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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    Hmmmmm....I have to disagree with you there I think. They are free to leave any time they want and not listen to a word you say. You are here to say what you feel is the right thing to say. We can't please everyone. This is not the Kingdom Hall
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    I'm not surprised since you give out likes like they were an endangered species! And then you go and like an enemies comment....
    Of course, just because someone is opposed to most of what we do and say, doesn't mean we have to dismiss everything they say, even when it's true. Why should that stumble someone if we don't? As we've said on here before: "Truth is truth no matter who says it".  I think it's good to be fair...
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to TrueTomHarley in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    When I liked the comment from someone who I thought fit the description of ones John says we should not greet, I found I had stumbled someone - a person who has since left this forum. I was not able to placate him by saying: 'well, even villains behave now and then.' (I am not calling you a villain here - that's not my intent)
    So, considering what Paul wrote about giving up some rights so as not to stumble 'these little ones,' I resolved not to do it anymore. But if I did, I would do it now.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Evacuated in UZBEKISTAN: Book banning, censorship, illegal fines, reprisals   
    ????
    Persecution is a feature of the age, and is indeed a feature of man's inhumanity to man. Ecc. 4:1 "Again I turned my attention to all the acts of oppression that go on under the sun. I saw the tears of the oppressed, and there was no one to comfort them. And their oppressors had the power, and there was no one to comfort them" 
    Jehovah's Witnesses are persecuted for carrying out the will of Jehovah, nothing else. Other groups (not just religious) are persecuted for any reason you care to mention., often simply because they are minorities.
    Please "engage brain before engaging keyboard". (Don't know who said that).
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Arauna in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    Sostar:   I received the name from my aunt who died young after her first child was born.  She had cancer.  
    Interesting that you found the name and realized it is a bible name... a man's name.  
    Now here is the most interesting history:  Abraham went up to mount Moriah to offer up Isaac.  There was a very large flat stone on the mountain - still there today. Next to mount Moriah was another mount......  In the time of David he consolidated power and bought this place  where Isaac was offered up, on instruction from Jehovah. The large stone was then in use as a threshing floor and belonged to Ornan/Araunah.
    Arauna was a high official - a Jebusite and may have been a proselyte as he offered the ground to David for free when he wanted to buy it. But Jehovah said he must pay for it.  Jehovah had punished David for counting the able bodied men who could fight when they went to war.  The pestilence interrupted and also made the census of David invalid.
    David filled up the saddle of the two mountains.... on one side he built his palace (Mount Zion) and Mount Moriah was set aside for Solomon to build the temple there.  This is a wonderful story because it indicates that Jehovah had planned this all along and that there is total logic and continuity where Jehovah is involved! The exact same place! No conspiracy - only Jehovah!
    It gets more interesting!  After the destruction of the 2nd temple in the year 70CE - only the wailing wall (today known as the wailing wall) remained. The temple ground was extended (filled up) by King Herod and this strong wall was built to keep this extensions in place.
    Thereafter, Jehovah allowed the temple to be destroyed because it was no longer the way for Jews and the new Christians to obtain salvation.  The Spiritual temple with Jesus as high priest is now the only  way to approach Jehovah. The genealogy of Jesus (kept there) was also destroyed in 70CE - so the Jews no longer knew if they came from tribe of Juda or not.
    So they cannot identify the Messiah  - which they are still waiting for! (Names like Cohen and Levi still remain).   The Jews then wrote down the Mishnah (for at least 250 years this was the oral traditions of the Jews - which Jesus condemned when he was on earth - because it made the laws invalid in the way it was applied) and then the Talmud...... actually human writings by Rabbis to control the people ....... and not a good set of books (9 of them)!
    The Romans desecrated the temple ground by using it as a temple for a Roman god ; and much later - in the time of Mohammad - the ground was occupied and they built on and it is called the Dome on the Rock (on the rock) because Mohammad claimed to have flown there in one night on a horse. .... although no-one saw him and Aisha said he never left her bed! Some believed that he went up to heaven there! 
    So today the Muslim - Dome on the Rock- is where all the problems of the Middle East is focussed.  The Jews bitterly want to rebuild the temple because they want the messiah to come back and dominate the world for them and so do the Muslims ...... because Mohammad borrowed some of his ideas from the many Jews which he associated with. One of the most quoted Muslim scriptures (the only one which refers to peace - but then later quotes the source as the Jews) actually  is quoting the talmud.  ....
    So both peoples want this ground and view it as holy. 
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Anna in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    I am assuming your husband would let you know ("consult") if he was going to send money to his relatives and not just do it without telling you, and not do anything that you are not aware of, it's called communication.  Marriage is a partnership, where both are equal but only one makes the final decision.
