Srecko Sostar

The organization has a record…
·       of false teachings
·       of child abuse
·       of spousal abuse
·       of disfellowshipping
·       of shunning
·       of breaking up families
·       of “trampling” down the anointed priesthood to allow a counterfeit priesthood to be honored. (Matt 24:15,16; 2 Thess 2:3,4; Rev 11:1-2) 
In such an environment of all-inclusive abuse, where is the love?  There is none. Each bullet point is a practice of lawlessness.  Jesus fulfilled the law in love. (Rom 13:8-10) Every one of God's  commandments are fulfilled in love. (Rom 13:8-10) Then the Wt arrives, creating a different set of laws.  Do JWs love their neighbors as themselves? They easily shun their neighbors when men wielding authority over them, tell them they must.  Half of the time they don’t even know why they must shun their neighbor.  The just do it, out of subjection to men.  (Isa 2:22; Col 2:20-22) How many times has the guilty been considered the innocent ones in cases of abuse?  How many times are the women disfellowshipped while their elder husbands remain in good standing, when it was the elder who was guilty of adultery?  (Prov 24:24-25; 29:7; Isa 1:17)
 JWs’ leaders have rejected the words of Jesus by replacing them with their own - the doctrine of men. Yes!  You can’t say you follow the doctrine of Jesus Christ and mix it with your own! (Deut 4:2; Gal 1:8)  There is only one way, and one truth.  (John 14:6) It doesn’t include the laws/doctrine of men.  Why do JWs exalt uninspired men and their word, over the words of God and Jesus Christ?  WHERE has that been condoned in the word of God?
And no, simply because of this situation, dear Pudgy, the Wt will not thrive. Instead...expect the least expected, in the opposite way that you may be entertaining by your example of “chapter 3”.   God will not mold the organization according to His ways.  He will not mold people who don’t care to serve Him in love.  He turns only to the hearts who call out for justice and mercy.  (2 Chron 16:9;Prov 28:5; Ps 37:27-29; Isa 51:4-5;Heb 10:30)
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’  Matt 7:21-23 
This man’s story linked is widely available now.  Every JW should listen to it, and if they have genuine love in their heart, they will be moved to question their organization’s teachings.  They may even be moved to ask God why their organization does not practice love. (Rev 18:4-8)
For a certain, I will be told I am "malignant", stupid, crazy, demonic, etc., etc.; yet I will be upholding the Word of God and not Wt. doctrine.  Jesus upheld God's word, and for that he was told he had lost his mind, and he had a demon. Interesting, isn't it, how history repeats itself?   He was killed by his people.  For those of us who leave the organization and uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ, we experience the same shunning, and are given the same labels as he received. We lose loved ones, just as he predicted. (Mark 10:28-30) These people who reject false teachings, are "killed" by their own people through disfellowshipping.  (John 16:2; Rev 13:15) 
“They bend their tongues like their bows;
Lies and not truth prevail in the land;
For they proceed from evil to evil,
And they do not know Me,” declares the Lord.
4 “Let everyone be on guard against his neighbor,
And do not trust any brother;
Because every brother utterly betrays,
And every neighbor goes about as a slanderer.
5 Everyone deceives his neighbor
And does not speak the truth.
They have taught their tongue to speak lies;
They weary themselves committing wrongdoing.
6 Your dwelling is in the midst of deceit;
Through deceit they refuse to know Me,” declares the Lord.  Jer 9:3-6
"So, let us go out to Him outside the camp, bearing His reproach. For here we do not have a lasting city, but we are seeking the city which is to come."  Heb 13:13,14
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I would like to know if somewhere JFR claimed to be "spirit-led", in the sense that today's GB explains the term "spirit-led"?

