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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from AllenSmith in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
You put lot of efforts, time, patience to bring many reading  material in your comment.
After all this, one thing is need to be answered and you avoid that. Does JW org have inside problems with child molestation or JW org are free of that evil thing?
Second, about your sentence i quote above. Yes, there is some order of how things should be, what is natural inside human interactions in family and society. You missed one little detail in this. Parents are mainly responsible for children, for sure. But Elders are responsible, for parents and by that to their family, inside congregational structure. Structure of congregation (and  structure of WT Company as that entity who run all congregations around the world) is based on elements that is not made by some parents. Rules, obligations, expectations and much more, inside congregation is powered by elders who are agents of WT Company. So, elders are those who have obligation to warn congregants when found they have person inside who are threat for children or adults. And we all know how elders are instructed not to tell and warn congregation about child molester who are in congregation. So please be more .... be more something, hahahaha, chose by yourselfalone what you want to be "more" ....but only in positive direction.Â
Best regards! Â Â
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Noble Berean in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
I am glad that you put this as honored member of JW community here. If I have had done this i would received some comments how i twisted words :))))))))))) and have bad motives, ahahhaa.
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Cognitionis in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
You put lot of efforts, time, patience to bring many reading  material in your comment.
After all this, one thing is need to be answered and you avoid that. Does JW org have inside problems with child molestation or JW org are free of that evil thing?
Second, about your sentence i quote above. Yes, there is some order of how things should be, what is natural inside human interactions in family and society. You missed one little detail in this. Parents are mainly responsible for children, for sure. But Elders are responsible, for parents and by that to their family, inside congregational structure. Structure of congregation (and  structure of WT Company as that entity who run all congregations around the world) is based on elements that is not made by some parents. Rules, obligations, expectations and much more, inside congregation is powered by elders who are agents of WT Company. So, elders are those who have obligation to warn congregants when found they have person inside who are threat for children or adults. And we all know how elders are instructed not to tell and warn congregation about child molester who are in congregation. So please be more .... be more something, hahahaha, chose by yourselfalone what you want to be "more" ....but only in positive direction.Â
Best regards! Â Â
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Cognitionis in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
I am glad that you put this as honored member of JW community here. If I have had done this i would received some comments how i twisted words :))))))))))) and have bad motives, ahahhaa.
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Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Well (this has become one of my favorite quotes lately) the truth is truth no matter who says it
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Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Are Jehovah's Witnesses a part of the community?
As the ARC pointed out .... matters not reported to the police as a matter of NATURAL CONSCIENCE ... puts the community as a whole at risk .... not JUST Jehovah's Witnesses.
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Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in 24 YEAR OLD BETHELITE WOMAN RECENTLY DISFELLOWSHIPPED FOR APOSTASY COMMITS SUICIDE!
https://philbarbey.jimdo.com/jws-rolf-furuli/
This study shows that JWs have about a THIRD of the mental illness rate of the general population, and I would suspect that that would equate to about a THIRD of the suicides of the general population. Just a guess ... NO MORE.
I am of the very considered opinion that just in the case of King Saul, Sampson, and Jesus ... by willingly walking into a known death trap ... that these suicides are NOT counted as self murder by Jehovah God., any more that soldiers who willingly volunteer for "suicide missions" for some greater good would be considered to have murdered themselves.
Consumed with grief and a broken heart and many tears, I have had to execute by proxy many of my dogs over the years, and lament when "my time comes" .... and it will ... that there will be no one to show me that kindness.
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Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in $66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Canada
I'm not the one crying about the unfairness that people are exposing the faults within the wt.
Please elaborate on my hypocrisy,Â
how exactly have to proven me to be a Pharisee? oh that's right.....you haven't. You're just trying to throw mud and hoping something will stick. It is a common tactic when someone has nothing to base their dislike of another.Â
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Witness in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Legal Department and other board directors aka GB must vote before final decision. It is Company.
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
ahhaahha NOOO Fisher.... it is in your mind ...you said, "you're legend" :)))) i was never said that for myself.
Few more of your statements like this and you will come to be Legend :))))
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
-anything what person can imagine is reality -
Before God created things, first he was had;
thought
idea
imagination
Do not forget this.
My imagination is not crazy as you think. Rational ideas are in there :)))
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Perhaps for the same reason Pilate have had in Jesus case. Pilate want to get Jesus free, but for me-Pilate, (for us-GB) would be easier if people (secular government) say what and how to do. And after that he ordered to bring to him water to wash his hands as sign that he have nothing with all that what took place. And if/when somebody in future say something against, some critics - then he (them-GB) can point finger to other(secular government) and say "they have to take blame for that, not us.