    Unfortunately many husbands are quite happy to abdicate their responsibility as heads, as a lot of men can be quite lazy, and so it's easier for them Then there are others who think that the only way to exercise headship is to be a tyrant.  As for women, I would say they are much cleverer than men in matters of the emotions. Men (in general) want to please a woman (and I’m not talking about sex) and feel fulfilled as men when they succeed.  Women can take advantage of that and wreak havoc with men’s minds (Eve, Delilah, Cleopatra, etc. etc.)This is where women wield a lot of power over men and this can be misused much to the detriment of both sexes. A woman can make or break a household, that’s how much power they have, regardless of whether the man acts as the head or not. When the scriptures talk about a woman having respect for her husband, it goes both ways of course. When they respect each other’s God given positions, and respect each other as human beings, only good can come out of that.
    Well, that's Anna's wisdom for today. Exhausted myself
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    I believe this, although I don't know if what you think of as "many" is the same as what I think of as "many."  One of my concerns was with the idea that so many sisters that my wife knows believe that they suffer more depression than non-JW counterparts due to lack of marital prospects, and some think that their only way of being noticed at all by brothers who are "marriageable" is to pioneer, for example. But this is not possible for all, yet the examples and attitudes presented at meetings/conventions from fellow sisters is nearly always presented by a sister who is also a pioneer. I've known sisters who quit their jobs to pioneer in good part to help solve this issue, which is ironic, because the second most important factor in a sister finding a marriage mate in our circuit anyway, is for the sister to have a job.
    I wasn't at Bethel at the same time as she was, although I had met her husband a couple times. I have a good friend in the Writing department who STILL has the highest regard for her, even though she is disfellowshipped.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to TrueTomHarley in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    I should not say it. It is too crass. I am not in her league. She is too refined. I am too much like the idiot who hollers: "Hi Yo Silver!!" when he hears the William Tell Overture.
    Ah, well.
    It's not over till the fat lady sings.
     
     I know that feeling.

    It's not mine, though I wish it were. It certainly fits. It is that of author Harlan Coben, his tweet. I must read one of his books someday in payment. I trust there will be nothing untoward in it - I've no reason to think so, granted that it will not be a church hymnal.
    "Grow up, TTH, would you?" says....pretty much anyone.
    Yes. That is why she is where she is - with Jehovah's organization.
    harlan.jpg_large
    PS: Isn't this pic one of ours? I could swear I have seen it. It is pretty chaste to come from anywhere other than JWs. Isn't it in the Live Forever book? Nope.
    But I am still not convinced it is not ours. Maybe it is common stock which both he and they used.  Once I accused @Ann O'Maly for using our photo to promote her very opposite cause. To her satisfaction, and my chagrin, she pointed out that it was not 'ours.' It was common stock that we had purchased, but anyone else could, too.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Arauna in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    LOL.  My mother told many stories about these farm toilets and how children had to run past the geese (who were worse than watchdogs) to get there!   As a child I often went camping with scouts in the fifties and sixties.... many wonderful memories ..... and showers were outdoors and toilets were long-drops.. 
    Children were always terrified in the dark when there was a "hisssss" or something crawling over a leg......flies and mosquitos  etc.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Arauna in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    I see we have a few feminists here.  If you investigate where feminism comes from you will not be so eager to promote this way of thinking! 
    Any case I am female and I am very happy in the congregation.  Sisters have a wonderful opportunity to spread LOVE, look after the sick, preach, look after their husbands and children in a godly way and use their wisdom to advise the young sisters and accomplish much good in the congregation! 
    One can support the young ministerial servants and just be a force for good and teaching the younger ones to care for others...... No, our job is much nicer than that of the older men who sometimes have to take sad cases of those who are disruptive etc. ..... We can help the disruptive ones before they can become a problem!  And if you do it in the right way..... you will never be a threat to anyone! 
    And we have time to study and bring great honor to Jehovah in much preaching work and just teach the younger ones to be more grateful (not greatful!) for the things Jehovah has done for them.  Good women can be a powerhouse in a congregation !!- and don't underestimate the power of the bright side! ...... keep those lamps shining!
    Single sisters have a hard time to stay single - and many never have the hope of a husband. Give them some attention because they can feel lonely and depressed!  How nice a kind hearing ear is.  They are eternally grateful and when they have a problem they know where to go!  Also the sisters who have an unloving husband.  They need to trust someone who will not say anything about it to someone else.  How nice when a mature sister can use her talents and knowledge gained from the scriptures in an upbuilding, positive way! ... or just give a hug! Difficult marriage can be very hard on people! One can give tips on what helped for you - but not in preachy way - in friendship way.  Reveal the problems you had and how it was overcome - it builds trust ...... but NEVER talk bad of anyone!
    Older sisters have the maturity to spread themselves out and also see when younger ones are ailing or going in wrong direction.... give attention.... this is how we should look after each other.
    I am NOT feminist!  I used to ask my husband if I wanted to send money to family members or anyone because he knows I will never do anything he is not aware of. (And I earned a pretty good salary at the time!)  I do it because I WANT to; because I think it is right; and I think it builds trust!  Trust is very important in life and yet many people underestimate its power.  He respects me for respecting him!... and he trusts me!
    I tone down my talking (I love to talk) when I am around brothers who are still unsure of themselves or immature.  You get those who feel that they are supposed to know it all because they are  men - especially in spiritual way.  They still need time to help them grow.  I am quick to pick up when people are threatened -  it is a way of being kind to them and also to keep yourself out of trouble. 