Of course the foundation is Christ, but that belief system will never establish itself within the organization.  
“Like those in Christendom, the early Bible Students mistakenly allowed their love for Jesus to overshadow their relationship with Jehovah. Beginning in 1919, however, they came to see that Jehovah and their relationship with him should be the focus of their worship. We can be thankful that we understand that our affection for Jesus is key to having a relationship with Jehovah. We must attach neither too much nor too little importance to our love for Jesus.—John 16:27.   W 4/2022 study article #17
This sounds to me that Wt’s “foundation in Christ” is on shaky ground.  It must be that way, because the teachings of men will always take precedence. 
The definition of love for Christ in the paragraph, is a teaching of men, and not of God.  Love for either the Father or the Son cannot be gauged by the Wt.  (Matt 15:9) But the leadership will continue to manage another's faith; and in that way, their organization will never allow a foundation in Christ to develop within one's heart.  
 “The one who has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. And the one who loves me will be loved by my Father. I also will love him and will reveal myself to him.”  John 14:21
Did the apostles feel the need to constrain themselves when expressing their love for Jesus? 
“For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15 and He died for all, so that those who live would no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose on their behalf.” 2 Cor 5:14,15
Since your leaders deem it necessary to reach out and control one’s love for Jesus Christ, who is it that has no love for him?   Who loves their organization more than Jesus Christ?
 
 
 
 

Sir, clutching at straws is when your leaders pull up the names and select actions of past leaders. Isn’t that what the Warwick Museum has accomplished? Do your leaders not “live in the past” by devoting an entire museum to their history?  Today’s leaders highlight only what present JWs are allowed to know about them; defending what seems harmless, and ignoring the damage they caused to the people who listened to them when they led them astray with false doctrines.  THAT is a sad life, when the organization’s history has to be strained of all embarrassment to make it palatable. 
If one truly  reads the Bible, would they come to the conclusion that God dismisses false doctrines? (Dan 9:11-14)  Or, would they realize that God does not tolerate His people to create illusions and false teachings…and along with these wayward ideas, then say these people represent the true God?  (Deut 18:20-22)
“Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.
Therefore this is what the LORD says about the prophets who are prophesying in my name: I did not send them, yet they are saying, ‘No sword or famine will touch this land.’ Those same prophets will perish by sword and famine.”  Jer 14:14,15; Rev 6:7,8; 1 Thess 5:3
 
 
 
 
 

This is interesting even though i have no idea who the 'Standfasters' were.  Interesting because JWs here seem to think that the Watchtower leaders were the first to teach many things, because (they say) the W/t leaders are guided by God's Holy spirit. 
It would be nice to know of any other spiritual things that the Watchtower leaders / JW leaders coppied from others. 

I referred to the teachings of "anointed ones in particular".
"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world."  1 John 4:1
If the teachings of the GB were from God, they would remain - last - not die out.  A faithful slave of Christ would not provide a dish of food that would be found rotten within  5 years, one year, or within months.   False prophets are recognized by their inability to produce fruit that endures the test of time.
" You didn’t choose me, but I chose you. I have appointed you to go, to produce fruit that will last, and to ask the Father in my name to give you whatever you ask for."  John 15:16
Who appointed the GB as the F&D slave?  They appointed themselves, out of necessity.  They needed full control of the food produced, full control over the lives of everyone in your organization; in particular, the anointed. (Matt 24:48-51) "Food" comes from the "helpers" they have chosen - those of the elder body.  Through the restriction of the spiritual lifeline of teachings; written by those not anointed and approved by only 8 men, they have funneled down to JWs, what the scriptures call "vomit".  (Isa 28:7-10)
This is why people leave.  They are literally "fed up" with being served food that they have "bought" with their service and dedication, only to be disappointed in its rottenness.  They recognize that their spiritual health has deteriorated on a diet of vomit.   Matt 7:15-20; Rev 13:15-17
 
 
 
 
 

All schools in the United States are “no gun zones“, and that’s why responsible people are not allowed to defend themselves when some crazy comes to school and starts shooting the place up.
 
I would comfort the parents by saying it Is not God that is responsible for the evil in the world, but locally it’s the insane legislature that has no concept of reality, and the insane Shooters.

