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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in JW's mistaken claim...   
    also exist many other who doing same or similar :)))
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in JW's mistaken claim...   
    yes Shiwiii you are right.
    This two "past and old truths and lights" you mentioned about WT are possible to understand with also "new and getting bright light". And this "new" is in explanation how, according to 2015 WT study edition, FDS aka GB are not EVEN/ AT ALL  appointed in 1919. So, all wrong and error doctrines in the past time and in this present time and of course in particular future time, are not prove hor JW are in any wrongs. Because all things will be in place when Jesus in fact WILL APPOINT THEM IN SOME FUTURE TIME. 
    SO IT is OK to have all this and that ERRORS in INSTRUCTIONS and DOCTRINES. IT is quite NORMAL :))))))  
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Malum Intellectus in JW's mistaken claim...   
    Hi!
    Last explanation in WT magazine say how GB and FDS are the same. FDS task is to spread "spiritual food". GB spreading food, so GB is FDS. FDS have its beginning in 1 century in form of apostle who are, as WT said prototype of modern GB. If you are be careful in reading WT magazines (i am speaking about magazines in my language, croatian, to confirm the same i would need to go to original english version)   you will notice how first century governing body is with small first letter "g" and "b". But when they are talking about 20th century main church body they using big letter B and G - Governing Body. WHY? 
    With the end of first congregations, i think that we have no  reports to confirm CONTINUATION you mentioned. And WT magazines also not writing about any continuation, just mentions about these or that small groups that was in some sort of opposition to beliefs of Catholic church. No gb or GB. No FDS or fds. Nothing. Then suddenly at the end of 19 century in period of many turbulent events, social movements and religious movements, one man after wandering, changing few religious belongings and searching for the "truth", founded the company  in 1881 as Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society for the purpose of distributing religious tracts. 
    Do you want to believe that Jesus inspired him to give such corporative start of/to His Church, His Body?? For me it is very strange such idea - because Jesus start His Church in very different way. :))
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!   
    Based on the assumption that everything we do, say, and think should be open, transparent and honest ... I have been continuing to look for verification that "Pillowgate" is actually real.
    The Society has forced the removal of these two "Pillowgate" Videos from everywhere they can .... but RUTUBE ... the Russian equivalent of YOUTUBE and the WTB&TS are just not ..... just not ..... getting along.
    Without comment I present for your inspection.... the original, apparently complete, and un-edited versions of "Pillowgate", from the Russian RUTUBE site.
    Since I do not own the copyright, I am ONLY posting the links.
    What you do with them is up to you.
    The Truth will make us free ....
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    Christian Sisters - Keep Your Path Clean  720p  (20 min 14 sec)
    https://rutube.ru/video/9ce242afaa81e5e023ad8a94b89895d6/
    (downloaded size = 95.0 mb)
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    Christian Brothers – Keep Your Path Clean  720p  (36min 44 sec)
    https://rutube.ru/video/a7ebff5e7a7acfecd987d8934233d74c/
    (downloaded size =  990 mb)
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    https://getvideo.at/en/faq/how-to-download-rutube-video
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "Veni, vidi, vici"-G.J.Caesar vs. "I see, I read, I hear, I do not understand"-Jehovah's Witness   
    You cannot have it both ways ... unless you are SURE there is a sucker born every minute.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in "Veni, vidi, vici"-G.J.Caesar vs. "I see, I read, I hear, I do not understand"-Jehovah's Witness   
    I Love Latin .... it makes stuff sound so profound ....
     

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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Foreigner in "Veni, vidi, vici"-G.J.Caesar vs. "I see, I read, I hear, I do not understand"-Jehovah's Witness   
    “The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction. In fact, the Watch Tower Publications Index includes the heading “Beliefs Clarified,” which lists adjustments in our Scriptural understanding since 1870. Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food. So how can we answer Jesus’ question: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave?” (Matt. 24:45) WT feb 2017
    What if a man claims his expressions are not inspired, but still expects us to follow his teachings and obey his direction?  Does he then get a free pass from testing process?  If we are commanded to test an expression which a man claims is inspired from God, how much more caution should we exercise when the man does not claim inspiration, yet expects us to accept his words as if he were channeling the Almighty? - 1 John 4:1
    “By word or action, may we never challenge the channel of communication that Jehovah is using today.” (w09 11/15 p.14 par. 5 "Treasure Your Place in the Congregation")
    To claim one is not speaking under inspiration, while simultaneously claiming one is God’s channel of communication is to speak a contradiction. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Matthew9969 in Dancing in Kingdom Halls to worldly music???   