    There are many smart women out there - but if you have to show it off all the time - shame on you!   I think emotional smartness is better.  Learn to watch people and learn from their reactions.  
    I have often said (my husband says it too!) :  If you meet a person - even if it is a worldly person - and they have not learnt to be compassionate and kind........ their life - the time they spent on earth has been in vain - they never learnt anything!
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.  For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”  Gal 3:26-29
    You are aware that the GB have taken the “prominent” position over their fellow slaves, don’t you?  You do realize that their fellow “slaves” are to answer to them, and not directly to their appointed Master, Christ?  So you see, anointed ones are to “wash the feet” of the GB.  In fact, every JW “washes the feet” of not only the GB, but also the elder body through their expected obedience to them, and servitude toward the organization.  Matt 6:24; Rom 14:4
    Acts 17:24
    Incredible. 
    Watchtower 02/7/1 pp. 9-14    Today, Zion is represented on earth by the remaining ones of “the Israel of God,” the international congregation of spirit-anointed Christians, who have the hope of ruling with Christ in heaven.
    To clarify, every authentic anointed one is Zion, God’s dwelling and Temple as the Body of Christ.  John 2:19-21; 1 Pet 2:5,9; Eph 2:20-22; Col 2:11,12; Eph 2:6; Ps 132:7-9,13,14
    Unless they choose to deny Christ, as has the “wicked slave” who beats down his fellow slaves using the “man of lawlessness”/false priesthood/elder body.   Matt 24:48-51
    “But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.  And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.  By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.  2 Pet 2:1-3
    God does not bless “foreigners”/”Gentiles” who replace his anointed priesthood; “sitting” in for them, or standing over them, demanding their obedience. 2 Chron 23:6; Ezek 44:6-9
    It is a “disgusting thing” – an “abomination standing in the holy place”.  Yet, the Watchtower has attempted to change scripture to support this abomination.
    NKJV for Ezek 44:6-9 -  Say to rebellious Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Enough of your detestable practices, people of Israel!  In addition to all your other detestable practices, you brought foreigners uncircumcised in heart and flesh into my sanctuary, desecrating my temple while you offered me food, fat and blood, and you broke my covenant. 8 Instead of carrying out your duty in regard to my holy things, YOU put others in charge of my sanctuary. 9 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and flesh is to enter my sanctuary, not even the foreigners who live among the Israelites."
    Now, read the NWT:
    "And you must say to Rebelliousness, to the house of Israel, "This is what the sovereign Lord Jehovah has said, "That is enough of you because of all your detestable things, O house of Israel, when you bring in the foreigners uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, in order to come to be in my sanctuary so as to profane it, even my house, when you present my bread, fat and blood, while they keep breaking my covenant on account of all your detestable things. Neither have you taken care of the obligation of my holy things, nor would you post [others] as caretakers of my obligation in my sanctuary for yourselves. This is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said: "No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh, may come into my sanctuary, that is, any foreigner who is in the midst of the sons of Israel."
    I hope you can see the devious ploy of the Watchtower to support their elder body; but by doing so, they contradicted their own intention.  Firstly, they say the priests brought foreigners into the sanctuary, then it is state they didn’t “post others as caretakers”, as if they needed to.  The NKJV version shows that the sin was “foreigners” were brought into the sanctuary and put in charge of the priestly duties. 
    The “others” in God’s sanctuary today, is the “Gentile” elder body, replacing “Israel” – replacing the authentic priesthood and removing the “daily sacrifice”.    Rom 2:28,29; Dan 8:12;7:25;11:31;12:11; Matt:24,25; Rev 13:7; Matt:24,25; 1 Tim 4:1; Rev 11:1,2; 6:14,15;17:14  
    Your words support the “disgusting thing” of Matt 24:15
    For I will restore health to you
    And heal you of your wounds,’ says the Lord,
    ‘Because they called you an outcast saying:
    “This is Zion;
    No one seeks her.”’  Jer 30:20
     Then Nebuchadnezzar, in rage and fury, gave the command to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. So they brought these men before the king. 14 Nebuchadnezzar spoke, saying to them, “Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, that you do not serve my gods or worship the gold image which I have set up? 15 Now if you are ready at the time you hear the sound of the horn, flute, harp, lyre, and psaltery, in symphony with all kinds of music, and you fall down and worship the image which I have made, good! But if you do not worship, you shall be cast immediately into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. And who is the god who will deliver you from my hands?”
    16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego answered and said to the king, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer you in this matter. 17 If that is the case, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and He will deliver us from your hand, O king. 18 But if not, let it be known to you, O king, that we do not serve your gods, nor will we worship the gold image which you have set up.”
     Then Nebuchadnezzar was full of fury, and the expression on his face changed toward Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. He spoke and commanded that they heat the furnace seven times more than it was usually heated. 20 And he commanded certain mighty men of valor who were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, and cast them into the burning fiery furnace. 21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their trousers, their turbans, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. 22 Therefore, because the king’s command was urgent, and the furnace exceedingly hot, the flame of the fire killed those men who took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego. 23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
    24 Then King Nebuchadnezzar was astonished; and he rose in haste and spoke, saying to his counselors, “Did we not cast three men bound into the midst of the fire?”