I have good imagine, don't you think? :)))))))))
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Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in $66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Canada
cry me a river............
if you do not like it here, then stop posting here and take your ball and go home.Â
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Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in $66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Canada
Are you saying that this forum, which is about jw's and the wt, is not the place to bring up topics such as these when they pertain to the wt specifically?
Get real J.R., this is exactly the place to bring this up. Also, just because there are other religions with the same problem doesn't mean we cannot point out the FACTS on this particular religion. Since I have never been a jw, I cannot be called an apostate. What I will accept is the title opposer, because I am opposed to ANY organization who hides people who prey on children and then covers it up to protect the perpetrator.
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Working with Children Check Policy
The Working with Children Check is a screening mechanism to prevent certain persons from engaging in child-related work.
2.1
This policy takes effect from 15 June 2013 following the implementation of the Child Protection (Working with Children) Act 2012 and the Child Protection (Working with Children) Regulation 2013.
This policy must be applied in conjunction with the Working with Children Check Procedures (15 June 2013).
2.3
This policy applies to people who are employed or engaged (or who are seeking to be employed or engaged) in child-related work in the NSW Department of Education, in any one of the following capacities:
as a paid employee; as a self-employed person or as a contractor or subcontractor; as a volunteer; as a person undertaking practical training as part of an educational or vocational course (other than as a student undertaking work experience); as a minister, priest, rabbi, mufti or other religious leader or spiritual officer of a religion or other member of a religious organisation. link: https://education.nsw.gov.au/policy-library/policies/working-with-children-check-policy
This would be good to implement, not only in some Australian states, but around the world.
What Does This Mean for Jehovah’s Witnesses?
For Australian congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the process for appointing an Elder or Ministerial Servant is now a bit more complex than before. In the past, Witness males were recommended for their positions based strictly upon their “spiritual qualifications” – a subjective decision which allowed anyone to rise within the organization with little or no real knowledge of whether they have a criminal background, or if they are a sexual predator. Criminal background checks are non-existent, and the only question posed to a prospective Ministerial Servant or Elder moments before they are appointed is: “Have you ever been involved at any time in the past with child sexual molestation?” – [Elder’s Manual 2010, Chapter 3 Section 13] The answer to this question has always been based on the “honor system” – and you can be certain that a child molester would never answer such a question in the affirmative.
During the 2015 Royal Commission investigation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia, counsel assisting the Royal Commission, Angus Stewart QC, queried Watchtower Service Department chief Rodney Spinks, who admitted that the Watchtower organization had been completely disinterested in cooperating with the “Working with Children Check.”
It seems that for the appointment of men in the JW Assembly, apart from the permission of the Holy Spirit, the elders, the provincial supervisor aka CO and the GB, is needed also a secular license for working with children. :)))
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
History of this subject in one short article:
https://www.revealnews.org/blog/jehovahs-witnesses-tab-for-child-sex-abuse-secrecy-2m-and-counting/
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in $66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Canada
Thanks! From article you provide:
"It is also reported that the abbey asked the court not to allow the claim because the seriousness of the allegations was likely to attract attention that may threaten the continued existence of the abbey.
The women accepted what the Guardian describes as "meagre" compensation payments and received no apology.
The solicitor representing the women, Tracey Emmott, told The Guardian: "It took the issuing of court proceedings before the out of court settlements were offered and even then my client's request for a formal apology as part of the settlement package was never forthcoming."
Even Roman Catholic pope have done apology in public, i heard on TV. As i can see, GB "popes" have no intention to say something similar. What thinking they have? What kind of hearts they have?
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in $66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Canada
Thank you very much for links you provide. How many more exists on this terrible crime. As i read articles one thing is very common to all this, no matter is Catholic, Anglicans, Jehovah's Witnesses or others. All of them, church leaders aka priests aka elders - covered up and keep in secrets from police and other governmental services. On this Forum i see many JW participate in informations. So, first clean the floor in your house, then tell other to do the same. Or as Jesus said this much better than me. "Why, then, do you look at the straw in your brother’s eye but do not notice the rafter in your own eye?+ 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the straw from your eye,’ when look! a rafter is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the rafter from your own eye, and then you will see clearly how to remove the straw from your brother’s eye." - Mat 7:3-5 NWT
Some quotes from articles you put show how acts are very similar no matter which church is:
It was seen as sin. Today we see it as a sin, but we also see it as a crime.' - Valéry Vienneau, Moncton archbishop
"Fernand Arsenault, a priest - He accused the church of turning a blind eye to the abuse and concealing the crimes of those priests. "It's a terrible mistake," said Arsenault. "Because we would have saved many lives." Arsenault said that years ago, if a priest reported another priest, he would have been punished, not the abuser. But the church, in every filed statement of defence, has systematically denied knowing about any of the abuse at the time."