    Jehovah forbid worship in a kingdom hall to this song:
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Matthew9969 in Dancing in Kingdom Halls to worldly music???   
    Yeah I suppose it would be much worse dancing to Christian music.... not.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in JW's Dance at an International Convention in Jakarta, Indonesia   
    ANY UNAPPROVED SPONTANEOUS HAPPINESS IS FORBIDDEN!
     



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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in New Light   
    Something just dawned on me from your comment.  Although, the organization says it is “spirit-directed”, this title was bestowed on it by its leaders.  Rev 13:11,13,14,15
    12/1/1981 Wt.  However it may seem to some as though that path has not always gone straight forward.  At times explanations given by Jehovah’s visible organization have shown adjustments, seemingly to previous points of view.  But this has not actually been the case.  This might be compared to what is known in navigational circles as “tacking”.  By maneuvering the sails the sailors can cause a ship to go from right to left, back and forth, but all the time making progress toward their destination in spite of contrary winds.  And that goal in view for Jehovah’s servants is the “new heavens and a new earth” of God’s promise.
    Those in control of the sails are the GB.  The spirit that leads them in such errors has already settled into the heart. Luke 6:45   In a sense, the “wind” begins as an external force but reaches into the mind and heart of the one maneuvering the organization, or “boat”.  Rev 13:11,1,2,4
    If these men had the Spirit of Christ within them, the path taken would be straight.  Matt 3:3   To say their convincing lies will still lead one into God’s promise, is blasphemy.  Prov 2:10-17
    Jesus said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.”  John 5:19
    Also, the Spirit of God must remain in the heart of the anointed ones, otherwise they cannot be guided by Christ’s teachings, which hold the Spirit. John 6:63; 15:4; 5:38  They can fall from this grace, losing what they had initially received through the anointing, allowing another spirit to fills one’s heart, which Jesus showed us is evident by teachings.  John 15:5-8; Matt 7:15-20
    Can those who contain this alternate spirit practice deceit without it?  They too, have a Father who infuses his will and direction into them.  Luke 4:7,8
    “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.”  John 8:44
    Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.  Luke 22:3
    Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.  John 6:70,71
    New light and tacking, are just excuses for deceit and lies. They are derived from the resources of men, who do not hold God’s Spirit within their heart. Otherwise, there would be no list.     I stay with my thought that the Watchtower’s spirit is “tacking” against the Spirit of God and Christ.  Perhaps these are contrary winds they are speaking of.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Cheepcheep in New Light   
    I'm not an expert in sailing, but I believe sailing both with and into the wind is possible. I think they change the type of sail on modern boats. The above scripture I think is about control, steering and sails. If you lack control you'll be blown aimlessly in any direction. But if you have some control, since we can never have complete control,  then you can steer through a stormy sea, raise or lower sails depending on the wind strength. This implies, for us today, that thinking ability is needed when navigating tricky situations. That many of life's challenges aren't so straight forward, but made up of many layers, that take time to go through. But thanks for your research!
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Matthew9969 in New Light   
    Simply put....when the watchtower say's it has 'new light' on a matter, aka like with the overlapping generations doctrine, we do know it is not coming from the bible, it is coming from the one who transforms himself into light....satan the devil.
    And this light getting brighter in Proverbs...so one day your walking down the path...the doctrine changes and all the sudden you can't see the same path anymore. Babylon the Great now resides in Warwick and the jw's here are worshiping her.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in New Light   
    It appears you are being blessed with the light of Christ and spiritual understanding! 