    They answered and said to the king, “True, O king.”
    25 “Look!” he answered, “I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire; and they are not hurt, and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.”
    Nebuchadnezzar spoke, saying, “Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, who sent His Angel and delivered His servants who trusted in Him, and they have frustrated the king’s word, and yielded their bodies, that they should not serve nor worship any god except their own God!   Dan chapter 3
    “Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,[b] and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name. 
    So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”
    Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, (Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17) and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.  Rev 13:1,4,6-8
    “They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city (ZION!). And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.  The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”  Rev 20:9,10
    I am defending God, Christ, our High Priest and his priesthood, (Isa 43:10; 1 Pet 2:5,9) which is Zion, as scripture dictates.  What are you defending, an organization built in Satan’s world, and a delusion? 2 Thess 2:9-12
    “For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”  Heb 4:12
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    You can always start another thread if one gets enormous.
    I doubt you caused any real angst for anyone. Anyone who shares an internet forum or even responds to a youtube video will be well prepared for just about anything. I had hoped you would share what caused you to make such a big decision about religion recently.
    I've seen several who decide to leave the Witnesses and not to come back. They take various paths, often immersing themselves in a lot of study and research to be sure they made the right decision. Sometimes, depending on their motives, they are able to offer something valuable in a kind of "exit interview." I think people would be surprised at all the things that were changed for the better, specifically because an "infamous GB apostate" once decided to write a book about his experiences.
    So if you have any constructive criticism, I think it would be welcomed. From what I could gather from these last several posts, it was a lot of different things that piled up at once and crowded out the ability to see light at the end of the tunnel, as it were.
    The reason I put it this way to you is not because I think my way of looking at doctrines is so much better, but because I think you showed exactly the right motive when your frustration with doctrinal discussion led you to see Christianity more in terms of 'what sort of persons we ought to be.'
    As you might have gathered from other posts, I believe we have the Trinity right, hell/soul/torment right, new heavens and new paradise earth right, neutrality/war right, preaching activity, etc., etc., etc. And I've seen many dozens of positive adjustments in my lifetime. But I also think we have several things wrong, and probably need more adjustments even on the things we have right.
    I could list all the things I think we might have wrong in one single place, and this might seem overwhelming, but I prefer to deal with the evidence for one thing at a time. And this is easier on others, too.
    I hope you feel welcome if you continue to contribute here, or wherever else you decide.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Micah Ong in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    Well thanks for pointing this out as I hadn't read this properly to convey the point I was making. 
    But no other Angel has been described as being equal to God as Philippians 2:6 says and no Angel is the creator of all things as Jesus is Everything was created through him and for him and by him.  He existed before anything else, and he holds all creation together.
    The Son is an individualized portion of God who has attained a perfect oneness with God
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Micah Ong in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    Any Interlinear bible goes off the earliest manuscripts.  That's why the Kingdom Interlinear as used by Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't have it because if there was proof that it was in there then you would find it in the Kingdom Interlinear.
    There is a difference between making mistakes and manipulating quotes from research articles and also lying and plagiarism.
    The Watchtower quotes the Gazette for support that in 1914 War War 1 changed the world for the worse. Taken in context the article says something quite different.
    Between these carefully chosen comments and the ellipses the Gazette includes the following paragraph.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Micah Ong in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    @bruceq Yes I know but I feel this is a loving warning to present factual information regarding the information this Governing Body is presenting to you.  This is not a debate about words but merely showing you the deception that is taking place.  I only hope that you put your complete trust in God and not a group of men.  Especially when they say they things like this:
    At that time, the lifesaving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (w13 11/15 p.20)
    Have any of theirdates been correct!
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Micah Ong in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    All in all I don't think it matters because Jesus is not concerned with theology only love.  After all it was the theologians who killed Jesus(let's not be pedantic, we know he gave up his life but it was an act of execution on their part), who new God's name(YHWH). 
    On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. 
    "'Teacher," he asked, 'What must I do to inherit eternal life?' 
    "'What is written in the law?' he replied. 'How do you read it?' 
    "He answered: 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind, and, love your neighbor as yourself." 
    "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied, "Do this and you will live." (Luke 10:25-28)
    I'm not saying Theology or Theologians are bad as long as it's helping you are grow in love the way Jesus taught.  Being dogmatic seems to go against love from what I have experienced.  But there is nothing wrong with learning and being open minded as long as you don't miss the point of what Jesus said.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Micah Ong in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    It is what it is! @Anna.  What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?  You can't get away from that.  You can't add or take away from God's word no matter what your intention is.  It's his word!
    Deut 4:2 "You must not add to the word that I am commanding you, neither must you take away from it, so as to keep the commandments of Jehovah your God that I am commanding you."
    Deut 12:32 "Every word that I am commanding you is what you should be careful to do. You must not add to it nor take away from it."
    Rev 22:18,19 "“I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll.