I hit a raw nerve.  Was it the video, the mention of the Flock book, or was it the scripture? 
Why do I need a closed club when I can speak here in the open?  You know, I have never added caustic adjectives to your name that I can remember.  Once out of frustration, I said you were blind, but then removed it. (although truly, you are spiritually blind - 2 Cor 4:1-6)  You love to address individuals, who cannot accept your leaders…and give you valid reasons why… with unique descriptions, in the same way your leaders address apostates as “despicable”.  I can’t imagine how colorful your language must get in your closed group. 
I don’t need JWs to give meaning to my life.  But what you need, what all JWs need, is scriptural truth to give meaning to yours.
Rev 18:4-8
 
 
 

Today is a day for jokes?
:))

Agree. It started with Adam and Eve, didn't it?

I'll examine this comment. 
Quote "yes i am very negitive to wards the opposers of the true god Jehovah"
The true God is YHWH, the God of the bible. And God's son is Yeshua. I love both YHWH and Yeshua and i would never oppose either of them. 
But your 'god' is your GB and the JW Org. And yes i oppose the GB that you serve and worship. 
The Bible does not offer direction through your GB, and it is probable that those men may be removed from their positions.  Psalm 146 : 3 Berean Study Bible
"Put not your trust in princes, in mortal man, who cannot save."
As my title suggests I am Patiently waiting for Truth, Romans 8 : 25  Berean Study Bible
"But if we hope for what we do not yet see, we wait for it patiently."
Now as for you having truth ? Tell me is it this week's 'truth' you have, and next week it will be a different 'truth'. When you GB suddenly get their 'new light' then it will be a different 'truth' again. No, you do not have any truth, but you do have deceit. 
Now back to the beginning of your comment. 
Quote "we dont feel sorry for your twisted reasoning"  Tell me, who is twisted, the one that tries to reveal truth about the Child Sexual Abuse in the JW Org, or the one that tries to hide those Pedophiles in the JW org ?  
Maybe you should think about all those children that have suffered earthwide at the hands of Elders, M/s, and others in your Org that you worship. And maybe you should think about all the adults that have suffered at the hands of Elders because those adults have wanted mercy and justice. 

A somewhat childish way of proving that one side is right and the other wrong. Such a comment has no value in proving where the truth might be, but only accuses the other person of some kind of hostility towards JWs.
Mutual accusations and naming are unnecessary. If anything needs to be blamed, then it is patterns of behavior and belief in doctrines that we feel are bad.
Most people are victims of manipulators. Victims should not be blamed. A small number of those who are the bearers and main promoters of religious delusions should certainly be named, in general or individually.
Barbara Anderson has gone through one phase of her life, now she is in another. Maybe some of you know her better. I know her only through the texts she publishes.

If the figures on the age of the universe and the events in it are not accurate, because some say that the figures on the age of events on Earth are not accurate, it would mean that science cannot reliably claim or assume anything.
This means that even WTJWorg cannot rely reliably on scientific methods, not only when it comes to astronomy and space but also medicine and other scientific disciplines, then it is really ironic that WTJWorg literature deals with topics covered by scientists and that they publishes together with the religious content of his journals, giving them this or that conclusion.
Scientists have telescopes, these on Earth and those that travel through space, and they say that they are watching this or that (star explosion, merging galaxies and everything else), and that what they see now actually happened many millions of years ago. If the figures on the age of the Earth are not accurate, as you claim, then neither these figures on the age of the universe are reliable or accurate, because they come from “science”.
If, on the other hand, it is true that scientists see the current, present event (star explosions and galaxy mergers, etc.) through a telescope, then I would be interested to know what these events represent? That God continues to create the universe ... or to destroy it,..... or that he has long ago started processes unknown to us in other parts of the universe in which there is nothing but raw mass and energy?