    Surely we would not want to relate failed teachings with anything to do with God?     Nothing – nothing, can be compared to God.  Isa 40:18,25   Aligning “Keeping pace with Jehovah’s organization” to Ezekiel’s chariot is a slanderous statement by the organization.  The four living creatures are not attributes of God, but are the same four living creatures who bow down before the lamb in Rev 5:8   The significance of the chariot, the four living creatures moving in one direction, depict the “144,000”/Body of Christ/”priesthood” – the completed heavenly Kingdom of God and salvation for His children.  Ezek 1:8-14; Eph 4:4-6 ; Heb 8:5; 12:22-24,28,29
    Yes. What is the source of the wind?  Nana began to answer it, but stopped short:
     
    In completion it says,
    then we will no longer be little children, tossed by the waves and blown around by every wind of teaching, by human cunning with cleverness in the techniques of deceit.  
    Of course, Satan would be behind such techniques.  (2 Cor 11:3; 1 Pet 3:10)
      If anyone thinks he is religious without controlling his tongue, his religion is useless and he deceives himself.  James 1:26
    15 But speaking the truth in love, let us grow in every way into him who is the head—Christ. 16 From him the whole body, fitted and knit together by every supporting ligament, promotes the growth of the body for building up itself in love by the proper working of each individual part.
    This reflects Ezekiel’s chariot as God’s workings through Christ and his Bride in the Kingdom.  It is referring to the anointed Body of Christ – not the counterfeit Body of Elders. 
    “And he himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers, 12 equipping the saints for the work of ministry, to build up the body of Christ, 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of God’s Son, growing into maturity with a stature measured by Christ’s fullness.”
    Therefore, putting away lying, speak the truth, each one to his neighbor, because we are members of one another. 
    Would it be so hard to speak the truth to one another, if our hearts were motivated by authentic love?  Do Wt’s leaders exhibit love when they mislead with their human thinking?  If one were to present the long list of dates to the GB, what would they say?  Would they then describe all that "new light" as tacking?  Yep, no apologies needed.
    Watchtower’s spirit “tacks” against the Spirit of the Father and Christ.
    From the symbolic book of Revelation chapter 13:
    “And I saw a beast coming up out of the sea. It had ten horns and seven heads. On its horns were ten crowns, and on its heads were blasphemous names”
    The beast was given a mouth to utter boasts and blasphemies. It was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. 6 It began to speak blasphemies against God: to blaspheme his name and his dwelling—those who dwell in heaven.  (comparing Ezekiel’s chariot to the organization – one example)
     “And it was permitted to wage war against the saints and to conquer them. (Eph 6:12)  It was also given authority over every tribe, people, language, and nation.”
    “Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.” (False prophet)
    “It exercises all the authority of the first beast on its behalf and compels the earth and those who live on it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.”
    The GB exercises authority – presently – over the organization’s direction, and fosters the idea that it is vital to revere, never disconnect from, praise the organization as the source of spiritual food. 
    “It was permitted to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast could both speak and cause whoever would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.” 
    Granted to this false prophet by the “dragon” is a spirit that is breathed into the beast from sea – the “spirit-directed organization”.  If we refuse to acknowledge the organization as salvation, bringing to attention its false teachings – past or present – we are “killed”.  Spiritually viewed as dead in God’s eyes.
    John 16:1-3 - “I have told you these things to keep you from stumbling. 2 They will ban you from the synagogues (“congregations”) . In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering service to God. 3 They will do these things because they haven’t known the Father or me.”
    I presented these scriptures to a JW just recently.  Her answer was very revealing:
    “That scripture is about people who think they are Christian, and will turn against Jesus’ followers.”
    That is, the essence of disfellowshipping Christ’s anointed ones and their brethren, for choosing to serve God and Christ with their whole heart, mind and soul,;and who believe in the light of Christ over the darkness of false teachings.   Deut 6:5; Mark 12:30; Luke 10:27
    I do wish JWs could see this, how the organization teaches another gospel.  