    If God wanted YHWH there he would have made sure of it, like he did with the Hebrew Scriptures.  But he has reason for not using it.  Jesus is the saviour!  Acts 4:10-12
    Isaiah 43:11 "I-I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior."
    Titus 2:13-3:6 "manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus, However, when the kindness and the love for man on the part of our Savior, God, was manifested, This [spirit] he poured out richly upon us through Jesus Christ our Savior." (Note the New World Translation inclusion of [the] to change the meaning of this passage.)
    It is misrepresenting God if you add the name when it was not in the Christian Greek Scriptures because the New Testament clearly shows that Jesus is the new name under which people must get saved. 
    The Watchtower is deliberately misleading sincere honest hearted people.
    But we can be sure that God reads the heart and knows those who belong to him in all religions even though he does not have a religion. 
    As you are aware ALL religion will be done away with.
    I know how you feel as I would of defended the Watchtower in the past but the scriptures speak for themselves.  I would rather defend the scriptures than defend an organization.  And then encourage people to build up their faith and love built on truths found in the bible.  God blesses that!  Because then you can have a deeper relationship with him based on spirit and truth.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Micah Ong in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    @JW Insider I apologise for being blunt but I do think it is important for everyone to know how tainted the NWT is to suit doctrine which I think was clearly shown in that they took it upon themselves to insert Jehovah in the Christian Greek Scriptures under their own assumptions.  Therefore trust in the Governing Body is clearly misdirected and dangerous.  I just want to sound the warning.
    You are right in saying "it's a matter of what sort of persons ought we to be"
    Bible based principals are what shape us and coming to Jesus in spirit and 'truth' is part of our worship to the God of truth.
    Geofferr Jackson GB member admitted at the Royal Commission under oath, that it would be presumptuous to say they are being used by Jehovah, but that they are Guardians Of the Doctrine(G,O,D).  Not inspired by Holy Spirit presenting truths from the bible as they say they are in the publications.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Micah Ong in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    Yes it does matter @Arauna because God meant his word to be presented as he originally intended it.
    From 1385 A.D. onwards, the New Testament Greek manuscripts started to be translated into certain Hebrew versions with the inclusion of YHWH. It is essential to understand that these have no connection whatsoever with the Hebrew Scriptures or Old Testament manuscripts and were not translated until well over one thousand years after Jesus death.
    Jesus never quoted the Father as being Jehovah.  It was illegal to use the divine name and no one would of listened to him.
    Firstborn(Col 1:15) in the scriptures seems to indicate preeminent one(existing before all creation).  David is said to be the first born of Jesse even though he was the youngest.  And in Genesis Manasseh is said to be firstborn but then in Jer 31:9 Ephraim is called firstborn.  The reason of this is because he was to become Lord or Heir.  So in this sense we See that Jesus can aptly be called Lord of Creation.  This lines up with the rest of the scriptures.
    Rev 1:7,8 Jehovah as Alpha and Omega.  Remember though that earliest transcripts say Lord or kurios.  But this essentially means in the NWT no beginning and no end.  Jehovah has no beginning nor end right? 
    And now Jesus talking in Rev 1:17,18 "And he laid his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last, 18 and the living one, and I became dead, but look! I am living forever and ever..."  Jesus also has no beginning or end.
    Gen 18 talks about Jehovah walking on the earth in human form before he walked as Jesus born from Mary.  Not impossible for him to do so.  Abraham prepared and gave food to him(3 men altogether).  Chapter 19 verse one shows that the other two men were angels and had arrived in Sodom.
    John 8:58 Kingdom interlinear Before Abraham to become, I AM.  That our Lord by this expression asserted his divinity and eternal existence, as the great I AM, appears evident from the use of the present tense.
    Exodus 6:2,3 Then God said to Moses: “I am Jehovah. 3 And I used to appear to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but with regard to my name Jehovah I did not make myself known to them
    You say the Hebrew Scriptures are key to understanding the whole bible and this I do not deny. 
    Isaiah 43:10-13 is key and you know it very well: “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One.  Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.  11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”  12 “I am the One who declared and saved and made known
    When there was no foreign god among you.  So you are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “and I am God."
    First point regarding this passage is in Isaiah 62:2 He said they would be called by a new name talking about Zion/Jerusalem.  In Acts 11:19 here they are first called Christians.  Wouldn't you agree as Christs followers this would aptly be the new name.  Acts 1:8 "...and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem."  Witnesses of Jesus not Jehovah
    Secondly Isaiah says concerning Jehovah himslelf Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none.  If Jesus was created as a god as John 1:1 states then how can God form a god, when he said: there has been none but would of created him at the time of Abraham.  He wasn't talking about foreign gods or false gods.  Yes Satan is the god of this system but he is only a false god or counterfeit god.  There is only one true God!  Angels aren't gods like Michael.  Arch angel is just a chief angel.
    But If Jesus is God then John 1:1 now makes sense being only one God. Not two.  Emmanual means God is with us so God existing in a man harmonizes with that name as well.
    Acts 4:10-12 - Jesus name alone is the means of salvation.