If the figures on the age of the universe and the events in it are not accurate, because some say that the figures on the age of events on Earth are not accurate, it would mean that science cannot reliably claim or assume anything.
This means that even WTJWorg cannot rely reliably on scientific methods, not only when it comes to astronomy and space but also medicine and other scientific disciplines, then it is really ironic that WTJWorg literature deals with topics covered by scientists and that they publishes together with the religious content of his journals, giving them this or that conclusion.
Scientists have telescopes, these on Earth and those that travel through space, and they say that they are watching this or that (star explosion, merging galaxies and everything else), and that what they see now actually happened many millions of years ago. If the figures on the age of the Earth are not accurate, as you claim, then neither these figures on the age of the universe are reliable or accurate, because they come from “science”.
If, on the other hand, it is true that scientists see the current, present event (star explosions and galaxy mergers, etc.) through a telescope, then I would be interested to know what these events represent? That God continues to create the universe ... or to destroy it,..... or that he has long ago started processes unknown to us in other parts of the universe in which there is nothing but raw mass and energy?

This seems to be fragmented thoughts from different puzzles. Can you explain it in a cohesive linear way?

I would never try to escape that fact.  I am very grateful that God sent His messenger to explain the deceit used against His people.  I am grateful that I had the courage to stand up against lies, even though this meant a disfellowshipping, and joined this messenger in support of the truth in Jesus Christ.  Hab 2:1; Mal 3:1-4; Matt 17:11; Rev 11:1-3

I'm so far behind the times i'd never even heard of this.  And no i am not a member. 
https://saysorry.org/about/
SAYSORRY.ORG
About
‘Say Sorry’ exposes and holds accountable the Watch Tower Society and those leaders within the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization that disregard and violate the laws of the land, or that cause religious harm to sections of the community.
Accountability and change has been achieved by the Say Sorry Team through a range of activities including: awareness, education, campaigns, public speaking, conferences, submissions to parliamentary inquiries, assisting with the Australian Child Abuse Royal Commission, working with governmental and statutory authorities, advising law enforcement agencies, lobbying, legal action, and prosecutions.
For the past 12 years the team behind ‘Say Sorry’ have provided up-to-date factual and unique content to international law enforcement agencies, government departments, politicians, inquiries, royal commissions, law firms, and the media. We also provide non-legal advice for investigations, civil lawsuits, and prosecutions involving the Watch Tower Society and the Church of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The ‘Say Sorry’ website was re-launched on 26 July 2018 to highlight our current work and to provide an information and news platform for those concerned about the activities of the Watch Tower Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses. The sole owner and administrator of the website is Steven Unthank.
About
‘Say Sorry’ exposes and holds accountable the Watch Tower Society and those leaders within the Jehovah’s Witnesses organization that disregard and violate the laws of the land, or that cause religious harm to sections of the community.
Accountability and change has been achieved by the Say Sorry Team through a range of activities including: awareness, education, campaigns, public speaking, conferences, submissions to parliamentary inquiries, assisting with the Australian Child Abuse Royal Commission, working with governmental and statutory authorities, advising law enforcement agencies, lobbying, legal action, and prosecutions.
For the past 12 years the team behind ‘Say Sorry’ have provided up-to-date factual and unique content to international law enforcement agencies, government departments, politicians, inquiries, royal commissions, law firms, and the media. We also provide non-legal advice for investigations, civil lawsuits, and prosecutions involving the Watch Tower Society and the Church of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The ‘Say Sorry’ website was re-launched on 26 July 2018 to highlight our current work and to provide an information and news platform for those concerned about the activities of the Watch Tower Society and Jehovah’s Witnesses. The sole owner and administrator of the website is Steven Unthank.
The Australian Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse stated in its Final Report, published in December 2017, that the Jehovah’s Witnesses in Australia had a reported 1,800 child sexual abuse victim files[1] within a membership of 68,000. By contrast, the Catholic Church in Australia had a reported 4,444 child sexual abuse victim files[2] within a membership of 5.3 million.
The British Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse stated in its Truth Project Thematic report (May 2019) on page 25 that “out of the sample of 1,697 participants, 133 reported that sexual abuse took place within a religious institution. In these cases, Church of England (28%) and Catholic institutions (25%) were most commonly cited, with Jehovah’s Witnesses (11%) the third most frequent.”[3]
It is also our hope that one day the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses will “say sorry” by acknowledge their errors and by adopting a culture of acting lawfully, ethically and in a socially responsible manner.
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Say Sorry wins long running courtroom battle against a ‘prolific’ and ‘unrelenting’ stalker
This was the heading of an email i received from Watchtower Documents ths morning. 
I have not reaserched this organisation and as such I am not promoting it, just putting it up here as information. 