     “In the past, we thought that the great tribulation began in 1914 when World War I started. We thought that Jehovah “cut short” those days in 1918 when the war ended so that the remaining anointed ones on earth could preach the good news to all nations. (Matthew 24:21, 22) After that preaching work would be completed, we expected that Satan’s world would be destroyed. So we thought that there were three parts to the great tribulation. It would begin in 1914, it would be interrupted in 1918, and it would finish at Armageddon.”  Wt 13/7/15 
    They gave the sheep wrong advice. 
    How happy is the one who does not
    walk in the advice of the wicked
    or stand in the pathway with sinners
    or sit in the company of mockers!
    The word for “mockers” is “luwts” meaning,
    ambassador, have in derision, interpreter, make a mock, mocker, scorn, talk arrogantly, teacher.
    Basically this scripture is telling me, we are most happy staying away from a wicked, arrogant teacher, mockingly interpreting his own advice as “new light”, which describes the governing body – false ambassadors representing Christ.  (Matt 24:24; 2 Cor 5:20)
    2 Instead, his delight is in the Lord’s instruction,
    and he meditates on it day and night.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in New Light   
    The Society's Theology is being re-defined by ... and has been re-defined for some time ... by it's accountants and lawyers.
    The most blatant example is the change in what constitutes a disfellowshipping offense for taking blood and blood fractions.
    The scriptures say "abstain from blood".  Very clear and unambiguous.
    The lawyers are trying to stop the hemorrhaging .... of MONEY .... from lawsuits.
    NOW we can take 99% of blood if it is fractionated and put in via 13 different tubes.
    That is THE Classic Example.
    And the Society is silent when a Brother takes "Artificial Human Blood" ... even though it is ONLY highly filtered cow's blood.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in New Light   
    "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will  be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?"  1 Pet 4:17
    Your leaders said,
    “Come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation”  Wt. 1981/11/15 p. 212
    The apostle Peter said,
    “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”  Acts 4:12
    Are there two paths to salvation?  
    “Although Jesus was the Son of God, he learned to be obedient through his sufferings. After he had finished his work, he became the SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION for everyone who obeys him." Heb 5:8
    Go back to 1953  -
    “Ask yourself now, Did Christ Jesus, who set our example and told us to follow his example to gain life, join any church organization in his day?  No.  God does not require us to do that; but he requires us to worship him…We have the Bible to show us the right way.  Certainly it is not necessary for a person to become a member of a church to gain everlasting life.”  Wt. 1953/3/1 p. 143
    Now…consider what is said in ‘Make Sure of All Things”, pg 323
    “Righteous flee to God’s Mountain-like Organization”
    Are you feeling a bit burdened down with the “flip-flopping”?  You should be burdened down by the hypocrisy.
    Jesus said, Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.  For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” Matt 11:28-30
    But do JWs listen to him?  
    One more from the Watchtower.
    “To survive, we must keep our faith strong and loyally worship Jehovah with his organization.”   Wt 14/5/15  pp. 21-26
    There are two powers at work here, Nana; the influence of men filling your mind with contradictions, and the straight-forward Spirit of God through Christ.
    “What gives life is God's Spirit; human power is of no use at all. The words I have spoken to you bring God's life-giving Spirit. 64 Yet some of you do not believe.” (Jesus knew from the very beginning who were the ones that would not believe and which one would betray him.)” John 6:63-64
    Shouldn’t you question your teachers about their contradictory words?  What are they hiding from you, if not the true Christ and HIS words?
    “My friends, not many of you should become teachers. As you know, we teachers will be judged with greater strictness than others”.  James 3:1
    “Are there any of you who are wise and understanding? You are to prove it by your good life, by your good deeds performed with humility and wisdom. 14 But if in your heart you are jealous, bitter, and selfish, don't sin against the truth by boasting of your wisdom. 15 Such wisdom does not come down from heaven; it belongs to the world, it is unspiritual and demonic.” James 1:13-15 
    Can an organization boast salvation, when God has already brought it to us through Christ?  Well, no, as the quote from 1953 verifies.    Can an organization call itself “the truth” when Christ proclaimed HE is the truth and the Way to life, the Way to God?  John 14:6 
    “But the wisdom from above is pure first of all; it is also peaceful, gentle, and friendly; it is full of compassion and produces a harvest of good deeds; it is free from prejudice and hypocrisy.”