    It isn't impossible for God to exist in a hyper-static state being the Father in Heaven and being in a limited form as a human.  Yes Jesus was still God but limited as a human.  He can be rightly called the Son because he was born from himself into human form so in that state he can be called Gods son, remember the Jews wanted to stone him because they thought he was saying he was equal to God. 
    We also exist in three states.  Body, Soul(Mind, Emotions), Spirit (energy life force) but God is more dynamic.  Quantum physics demonstrates the rule of entanglement where one particle is entangled with another particle along way away.  So even though we aren't familiar with all his ways Quantum Physics demonstrates hyper-static states in particles.
    What if, just what if Jesus is God!?  Then how much more amazing is the price he paid for us and the agony he went through for us because he love us.  It is mind blowing and so humbling and awe inspiring and feels me with more love and appreciation for him.  1 Tim 3:16
    I was a Jehovah's Witness and left last month and am astounded at what I am learning from the scriptures now.  I do not regret all the education I received as a JW because it helped me to have good study habits and have a good general knowledge of the scriptures.  But believe please believe me the bible does not belong to the Governing Body.  Jesus promised a helper in the Holy Spirit to help under stand the Holy Scriptures.  The scriptures tell us to get baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (not a spirit directed organization).  Please let scripture interpret scripture.
    There are 7 names for God in the bible.  The link below describes them well with scriptural reference.
    https://www.gotquestions.org/names-of-God.html
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Micah Ong in What gives them the right to insert YHWH so that the the scriptures are manipulated to suit the their doctrine?   
    @Arauna the point is that the Watchtower Organisation as changed the bible to fit doctrine. Rev 22:18 "I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll"
    Jehovah is not found in the New Testament!
    Evidence it did not Appear
    There is much evidence that YHWH never appeared in the New Testament. Most obvious is the absence of YHWH in any of the 5,000 discovered Greek New Testament manuscripts.
    Important evidence is also contained in the writings of the early Christians. These are referred to as the Apostolic Fathers and Ante Nicene Fathers who wrote from the times of the Apostles to the third century. This includes Polycarp, who studied with the Apostle John and Justin Martyr who lived from 110 to 165 A.D. Their extensive writings are a source of information on the early Church, including the formulation of the Trinity doctrine and the development of the Bible Canon. Yet in their writings there is no discussion about the removal of God's name from the Scriptures. If a global conspiracy existed to remove YHWH from the all New Testament manuscripts debate most certainly would have occurred between these writers.
    Furthermore, their works do not contain YHWH when quoting from New Testament Scriptures. For example, in Against Heresies, Irenaeus quotes Matthew 1:20; 4:10 and Romans 11:34, each time using the word Lord instead of Jehovah. Clement, mentioned at Philippians 4:3, wrote the Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians between 75 and 110 A.D. and used Kyrios when quoting from the Old Testament. (See 1 Clement 13:5 which quotes Ezekiel 33:11.)
    Justin Martyr converted to Christianity around 150 A.D., a mere 50 years after the Bible was completed. He had access to early copies of the New Testament yet in The Second Apology, Chapter VI he wrote;
    Justin Martyr shows that Christians referred to the Father by appellations, but not a name such as Jehovah.
    That the Holy Name was not being uttered in Jesus day is attested to by first century historian Josephus:
    As we do not have the actual original copies that the Bible writers penned it is always possible to say that YHWH may have appeared in the original copy. However the weight of evidence shows that YHWH was not in the original copies. If the Watchtower claims God allowed men to edit out his name "YHWH" and that no proof has been found to its existence to this day, how can a person have confidence in any of the New Testament?
    The New Testament is one of the most attested ancient documents. The reason a person places trust in it is their conviction that God ensured the Bible has come down to us accurately. If use of the name Jehovah is so important one must wonder why the word never appears in any existing New Testament documents. If God inspired and protected the Bible, keeping the Bible accurate throughout all history why does his name not appear in the oldest Greek manuscripts or in the very first Bible, the 5th century Latin Vulgate?
    Conclusion
    The Watchtower presents the following paradox; Jehovah has not been found in the New Testament because it has been tampered with, but the Bible has been inspired and accurately preserved by Jehovah.
    The divine name appears over nearly 7,000 times in the Old Testament. By Jesus time, it had been removed from most Old Testament translations yet Jesus never mentioned or criticised the removal. As this indicates that Jesus did not feel this was an important omission whether Jehovah appears in modern translations of the Old Testament is up to the discretion of the translation. On the other hand, as Jehovah does not appear in the New Testament it so should not be added to by translations such as the NWT.
    As Jehovah was not used in the New Testament, use of the word Jehovah cannot be a necessary requirement for salvation. Rather, the New Testament shows that Jesus is the name through which salvation comes. Jesus words show that God is to be addressed as Lord or Father.
