is no longer protected by law.
With a Catholic Priest, that is ONE PERSON.
With a JW Judicial Committee, that starts out with THREE persons, and expands to include Circuit Overseers,  Branch Office personnel of every description, and reports are made in writing to insure that Central Control is maintained down at the congregation level.
In actual practice there are no "extenuating circumstances" ... only the application of WT codified policy.
It is then that JW.ORG ...... becomes JW.BORG.
Resistance is futile, we have been assimilated.

Sorry.  This is what I was generally reacting to.  There is no support for the "weak", the victims of abuse.  I see the governing body/organization on the receiving end of donations, time, energy, the slaving of members including the very victims they refuse to give protection from pedophiles.   Even in a court of law the org. refuse to "give".   
Yet, the GB will tell you how much 'giving' they have done for the sheep by providing failed "food at the proper time".
It is sheer hypocrisy.  
In the long run, the "recalcitrant contrarians" will have to face Christ for their actions.  

I have shown you in every way, by laboring like this, that you must support the weak. And remember the words of the Lord Jesus, that He said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”  Acts 20:35
 

Justice you can only get from God .... and justice can mean complete exoneration of charges and specifications ... or chastising unto death.
...or anything in the middle.
From any well-meaning humans seeking to impose justice, a protocol of professionals that is completely open, transparent, and public lends itself NATURALLY to justice, freedom, and equity.
From any well-meaning humans seeking to impose justice, A protocol of amateur justice  "wannabes" that is completely secret, and even speaking about it publicly can lead to punishment,  lends itself NATURALLY to injustice, tyranny and unfairness.
Everyone knows in any horse race, ONE horse will win ... but WHICH one ... makes all the difference.

(New news ....)  A MONTANA Judge Orders Jehovah’s Witnesses to Turn Over Internal Documents Related to Childhood Sexual Abuse
April 12, 2018
 
On April 5, 2018, Judge James Manley of Sanders County, Montana ordered the Jehovah’s Witnesses religious organization to produce documents and testimony related to internal reports and investigations into the childhood sexual abuse of NPR’s two clients.
 
In this case, the two Plaintiffs were sexually abused as children by a member of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. The Elders in the local Jehovah’s Witness congregation in Thompson Falls, Montana were aware of the abuse and failed to report it to the police, choosing instead to handle the reports and investigations internally pursuant to Jehovah’s Witness guidelines. Their decision not to report the abuse to authorities allowed the perpetrator to remain in the congregation and continue to abuse one of the Plaintiffs.
 
Throughout this case, and similar childhood sexual abuse cases across the country, the Jehovah’s Witnesses have refused to produce documents related to their internal handling of reports of sexual abuse and related investigations and disciplinary actions claiming that the information is protected by the clergy-penitent privilege and the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.
 
Through briefing to the court, NPR convinced the Judge that Defendants’ privilege claims were unsupported and improper under the law. The Court agreed that Defendants could not blanket everything related to their investigations in secrecy and that they must turn it over to the Plaintiffs. Often, this is the very evidence that can win or lose a case like this against a religious institution.
 
The case of Nunez, et al. v. Watchtower Bible & Tract Society of New York, et al.  is set to go to trial in September of 2018.
The plaintiffs in this case are represented by NPR partner D. Neil Smith and associate Ross E. Leonoudakis.
 
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A Jury of 12 held in public view ... or a tribunal of three held in complete secrecy.
Which would YOU choose,  to get Justice?
 

OR ... the antonym of Jehovah's Witnesses ...  could be Jehovah's witnesses.
 Big "W" or little "w", for those in Rio Linda ....
.... or do you actually think Abraham, Jesus, and the 12 Apostles would ACTUALLY agree with things like Caleb and Sophia teaching children biblical morality, and the "Overlapping Generations" doctrine, when they, as Jehovah's witnesses, had the same understanding  of what a "generation" is .....  as every other human being on Planet Earth, before, during and after their lifetimes?
If they were alive today, and publicly expressed their disbelief for current doctrines and practices, all 14 of them would be disfellowshipped for apostasy.
 
 

“Be careful,” Jesus said to them. “Be on your guard against the yeast (leaven) of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Matt 16:6
Strong's G2219 for "leaven" - ζύμη zýmē - ferment (as if boiling up)
blueletterbible's comment:  "Leaven is applied to that substance which is small in quantity, yet thoroughly pervades a thing by its influence.  The NT uses it in both a positive (Matt 13:33  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matt+13%3A33&version=NIV)  or negative sense."
Watchtower's foundation began with a lie, thoroughly pervading every aspect of its existence, by compounding lie after lie.   
God and Christ are not behind this route of crooked teachings.  Matt 7:24-27 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+7%3A24-27&version=NIV
"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you."  John 15:16
 
 
 
 

Actually....thats probably incorrect   ? :
antonym ˈantənɪm/ noun   a word opposite in meaning to another (e.g. bad and good ).

Wow! I am going to check my temperature in the morning....and get a GP appointment for Monday. At least we have a bit more info on disease these days rather than the euphemistic "pestilence". I want to know what I am in for if possible.
Ah well! I wonder if babies count.......?

Alithis Gnosis:
I see by your knowing where the correct answers may be found, but not posting them, that you have the same aversion to "heavy lifting" that I do.
That was the whole point of my ASKING ... I could find out the correct answer with several hours of research, but I am a chain saw kinda guy, and hoped that someone would already have more verifiable information at their fingertips than I do.
My thought was that if it was said at an Assembly ... they were using LAST YEARS figures, or whatever the Assembly speaker is reported by our Kingdom Hall Speaker to have said.
I completely agree with your quote:
That is why I am TRYING to check what I heard from the platform today .
The sword has to cut BOTH ways, except among the gullible, dull, and stupid.
I do not trust ANYBODY at face value, and I do not care about "rumors shipwrecking" my or anyone else's faith, as mentioned in your quote.
That is why I see the following video clips as just normal human stupidity.
 

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So for decades where we were told that our worldwide increase was PROOF of Jehovah's Blessing....
This would then be PROOF of what exactly?
Or am I just being too picky?

Wait a minute!
Oh... nevermind.... we already got rid of the song "Theocracy's Increase".......
new light.
Continue on.