    What good deeds on the part of the Wt. leaders, do you find in their announcement of prophesy and doctrine that was later dropped?     Amos 8:11
    “On the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone thirsts, let him come to Me and drink. 38 He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.” John 7:37,38
    "But whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty again. In fact, the water I will give him will become a well of water springing up in him for eternal life." John 4:14
    Water represents teachings in the Bible.   Just the list of dates alone lacks living water from Christ.  Are the contradictory quotes issued from the same mouth, evidence of life-giving teachings?  You must agree, absolutely not; which proves JWs do not know Christ, because your teachers have no living water from Christ, within them.  Matt 7:15-20  AND…it doesn’t appear, then disappear. The living water of Christ within the heart of an anointed one is constant and eternal.   
    “No spring of water pours out sweet water and bitter water from the same opening.  A fig tree, my friends, cannot bear olives; a grapevine cannot bear figs, nor can a salty spring produce sweet water.”  James 3:11,12
    The organization and its leaders have pushed Christ aside, but still mentions him; They have also pushed aside the anointed who are part of his Body, but still mentions them.   It has assumed the role of Mediator between God and men.  The GB has assumed the role of Headship over the anointed Body of Christ.  All of this was prophesied to happen.  Rev. chapter 13; 2 Thess 2:1-12 
    “For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus”  2 Tim 2:5
    You are taught the “gospel” of the Watchtower organization; not the gospel of Christ, and most definitely not what the apostles taught.    No one can begin to know Christ unless they break away from perverted gospel. 
     “But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!”  2 Cor 11:3,4
    I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
    10 For do I now persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I still pleased men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ.
    Watchtower’s words about a past summer’s conventions:  “The conventions will examine Jesus’ life as outlined in the Bible and emphasize how all, can benefit in practical ways from His example and teachings."
    This is the summation of the teachings of Jesus by JWs.   Practicality.
    "Have you not even read this Scripture: ‘The stone which the builders rejected, This became the chief corner stone; This came about from the Lord, And it is marvelous in our eyes’?” Mark 12:10,11
    Will Jehovah's Witnesses recognize Christ's marvelous presence, or will their perception be altered by a continuous declaration of a failed date of his arrival? Christ began ruling in the heavens NOT in 1914, but upon his ascension; and if one adulates praise to false prophets teaching a false doctrine, as well as believing in spiritual safety (peace, paradise) to be found only through and within an earthly organization, they will not see the glory of Christ's return.
    "So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent. Therefore IF YOU DO NOT WAKE UP, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you." Rev 3:3
    " While they are saying, “Peace and safety!” then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape". 1 Thess 5:3
    Would the Father in heaven keep us hanging by a dangling chord continually unraveled by changing doctrine? No. His word is concise and PURE, never allowing darkness (the list of rejected dates) to overcome the light of truth.  Within the confined walls of the organization, Christ's light is snuffed out through practicality and deceit. He calls his anointed ones, and all who care to listen, to come to HIM, to “come out” (Rev 18:4-8)  from the captive walls of an organization built on arrogance, pride, its boasting that it is salvation; and suppression of his own brothers, through disfellowshipping and shunning those who dare question the Governing Body/Harlot and her cohort the Wild Beast/organization/elder body.  Tell me, if JWs believe in Christ, why is it the GB’s “fellow servants” can be disfellowshipped for rejecting their pseudo headship over them, when realizing they must turn to Jesus as their only Master? Matt 24:48-51; Rev 11:1-3,7-10; Luke 12:11,12; 21:12
    Doesn’t this make you wonder why someone would be deemed as spiritually “dead” for following God’s Son? John 16:2  WHO, would love to see the end of Christ and his anointed ones, but Satan?  WHO, was behind the hunting of Jesus to kill him when he was a child?  WHERE, are the anointed ones now found – conveniently?  Rev 16:13-16
    And WHO, are you obeying, Christ or men? What glory do you see, and what glory do you seek; that of a "mountainlike" manmade religion.....or that of Christ, who radiates the glory of the Father?   Phil 3:18,19; Zech 4:7
     

     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in New Light   
    The problem with the "tacking", is the front of one shoe is nailed to the floor, and any "progress" is made in either a clockwise or counter-clockwise circle.