    By the time of Jesus, YHWH was not in regular use. The divine name does not appear in any known manuscripts of the New Testament, indicating that Jesus kept to the tradition and law on not using the Divine Name. To include Jehovah in the New Testament the Watchtower Society has taken liberties with God's Word. An assumption has been made in order to give weight to Watchtower doctrine. The effect is an inaccurate understanding of what Jesus taught. It affects a Jehovah's Witness ability to reason correctly on subjects such as the Trinity and to understand what the Bible says as to Jesus' role in salvation.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to TrueTomHarley in Russian JW's Begin to Remove Kingdom Halls Signs   
    He got a package deal. They were a weakness all lumped in together. He didn't weep bitterly after each one and then do it again.  He wept when the entire course hit him.
     
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to James Thomas Rook Jr. in Attention!!!, Russia seeks to remove the children from Jehovah's Witnesses ???   
    Sylvia, Sylvia.... Sylvia ...
    ...sigh .....
    Russia is a sovereign nation ... they have any rights they want ... any rights at all!  
    Any rights they assign themselves  .... and give themselves .... and ARE ABLE TO ENFORCE. 
    The old adage "You have your rights and I have my bayonets" is the rule here.
    Policy has absolutely NOTHING to do with what is right or what is wrong, except on very, very rare occasions.
    They have the advantage ... they have the enforceable power to declare and enforce what they SAY is "Right".
    Nobody believes it ... except those who do not want to be ground up. People will bend their minds into a pretzel to survive ....
    They self appoint themselves through political machinations, and propaganda, drilled into people's minds from infancy, and have any rights, interpreted any way they want ... THEY HAVE THE PROPAGANDA MACHINE FINELY TUNED, AND THEY HAVE THE BAYONETS..
    In Russia's case, the bayonets are literal .... the best we have been able to manage is extreme shunning and tearing families apart to enforce policy.
    In the adage I quoted above there is more ... "You have your rights and I have my bayonets --- Let's see who wins!"
    Perhaps Jehovah is preparing to chastise us for our cruelties, the same way he chastised his Name People back in ancient times ... with the Babylonian Army.
    In about five years .... we will all know.
     
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to JW Insider in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    @Witness Thanks for responding. Too much to respond to right now, but I never had the impression that many who claim to be of the anointed have concerns about doctrinal differences anyway. There are often quirky persons among them, but in my experience, they seem to be quite loyal to the GB, and among the GB themselves, they seem quite loyal to the existing doctrines.
    Wasn't GB member Martin Poetzinger a person who had gone through Nazi persecution? He never spoke much when I was at Bethel, even though he was on the Governing Body, so I never heard him tell his own experiences, but I understand he spent a total of 8 or 9 years in concentration camps.
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    Srecko Sostar reacted to Witness in Why doesn't the Society translate and provide the Russian Court Transcripts for us?   
    I don’t know what the person you mention thought he would accomplish by going back into the organization, or even how he thought he could get reinstated if not through some sort of deception.  Jesus predicted we would be “thrown out of the synagogues/”congregations” by those who believe they are serving God in doing so.  Acts 9:20; 2 Cor 4:5; 1 Cor 1:22,23; Matt 10:17,18; John 16:2; Rev 13:15,16
    During an anointing the “token” of holy Spirit is put into one’s heart, which allows them to see truth. 2 Cor 1:21,22 1 Cor 13:9,10  Individually; yet, as a collective Body, Holy Spirit avails knowledge more abundantly through all. 2 Cor 3:4,5; 1 Cor 6:19; 12:22 We will see this in completeness when the gathering of the Bride/the Temple is finished. It cannot be comprehend it in the organization, since they are told to remain separate from one another, not even to study the Bible together.  Surely, that should make one question why this is so, especially since an elder body works together freely.  God’s anointed ones are “scattered” in this way deliberately by Satan, since he knows the power of the holy ones; he knows that it is through their connection with Christ, that he will be destroyed.  Rev 12:7-9  Everything he can do to keep them apart, quiet and in submission to the GB and elders, buys him time. 
    But why the organization.
    During this time of the end, Satan must make the deflecting offer from following Christ completely (not through a person or an organization John 4:21-24) as enticing as possible, well-cloaked as “truth”, “different” than any deceitful tactic he has ever used against God’s people.  Dan 7:23; 2 Pet 2:1-3 He baits with basic pure truth, which the organization initially offers. Rev 8:10,11 God allows it; he allows Satan to do this, but he has given us its identity in Revelation and through many scriptures, if we seek out its understanding.   The prophetic words of Jesus, the earlier prophets, and the apostles can help discern the trap.   The organization, as beautiful and as enticing as it may seem, is very close to bringing the power of the holy ones to nothing. Dan 12:7   It has been a gradual process that is reaching a climax.  The anointed remnant faces the most powerful deceitful foe to come upon any anointed one since Christ; because from them, the remaining ‘living stones’ of the Temple will be set in place as the capstone. Zech 4:7,6; 1 Cor 1:28,29  The Kingdom arrives once that is accomplished.  Their test is unique as they face the fourth beast of Daniel and Revelation’s two Beasts. 