In case anybody here does not know, there is an incredibly funny video  parody  about Jehovah’s Witnesses on YouTube, probably seen by millions of people
by now. Involves an imaginary town called DUBTOWN where only Jehovah’s Witnesses live there, ( where EVERYTHING is made from Legos …) and it is a parody, a satire and it’s very humorous. It has many parodies, like Melkezidec’s (sp?) resurrection, and he is invited to a party, and finds out it’s called a  “gathering”. 

The creator of this many season and episode series goes by Kevin McFree, not his real name, and the WTB&TS has had YouTube and Kevin in court for several years, trying to find out his real name with no success.
Here is the latest news on that!  …..
 

Aside from a comment made under a video saying individuals in Bethel are “planning” to take down the GB, what I’m referring to specifically, was stated directly from an elder. That’s all I am able to tell you. 
 
Scripture interprets scripture. Watchtower does not use scripture in identifying the two Beasts of Revelation (one being a false prophet/harlot, Rev 13:11,12)  They use their own ideas and always have, the very definition of eisegesis.  For example, regarding the "king of the north", whatever suits their situation at the time, it somehow takes on a new identity.
The Harlot exercises authority over, or “rides” the Beast/organization. (Rev 13:12; 17:3) Why would this Harlot represent the religions of the world including Christendom, when they were never under covenant with God? If the world’s religions (the Wt. focuses on Christendom) are the Harlot of Revelation, what were they before becoming one? Do you really believe that everyone in another religion can be labeled as "harlots" - people who love God and Jesus Christ?   Israel was labeled a harlot when it withdrew from God’s commands, breaking its covenant, sinning and committing idolatry. (Jer 2:11,20; 13:27; Hos 4:15; Ps 106:39)
By using scripture to interpret Revelation, Jesus’ message is to his people under covenant, the anointed, who are committing idolatry as members of the organization, that they must dedicate their lives to. (Rev 3:18-22; 13:16,17;18:4-8)  
Have you ever noticed that the “kings of the earth” are found in opposition of each other in Revelation?  (Rev 19:19;16:14;13:5-7) Have you recognized that all of these “kings” belong to Jesus Christ? (Rev 1:5)  In the Kingdom, will the “kings of the earth” serving in the Temple of God, be political rulers, or instead would they be the faithful “kings” who spoke the truth in Christ, fighting against the wayward “kings”, who broke their covenant to serve an idol – the Beast of Rev. 13:1?  (Rev 21:24; 5:9,10)
The composite Harlot is a Beast from the earth, “kings” and leadership of “Israel”. (Rom 2:28,29; Gal 3:29 Rev 13:11,12)  They are included as the “heads” of the organization, the Beast from the Sea which they direct, which by they way, "makes war with the saints". (Rev 13:1,2, 5-7)
The Harlot will be removed by the organization of elders, and other anointed (ten kings) joining them. (Rev 17:15-17) From there, they will try to reorganize the Wt, but this "man of lawlessness" will last only for one symbolic "hour".  (Rev 17:12; 13:18; 2 Thess 2:3,4,8,9)
The Harlot "woman" reigns over the "kings of the earth" - Christ's kings.  Rev 17:18; 1:5 
 

This process has been going on for decades. Every new "refining", "clarification" and "new light" is, essentially, a proclamation that previous JW scholars have spoken / written nonsense, stupidity.
What do you mean?