    Creating an artificial sense of urgency WILL motivate you ... but so will setting your hair on fire.
    It is quite proper to follow "Jehovah's Chariot", wherever it goes ... but when following a clown car .... make sure you check the route, the weather, and the gas.
    .... and don't follow TOO closely.

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in New Light   
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in New Light   
    Dear Cheepcheep, thank you for your polite response. Although you are trying to look at the organization’s “tacking” objectively, you have not mentioned the light of Christ in your comment.  Each attempt by the Watchtower to “tack” and teach it as truth, which we know they do, corrupts the Word of God.  I am sorry, but there really is no excuse that can be made by their “tacking” example.  You covered a lot of subjects in your paragraph, in which I personally feel are errors in their teaching; perhaps more suitable for another topic.  Appreciatively, Librarian always keeps me in check.
    “Therefore, since we have this ministry because we were shown mercy, we do not give up. 2 Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful things, not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God, but commending ourselves before God to everyone’s conscience by an open display of the truth. 3 But if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 In their case, the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For we are not proclaiming ourselves (as the Watchtower does) but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’s sake. 6 For God who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of God’s glory in the face of Jesus Christ.  2 Cor 4:1-6
    I hope you can see that ChristÂ’s light in the heart of a righteous one, is the knowledge of God; and is accurate knowledge to feed sheep appropriately and correctly.
    You said, “It does not take a direct line, but must tack or zig zag back n forth at the angle of the direction of the wind or spirit. This is very well and reasonable if true”
    I suppose Wt. uses these words of Christ:  “The wind blows where it pleases, and you hear its sound, but you don’t know where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”  (John 3:8)…this doesn’t mean the Spirit takes a faithful anointed one down any wrong path (which failed doctrines – are), as if to teach them a lesson.    It is the Spirit – “breath” -  of God/Christ working in an individual, leading them in knowledge, and as God wills.  Examples of this spirit wind:
    “He said to me, "Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man. Say to it: This is what the Lord GOD says: Breath, come from the four winds and breathe into these slain so that they may live! " Ezek 37:9
    “Suddenly a sound like that of a violent rushing wind came from heaven, and it filled the whole house where they were staying. Then they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in different tongues, as the Spirit enabled them”  Acts 2:2,4
    And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.”  John 20:22
    God’s Spirit has not filled Watchtower’s sails and led them in a zig zag pattern through the years.  His ways are perfect.  The tacking theory puts the blame on God for men’s false predictions.  There are ample Bible references telling us to keep on the straight path, the only path, which should warn us NOT to fall for Watchtower’s tacking analogy.  Ps 27:11; 2 Pet 2:15; Jer 31:9; Prov 4:26; Isa 26:7; Prov 15:21; Luke 3:5; Heb 12:13; John 1:23; Prov 11:5; Ps 119:128; 107:7
    When I posted my above comment elsewhere, this was the response from two (I believe both were) ex-Witnesses.
    “The problem with the JWs use of Prov.4:18, ‘light getting brighter’, is, it is a misuse. Plucked and distorted from it’s true context. They pluck it from scripture and place it in an illegitimate relationship to excuse previous ‘misunderstandings’ of Bible prophecy, passages. They force fit it in use to self-pardon wrong and false prophetic summations and acclamations. By their application as such, they narrow this passage down to nothing more than a generic excuse scripture, missing its true meaning.—..........—Christ said ‘I am the light of the world’ ‘I am the lamp’. In Leviticus Ch.24 the people themselves were to bring flour and oil for the use in the tabernacle. It personifies a savior, Christ. Christ said ‘I am the bread and light’. Our light gets brighter in our continuing relationship with Christ and our Father. The whole context in Prov. chapter 4 is about relationship and the paths of righteousness vs. the path of wickedness.—..........—JWs have relegated it to something far less, missing it’s deeper meaning and structure. They have pawned it off as nothing more than an excuse passage.”
