Srecko Sostar

This article shows the position of the JW Corporation that "lobbying" within JW congregations is impermissible. And only that. Nothing says that such action is forbidden in relation to the "outside world".
This is the same as the method used in "theocratic warfare". Every JW is obliged to tell the complete truth and not withhold anything when talking to the elders. But he is permitted to speak untruths or half-truths or withholding the truth from those "who are not authorized to hear it."
That's why you have JW elders and JW lawyers who appear before the Courts and actually manipulate the information given, that is, they lie.

… And just for the record, I really don’t care what anyone believes or does on this forum. 
… but if you are going to have and hold, and argue for a position, at least base it on checkable hard facts … and when someone else takes the opposite view, always demand from them the same .
Otherwise it’s all about arguing about whether a transformer car can morph itself into a robot, and is it male or female.

Your only, repeat ONLY rational response,  is a point by point rebuttal of the Watchtower Society’s own documentation of hard fact historic events, as shown in the video.
OooOOooo … but that would be WORK, wouldn’t it? 

If you did not see the video, and did not study the video to see if the points documented were true or not, you have no right to any opinion whatsoever.
If you did not see the video, and did not study the video to see if the points documented were true or not, you have no right to any opinion whatsoever.
Because that’s what this thread is about.
 
 

The difference in behaviour of the Captain, crew, and passengers of both the Titanic and the Costa Concordia is best explained by the difference in national average personalities and cultural values. The Concordia was registered in Italy and the Captain Francesco Schettino, is Italian, was Italian, as was much of the crew.
Either you understand this, or you don’t.
Audey Murphy once observed that the Italians coming into WWII on the side of the Nazis shortened the war by six months.
But let’s get down to the bottom line to the ONLY thing that really matters.
Those trying to discredit the 49 minute video posted HAVE NOT viewed it to even HAVE an intelligent opinion.
The video provides screenshots from the Society’s OWN PUBLICATIONS what assertions it makes.
If you cannot refute, point by point, specific hard evidence from the video screenshots that the Watchtower writers THEMSELVES documented …..
…… you got NOTHING, and are deliberately wallowing in agenda driven ignorance.
Empty rhetoric.
No more.

Because that is not true, I can provide ENDLESS SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of how that is not true.
Just locally, the Jews were dominated by the Roman Empire … Israel was occupied and controlled by the Roman Army, and foreign Administrators.
In the little town I live in there are probably 20 or more opthamologists, and 8 or more eye surgeons, and 20 or more opticians. They all have more work than they can quickly do.
Multiply that town population by eight billion people, globally.
 Lets’s look at a specific example … me.  
Twice I have been blind, and because of modern technology, and highly skilled surgeons, and $19,500 which I could afford, I am 77 years old and can see 20/20, near and far, without glasses. My guess is about 80,000 people a day globally are cured of blindness.
How many people did Jesus cure of blindness?
One? Fifty? 200?
…. and then only if you were right there, at the right time.
Multiply that by the numbers of diseases and infirmities people have globally THEN and NOW.
Fausto Hoover, you are living in a very deep fantasy ignoring everything real.
There is less violence globally now than ANYTIME in history, and that is reality.
Fewer people freeze to death now, than anytime in history.
Fewer people die of starvation now, than anytime in history.
etc., etc., etc.
I suspect if you really did live when Jesus walked the Earth, you would be maimed, crippled, or dead in three months.
Did I mention Dentists?
THINK ABOUT IT!

Apostates, BlahBlahBlah, and disfelowshipped persons, BlahBlahBlah …. is not a rebuttal.
Other than RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW, Fausto Hoover, for the general welfare of all people on Earth, WHEN was there a better time?
If you answer at all, and are honest, you prove your premises are false.

I notice, Fausto Hoover, can you never answer questions that will clear the whole thing up, or specify the vague nebulous things you talk about.
 
 

it is really quite simple to be politically neutral towards interactions with people and Nations…… Just change the definitions of the words.
Comedian Steve Martin once said, if you teach children the wrong definitions of words, in the first grade when a child wants to go to the restroom, he can raise his hand to ask the teacher’s permission with  “… can I mumble face dog to the banana patch?”

Reality?
You wanna talk about REALITY?
The REALITY is that we are now living in the best times that have ever existed in the history of human experience …. and with one simple observation can prove it.
Other than RIGHT HERE AND RIGHT NOW, Fausto Hoover, for the general welfare of all people on Earth, WHEN was there a better time?