Didn't they do that the moment they declared themselves responsible for the FDS service?
Didn't they do that when they warned the flock that they must be ready to obey every instruction from GB, no matter how unreasonable it seemed?
Didn't they do that when they said that God and Jesus showed complete confidence in them and that JW members should have such an attitude towards GB, too?

"They will be traitors.  They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.
As Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men oppose the truth. Their minds are corrupt, and the faith they teach is counterfeit. 9 Certainly, they won’t get very far. Like the stupidity of Jannes and Jambres, their stupidity will be plain to everyone."  2 Tim 3:4,5,8,9
The organization itself will reveal the GB's stupidity, and  "her" sins.  
The angel also said to me, “The waters you saw, on which the prostitute (GB) is sitting, are people, crowds, nations, and languages. (All JWs)  16 The ten horns (anointed inside, the "kings of the earth" Dan 7:24; Rev 17:12;Rev 1:5) and the beast (organization) you saw will hate the prostitute. They will leave her abandoned and naked. They will eat her flesh and burn her up in a fire. 17 God has made them do what he wants them to do. So they will give their kingdom to the beast until God’s words are carried out. 18 The woman you saw is the important city which dominates the kings of the earth.”  Rev 17:15-18
There are already movements by elders, to remove the GB.  
 
 
 
 

Watchtower 2017, Feb. p. 26  "Who is Leading God's People Today?"
We can also remember the Governing Body by following its instructions and direction. The Governing Body gives us direction through our publications, meetings, assemblies, and conventions. It also appoints circuit overseers, who then appoint elders. By carefully following the directions given to them, the circuit overseers and the elders show that they remember the Governing Body. And all of us show respect for our Leader, Jesus, by obeying the men he is using today.—Hebrews 13:17.
18 Another way that we can remember the Governing Body is by doing our best in the preaching work. Hebrews 13:7 urges Christians to imitate the faith of those taking the lead. The Governing Body has shown great faith by zealously preaching and promoting the good news. Are we supporting those brothers in this important work? If we are, we will feel happy when we hear Jesus tell us: “To the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.”—Matthew 25:34-40.
This is so ludicrous.  Where does the GB get their directions, if they are not inspired by Holy Spirit?  Isn't it interesting that the quote says to obey the GB, but show respect to Jesus.  It should be the other way around - obey Jesus and his words, and if these men are doing the same, we can then show them respect.  But as you pointed out, it is the GB's direction that must be upheld; and that, above any direction Jesus has already given us.  It is amazing to me that their words carry more weight in the minds of JWs, than those of Jesus Christ.  But it is planned it that way, they have blatantly compared themselves to the apostles.  Instead, they are the false ones that the apostle Paul and Jesus warned us about - 2 Cor 11:12-15
Jesus' words in Rev 2:2 - "I know what you have done—how hard you have worked and how you have endured. I also know that you cannot tolerate wicked people. You have tested those who call themselves apostles but are not apostles. You have discovered that they are liars."
1 John 4:1 - Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to determine if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
If JWs were obeying the words of Jesus, they would do what both he and the apostle John told us to do, that is to test what these men claim to be, by examining the "fruits"/teachings that they offer.  Matt 7:15-20   They would discover that they are liars.  
And the "least of these my brothers"?  The least of Christ's brothers are being held captive by the power these men have wielded over them. (Matt 24:48-51; Col 2:8; Rev 13:10,15)  The GB are the "great ones" of Mark 10:42-45 that Jesus warned his disciples not to imitate.  
 

Didn't they do that the moment they declared themselves responsible for the FDS service?
Didn't they do that when they warned the flock that they must be ready to obey every instruction from GB, no matter how unreasonable it seemed?
Didn't they do that when they said that God and Jesus showed complete confidence in them and that JW members should have such an attitude towards GB, too?

From the event related to Moses (and not only him), one could conclude differently. Just before entering the Promised Land, Moses ignored the instruction he received from God (concerning water for a thirsty people). The "punishment" was swift and irreversible.
The duty and privilege of leading the people to enter the Promised Land has been delegated to new people, Joshua and Caleb and others.