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Gnosis Pithos in $66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Canada
A group of alleged sexual abuse survivors from across the country have filed a $66-million class action lawsuit against the Jehovah’s Witness, CityNews has learned.
The victims are seeking $20 million for damages from sexual and mental abuse by elders, $20 million for failing to protect children, and another $20 million for breach of duty of care.
links:
http://www.680news.com/2017/10/02/66m-class-action-sex-abuse-suit-filed-jehovahs-witnesses/
http://mcstclassactions.com/
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Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Why can't Mr. Jackson make the changes within the org himself instead of waiting on secular gov't make him do it?
Why wouldn't he/they do this for the protection of the children?
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Srecko Sostar reacted to Shiwiii in $66 Million Class Action Lawsuit Filed in Canada
Lets keep it real then. Why do you feel the need to distract from the facts? Why defend the actions of the Wt when you know in your heart that the policy is shameful?Â
NO ONE is saying that there is any group without sin, but it IS our duty to expose the sin within and clean it up. When people turn a blind eye towards sin and injustice it does not make it any better, it only fosters it. It is only when we decide that we as a people cannot accept these practices do things change and get better. We have a moral obligation to expose wrong doing for the protection of others and it doesn't matter who is the one committing that sin, its still wrong.  Â
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Srecko Sostar reacted to Evacuated in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Yeah, you're a legend ........in your own mind!
Did you miss this request?
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Noble Berean in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Working with Children Check Policy
The Working with Children Check is a screening mechanism to prevent certain persons from engaging in child-related work.
2.1
This policy takes effect from 15 June 2013 following the implementation of the Child Protection (Working with Children) Act 2012 and the Child Protection (Working with Children) Regulation 2013.
This policy must be applied in conjunction with the Working with Children Check Procedures (15 June 2013).
2.3
This policy applies to people who are employed or engaged (or who are seeking to be employed or engaged) in child-related work in the NSW Department of Education, in any one of the following capacities:
as a paid employee; as a self-employed person or as a contractor or subcontractor; as a volunteer; as a person undertaking practical training as part of an educational or vocational course (other than as a student undertaking work experience); as a minister, priest, rabbi, mufti or other religious leader or spiritual officer of a religion or other member of a religious organisation. link: https://education.nsw.gov.au/policy-library/policies/working-with-children-check-policy
This would be good to implement, not only in some Australian states, but around the world.
What Does This Mean for Jehovah’s Witnesses?
For Australian congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses, the process for appointing an Elder or Ministerial Servant is now a bit more complex than before. In the past, Witness males were recommended for their positions based strictly upon their “spiritual qualifications” – a subjective decision which allowed anyone to rise within the organization with little or no real knowledge of whether they have a criminal background, or if they are a sexual predator. Criminal background checks are non-existent, and the only question posed to a prospective Ministerial Servant or Elder moments before they are appointed is: “Have you ever been involved at any time in the past with child sexual molestation?” – [Elder’s Manual 2010, Chapter 3 Section 13] The answer to this question has always been based on the “honor system” – and you can be certain that a child molester would never answer such a question in the affirmative.
During the 2015 Royal Commission investigation of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia, counsel assisting the Royal Commission, Angus Stewart QC, queried Watchtower Service Department chief Rodney Spinks, who admitted that the Watchtower organization had been completely disinterested in cooperating with the “Working with Children Check.”
It seems that for the appointment of men in the JW Assembly, apart from the permission of the Holy Spirit, the elders, the provincial supervisor aka CO and the GB, is needed also a secular license for working with children. :)))
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Srecko Sostar reacted to Evacuated in Watchtower pays $4000 per day for disobeying Secular Authority
Has anyone given any rational thought as to why mandatory reporting of alleged child abuse cases would make a difference to our process in this matter?
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Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Cognitionis in Girl who was abused by her father from a age of 11 sought assistance from Jehovah’s Witnesses only to be molested by one of their elders
JW Australia sexual abuse list - public
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tQL5RTf_i6K_Ia-_bo51JL00fdw396DCsV-EqE8xrOc/edit#gid=0
Total numbers of alleged victims 1730. But that is not final number. Some perpetrators have 10+ victims and for some, numbers are not known (unclear).