Translated:
I don’t LIKE IT because you dont agree with my agenda driven world view.
That is why I am indignant, and could not give any SPECIFIC examples.

Prehistoric animals (dinosaurs and the like) experienced their end of the world, but that did not worry anyone (neither then nor now) because Adam and Eve had not yet lived, sinned and been thrown out of Paradise.
The planet experienced its ends through processes of transformation so that life would be possible at all. Thus, the various forms of life that existed then arose and disappeared. And who cares about that today?
Now, if our skin is in question, then it is really worrying that it will be some new end of the world. And this should be preached to everyone through global preaching. Imagine! In a way, this JW global campaign of "lobbying" for the Kingdom that will be the means of selective destruction of life on planet Earth "fits in" with the foreordained processes that concern not only this planet but the entire galaxy.

“Why do you Jehovah’s Witnesses always have to say that conditions are getting worse? What does that belief do for you?”
It helps me to explain why the Doomsday Clock is set at 90 seconds to midnight and not 10:30 AM.

What a person often fails to realize is that ALL human activity with more than three people is political!.

A “red arrow downvote” without a reasonable, rational counterpoint explanation only serves to advertise “cult-think”.
For years the WTB&TS used to defend it’s actions successfully with a booklet “Defending and Legally Establishing the Good News”.
”Downvoting” what are prima facia hard facts ONLY serves to advertise the downvoters’ agenda driven limited reasoning ability.
Sort of like someone from Poland “downvoting” that during WWII they they fought Nazi Tanks with horse calvary.
It happened!
 

Throughout its history, WTJWorg has worked for social/religious/political change in various parts of the world in several ways:
-With their activity, they do not agree to obey the authorities when they were forbidden to do some religious activity (eg preaching).
-Then through actively not doing things that the governments asks for (eg military service or voting in elections).
-Furthermore, JWs have actively influenced the governments through various lawsuits until today.
-What is less known and unnoticed or even unknown to the general and especially JW public is the influence of the WTJWorg Corporation through specific actions to influence certain parts of the governments. This is called "lobbying" in modern parlance.

Watch an interesting and instructive video covering a rather long period of WTJWorg history in which representatives of WTJWorg are mentioned whose actions before the authorities are rightly linked to "lobbying".
 
 
 

It is widely believed that in the Garden of Eden, nature’s most perfect food, King Sized Snickers Bars, is what sustained their longevity.

…. and now for something completely different!

Well no, neither do I for the same reasons as you. It is each person's responsibility. I quote that statement by Br. Jackson: “......the Governing Body, which is, may I state, a group, a spiritual group of men who are the guardians of our doctrine, and as guardians of the doctrine, look at things that need to be decided based on our doctrines, which are based on the constitution of the Bible”.
What I understand from from that statement is that the GB's concern is that when Bible truths are disseminated, or when decisions are made by them that these remain faithful to what the scriptures intended, and not that they are taking away the responsibility for this from others. This is confirmed by another statement that Br. Jackson made regarding others, quote:
“Now, the Governing Body realises that if we were to give some direction that is not in harmony with God's word, all of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide who have the Bible would notice that and they would see that it was wrong direction.  So we have responsibilities as guardians to make sure that everything is scripturally acceptable”.

 
 

See also:
 

The Biggest Cancer Causing Food Ever (Your Kids Unfortunately Love It)
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"...you know that there are certain foods strongly linked to cancer; foods containing aspartame, refined sugar, trans-fats, and GMO’s.  However, did you know that there is one particular food that has been so strongly linked to cancer, that the American Institute for Cancer Research has recommended that people cut their consumption to zero?"

Full article: http://naturalon.com/the-biggest-cancer-causing-food-ever-your-kids-unfortunately-love-it/view-all/#ixzz4MOyjhcIQ
 
 

As I have proved by my own words, I never made that assertion.
Your agenda driven mind twisted what I actually said.
Let me give you a hint of how to win a debate when you can’t hypnotize your victims with many words.
1.)  Make sure before you say something that you can prove every word, premise and assertion BEFORE you make it.
2.) Expect as a given that EVERY WORD, premise and assertion will be thoroughly challenged.
3.) Make as your “Holy Grail” the real Truth, no matter where it comes from or who says it, and defend that, and that alone.

THIS is what I was referring to ….. 
In context …. THIS is what I ACTUALLY said …. proving once again you are a weasel, and a liar.