    God never creates the deception; Satan does.  God never does the destroying, it is all from Satan and those who sell off their “inheritance”.   1 Pet 5:8; 2 Cor 2:11; Rev 12:7,15, 17; 1 Tim 4:1; Matt 24:4,5; 24,25; Heb 12:14-16
    While the Watchtower focuses on the world’s literal signs as fulfillment of the end, very few notice the symbolic signs that are affecting God’s authentic priesthood.  Very few see that the “Gentile” elder body should not “represent” the “royal priesthood”.  Matt 24:15; Rev 11:1-3; Ezek 44:6-9  Very few can discern that the individual sacrifices of praise in various gifts and forms of the anointed ones, have been extinguished by a “wicked slave” and its own “Body of elders”; because what the physical eye takes in, is so much grander in scope than the symbolic spiritual signs. Matt 16:2,3 This is Satan’s excelling accomplishment, to create the delusion using his worldly power; because as he said to Christ, all that is in the world “has been delivered to me”. Luke 4:6,7  He has produced a successful counterfeit, bringing literal meaning to Jesus’ words in Matt 24, including a physical earthly organization called “Zion”.
    Jesus’ own tests and trials, which were put on him by Satan, were conquered through his obedience to God, resulting in his perfect holiness. All authority, both in heaven and on earth, has now been given to him. Matt 28:18  This ignites the battle between Christ and his Truth, Satan and his lies.   His priests (Is1 a 43:10; Pet 2:5,9,10) must imitate his obedience in order to also receive their “kingly” authority.  They must become just like Christ, worthy to be his Bride, and to see God.  They must sacrifice their lives under the “New Covenant” promise of life, bringing life to the rest of God’s children through the Kingdom covenant. Rev 12:11 Through the Wt’s condemnation that one who speaks in Jesus’ name is considered spiritually “dead”, the anointed and many others, lose their “life” they had previously known in the organization, to gain eternal life in Christ.  Heb 13:10-16; John 15:20,21; Luke 9:24; 17:33
    Heb 5:8,9 – “though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered. 9 Having been made perfect, he became to all of those who obey him the author of eternal salvation”
    Heb 4:15 - For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who has been tempted in every way as we are, yet without sin.
     Phil 2:8 “he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death -- even to death on a cross.”
    Although we know how the apostles suffered for their steadfast faith, never have we seen any anointed leader in the organization suffer as Christ did.  It should make one sit up and take notice. They appear to be immune from suffering for Christ’s sake; the reason is clear through the scriptures.  Rev 13:11,12; 2 Cor 11:12-15
     The organization teaches it is the only way to achieve spiritual security, which produces a state of sleepiness among the “virgins”, just one of Jesus’ parables that can be applied to the climate the anointed and JWs live under in the organization.  Matt 25:6-13; 22:8-10
    “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ: To the twelve tribes dispersed abroad. Greetings. 2 Consider it a great joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you experience various trials, because you know that the testing of your faith produces endurance. 4 And let endurance have its full effect, so that you may be mature and complete, lacking nothing.
    We are all having our faith tested, we are all being judged for our desire to either follow a delusion or the pureness of God’s Word in Christ. To reach the latter, we turn completely toward God during the end times by walking away from symbolic “Babylon”, the covenant/promise of death.  Isa 28:1-22
    2 Thess Chapter 2:
    Now, brothers, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to him, we ask you  not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ had come. (“God’s Kingdom Rules” – 1914)
    Let no one deceive you in any way. For it will not be, unless the departure comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. 1 Pet 2:5,9,10; 1 Cor 3:16,17; Eph 2:20-22     (“Representing the royal priesthood” are the elders, “standing in the “holy place” – Matt 24:15; 1 Cor 3:16,17; 2 Cor 6:16)
    Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and destroy by the manifestation of his coming; (John 20:22; Rev 11:1-3,6,7,18)  even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, (Rev 13:13) and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn’t receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.  Because of this, God sends (Luke 22:31) them a working of error, that they should believe a lie;  that they all might be judged who didn’t believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 
    The Watchtower says that Armageddon is looming, giving their interpretation of the Beasts in Revelation.  Yet, nothing in that realm of vision has attacked the “holy ones”/saints” or surrounded them, except the Watchtower.  They twist the abomination of Matt 24:15 to be “a” holy place in Christendom.  The literal fulfillment of this scripture concerned Jerusalem.  Today, it is spiritual “Jerusalem” that is under attack.  Rom 2:28,29
    It is all there, to the extreme.
    Delusion – that God says we need an earthly organization even though his Son said nowhere physically are we to worship, except in spirit and truth. John 4:24; Rev 13:11,12,14
    False prophesy – too many to mention.
    False directives – the GB has already admitted to this.
    Abusive and lying leadership – “But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers (Elder Body) of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great (GB) exercise authority over them.  Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”  Matt 20:25-28
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    Srecko Sostar got a reaction from Arauna in Russian JW's Begin to Remove Kingdom Halls Signs   
    If somebody today made a "sin" and after that come to the state of repentance and god forgive him,  he is free from that sin.
    If tomorrow he made new"sin" of same kind or another kind and after that come to the state of repentance and god forgive him,  he is free from that sin.
    Answer Yes or No have to  come from Above not from me  :)))))))))) please read Bible more frequently and mediate, it will be helpful... maybe. :))))))))   
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