    "Flour and oil". I was just thinking about that yesterday, when considering the widow who fed Elijah, with, flour and oil. Jesus told us in John ch.4, that the worship that results in life, is done with spirit and truth. The "bread from heaven" is Jesus Christ, the "way, truth, and life". I see the flour, as a symbol for truth.
    The Bible uses golden oil, to symbolize the spirit. Kings and priests were anointed with the holy anointing oil, and since Christ, there is an anointing with spirit. That spirit combines with the truths of God's word, resulting in life. From the spirit and truth given to us, we are expected to prepare an offering to God... the "fruit of our lips" that confesses what we have received. Those who do this, are given more... the real meaning of light, getting brighter.
    Yes maÂ’am, and our very lives are confessions of fruitage in that path of righteousness. The light in our relationship grows brighter and stronger, the love deepens.
    Unless we step away from Watchtower and its “new light” we can’t see the absurdity of the list of “new light” dates; which are only part of changed, as well as faulty doctrines (“faithful and discreet slave”, who are the “great crowd”, the role of the “royal priesthood”, the “good news”, etc. – Yes! )
    I do hope you see this.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!   
    I apologise  .... I just can't help thinking this is the funniest thing in real life I have run across in a long, LONG time.
    I hope it is all just a misunderstanding, like when John Candy and Steve Martin have to share a hotel room in the movie "Planes, Trains, and Automobiles".
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Always be careful how you fluff up dem pillows!

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!   
    Srecko Sostar:
    I don't think the Librarian would appreciate you posting what Bethel would consider 18 minutes and 39 seconds of hard-core gay pornography. (!!)
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!   
    Bethel World Headquarters has new versions ... fortunately without the optional chains.
     

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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in New Light   
    It is very interesting that outsiders see the date list for what is – dead weight like bobbles on a necklace slithering around the walls of the Watchtower.  The GB said, “Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.”  Wt 17 February pp. 23-28   I am realizing now the twisted truth of this statement.  If by “us” they mean themselves, it is a true statement.  But for those who believe in him, who remain in him, who desire to serve the true God and Christ – he promised it. 
     “ If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish? 12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
    “So I say to you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.”      Luke 11:11-13,9,10
    So, what’s with the GB and their necessity to fabricate “new light”?  Have they asked THE FATHER for spiritual “good gifts”?  Have they asked CHRIST?  Or, do they follow another spirit – the “god of this age” who has offered them everything in this world, except for the knowledge from the living Christ?  Luke 4:7; Matt 6:20,21
    Jesus sent his new recruits, his soon-to-be apostles with directions and examples on how to feed his sheep.  Jesus fed thousands with bread and fish, projecting those experiences spiritually.  When the GB and all past Wt. leaders, who claim to represent Christ, uttered just one false doctrine or date as food from Christ – they lied. Deut 18:20-22 Bread and fish sustained the body of those hungry  ones.  When they followed Jesus for more, he said,
     “Truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate the loaves and were filled. 27 Don’t work for the food that perishes – check out the list of dates, JWs!
    but for the food that lasts for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set his seal of approval on him.”
    The apostles asked -  and all anointed ones should ask,
    28 “What can we do to perform the works of God?” they asked.  (Would Wt’s “new light” fall under the works of God?)
    29 Jesus replied, “This is the work of God—that you believe in the one he has sent.”  John 6:26-29 
    The GB proclaim themselves, and JWs proclaim primarily the GB and the organization  (they are taught this)– HOW can they truly, deeply believe in the light of Christ?
    “I have come in my Father’s name, and yet you don’t accept me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.” John 5:43
    Even though they speak the name, Jesus.  Matt 7:21-23
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Anti-Masturbation Training Video For Jehovah's Witnesses!   
    .... probably just a "splinter group".
     
    Hmmm...  just look at the expressions on these two Brother's faces ....

    It looks like they are doing this because they are being punished severely for "something", and have to do this or get fired!
    You could title this picture "Robots Read The News".
    If they are being punished ... it is obviously cruel and unusual, and they have my sympathies.
    Now I understand why, under the Bushido Code, the Japanese when they screw up, willingly commit suicide.
     
     
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